A New Standard of Deception

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A New Standard of DeceptionIn an information-packed presentation of 58 minutes Kevin Ryan delivers a damning indictment of the official investigations of the total collapses of the Twin Towers and Building 7. Ryan's solid scholarship and application of the scientific method stands in stark contrast to the official investigations, whose dishonesty and corrupt anti-scientific methods Ryan exposes in abundance.

Ryan explains details of the investigation by the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) not acknowledged by the Institute, such as its failure to experimentally verify the floor pancake theory, forcing it to invent a new theory about the Towers' collapse. Ryan notes commonalities in the WTC investigations by NIST and FEMA, and the investigation of the 1995 Oklahoma City Building, such as a high degree of overlap in the leaders of the respective investigations.

Ryan unquestionably qualifies as a whistleblower. Having been promoted to the top manager of Underwriter's Laboratories water testing division, Ryan was dismissed on November of 2004 after an e-mail from him to Dr Frank Gayle of NIST questioning the collapse of the twin towers became public.

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  • http://www.vitaloverdose.com Vitaloverdose

    Some guy stood in front of a projector/whiteboard is not a documentary. Its just dull.

  • http://www.youtube.com/vasyvic Vic

    Excellent documentary and Kevin Ryan is a brave patriot for truth! It's not about special effects. That's not the measure of a good documentary. It's about verifiable and unverifiable evidence! Citizen Ryan is a great whistle-blower! Thanks for providing this! TruthTroubadour on twitter

  • Simon

    I'd have to agree with Vitaloverdose. It isn't really a documentary, but it does show a lot of questions that the american government should have answered by now, just to stop people asking them.

  • Robyn

    This is an exellent video. What are the odds that all three World Trade Buildings would have imploded and collapsed entirely on their foundations from being hit near their top by an airliner,(especially with that interior superstrong core)? I would think the part above the plane crash would have eventually toppled and slid off of the part below the plane crash leaving most of the building intact.

  • joe

    thank you kevin ryan for standing up,there are those who want to pull us into there world of terror,,and to munipulate us against truth,for there own agenda,I cant help remembering those who had to jump to there deaths and we should all stand up for them because they are us,as a nation we should make a citizen arrest for all those connected in this cover up,how mant young sons and daughters sign up for the military when it was fist believe this was a pure terroist attach and abused the trust and loyalty of it citizens.it was a terrorist attach but who is the real terrorst behind this,this is a government by the people for the people,not special interest,people need to activelly stand up demand a outside investigation with experts and find out why there is a gross cover up,even if exsplosives were used ,that is advance know or a set up and very diabolic attaxh adainst us.

  • 420NZ

    wakey wakey, America...

  • Outside The Wall

    Law Of Nature:

    It cannot be violated, nor changed, nor does it need enforcement.

    thanks to those who make this library of Docs availble.

    Peace

  • http://thechinadesk.blogspot.com/ Bevin

    Super video!

    Reynolds simply tells it like it is. No need for hysterics. The facts speak for themselves.

    Simply irrefutable.

  • http://thechinadesk.blogspot.com/ Bevin

    Errata:

    Ryan, not Reynolds.

  • Abamovich

    OK, I think we've established this stuff long ago. Now what are we going to actually do about it, focus on that front would be more productive.

  • who_me_yeah_you

    @Vitaloverdose (more like lethaloverdose IMO)

    I get the feeling that anything involving paying attention and learning is difficult for you. (that is of course unless you have found a new definition of documentary that I am unaware of). That Mr Ryan does not cater for your attention deficit and need for flash graphics and stimulating sounds to hold your attention does not take away from his documentary skills. You need a bit of Alex Jones methinks.

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  • Jmaxmuzik

    Excellent doc. It is quite clear how the buildings came down. I knew that all along but he proves it without a scientific doubt. He lost his job because of this, this man has some serious balls and bigger brains. We have been blatantly lied to by the government which continues to this day.
    I have a theory on why the second tower hit was demolished first. I believe they intended to use the first hit tower as a smoke screen to cover up as much video evidence as possible (the explosive charges) even though it would have made more sense to bring down the first hit tower to go with their fire theory.
    I mean all the connections as well tied to Bush and his brother. If they are capable of this horror I'm truly afraid of what's next because it will be much much worse. The scary thing most American's don't have a clue what's going on. Their more concerned about what's on T.v. and when there next happy meal is.
    America is developing into a police state, just watch what happens in the fifty years. You will have no rights.

  • Liebewitz

    excellent doc.

  • Liebewitz

    give them fiction.

    I remember in 1963-as a 7 year old-seeing JFK -in Dublin Ireland. He was not a bad man despite what some opportunist lazy and cowardly latter day scibes would have you think. Dead men can't sue. I digress

    When I heard news of his murder -5 months later-I was scared of this 'Oswald' character. Years later-what Warren et al- overlooked-was evident to anyone who cared to notice.

    40 years -or a little shy of it; I have had the great opportunity to visit almost half of the great US States from California to Vermont.

    My interest and fascination with aviation -found me at flight test areas and air force bases across the length and breath of a wondrous land-of kind and talented and hard working people.

    In 2007-I was privileged to be in the White House -and in retrospect take up JFK''s offer -to visit there-which he made in the summer of 63. I as an 'ordinary Joe visitor' that is

    . I have similarly been privileged to have been permitted to 'tour'the Pentagon -twice no less. I stood in the centre or center-of that 'power house'-and to this day -I would see the folks there -as 'good'.

    I stood -in Lincolns 'place' in the Capitol building as I tend to do-in a slightly obsessive way -at most -most historic places across the globe

    As critical sense developed-I believe I understood most socio -economic -cultural political moves-(though I missed the Ollie and Ronnie Iran Contra intrique-which was some move-by the backroom boys)

    Anyway-to bring matters to issue at hand-----I fell for the 9/11 tragedy 'line'---until I decided -belatedly this September 2011-to review the evidence.

    The only conspiracy -is to take the meaning out of the worto make it everything that is 'other' to the truth..
    The 'evil' which the misguided Mr Bush spoke of -(before and after he rode backseat -behind real pilots onto a carrier)-is the coterie of Cheney, Rumsfeld , and their ilk-who sat out wars in Vietnam and Korea-and schemed ways to make 'meaning' of their lives-by the acquisition of money and power-
    .......in effect making war on their own nation,

    Notwithstanding the cabal of power holders -mentioned in most of the documentaries here ....the lowest form of human life outside of them and lower than bankers and estate agents is the self serving media tribe..

    Here in Ireland-the -the aforementioned Random Tedious Effluent videlicet RTE-; along with cartoon class TV3 ;Newstalk' ;Today FM-make up the numbers.

    They height of their inquiry-when not insincerely joking and 'joshing among themselves on the latest celebrity - is to ask their audience -'dial up-if you can-and answer if you can-where is New York'-and win a chance to win -a chance to win -something. The money of course -is collected to add to hyper salaries...but one 'member' of their audience wins something.

    The scary element is that folk do-and that indicates how easily people can be manipulated-and ultimately 'down the line' controlled

    Warning.
    Keep a critical eye-or develop one -if necessary-and try to resist print and visual 'networks'-who will only take your soul away for the price of a holiday or a car .

    Seek the truth -in the USA and -across the world
    -or in my country Ireland , where the political class are 'only' inordinately clueless and greedy. God forbid- they could ever wage war.

    I forgot to mention that in Ireland -there was 'an event'-as the media class might say-

    Timeline:Dublin 17th May 1974: 33 civilians and an unborn child were killed
    in the Republic of Ireland and officially 258 people were injured as a
    result of a series of massive explosions(without coded warnings) when four
    car bombs were planted by Loyalist paramilitaries in several rush-hour
    streets of Dublin(I I was there),and one in Monaghan town.
    Independant research groups have pointed to the fact that special military technical expertise and intelligence would have been required and that they were supplied in
    personnel and equipment from several British sources Special Forces; MI6 et
    al. .
    The death toll was the largest in any single day of the Irish conflict and
    pre-empted similarly hideous events that followed in Britain.
    That the fairminded people of Britain were never made aware of this carnage
    is an indictment on journalists and politicians on both sides of the Irish
    Sea.

    As with 9/11 -when truth is witheld -or utterly destroyed-we as humankind lose-and casualty and wickedness continues.

    more anon

    Maurice Aherne

    A plethora of 9//11 official stories are broadcasting as I speak on the aforementioned national channels. One 911 day world changed-is as risable as tthe title. We have all the suspects-both usual and real-and unusual;and we have Laura Bush saying quiveringly-George and I held hands -and I knew things would be different for us from now on'. Yes indeed,love. A lame duck president would overnight be a heroic one-to start with. It was as nauseating as any hollywood spun film -but sadly real.

    The opening speeches of another 'on script-onside' documentary -' they have lethal weapons' -replays in my mind the old truth in jest -that is....

    How do we know-they have weapons?
    we have the receipts---
    Sadam +Osama-are---eh -were old friends---eh clients---eh---cut the tape!!!!!

    NB-Here in Ireland-the national media RTE or Random Tedious Effluvia 'news ' department -follow the 'line'.
    that is when they are not condescending to their audience -or selling them something-or mesmerising them-- in other sublimal ways-while they pamper themselves and their own golden circle of opinion making friends.
    Sadly the same-is evident for neighbours in the UK.

    Even the more intellectually searching agencies-and less corrupt- in Germany and France among others have bought to some degree-the 'line'

    Panem et Circenses- - bread and circuses
    ...Here! Buy this commodity- you need!
    -while we show you sport and musak-and
    Give your minds a holiday!
    Don't ask and don't worry!--ad nauseum-adinfinitum!

    10 YEARS ON-OR 37-if evidence is overlooked and victims forgotten-there is little of value in anniversaries-except for media luvies who have something to sell.

  • Liebewitz

    Good on you Mr Ryan

  • Liebewitz

    the method of posting here infra gives impression I said 'fiction' No-this is a truth filling doc from a fine scientific mind.

    My long spiel -2 messages down -begins with 'give them fiction'-and does not refer to doc.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thang-Tran/100000684251561 Thang Tran

    1. This isn't a documentary its someone giving a lecture.
    2. There is a clear political bias. When you start out asserting that NIST is a organization that reports directly to Bush then you are implying that somehow NIST cannot be trusted rather then attack NIST's own evidence and argument.
    3. At the 20 min mark no statistical or numerical evidence has been given that would point out to CD's and I still have not heard of any reason why CD's were used or why they would be used or who would use them.
    4. There are a lot of ad hominen attacks in this lecture which is irrelevant to the argument since this discussion should be based on evidence. If NIST's evidence or methodology was faulty then clearly point that out and move on.
    5. The lecturer brings many arguments with generalizations and still no evidence to disclaim anything. He does not cite any of his so called "tests."
    6. People he cites, "Researchers" "Other Volunteers" are not named or at least their group affiliation are not identified allowing him the ability to say anything and make up anything. I am not saying he has but as a skeptic there is always a possibility.
    7. He is speaking to the public and possibly journalists. No one in his audience including many that were there had the expertise or really ever doubted his claims to be able to ask real questions.

  • Guest

    A very articulated documentary filled with valid references that can seen and taken note of on a blue stripe at the bottom of the screen. It is strickly technical toward the 9/11 reports published by USA Gov. organisations.

    It also specify the persons who were in charge of leading the inquiries, who where in fact the same individuals who published the 2 main reports.
    Also mentioned that the 9/11 commission refused to hear witnesses that would not fit their own scenario as everyone knows by now. Thus, a bit of a useless comment here.

    To this date, no one has a hard proof that 9/11 was framed but if anyone would stage such a thing, that is the way to go!
    The USA "Elite" (Gov.) has done everything to do when one commits a crime.

    -Not seen, not caught, no crime. "Shut up or you'll get shot"!

    A very different documentary compared to the "9/11: Explosive Evidence" because the later was nothing more than scientists assembled to give their opinion on 9/11 after viewing various documentaries.
    Only a very few dared to debate technical matters in "9/11: Explosive Evidence". That one wasn't much technical.

    I recommend this marvel.
    And I recommend to be extremely wary of Thang Tran.
    That is my opinion 'bout the obvious.
    By viewing this doc, you'll undertand.

    Pierre.

  • UniversalCypher

    i dont suppose that "in the next fifty years" is synonymous with now, is it..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_M6F3RJVEWJ24QKMCHFNVK7ADVE Winston Smith

    thank you Kevin Ryan

  • http://www.facebook.com/cchristiankg Christian Klinckwort Guerrero

    George Bush, can you sleep well with as many as me that want to see you hanging from your balls???

  • cindy manoog

    You are no engineer.. Just look at WTC7 and the 1500 Architects and Engineers for AE911Truth.org.. this building was NOT hit by a plane,
    was 500 feet tall steel structure, yet symetrically collapsed in on its own footprint in 8 seconds.. that means hundreds, if not thousands of steel welds, high tension AST400 bolts, columns and beams, simultaneously failed.. it is IMPOSSIBLE without the use of CD's.
    so suck my Architect's License, you failure.

  • Colin Doran

    During the clear-up at ground zero, for months after the event hundreds of first responders, fire fighters, demolition workers, watched as every piece of WTC steel was uncovered ,lifted by cranes onto trucks and driven to the jetty for removal. All those pieces of steel , which were cut by explosive cutter charges and thermate, all of them had big molten diagonal cuts at each end where the controlled demolition charges severed each of the core and external columns on every floor of the 110 story buildings, and WTC7. I have never heard anyone who worked at ground zero ever say that all the steel columns that were removed from the site were severed, at each end with big molten diagonal cuts.

  • Jordan Stevens

    I was a fool not to question the official story, being a physicist and engineer myself. Then bang, a heard someone say it was controlled demolition, and within ten seconds, I realized I had been asleep. I then woke up from my delusion to realize everything the media and government says is a lie. I get my information from the Internet and from my own awakening awareness. I can't imagine how hard it is for someone without scientific knowledge to wake up. It must be very hard.

  • ShpongleCraft

    What would it take to blow up the WTC Mythbuster-style?

  • http://www.facebook.com/seredenko87 Alexander Seredenko

    I must say this is a quite brilliant idea and should be implemented.

    The problem is as no brainer as they come: cost of tower. One could easily reverse engineer an old scuttled Tristar with a remote control even in the 90s (when it was done simulating a crash.)

    How one would build a scale model of WTC1 or 2 is beyond anyone; a barebones model perhaps? fewer floors? I'd be interested in this actually getting off the ground... if only people could send that one in more frequently, and Savage and Hyneman attended some fundraiser dinners the world would sleep a lot more soundly.

    or be in the worst possible war of any age.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Draw-Vinette/100002174773347 Draw Vinette

    This is another well done documentary that shows how the Republican administration of Bush & Cheney deliberately worked overtime to cover up the true nature of the destruction of the twin World Trade Center Towers collapse by hiding as much key evidence as possible and not allowing the truth to come out. If senior investigators tried to tell the truth they were fired from the investigation. The City of New York was also involved in this cover up and deception to hide the truth of the real events of 911.

    This valuable documentary comes the day after another documentary on this site, “911: Press for the Truth”, was also highlighted. In this documentary four widows whose husbands died in the World Trade Center Towers on 911 try to find answers to the events of 911 and the collapse of the twin World Trade Center towers. The four widows are surprised by the lack of indifference and resistance in Washington to discover the truth behind the 911 events.

    Unknown to the four widows at the time, was that the resistance in Washington to discover the truth behind the 911 events, was because they already knew the truth. The events of 911 were a pre-planned domestic terrorism attack (False Flag event) by the United States government and Bush-Cheney Administration.

    One objective of the 911 events was to enrage the American people to such a degree as to allow the United States government to launch military actions / retaliation against Iraq and Afghanistan to secure oil and natural gas energy reserves for the United States. Iraq and Afghanistan were falsely framed for the 911 attacks on the twin world Trade Center Towers and the Pentagon.

    A very good documentary on this site that explains many of the reasons behind the 911 domestic terrorists is called "Loose Change Final Edition".

    As many people in the United States are now aware, the 911 domestic terrorist attacks, were a False Flag, United States government operation. A False Flag operation that had been in planning for years and finally executed by the Republican Bush-Cheney administration. This is why the White House did not want the 911 events thoroughly investigated. They knew already that it was a planned demolition event with a little extra drama thrown in for effect. (The remote controlled planes hitting the towers and US cruise missile hitting the Pentagon.)

    When former President Bush makes the statement that he will go after the terrorists and the country that harbours them, he already knew that his administration was the perpetrator of the 911 attacks and that the domestic terrorists were in fact his own people and his own administration.

    The twin World Trade Center Towers fell so quickly on 911, because they were a carefully planned demolition event. The towers were 40 years old, they had a known asbestos problem that was too expensive to fix, and New York City had refused demolition permits.

    The twin World Trade Center Towers then became part of an important US government False Flag operation that would benefit many people financially, keep others out of jail, enable military objectives that would otherwise take years to accomplish, secure fossil fuel energy reserves for the United States, get rid of two old New York City towers that had an asbestos problem that was too expensive to fix, and accomplish many other political objectives.

    World Trade Center Tower 7 was also a planned demolition event because it contained incriminating evidence against numerous Wall Street Bankers, CEO's and Firms that had manipulated the Wall Street run-up from 1998 to 2000. This evidence had to be destroyed so that the criminal investigations could not move forward. Why else destroy World Trade Center Building 7 on 911?

    Why would the United States government and the Bush Administration want to create a False Flag event to enrage the American people and others around the world?

    From a Peak Oil Perspective the United States government needed to secure a land route through Afghanistan for an oil and natural gas pipeline. Enron's negotiations with the Taliban had failed to secure a safe land route through Afghanistan and so US military action would be required. The oil and natural gas pipeline would transport oil and natural gas from Turkmenistan on the Caspian Sea, through Afghanistan, through Pakistan to the Arabian Sea where it would be loaded onto freighters headed to the United States.

    Iraq was also falsely accused of being part of 911 and a whole stage show was presented about the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. The military objective in Iraq was to attack, invade and seize the oil fields and return their control back to western oil companies.

    The False Flag operation was a complete success. There were numerous stock option financial rewards and gold bullion rewards as well, in addition to the military objectives that would secure more oil reserves for the United States.

    Unfortunately the 911 domestic terrorist attacks not only took 2,923 lives in the World Trade Center Towers, but their collapse poisoned the air in New York City with 2,500 dangerous substances and chemicals that would then sicken between 8,000 and 10,000 first responder emergency workers and New Yorkers. Many became very ill and began dying a few years after the event. This tragedy is documented in the video “Dust to Dust” also on this site. It is tragic and very sad to watch.

    What makes this tragedy even worse is that the Bush Administration was aware of the toxic air and completely failed to warn the people of New York City. New York City should have been evacuated after the towers collapsed. What was more important to the Bush Administration and the City of New York was getting Wall Street operating again. Making money was more important than the people's lives in New York City.

    Since the events of 911 some very interesting stories have begun to emerge of young children just learning how to talk (3 years old) and telling stories of how they had been first responders. The spirits of those first responders to 911 are now being reborn to continue on their lives. Past Lives of Children.

  • Dan Flynn

    "The four widows are surprised by the lack of indifference and resistance in Washington to discover the truth behind the 911 events."
    ...

    "Since the events of 911 some very interesting stories have begun to emerge of young children just learning how to talk (3 years old) and telling stories of how they had been first responders. The spirits of those first responders to 911 are now being reborn to continue on their lives. Past Lives of Children. "

    hahahahahahaha!!!!!!

  • Guest

    @Dan Flynn,

    Same here: hahahahahahaha!

    Next? Don't forget to pay your taxes so that either Obama or anyone else can pay the debt to your friends, the communist Chinese, Huh?

    BTW... What was that senator name and TV host who dropped the name of "911 whores" as they insisted to get their hoaxed USA 911 inquiry?
    I forgot. I heard of this much after the event since I'm abroad.

    hahahahahahaha!
    Next thing you need is a Texas faith healer.

    Pierre.

  • deferre

    I have seen some of these video's now and the controlled demolition theories.
    I know that something is very fishy in the whole 9/11 disaster... but can someone tell me ...if these events where cd's , are there no reports of work done in any of these building prior to the event and where are all the people needed to be involved in setting up such a cd ? Nobody came forward to confess to setting up a cd ? Or were they all killed ( like the pharaoh's did with their architects when they finnish their work on the pyramids) .
    On all these video's it definitely looks like cd's ( especially nr 7 ) .... I think more research and investigations should be done in who is capable in setting up cd's and their staff !! Is it private ?? is it the armed forces?? where are these people??

  • malcolm_mclean

    What these conspiracy theorist never mention is -
    1)how long would it have taken to place the explosives,
    2)how the explosives were placed without anyone seeing them, and
    3)what type of explosives would have been used,
    4)what quantity the explosives used, and
    5)where the large quantity of explosive would have come from undetected?

    I would guess that these questions will not be answered by any one of the conspiracy theorists.

  • joedsavage

    Malcolm_mclean, Check out some of the other documentaries on this site regarding your questions about 9/11.Unless your visually and hearing impaired it'll be right there in front of your face on your pc monitor. EXAMPLE: The use of Thermite(explosives),melting temperature of those particular steel columns,the Architects and builders of the WTC and much more than you'd probably like to know.Yea,you're right about one thing when you wrote the question; "I guess these questions won't be answered by anyone of the conspiracy theorists." I'm laughing A LOT.

  • bpitter2007

    From what I've read, the buildings were being worked on for awhile and there was work going on behind the walls so to speak. You could hear the work but you couldn't see it. So I figured the explosives were being placed during those times because nobody saw anybody but only heard sounds of things moving and banging around.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GZH566OFSHY5ZSFVWKWVUWSF4Q HOOKEMNCOOKEM1

    The thing Malcolm does not know because he does no research is..The Bush family had the security contract for the world trade center from 96 till 2001..They were doing a multi million dollar revamp of the security systems in both towers for 4 YEARS! Theres your access..The company was based out of Kuwait headed up by Georges brother Marvin.. They powered down the towers the weekend before 911 for some reason first time a powerdown was ever done to the towers..lots of firsts that day, two damn many..

  • CoolJuni

    I don't know where you have been at maybe with Bin Laden in one of his caves because all those questions you stated were answered long ago. No building has ever collapsed from a fire. Most of the gasoline was seen exiting the opposite side of the building in a giant fireball. A building in Chile of almost the same structure burned for 17 hours with red fire not mostly smoke like you seen at the towers... never came down not even a tease. And building 7 wasn't hit by anything in fact it barely burned and it collapsed at free fall speeds. That's just the surface. What about the other plane that crashed... it crashed in the dirt yet they said the plane disintegrated. No bodies were found at all nothing not even a finger and the plane? Just a couple pieces of metal. Commercial planes have fallen in the past on concrete ground and not one has disintegrated till it disappeared. Doesn't that at least get your brain to tingle and not believe everything your government feeds you. Americans people don't fight like other countries because you're too busy in the missionary position for your government.

  • Colin Doran

    Where did you get the idea that no bodies were found at the crash site of flight 93 at Shanksville? What is your source for saying that? Since the only people who can tell you what was found there are the people who actually had to excavate the crash site and remove the debris and the human remains, have those people said they found no debris or bodies?

  • g.p. little

    you had a decent comment going until the unborn children part....then it's like....oh jesus...lol

  • g.p. little

    wtc 7...wtf

  • Sg274

    The big money club members will always protect the plot.They think the 'masses' (that's us) are really stupid enough (for the most part) to believe anything the evening news tells them. and to perpetuate the lie,they destroy ,hide,and fabricate as much evidence as possible in the first weeks following the event. (All the steel shipped away before any forensic tests were done) They did not do any tests at all for any explosives of any kind.and while the mass murder was in progress , the Bin Ladin family along with the elder Mr Bush were watching it on TV from Texas.
    Sort of way too many things do not make any sense at all.
    Coincidence???? I don't think so.

  • batvette

    " (All the steel shipped away before any forensic tests were done) They did not do any tests at all for any explosives of any kind."

    If you had the slightest knowledge of the NIST report you would know the explanation of why they did not test for traces of gunpowder at an obvious killing by knife.
    However your point is patently absurd, most of the steel was catalogued, stored in warehouses, photographed, and was ultimately handled by thousands of people while on the debris pile, in transit, in storage, and during the investigation. Nobody made enough money on any of this to buy the silence and complicity of everyone who would be involved. As usual truthers need to paint a picture of almost comically false circumstances to weave their bizarre story. The evidence was not all removed before anyone could test it- it took nearly a year to clear the rubble from ground zero and the bulk of it still sits in the landfill at Fresh Kills. Get a court order and go dig it up it you think it is merited.
    The fact is there is no evidence of explosives because there is no evidence of explosives. Were you watching a different event on TV that day than the rest of us? Thousands of video records of that day exist and not one of them has an audio track depicting explosions consistent with a controlled demolition. Isn't that a pesky detail that gets in the way of common sense for you?

    "while the mass murder was in progress , the Bin Ladin family along with the elder Mr Bush were watching it on TV from Texas."

    And while the mass murder was in progress I was watching it on TV from California. Did you have a point with that or were you just trying to be profound and tragically failed?

  • Nothing_Is_Real

    Did you know that 100 million dollars was spent on Clinton's sex scandal investigation and only 14 million on 911 investigation. Only 3 million was available at first. That alone should open any bats eye

  • Nothing_Is_Real

    Oh that's right, bats are blind

  • Nothing_Is_Real

    Is your name really Goerge Bush

  • Malfunction Junction

    WOW, an actual Gov't troll that uses big words...You must get paid more than the idiot troll's do
    its too late there anyways speedy, America is finally waking up to the fact that US/Israeli forces did this and not 19 cave people (7 still alive) w/ razor blades. Most are predicting the criminal trials to be started in 2015...if these criminal pricks don't implode this Country before then just to cover their criminal butts...
    We're gonna take this Country back by brute force if need be....join us won't you???

  • Malfunction Junction

    I would say the Coroner @ the scene would be a good start..I mean if that guy tells ya there is no body's, ya better believe him. He said He quit being Coroner @ the site in 20 minutes when he realized there were no bodys....and why can't ya get near that site today???
    your US Gov't is an illegal criminal mafia and wants you dead

  • Malfunction Junction

    Warning..Gov't troll on the boards... ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/ryan.han.5437 Ryan Han

    Batvette is a gov't troll.

  • http://smu.gs/L1p7XU winston

    You're just factually incorrect. The bulk of the structural steel was driven a few blocks northwest and loaded on barges, from where it was shipped directly overseas for recycling. It was not cataloged or stored in any warehouse. (a few of them were. Like the two taken to a hanger at Kennedy airport). What was taken to Freshkills Landfill was the smaller debris. It was then sorted into 3c ontent-based piles. What could, would, over the next two years, be systematically loaded onto conveyor belts, lined with gloved-attendants, whose job it was to cull out any human remains they could locate. Despite two years of intensive searching and use of advanced DNA recovery techniques over 1100 victims still remain unaccounted for to this day. Gravity did that? What about the pulverized concrete, the 100 day fires, the excessive temperatures, WTC 7's implosion and so on?

    'Many of the claims attributed to the “9/11 truth movement” are speculative, irresponsible, and downright false. This does not change the fact that there is a huge body of legitimate evidence. And that evidence, all points in the same direction: demolition.

    "The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments." - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • Paul

    Now that the truth is established, a bigger task remains - convincing the delusional / idiotically steadfast / brainwashed / conformative / and totally gullible portion of America (which, lets be honest, must make up more than 50%) to stand up and do something about it.

  • lumberjake

    Your statement that there was no evidense of explosives, just like NIST stated is exactly why few believe NIST's report. Any one can watch original news coverage and the hundreds of firefighters and others who witnessed explosions in the sub levels of the buildings, the lobby, the reporters on scene who report explosions, the recorded sound of explosions and victims of explosions. AS I said there are literally dozens of videos that back this or You can be an ******** and think that all the hundreds of reliable witnesses is somehow the equivalent to "no evidence". The FACT is there IS evidence and NIST knew this but chose to ignore it. Why? Why would they ignore the statements of literally hundreds of reliable witnesses and recordings? Then you have the fact that what wasn't steel at the towers was almost entirely turned to dust. I'm no expert but common sense tells me that maybe explosives were involved. Would it not be scientific let alone common sense to eliminate all possibilities, especially one that obviously has some credibility, by testing for explosives? Its like the Pentagon tape. Same deal we are told it was an airliner, theres a recording of it but we cannot see it. Not seeing the tape is like not testing for explosives. Both seem so obvious. Why hide it? Is what we are left asking, and shouldn't have to. I just cannot believe that people like you still say there is no evidence!

  • Steve Mcconnell

    I wish I was smart enough too believe the the official story. Then I'd be too s*upid too care. Ignorance is bliss. The more you know, the more you know, you'll never know. I could be wrong.

  • makulu53

    Dust was collected from the streets of Manhattan after 9-11, and the dust was found to contain traces of nano thermite, the most explosive material known to man. Dr. Steven Jones did a thorough analysis of this dust and concluded that the 3 WTC buildings were all brought down through controlled demolition. Although he was a tenured and highly respected physics professor at BYU, his findings were damaging enough to the "official story" that BYU forced him out of the university.

  • windship

    And yet the footprint of WTC7 was cleaned up first, even though it had been totally evacuated in preparation for it's expected collapse, so there were no human remains. Perhaps there was better evidence of an obvious CD to get rid of there first?

    At least NIST admits to WTC7 falling at freefall speed. Have any good technical explanations for that ?