Americana: The 2nd Revolutionary War

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Americana: The 2nd Revolutionary War

Politicians are there to lie and deceive and to continually trick the people into never getting control of their society again. They are there to keep the elites in power. They are there for the upper class to wage war against the middle class and the working class.

It's the two parties teamed up against the people, two wings on the same bird of prey. Instead of looking at the wings all day, let's talk about the head, the beak, the guts of this thing, its mind, its eyes, what it believes, what this bird does.

This is tyranny. This is what globalism is. We want a new world order? It's the banks that engineered the collapse and they're bragging about it. Folks, what we know is off the chart crazy. Imagine what we don't know because truth is strange, ladies and gentlemen.

As VICE traveled across the country, they realized that there was something else stirring under the surface. There was this growing movement of people who really feared the government and rejected this idea of hope all together.

More and more folks were starting to listen to people like Alex Jones. They believed we were standing on the edge of a total collapse and they were getting ready to fight in the second American Revolution.

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  1. FlatBaroque

    I wonder, is being a gun nut the destination for anyone who has serious questions about serious matters? Because I have such questions, but I am of the opinion that the gun is not the solution by any standard. There are two main problems with their thinking:
    1. They think that their weaponry is somehow going to overcome the military
    2. Even if successful, violent revolution throws up even more demented leaders

    The next planetary revolution is occurring in your mind.

  2. Tony

    notice they are all white. what about us minorities what about the oath that everyone takes it dont count cause we are minorities? well we arent minorities anymore. white is the minority now.

  3. beneloben

    Of course the gun is a solution ... it's a solution to anyone who would rather pull a trigger and feel macho than actually find a real solution, because that's how we do things here ... the wild west mentality still reigns ... the NRA and gun lobbyists have WAY too much sway and until we figure this out, let's continue shooting each other, let's keep building more prisons.

    I'm sorry, but when it comes to guns in America, we have to wake up, there are too many and they are too easy to get ...

    Look at our media, our entertainement, we LOVE violence, can't get enough of the stuff ... And on top of that, our kids are over-medicated and de-sensitized ... we live in a society ripe for tragedy, it's time to wake up and fix ... not a time for revolution or war

  4. Jack1952

    God help us if these people actually start the revolution they so badly want. There is such an undercurrent of hatred, suspicion, and paranoia. It,s what drove the communists of the Soviet Union and China, the fascists of Germany and Italy and is driving the Muslim fundamentalists of today. It's "us vs them" mentality, the line in the sand that separates all. It's the belief that the existence of mankind is threatened and those who do the threatening must be exterminated at all cost. If you can't prove your loyalty you are the enemy. They scare me and scare me a lot.

    There has never been a world without problems. Alex Jones will always have issues that he can use to fuel his rants. As long as they remain rants and those who follow him don't go out and bust heads to allay their feelings of hopelessness. Anyone who thinks that these revolutionaries will usher in a new age of freedom is going to have a rude awakening. Armed revolutions seldom end well, especially when led by the self perceived victims of society.

  5. Johny Murgas

    The Machine wants violence...Violence is not going to work.
    One part is saying to start a militia the other not to do violence, it only creates confusion violence and division.
    !

  6. gunk wretch

    it seems most of them believe that America used to be great, used to be free etc. but what they dont realize was that their country was always corrupt, always essentially tyrannical and while things are getting worse, we need to keep in mind all hierarchy, all government is worth opposing.

  7. Inhib Tycho

    Tony I tend to agree with you there. I am just concerned as to what is going on in the world today as anybody, yet unfortunately the situation seems to attract a right wing aspect to it. I fear if lets say the US dose descend into civil war it`ll be the people of color that will be the first to be round up and killed, whether or not they where born in the US or not is of little consequence in a climate where hysteria and paranoia drive mob rule. Once again it`ll be the people of color stuck in the middle forced into a no win situation, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

  8. sknb

    I want a world without borders. I think that it is morally wrong that my life should be better because I was born on one side of an imaginary line.

    I think nationalism must dissolve or humanity will destroy itself.

  9. Mercenarry ForHire

    I reveal my face down trap card!

    Freedom of Speech. This card allows anything to be said but it cannot change the cause and effect.

  10. Mick Fraser

    Not shockingly perhaps, I agree with much of what was said in this doc. Certainly about unchecked corporatism and lack of real action against corrupt practices in business and in the social policy sphere that will most likely cause a further rift in the classes. But, armed revolution is simply a last resort for a desperate nation and US citizens have a lot they can do before following the likes of Mr. Jones.

    It seems the more I watch, read and listen on this subject, the more support there is for a third political party. There seems to be many soft democrats and republicans who could join together within one party and take the best of both traditional party's ideologies and perhaps be a force.

    IMHO it would simply take some good leaders from both traditional parties to bring about the real change required. Political outsiders probably would not get the level of financial support required.

  11. ~Oliver B Koslik Esq

    Unbelievable, seems as though the situation is explained quite clearly however; is left wide open...

    “A puppet in the right, and a puppet in the left... but who's pullin the strings”?

    If you are wanting to "pull" the puppeteer out, and make sure that everyone can see -all- the stings behind the curtain: You must first heed such wisdom, as to what is explained in ~19:00min. If you are so lucky as to be able to comprehend 19:00min, you may as well entertain the idea that; quite soon we will have “fresh faces” stepping into power. Conscious and educated enough to evolve, similar to how the internet has evolved, All of our communities.

    Secondly, it is just as important to devise an alternative way to offer change. Not to force it, but to cultivate it. Exactly as it has been doing for the past ten years.

    Although we must realize that; the name of the game (power and control) is to pit us (in distraction) against one and another (left hand v.s. right hand)... Until we die trying. The whole time keeping us oblivious, as to what is happening over top of our complacent little "head-spaces".

    The REAL TERRORIST, is the mis-information, the dis-information, the twisted information, and most vitally the lack of information.

    Think of the mentality of the people in power. They were all raised & educated in the 1950's -1980's. Totally oblivious to the "outside the box" conditioning, that our newest generations already have the opportunity to immerse themselves in.

    As the internet community (that is very quickly exposing) the truth behind (things such as) 19:00min grows, "the problems" seem to be more of "the causes" that (have already) enabled, what is to be "the effect": No More Puppet Masters!

    We as a global community have done such an exceedingly miraculous job in the past decade alone, in terms of social evolution, its happening almost too fast to digest.

    Alas, my point is: Do not remain complacent, but do not become combative.
    Hope, change, and equality is imminent.

    Sweet Doc!
    ~Oliver

  12. Lastviewer

    It reminds me of this other DOCU for which the author tracked down where the US Gov. is registered as a "Corporate Company" (Foreign to the US).
    The other thing I had in mind while watching was the the number of times where someone mentioned the lost of a close one in the various silly US wars such all over the world as the Vietnam one. Not a word 'bout the killed civilians of the invaded countries. Is there any non US citizen on planet earth who's not aware of these numerous war crimes?
    Who's benefiting? Corporates arms manufacturers, Not even US citizens!
    Bare in mind that the USA was founded on principles derived from rich slave owners. What does anyhone expect them to do once the slaves 'been freed? Who could they abuse? I have a vague idea :-)

    BTW: - How many individuals died in the WTC demolition?
    How many died as Kissinger commited his war crimes in Cambodia, Vietnam, Chili, Nicaragua, Panama, and, and... Ahem...

    Bwarf. Republicans or Democrats, it'll be business as usual tomorrow morning.
    I count myself lucky not being part of all this.
    It was a bit better by the end of the Viet war but memory is a faculty that forgets. I wouldn't live in such a world, at all price.

    I'll say, keep aloof and watch the next generation.

  13. John Michael Defalque

    I am Communist, I am just as angry with how much suffering and deprivation I have suffered in the last 3.5 yrs of the Great Depression as you folks are. The diference is that I blame Crapitalism-it's this corporate heirearchy where a CEO makes thousands of times what a worker makes-that is the cause of all our suffering. It is getting to the point where we can't afford to live and don't deserve to live anymore. I'm angry too, but I think your anger is misdirected at the wrong targets. We live in a corporate kleptocracy/plutocracy where fraud is treated like a victimless crime. Who is a financial criminal-every multi-millionaire and billionaire is a financial criminal. The biggest financial offenders deserve nothing less than the death penalty.

  14. branrx

    This guy makes no sence. Obama didn't vote yes on Iraq. Why would he say Obama is part of an elite group designed to keep war going to continue debt in order to enslave us? Why would take out Bin Ladin?

    And veteran alienation after returning home from the Middle East similar to Vietnam? I've never seen that in modern lifetime with any vets I know.

    I just don't get all this? And it's real. My Facebook page has the craziest news feeds right now. Don't tread on me, gun after gun after gun..I finally feel the country is gaining some intellectual ground and the response is wacky paranoia..lol

  15. Ron Cee

    bin laden died

  16. megatron_mcdaniels

    Obama didn't have to vote yes, he could be on the record as "against" then be appointed president and continue the policies we have problems with. Obama has no credibility with some of us cause he will not mention 911 with the thought of a second look. a real look. and the death of osama bin laden stunk like dead fish. let me spin you a fun scenario...a special team in a special bird are doing some shady things in Pakistan. technical problems force them to ditch the bird and after some quick thinking they shoot the pi$$ed off pakkis . ya know, loose ends. and then in a really not to smart move, they try to say they were there to get osama. i mean sure no pictures. and yeah the story sounds like a bad movie script. i mean we had to dump the bodies at sea. it was starting to stink, ya know? and of course the alienation happens to anyone who takes life. we are diff than the rest and we feel it. you don't have to hate on me but i feel a little outside most days. and one more thing.
    we will never start shooting citizens. if we aren't doing what we do for you then what for. most dudes i know agree. its serious $hit.
    that said our leaders are f-ing nuts. i wouldn't put it past them to try but the dudes on the ground may feel a little "uncomfortable"if my boss tells me to make an illegal kill i'm supposed to say no sir.and if the target's name is Sarah or Wendy and maybe she looks a little like your sister, than you can forget those orders. and we wouldn't let the one or two dumb-a$$e$$ who will follow the orders do it. well end of rant. carry on.

  17. 1concept1

    ignorance prompted by ignorance.

  18. Apeiros Sophos

    The west has been involved in many political coups in the name of "free democracy" and other ambiguous slogans. Simultaneously however, ignoring other authoritarian regimes that commit atrocities that rival the ones they so aggressively despise. Foreign policy does not function with a higher sense of justice in mind; never has.

    When a country begins to show a keen interest in another I always ask myself, what physical resources does it possess, what are its geopolitical views, who are its neighbors, so on and so forth.

    Truth is stranger than fiction; the business of government is business.

  19. Nick Sloan

    WTF can Obama do? He doesn't run America.

  20. Nick Sloan

    The President isnt the highest power its the CEO!

  21. megatron_mcdaniels

    sorry dude it goes higher. actually it goes lower. a lot lower. i'm talkin underground lower. ya know. the lizard people. soooo also i come to find that they can ether dress up as a weird looking - acting person of power and influence or just wear an already existing person. and that's what makes them look and act weird. course then the real trouble starts. turns out...they gotta have stuff. your stuff and they want to give you something cheap and flimsy in return. probably made in china i d k. that part don't mater. they want the stuff that lets you live a free er life. its all winding down now though. thats what happens in the end. it'll be alright. the planet and life will continue in some form. even if the rot of industrial-information transition garbage, chemicals and all-around bad tastes goes miles deep stuff will still be alive, miles deeper. of course the whole fall into stink will accelerate as it continues but over all i'm sure it will be a long drawn out slump into cr@py and geting worse for more and more people.
    now back to the lizard people...
    they just aren't very nice either.

  22. Apeiros Sophos

    megatron_mcdaniels,

    Perhaps it would be wise when you discuss your assertions on lizard people that you do facetiously. Alternatively, one could even say, "I believe it is not entirely improbable that lizard people exist; though I cannot say for certain". Then give them a little wink. This way, it is less likely you will be committed.. or nominated for President.

  23. stevenbhow

    I was surprised by how similar many of the militia members sounded to the EndCiv anarchists, though obviously their political beliefs would be completely opposite to one another. I guess their anger stems from the same sources.

  24. brixmo

    One thing they dont relize , all USA wealth is based on U.S.military terror around the world, once this is eliminate, USA will come on econocmic level with Mexico.

  25. KsDevil

    Change begins with conversation but ends when education is sidelined by emotional rhetoric. This documentary is ripe with emotional rhetoric.

  26. wald0

    And how do you propose to do away with US military terrorism? You make it sound so easy.

  27. Mick Fraser

    "I finally feel the country is gaining some intellectual ground and the response is wacky paranoia"

    I agree completely. But some of my conscious friends say that I am naive.

  28. wald0

    While i agree that our country has become a terrorist state, going around the globe securing future resources, assassination people, etc. blaming it all on Obama, Pelosi, etc. is a laugh. This was started many, many years ago by Republicans such as Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Ronald Reagan, etc., etc. It was expanded greatly by the Bush family later and even more after 9/11. Obama clearly goes along to get along, which i don't care for- but removing him will do nothing, not one thing to stop what is happening. if anything it will only open the door to another Bush/Cheney type administration that pushes preemptive strike, trickle down economics, etc. The very things that led us to where we are. Things have improved greatly under Obama, though they are far from where they need to be. If people let paranoia and conspiracy theory push them back toward the neoconservative republican party we are doomed, period. These people are military hawks, they push the joining of Christianity and politics constantly, they are clearly hostile toward anyone that isn't of white, European decent. They make Obama look like a boy scout to me.

  29. karmagolden

    I like the concept, but even within borders, people create borders, build imaginary walls, hoard... people are naturally afraid and it turns to paranoia when a state capitalizes on that fear. 'Capitalizing' on it leads to people buying more to secure their imaginary fortresses- locks, security systems, safes, safe rooms, bomb shelters etc..... Survival instincts kick in and we begin to fear our closest allies. Paranoia, hard to keep a country in check without it. Turn off the tv and talk to your neighbors and expand your personal boundaries. Fight your fears as they are only an illusion created specially for you to keep you paralyzed. So, one step at a time, move your feet. Push back. It's YOUR life. It's YOUR country.

  30. megatron_mcdaniels

    yeah but i don't talk like that. and that was some realy good weed we got into last night.

  31. Geoffrey Grekin

    I tend to agree with a lot of what Chris hedges is espousing.

    What is happening is the slow decline of the American empire and the failure of the economic globalization experiment.

    It's akin to the fall of the Roman Empire; and just like the Roman Empire, its death won't just be catastrophic for america, but every entity that is tied or connected economically with that said Empire.
    What will follow is most certainly the emergence of a new dark age in which science, logical thought and inter-dependence break down and instead the emergence of division, war, and local substitution survival.

    Let's hope we get it right the next time around. :-)

  32. Robert Elliot

    "They think that their weaponry is somehow going to overcome the military"

    True the military could easily put down any isolated rebellion, but the public ownership of guns would necessitate the use of armored divisions and they don't have near enough of those to combat a widespread general insurrection. In such case, they would also probably have to deal with a massive number of defections. Probably their most effective weapon would be the ability to interfere with communications but that might be overcome eventually.

  33. 1concept1

    Pres. Obama, like wald0 posted is like a boy scout to me, he wants out of the middle east. Boy that sure is a bunch of confused people on this doc.! They don't know what they hate or don't like. They just need one strongly defined leader to spark that gasoline!

  34. tomregit

    Oh my! Your belief in American excellence in all aspects of life is stunning. Science, logic, and interdependence are not American inventions and America is not their sole practitioner. Contrary to the opinion of millions of Americans, they are no longer world leaders in many fields other than hegemony through military force, and even this is swiftly declining. The end of empire will be barely noticed in the long term and a reality check may not be as catastrophic as you think. Another bully on the world stage will emerge and there may be a "grey age" for some of America's closest partners in crime. The "golden age" of America that occurred before most of us were born will be fondly remembered but the world will go on just fine, thank you.

  35. illuminatilizardperson

    cool. does that mean you no longer deserve special entitlements, and whites do? what makes you believe your oath doesn't count? as far as i'm concerned, it does, and i'd welcome the help of "minorities" in rectifying Americas problems.

  36. Nwttp

    It is the "us vs those that would force their lifestyle on us" mentality that is exactly what people are waking up to see is the right one to have.
    It's refreshing that this was the first comment, way down on the bottom of the page, that was this closed minded.

  37. Nwttp

    Good lord. Anyone else see a trend in the most outrageous/and or closed minded comments being within the first couple comments? 4 in a row.

  38. Jack1952

    Being close minded and feeling that a violent revolution may bring on a situation that is worse that what it is saying it is trying to fix puts me in the suspicious category. I may be a target of the revolutionaries and find myself dragged off to prison and maybe executed because I do not support an armed insurgence. Doesn't matter that I'm just an ordinary working stiff. What matters is that my brand of close mindedness is a threat against their new world order.

    The French, Russian and Chinese revolutions were also addressing the unfair treatment of a large segment of society. Look how they ended. If not wanting that history to repeat itself makes me close minded than guilty as charged. I say change doesn't have to be violent. If we are to develop as a civilized society than we have to learn to solve our problems without that caveman mentality that says we can only get what we want by busting a few heads.

    But I suppose some people enjoy busting heads and the delicious feeling of power that goes with it.

  39. Dean Edgington

    Absolutely true.

  40. Nwttp

    If you don't mind being oppressed what difference does it make who does the oppressing? And... you say "I may be a target of the revolutionaries and find myself dragged off to prison and maybe executed because I do not support an armed insurgence. Doesn't matter that I'm just an ordinary working stiff"
    You should be fine as long as you mind your own business. Some of us like freedom, and if violence is the only means of achieving said freedom, then so be it. If you don't want to be free, stay out of it. Sad sad truth is your common man is too easily brainwashed, and that being said, I refuse to give up my God given rights because of it.

  41. Dean Edgington

    That’s something I have noticed also. There seems to be much common ground between the left and right regarding issues of tyranny, corporatism, elitism, oligarchy etc. These (worsening) problems seem to be above traditional politics and more to do with a basic sense of fairness that is universally shared. The elites have been pissing of liberals for decades, now they are upsetting conservatives by their unabashed greed and theft. Year on year, the rich get richer and take a greater share of the generated wealth. What’s worse is this trend hasn’t changed since the economic crisis; even in the lean times (for which THEY are chiefly responsible) they want a larger and larger slice of the cake.

    No wonder people on both sides of the political fence are increasingly finding common ground. The elites are really taking the piss! Not to mention environmental devastation, higher cost of living, lower wages, less rights, less personal freedom, more corruption, more bare-faced lies, declining public health, rising depression and stress...try to sell worsening terms and conditions to the people, it don’t go down well. People will not tolerate it for much longer and for many people, sadly, it could end in tears. I hope revolution and civil unrest can be averted and democratic reforms take place.

    As a side note: Conservatives, you need to realise there is a fundamental flaw and contradiction in your ideology. The right champion individual freedom and less government (all good) but then want to restrict the rights of certain segments of the community. Gay rights being one issue, abortion being another. You can’t have it both ways conservatives, either you are for individual freedom in the fullest sense or you are just another force for regressive oppression.

  42. Dean Edgington

    There seems to be much common ground between the left and right regarding issues of tyranny, corporatism, elitism, oligarchy etc. These (worsening) problems seem to be above traditional politics and more to do with a basic sense of fairness that is universally shared. The elites have been pissing of liberals for decades, now they are upsetting conservatives by their unabashed greed and theft. Year on year, the rich get richer and take a greater share of the generated wealth. What’s worse is this trend hasn’t changed since the economic crisis; even in the lean times (for which THEY are chiefly responsible) they want a larger and larger slice of the cake.

    No wonder people on both sides of the political fence are increasingly finding common ground. The elites are really taking the piss! Not to mention environmental devastation, higher cost of living, lower wages, less rights, less personal freedom, more corruption, more bare-faced lies, declining public health, rising depression and stress...try to sell worsening terms and conditions to the people, it don’t go down well. People will not tolerate it for much longer and for many people, sadly, it could end in tears. I hope revolution and civil unrest can be averted and democratic reforms take place.

    As a side note: Conservatives, you need to realise there is a fundamental flaw and contradiction in your ideology. The right champion individual freedom and less government (all good) but then want to restrict the rights of certain segments of the community. Gay rights being one issue, abortion being another. You can’t have it both ways conservatives, either you are for individual freedom in the fullest sense or you are just another force for regressive oppression.

  43. Sabu Rius

    I'd much rather live in this corrupt country than the corrupt theocracy / hypocrisy that would follow a successful takeover of the government by these uneducated backward fools. I don't however see how these Taliban like individuals (self-acclaimed patriots) would last any amount of time against the U.S. military without a drone up their ars -- never mind the civilian opposition. Most of the founders were a bunch of slave owning bigots and the constitution isn't written in stone. It has been amended already and can be amended again. In fact, it badly needs a rewrite so it can serve a purpose in the 21st century and beyond. The first draft was appallingly and unconscionably bad with blacks only as 2/3 of a person.The U.S. never had golden years as idiots like these have been around since before 1776. Not even a hundred years after the foundation, we had a civil war -- instigated by the same type of idiots who think an imaginary and invisible celestial dictator had given them special rights and is on their side. What I see is the silver lining of a badly corrupted genetic pool with way too many cousin marriages.

  44. Nwttp

    Problem is too many people spout their smelly opinion and call it a day. Not only that, they, like you, assume too much. Most of your "statements" have zero to do with this doc or the ideals within. Fight their Ideas with logic, not racism.

  45. megatron_mcdaniels

    and anyways, i just KNOW about the lizards, i don't know what to do with them. idk some of these people may be right. we may need a couple of shotguns and maybe even a good ol' swamp chase. if we have a fan boat we may need automatic weapons. after all these guys are tough little ba$tards and its not like they are gonna lay down when it comes down to skinning them and then deciding what to make out of them. all i know is this....lizard or snake skin boots look really stupid.

  46. megatron_mcdaniels

    also it wouldn't matter if i wouldn't follow the order to shoot any of you. now they have robots. robots that play like video games. hell they just about run themselves and all you gotta do to operate one of these is be able to work a xbox 360 controller and....well dont get me started on the robots.
    f-ing lizard men and robots. at least its ending in like a kick a$$ sci-fi movie.
    all we need now are some ninjas and a pirate.

  47. stevenbhow

    hitting the vaporizer again tonight, lol.

  48. megatron_mcdaniels

    Donald Rumsfeld and D!ck Cheney dressed in black dogis (karate pajamas) hiding in the white house bushes while Obama distrustfully pears out his office window muttering to him self "gaaaar... hope an change".
    there we go.

  49. wald0

    Really dude? Lizard ppl? (LOL)

  50. megatron_mcdaniels

    yep. with robots.

  51. wald0

    I have no idea where you live but here, in the US, the left and right have found no common ground and are still fighting it out. The right still wants tax breaks for the most wealthy, sill calls them the "job creators" (which is a joke), still believe in trickle down economics, still insists any ban on high capacity clips, assault weapons, etc. is an attempt to take their precious guns, still insist it is entitlements and the poor that are the problem, etc. What they could not get through at the federal level they are now pushing through on the state level, check out Virginia's archaic laws concerning the reproduction rights of women- the product of a Republican governor. In Mississippi they are trying to out law abortion clinics without outlawing abortion clinics. They are passing a law that effectively makes it impossible for an abortion clinic to affordably operate, though I am not sure of the details quite yet because this just started. I know that a supreme court judge stopped the law until it could be reviewed, so maybe there is hope. Your are right, the right constantly talks about individual liberty and small government, the problem is they are lying through their teeth and anyone that bothers to check out their current policies and past record knows this. What they want is for the government to stay off the backs of corporations and the rich people that own them so they can take advantage of the poor and run things as they see fit. In other words they want tings to stay the way they are, or maybe revert a few years- but not go forward. Forward is the enemy for them, forward is where the poor and so forth wake up.

  52. wald0

    Do you mean you simply agree with David Ike or do you mean you have personally witnessed the lizard folk?

  53. Nwttp

    Your last paragraph holds some weight, but you still seem blinded and fooled by the two party system. Both sides "restrict the rights of certain segments of the community". Will give many many examples if needed.

  54. Bobcatbob Ingram

    Hold everything ! Lets take a reality check, would you want your dictator to be a General, a priest or a corporation. Think about it for a minute.....
    I'd much rather have a 'corporation' BECAUSE .... they are easier to control .
    Did I hear someone slam the keyboard and mutter ...HOW COME ??

    Because a corporation depends on us human's to feed it. and a corporation's purpose is to make a profit, therefore, if We the 99% boycott a product the corporation suffers a profit decline.Corporation's hate declining profits.
    Your efforts to boycott corporations is 10x more effective if You write to the corporations head quarters and simply tell them, that You are boycotting their products and why. They are totally dependent on Us. Gather your friends to help because Boycotting is far better than bullets.

  55. megatron_mcdaniels

    no way man David Ike is a dork. and nobody sees the lizard people and lives. they show ya only before they eat ya. and this only happens to little kids, cause i guess they like child blood? i usually feel like the people who have witnessed these things and talk about it are lying. Cabbie: "You can't meet the Duke! Are you crazy? Nobody gets to meet the Duke. You meet him once and then you're dead! Everybody knows that snake."

  56. ruths

    EXCELLENT VIDEO , and all this left right BS is just that we are all getting screwed together by both parties . if ya dont get that your just stupid.

  57. megatron_mcdaniels

    yes! almost exactly what i was trying to say but a little bit more concision.

  58. harry

    keep calm guys and dont let the zombies get you everybody knows that voting is not straight, what gets me is the sheer arrogance of it all.

  59. mej313

    I agree with you Wald0,It's crazy what is happening in the US, but everywhere in the world archaic systems of political and psychological control are reasserting themselves. The Arab Spring is bringing the Muslim Brotherhood into power, and with it, Sharia Law which keeps women locked up at home and ousted from employment, thus dependency.

    The most ironic thing about our technocratic society is that our modern technology is helping these types of people revert back to systems where "they" had absolute control over populations in earlier times, and want to regain total control over women, minorities, and to reinstitute various forms of slavery and oppression under the guise of "Democracy" that people fought hard to overcome in Civil Rights and in Affirmative Action (women's rights included under that umbrella of now stripped away legislation).

  60. humansoul

    same **** s happening in the euro zone and the u.k we all have to stick together and protect our human rights and family just to say we are with you against these crime riddled governments god bless you the american people
    dont give up stay together they will try there best to separate you using infiltration dont fall for any bribe or lies later they will stab you in the back!!!!! take care and good luck

  61. Jack1952

    "You should be fine as long as you mind your own business". I "should" be fine? In other words, don't get in my way. My life means nothing if it even appears to threaten your freedom.

    My parents lived in the Netherlands during the second world war. My dad would laugh at you and scoff at the idea that you are oppressed. You have no idea what oppression is, that is what he would tell you and the millions of others who lived under the real fear of death every day from real oppressors. Your oppression is one of ideology. Please, tell me of an incident where your rights were taken away. Don't tell me I'm brainwashed. Tell me how you are being oppressed. Specific details.

    Violent revolutions are quite often carried out by individuals who don't mind taking the rights away from those they feel oppose them. Your "should be fine" assertion is what is scary about revolutionaries. Their steadfast belief that they and only they know what is best for all. How could we know? We are brainwashed sheep. Your arrogance is appalling.

  62. Nwttp

    You've done nothing but prove my points with this post.

    I "should" be fine? In other words, don't get in my way.
    My life means nothing if I threaten your freedom." Damn right, who do you think you are?

    also, you said "Violent revolutions are quite often carried out by individuals who don't mind taking the rights away from those they feel oppose them."
    Oh really? So it can be no other way? You appear to only be able to assume and put words in others mouths to justify your beliefs. And good sir, your simple mindedness is.... not surprising.

    And you've proved your sheepness by this nice little nugget " My dad would laugh at you and scoff at the idea that you are oppressed". Learn to think for yourself, and come back at me with actual ideas. Not, "others have had it much worse so you should be fine with a little oppression" Good gosh, ridiculous that I must type such common sense

  63. Nwttp

    " Please, tell me of an incident where your rights were taken away. Don't tell me I'm brainwashed. Tell me how you are being oppressed. Specific details."
    I have been arrested for having a plant in my pocket, I have also been arrested for walking down the street. There is more, but that is enough. Don't tell me I'm not oppressed, you know nothing about real life. and it is your comments that tell me you are brain washed, prove me wrong.

  64. Jack1952

    We both know what plant it is that you were referring to. It's a bad law. I know it. But it is a law that was passed when the majority of the people thought it was a good idea to have this law. I don't expect it to be overturned over night. It's a plant. I'm not going to kill someone for the right to have it. I will go through the proper channels and fight to have it overturned...like a civilized human being. I will not take part in a conflict in which the innocent will die because of a damn weed.

    If you've been arrested for walking down the street, write it down. Send a letter, giving details and court proceedings, to your local newspaper. Get in touch with a civil liberties group. Provide proof that this happened. Fight it with pride and dignity. Don't start blasting away and tell people that they have to stay out of your way because you want what you want.

    The thing is I am not threatening your freedom. I believe that you and all of us deserve it. What I am afraid of is that you might think I am threatening your way of life because I'm not falling in step with everything you say exactly the way you want me to say it. I have rights, too. One of those rights is to disagree with the things you say. My disagreement is not a reason to forfeit my life.

    Listening to my dad and my uncles talk about the horrors of living in Nazi occupied Holland makes me a sheep, huh. Yet, I should listen to you. I don't even know you but your "my way or the highway" attitude is not one that I find easy to respect. You don't know me either or what I know about life and it is a lazy and easy way out of a discussion to dismiss everyone who disagrees with you as brainwashed sheep.

    Some of the bloodiest revolutions and oppressive regimes have been due to the efforts of individuals who have rants about freedom that sound quite similar to what you are saying. You would think that humanity has had its fill of war and bloodshed. Apparently not. We will blow each other and this entire planet into oblivion because the war mongers, like yourself, will never grow up.

  65. Nwttp

    Fair enough, luckily people that can think for themselves are starting to wake up.

    "It's a plant. I'm not going to kill someone for the right to have it."

    Well I will, you have to draw the line somewhere. And it's not the right to have it I have aproblem with, it's the right not to go to jail for decades I'm just a tad worried about.

    "Don't start blasting away and tell people that they have to stay out of your way because you want what you want."

    Because I want to be able to walk down the street without being abused? are you kidding me?

    Lemme put it this way. If I could get 51 percent of the population to agree that it's in everyones best interest for you to cut your testies off, your just gonna say ok and do it? A majority can't be wrong you know. THAT IS WHAT YOURE SAYING. illogic carries on, even after all I wrote.

  66. Nwttp

    "The thing is I am not threatening your freedom. I believe that you and all of us deserve it. What I am afraid of is that you might think I am threatening your way of life because I'm not falling in step with everything you say exactly the way you want me to say it. I have rights, too. One of those rights is to disagree with the things you say. My disagreement is not a reason to forfeit my life."

    This is the main thing I have a problem with. You made all that up from nowhere. I said none of that. Simple as this, your rights end where mine begin. I want no laws changed that affect you. What I do with myself and my body are no business of yours.

    Again STOP MAKING THINGS UP TO FURTHER YOUR ARGUMENT

  67. Al Scott

    I really hate the moniker "Conspiracy Therorist" I prefer the PC version "Not Reality Challenged." But, that's just me.

    No one has ever denied that conspiracies exist, however, if anyone should delve into one...Ooooh that person is definitely not right.... In the head.

    Hence, this must be a conspiracy theorist, (roll up the windows) small pity the bible or what passes for journalism isn't subjected to this same scrutiny.

  68. megatron_mcdaniels

    ya all know that the lizards are causing all this negativity too, right? apparently they love to drink the stuff like vampires love blood and homos.
    no offense towards blood, of course.

  69. Glen Hale

    Every 80 odd yrs there has been a depression the next one is forming now, so get ready and USSA will have a civil war people against the fed's

  70. Nwttp

    This is the last I'll say because you have no Ideas I can learn anything from. The only reason I bother with this kinda stuff, is in the rare hope a sheep comes across these comments and retorts and says "ya know what, this nwttp guy with his awesome dog is right" and they wake the f up. I don't see waking you up, and since your against freedom, whether youve been programmed to think that way or not, youre not worth it.

    You said "it is a lazy and easy way out of a discussion to dismiss everyone who disagrees with you as brainwashed sheep."

    I dismiss you because you make things up, lie/and or assume, and use completely unrelated events to further your arguments.
    Anyone who thinks we should be controlled by others because the "majority" thinks they know whats best, is a sheep, or is simple enough to need someone else to "run" their life. Which one are you? Thought I was giving you the longer end of the stick.

    P.S And it's not just you. Look at my comment history. Everyone who feels the need to argue against logic with me uses the same tactics as you. Makes things up, assumes constantly, puts words in my mouth, lies and so on and so on. Only thing I'm happy about is, people like you seem few and far between (at least out of the people that frequent this site).

  71. Dean Edgington

    yeah of course, I agree with you wald0 (often do). There is a marked gulf between them still. No change there but what I have noticed though, there seems to be common ground, at least as far as pointing an accusing finger in the same direction. Both left and right seem to be pissed off at the same people and for some of the same reasons.

    I live in the UK but watch what's going on in the US as much as possible.

  72. Katnea3

    Take a close look at gun sales and trends BEFORE and AFTER President Obama's re-election, and amid recent tragedies. Predictably, Sandy Hook's horrific events have rekindled talk of stricter gun laws, something the NRA has been warning would happen since President Obama won his FIRST term back in 2008. Then the powerful gun lobby/NRA warned AGAIN of a "NEAR CERTAINTY" sweeping gun ban that would be put in place IF Obama was RE-ELECTED. Both elections happened and no changes took place. In fact one New Jersey gun salesman said "I should put the Presidents picture on the wall and name him salesman of the month!”

    I feel the NRA knows EXACTLY what they are doing when it comes to manipulation! They are hosing folks period! The spreading of stricter gun law lies has increased gun sales in the first half of this year close to $2 billion dollars! The total sales for the years end should EASILY EXCEED last years of about $2.7 BILLION! The NRA folks are laughing all the way to the bank AND the "NWO" wears a smirk on their faces because they've successfully set the stage for sheeple fear/rage behaviors!

    Look at who is profiting by increased gun sales and WHY?! What IF its NOT to take US citizens guns away?! What if they actually WANT folks to buy heaps of guns...while encouraging FEAR and TRIGGER-HAPPY MODES of behavior?! They want us to start shooting at one another and EVEN THEM! WHY? Because then they CAN declare MARTIAL LAW and strip us of all our rights, instead of one! We need to connect the dots when it comes to participating in a "2nd Revolutionary War" etc. BTW - I'm NOT saying to turn in your guns to the Government at all! Indeed we need to keep them! What I'm saying is keep a cool head and don't feed into their propaganda lies and manipulations. Use some CAUTION! Understand what I'm saying here....eh?

  73. skibee

    thank God a sensible person...i'm w/ya

  74. markzmen02

    the media keeps it quiet, and noise has to be made for the dulled to be fired up. It has to be a people generated movement, since the legal and financial system is corrupt. I can't believe the two party system has succeeded in subduing American beauty into terror.

  75. markzmen02

    Lizards? vampires? Homos? looks like there might be some Freudian symbolism hiding in the bushes here. Deception sometimes lies in the subconsciousness. I love gays, by the way!!!

  76. Nwttp

    Thanks for the support bro. I don't think I'll ever understand why the average person cannot think logically, and/or for themselves. Been reading a lot of psychology books just to try and slightly fathom it. Alas, I am still clueless.

  77. Giacomo della Svezia

    I agree with Chris Hedges, but I'm afraid most of the people portrayed in this doc wouldn't understand what he's talking about.
    Seeing this doc I get the impression that the US are already dying from within, and the so-called patriots themselves form the gangrene, as they seek a violent solution to a problem that only exists in their paranoid delusions.

    Who should I thank for not being born an American?

  78. megatron_mcdaniels

    no man....actual lizard people....in business suits.
    as for the homos and vampires...idk i just hear things sometime that have the ring of truth to them.

  79. megatron_mcdaniels

    and of course any body who's a homo is probably supposed to be one. it's not their fault that vampires love the gays too.

  80. Jack1952

    I'm not sure what I made up. I am afraid of how revolutionaries might act if they stage a successful coup. It may not be you specifically that could be threatening but others in the movement that may not have a strong sense of right and wrong. I'm not making up that I have this fear. You may even be disillusioned by the outcome of your revolution. Not everything turns out the way one would like and you are only one person.

    Another fear I have is that a revolution could become so disruptive, violent and all encompassing that all would be affected in a negative way. An economy in complete disarray, the infrastructure obliterated, medical and educational facilities rendered ineffectual, just to name a few. Look what revolution did to the former Yugoslavia. Who knows when they will even recover to the pre-revolution days. The only country that didn't suffer from that mess is Slovenia, a country that didn't take part in the violence. I am also afraid of the deaths of millions of non combatants as collateral damage all due to a struggle that could have been resolved in a peaceful manner. It might take awhile longer to negotiate for our freedoms but the awesome strength of modern weaponry could end with an insurrection that could last years with everyone's rights being denied during the fighting.

    There definitely needs to be changes in the world and United States. You would think after thousands of years of destructive wars and still no earthly paradise one would start to realize that maybe armed conflict is not the answer to our problems.

  81. Jack1952

    I still don't know where I have lied. Give me one lie and be specific. Give the lie and show how it isn't true and that I knew it wasn't true.

    Very few revolutions end positively. It leaves countries in shambles, graveyards overflowing, and survivors who must cope with physical and emotional handicaps that will be with them for their entire lives and affecting all who come after them. The price for conflict is high...too high. We have to find a better way to resolve differences or we will destroy everything that we have accomplished. Our weaponry is just too strong.

  82. Nwttp

    Clearly you need to take a class on reading comprehension. So you didn't lie, but you agree you, made things up, assumed, put words in my mouth? Already told you guy, one clearly damaged dude is not worth my time.

  83. Nwttp

    Where are you then? Sure Jack1952 would like to move there with you.

  84. Jack1952

    I live in Canada and the fallout from an American revolution could have devastating effects on our country. We watch American news on tv and most Canadians look on with awe at the incredible antics of our neighbour to the south. Sometimes it seems as if a large segment of that country are victims of a mass viral insanity. Any conversation surrounding current events in the States will invariably prompt someone to observe "Those Americans are out of their *&&)ing minds". Everyone else nods their heads in perplexed agreement. It has the potential to be the best country in the world to live in, yet, its inhabitants seem to constantly sabotage that potential.

    The latest lunacy? The Newton school shootings is a black ops operation set up by the government to take away their guns. Wow.

  85. Matt Kukowski

    @Jack1952

    To explain to our brothers in other countries not of the U.S.

    For thousands of years the Elite or ruling class had their own communication systems and language. But, the common man had no such mass communication. Enter the Internet.

    The Internet was never intended to be unleashed to the Common Man, by the Ruling Elite. Now that the Internet is here... the world is going to see some VERY strange events and discoveries.

    Sandy Hook was set up and staged. Anyone with and an Open Mind and reasonable deduction and critical thinking skills has found this out.

    The interesting thing, is that all this deception has been going on all this time all along! It is only now that the boundary between the Rulers and the Exploited is being dissolved.

    Watch the utube vid on Rockefeller stating we should have never Invented the Internet. He says it right there on TV while in a congressional meeting.

    Never before in history has the entire Globe and all the countries been wired up for communications. We were all living in a Tyranny from DAY ONE. It is only recently has this become common knowledge.

    During this time of transition, a metamorphosis is taking place with the Human Mind, via Novel ideas. But, in time things will settle and in the end we will be left with all the hidden technologies becoming accessible to the common man. The rulers will lose their minds and fight to conserve deception... but eventually the truth gets out.

    Think of the Internet as a Brain upgrade for all peoples.

    I hope this helps my brothers and sisters around the globe.

  86. Jack1952

    You have demonstrated, perfectly, the intellectual malaise of the American psyche that I was referring to, by your comment.

    As an example, watch the Rockefeller video on youtube again. He does not explicitly say the internet should not have been invented. What he says is the following. "It really, almost makes you ask the question, would it have been better had we never invented the internet, and had to use paper and pencil and whatever, and that's a stupid thing to say". He says its a foolish thing to say. Don't read into his statement what you want to hear because his name is Rockefeller and you want it to fit your own perception of reality. He also goes on to say that the internet can be used by almost anyone for nefarious purposes and could potentially cause great harm to the infrastructure of a city or country. A clever teenager could shut down the power of the city you live in or cause NORAD to believe that the United States is under attack by hacking into the appropriate systems by use of the internet. This is how the internet can cause serious problems and that is what he is pointing out.

    Your Sandy Hook comment actually shows that you do not have an open mind. You have responded in the exact way people of your ilk can be expected to respond. Every time there is a shooting, Alex Jones can be depended on to show how this was a staged scenario and the usual folk will nod their heads in knowing agreement. The open minded should not be predictable. Worse, it is almost despicable that one would use this terrible incident as a vehicle to support their own personal world philosophy with only superficial evidence to back up their allegations. Your understanding of the rules of evidence is lacking and this lack of understanding is what is fuelling this call for armed insurrection and is symptomatic of the mindset of these revolutionaries.

  87. Giacomo della Svezia

    You express the same worries that I feel about the US.
    But your words, however sensible and wise, are lost on guys like Nwttp, who live in a world of paranoia and of black and white thinking.
    You're not with them, therefore you're against them and nothing you say will ever reach them.
    Sad, really.

  88. wald0

    I know who you are talking about, i live among them here in the South Eastern US, unfortunately. Trust me though, the vast majority of Americans are not this deluded. The truth is we don't have to worry about addressing these people's objections in the current gun control legislation debate as they, their objections I mean, are clearly insane. The people we do have to address are the ones that have legitimate concerns about 2nd amendment rights. We need to assure them no one is going to try and take their guns basically. I don't think any reasonable person wants all guns to be banned. In fact most liberals I know support banning only the high powered, long range, assault weapons and the high capacity clips, which obviously enable these mass killers to have the most possible impact in the shortest amount of time and are not used for hunting nor common everyday defense. The big thing we are really trying to push though is closing the loop holes that allow certain sells to skip back ground checks or waiting periods, and others that allow guns to be sold out side of the public market by individuals. I think these measures will have more effect than those directed exclusively toward banning a particular type of weapon, ammo, or clip size. But that's just my opinion, for what its worth.

  89. Sieben Stern

    america doesn't have a problem with anything other than education. cause these 'freedum luvers' are certainly uneducated.

  90. globalperspectives

    In all due respect wald0......you really need to educate yourself on the United Nations plan for complete disarmament of not only the United States but the rest of the world as well with the idea that a UN "armed" peace-keeping force is going to "keep the peace" and us all safe around the globe!

    Do some research on the U.S. State Department's plans to help facilitate such dating all the way back to a document they published in 1961 called, "Freedom From War: The United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World".......and then see if you really believe that,"We need to assure them no one is going to try and take their guns basically. I don't think any reasonable person wants all guns to be banned" as you stated in your comments above. Or do some research on the existing UN Disarmament Treaty. All public information.

    And by the way....it is historically factual that the State Department is and has always been dominated by liberals regardless of the political party criminally presiding over the White House.

    Again....no disrespect to you.....but you and others need to understand what American citizens are faced with in the future.....and that is an attempt to disarm the entire globe continent by continent with the U.S. being its number one target.

  91. Travis Purdy

    The revolution is not about gun control, it is about upholding the constitution. The rights of the people. The gun control issue is just another diversion. Homicide doesn't even rank in the top ten killers in this country. The real tragedies are the families that cannot afford food while a mid level manager somewhere is making the salary of ten employees below him. The fact that our trusted leaders have no idea what it is like to be in the trenches with the rest of us Americans. The social and financial system is going to collapse on itself if things continue as they are. The consumer is the most powerful economic force in this country. What happens when there is no money left for the American consumer to spend?

  92. Nwttp

    No wonder you know nothing about what you talk about.

  93. Nwttp

    This jack guy is just a troll.

  94. Nwttp

    LOL. Sorry I know I said I would stop and you were not worth my time, but.....

    "You have responded in the exact way people of your ilk can be expected to respond. Every time there is a shooting, Alex Jones can be depended on to show how this was a staged scenario and the usual folk will nod their heads in knowing agreement. The open minded should not be predictable. Worse, it is almost despicable that one would use this terrible incident as a vehicle to support their own personal world philosophy with only superficial evidence to back up their allegations."

    You are the biggest hypocrite I have had the pleasure of schooling on this website.

    Anyone who would take this guy seriously for even a second, make sure you read ALL of his comments for this vid first!

  95. Överlevare Sobreviviente

    "high powered, long range"
    You do know that the average "assault rifle" has about the same range or less than a hunting rifle? And less power? And that the second amendment is not about hunting or home defense?
    No, you didn´t know any of these things, did you?

    PS It´s called "magazine". A clip is a very different thing and there are no modern military rifles that uses them. DS

  96. Rocky Racoon

    The only reason that "revolution" is necessary is because those who hold power will not give it up democratically. They force people to defend themselves they call these people revolutionaries for defending themselves in the struggle to create a government that the people want of for any by the people. I live in Canada and I sure wish we had the ability to defend ourselves the way US citizens do.

    "If elections changed anything they'd be illegal..."

  97. Rocky Racoon

    Alex Jones people aren't revolutionaries they are reactionaries the political upshot of Alex Jones is the tea party. How revolutionary does that sound?

  98. Rocky Racoon

    from Chattle Slaves to wage slaves....that is what they expected them to do work in the newly industrialized north.
    RR

  99. Rocky Racoon

    Those who cannot be reformed do-no sense sending them into exile where they will try to regroup for the counter revolution. It took almost 80 years to abolish socialized property in the former USSR they should have kept socialized property relations and radically expanded political democracy.

  100. Jack1952

    I can't help but to think back to Hitler in Germany of the twenties. The German people had a lot to complain about but most did not support the Nazi party. His philosophy started from a small group and grew slowly but its momentum seemed to increase as time went on and the economic situation went from bad to worse. What may be a small movement now could develop into a major crisis under the right circumstances. I'm not calling these Americans Nazis...its just that I am afraid of the ensuing chaos a revolution will cause and the ambitious who will take advantage of the situation.

    I think there are many Americans who would like to see the gun laws we have in Canada applied in the United States. We think that they are reasonable and does not impede the hunter or gun enthusiast. We don't like the government and just like people from every other country in the world we complain about our government, either publicly like we do here and the United States (because we have the freedom to do so) or behind closed doors (no freedom on speech). Its just the nature of government and people.

  101. Jack1952

    You sure like name calling and insults. In the last three comments you have stated that I don't know what I'm talking about and called me a hypocrite and a troll and have decided that I'm in need of a schooling. All this because, although I believe that change is necessary, I do not want the violence, destruction and chaos an armed revolution would bring. I don't want to see what is happening in Syria happen to the United States. I believe that positive change can come to America through hard work and the political will of the people. I can't understand what is wrong with that or why it makes you so angry.

  102. Ishmal

    Call them "revolutionaries" ... you mean terrorists.

  103. Ishmal

    Really self education is the only way for the poor to really learn anything other than becoming a selfish, mindless drone with their mind caught on materialism and "swag". These children in adult bodies often stay confined within their own dysfunctional unit, unable to communicate properly with it let alone the outside world. I claim to know nothing but that of my own observations. I am an American, but I won't sit here and lie about being proud of anything about it. nothing more than insight.

  104. Jack1952

    I live in Canada and if I had the weaponry in my possession that Americans are allowed to own, do you know how many times I would have needed them to defend myself? None...zero...never. I am in my sixties and the situation has never come up, neither in my life or in the lives of any of my neighbours and family. I believe that in twenty of so years I will pass on and this hypothetical need will never materialize. If these assault weapons and handguns are not being produced for the general public then it becomes extremely difficult for even a criminal to get them. The only reason we have them, illegally, is because they are so available in the United States and they are smuggled into Canada. This is how the American gun laws, constitution and attitudes impact our country...and there is nothing positive about it.

  105. Nwttp

    LOL. You're Canadian and you've argued for weeks with me in the comments section of a doc called "Americana: The 2nd Revolutionary War" not "the first Canadian revolution". You have proved you don't know what you are talking about and that you are unfit to say otherwise. You have learned about america from t.v and or books, not from living it. The only thing I'm mad about is your waste of my time.

  106. Nwttp

    Then be a man instead. Try not always expecting the government to be your mommy and think about defending yourself, for freedoms sake.

  107. Nwttp

    Ah. A voice of reason.

  108. Jack1952

    I don't even know what that means. Unless you think having a bigger gun than me makes one a man. I'd say that it makes one better equipped and his manhood has nothing to do with it.

    As for your other post, I don't think an exchange of ideas is ever a waste of time...if your receptive and willing to learn. If your intent is to school someone, then you will find that you will only be preaching to the choir. You may not believe this, but I did learn a lot from you.

    I have spent time in the States, so I'm not completely in the dark about the place. You'd be surprised how much our two countries have in common and how much Canada is impacted by what happens in the States. Canadians know as much about the States as they do their own country and many mistakenly believe that some of the American systems are the same here. We know more about the States than Americans know about Canada.

  109. Nwttp

    I don't even own a gun. That's not what freedom is about. Just because I don't feel the need to own something, does not mean nobody should be allowed to.

  110. docoman

    I took your advice, and read the whole thread.

    Your logic and reason leaves much to be desired, not to mention your manners.

    You 'bag' one Canadian because you say he doesn't have first hand knowledge of the US, then praise another Canadian because he believes the same as you.
    And you think you're logical? lol.

    Your little rant about 'stay out of our way' shows your attitude all too well. If you got your way, all you'd achieve is changing who is oppressing whom.
    From one of your rants;
    " Look at my comment history. Everyone who feels the need to argue against logic with me uses the same tactics as you. Makes things up, assumes constantly, puts words in my mouth, lies and so on and so on. Only thing I'm happy about is, people like you seem few and far between (at least out of the people that frequent this site)."

    After that arrogant, incorrect rant, you call Jack a troll, a liar, a hypocrite that needs to learn reading comprehension, just because he doesn't completely agree with you.
    You are the one that misunderstood his post, he didn't place words in your mouth, it was the other way around.

    The most accurate thing I read you post on here is, "Alas, I am still clueless."
    You got that part correct.

  111. Nwttp

    K, so there's three of you now that agree with each other. Wow, must really be getting thru to people. Don't care who agrees with me, (you sure are as good as him at assuming) but I do care who thinks they have the right to govern me. Hah, and yes, I am still clueless as to why people like you think they are better than everyone else, and feel the need to tell everyone how to live. God you're so smart, can you come teach me how to be as arrogant as you? Just don't think I'm as good as you yet. LOL, you really cheered me up, I was having a bad day.

  112. Nwttp

    Oh and, sorry you're so mad about your hemroids, never had em, but I feel for you anyway. (see I can assume I know why someones acting the way they are too) Not like I can be mad at injustice or anything, no no of course not, everyone without the ability to argue with facts, like you, has to say "I'm mad he doesn't agree with me". Did any of your long pointless comment have any basis in the real world? Or is it just in your head? Your post was nothing but name calling, with no evidence to back up any of your claims, not only that but it was also about as hypocritical as possible. And I'm so sick of the "you're so mean" ""argument"", grow up, you sound like a child. If you actually read the whole thread like you said you did, you would see I wasn't the one who started the name calling. However If I did, I wouldn't care. Sorry I get emotional when lesser people try to tell me how to live... I'm a man.

  113. docoman

    lol. If you bother to read, you'll see my basis was from your comments, so actually it was from your mind. Scary hey.
    hemroids ?
    I assume you mean hemorrhoids? They're fine mate, thanks for your concern.
    Glad I could cheer you up mate.
    I'm not dictating who can govern you man, I'm saying, like Jack did, that there are better ways to change things then just threatening anyone that 'gets in your way'. Which is pretty much the gist of your rants.

  114. Nwttp

    And like I said... this

    "I'm not dictating who can govern you man, I'm saying, like Jack did, that there are better ways to change things then just threatening anyone that 'gets in your way'. Which is pretty much the gist of your rants."

    Is based off nothing I said, and IS at least, attempting to put words in my mouth. I'd love for you to try to turn something I said into any kind of threat, other than a hypothetical one, because you will fail.

    And that's fine if that's your(false) opinion, but did it really need a five paragraph name calling rant to get it out there?

  115. docoman

    I wasn't aware you are the only one allowed to rant. You'll have to point out what part of the Comments Policy says that? (the ranting, name calling part was taken from your posts ;)
    I did what you suggested, but not only read Jack's posts, but yours too.
    From one of your posts;
    "You should be fine as long as you mind your own business. Some of us like freedom, and if violence is the only means of achieving said freedom, then so be it. If you don't want to be free, stay out of it."

    It's your way, or watch out. That's pretty clear from that statement.

  116. docoman

    Nice post editing after I answered you too, still didn't correct all the mistakes you ranted though. ;)

    You're not only a man (and that's unproven, you sound more like a child)... you're a fool. An aggressive, possibly dangerous fool.

    There you go, there is the name calling you accused me off. As I said, all previous ones were taken from your posts earlier. That one was all me. ;)

  117. Nwttp

    You did know the military is made up of people right? Something maybe you should think about before you ramble off your opinion. Guns sure as heck can overcome the hundreds in political power, that is of course if you and the majority didn't like being told what to do so much.

    Don't worry, when/if us freedom lovers actually take over, I'll send super nanny over to your house to take care of you and run your life.

    Oh and your second "point"
    "Even if successful, violent revolution throws up even more demented leaders"

    Wow, your lucky to have met everyone ever born or that ever will be born. Can I borrow your time machine? Honestly now, Can you people against freedom do anything other than assume and name call?

  118. B

    Interesting but redundent. Like Mr. Dyer said ther was a movement like this in the early 90's for armed militia's to "protect us" from a tyrannycial government. And as he said it culmanated itself in violence through the bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal building. I think he unwhittingly understood that he was continueing on in that tradition and recokognized the same anger and hate and most of all fear that fueled those people also fuel his "movement." And he also aknowledged that they were pretty much filled with weekend warrior types and I agree w/ that and hope that they stay playing paintball so we don't have to see another American borne tradgedy. I think the contrast of having Chris Hedges talk along side Mr. Dyer was pretty powerful. Hedges as he said was educated in College, became a journalist, and then an Author after that, but besides that he was just a soccer Dad. And hearing him talk about the capitolist system and finacial system failing us is a far better and more persise arguement for what we need to stand against and he did say peacablly stand against. Violence is not the answer to either problem but it seemed to be the only vehichle that Mr. Dyer could steer his somewhat justifiable anger. And by feeding that through internet "popularity" is not a constructive form of dealing with what he sees as injustice. If I were to advise him to do a quick self study I would say take this video and mute everytime he is on camera and mabye he can learn from a more wise source than his internet friends.

  119. Phill Pelling

    Well here we are in 2013, The Occupy World Movement is over and we are still slaves to the Corporations.

    I see all the video of the Occupy Movement and it makes me laugh, Everyone protesting against what the corporate run governments are doing to them. But the whole time people were protesting they were walking around using and consuming there products that give them the money and power to enslave us all. The Occupy Movement just made them RICHER.

    If you want to hurt the Corporations you have to stop there cash flow, STOP PURCHASING THERE PRODUCTS.

    Yes it's that simple....

  120. Eric J. Wickes

    I am not a Communist. But it's very hard to disagree with your point. Which proves another point: Every political philosophy has its inherent good intentions, generally to be phased out for the economic gain of a few, by those who were entrusted to safeguard it. As Homer Simpson says, "In theory, Marge, Communism works." Well, in "theory", so does Capitalism and a "Free Market" system. In South America they were evolving from a "socialist" form of democracy due to their mostly agrarian social structure, but striving to be a democratic republic in some cases as their economies grew more industrialized. We couldn't tolerate that. "Democracy is great as long as nobody else has it." - seems to be the mantra on U.S. foreign policy. So, as communism was sold to your people and eventually highjacked by totalitarian, or pro business fascists, so has capitalism and the "free market" system been sold to us. A wise man once said, "With the meeting of cultures comes an exchange of ideas." I have a friend who is a devout Libertarian. He goes to Amsterdam frequently and talks to people about their socialized form of government. He's not so far off when he jokingly says, "For the most part, they seem pretty happy with it and it seems to be working quite well for them....and that's what really pisses me off!" And then we laugh, because we know that neither his, nor my political philosophy singularly owns ALL the answers to the world's problems.

  121. Eric J. Wickes

    Nwttp: I think Jack has a pragmatic and rightfully skeptical point of view when you look at past revolutions and the results, America's being one of the rare exceptions.
    It is right to suspect any agenda (or group with its own fire power) leading a charge in my name if they have any other intentions besides establishing a new Continental Congress with equal and impartial representation that would indeed represent a cross section of America. You can be sure, Unless that's their game, they better stay the hell away from me, I don't tolerate racism, anti-anything-ism nor someone's version of God and morality being shoved down my throat. I won't stand for some right wing Bible thumpin' redneck who thinks America is a Christian nation and deserves to have God and apple pie shoved down our throats as an answer to our social "ills" nor will I put up with leftist, hand your independence over to some giant collective that will tell you when to wipe your nose. Quite frankly, I'm getting sick of the extremists from both sides, or ALL sides. The solution sometimes becomes just as dangerous as the problem, but what choice is left when things have gotten so out of control and blatantly in our faces? When will we realize that what's been splashing in our faces all these years is not rain? I agree, there needs to be a drastic change and I'm willing to fight. But I don't need any one group, militia, left wing, right wing, whatever... getting in the way of my choices as an American. So, all sides better keep that in mind, cause a lot of us are just regular people who are gettin' real sick of the extremist rhetoric coming from both sides.

  122. revron

    capitolism Is above the law.you need to get that through yr head.this world is ruled by violence,but I guess that's better left unsaid...

  123. Eric

    its not capitalism the problem , its Fascism , America has become a Fascist state .

    Capitalism , just means you work for an exchange of fair pay .

  124. LoggerheadShrike

    That could describe feudalism (or even Soviet communism), so that's not what capitalism is. And the idea of "fair pay" certainly has nothing to do with capitalism, which is all about determining wages and prices by supply and demand, not fairness. The "fair days pay for a fair days work" idea was a slogan invented by American unions during the fair pay campaigns of the 1920s.

  125. Tru

    The backside of freedom (no borders) is a world with people floating around in space, totally lost. I would not consider myself a patriot or nationalist (I live in Sweden), but I want to live side by side with my culture and preserve it. And a culture exist inside the nations. It's apart of my identity.

    What we see going on in the world is "Divide and Conquer" aka opening up all borders. Having 100 cultures merged together in one nation. Religion merging. People with different skin tones. I'm not a racist at all, but when people are going to have scarcity, they will turn against each other. That's the whole point with massive immigration that we see in Europe. USA is going to middle east and trying to evoke terrorist, and create clashes in these countries, which makes people flee to countries in europe.

    It's nothing more than putting a puzzle. When you know the picture they want, you can easily put it together.

    I'm not saying that I'm right, but be careful with the "anti-nationalism" movements that I see.

    And please - respect people that don't want to live in a world without borders. There is a purpose for "borders" or "lines". Because I guess you want to have a border to your neighbour, right?

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