Ancient Aliens
What if life on Earth began in outer space?
Millions of people accept the theory that intelligent life forms visited Earth thousands of years ago and were worshiped as gods by primitive man.
Are monuments like Stonehenge and Easter Island the last remains of an ancient alien visitation?
From unexplainable super structures, to knowledge of the solar system, mathematics, and even the ability to make electricity, this special explores evidence of super-human influences on ancient man and embarks on an around-the-world search for answers.
It’s an investigation into a theory some believe cannot be true, but many agree cannot be ignored.
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fascinating stuff…
I Went looking for this subject matter after watching a few UFO doc’s and found it gave me the information I was looking for. I am by no means convinced that everything in this film is a possible theory but it covered a lot of different ideas.
I would like to say that this was the last doc on UFO topic I want to see, but I cant. The reason is that I absolutely hate beginings of every third sentence Could it be possible that…??? Of corse yes you narrow-minded arogant people! How on earth can someone be so ignorant to try to explain that all around the world countless civilisations have sculpted the same looking figures that are described even today by that nonsense theories the sceptics propose? People please open your eyes…
Unless there is an ambassador from another planet and he or she or ? has the proven credentials, all of this is just speculations. For its type, it is not a bad film. I think it makes more sense to believe there are others out there than we are the only ones; however there is no proof as such so these kinds of films is all we have on the subject matter. Again, it isn’t a bad film and brings up some nice points. I like the idea that it did attempt to bring in an opposing viewpoint although I would not want to be that SETI guy. What a wet blanket.
I think these ancient people were just taking alot of narcotics without knowing the effects of them and leaving their hallucinations to get the better of their imagination.
the look of aliens being little grey men with big black eyes comes from a science fiction write in i think 1898 or around there who was guessing that as technology advances, humans will become more intelligent (hence the big head), small (because technology does everything), and lose pigment but i cant remember why he guessed pigment.
Well, let me tell you all this with some authority, as something of an lay-expert on evolution, and an absolute expert on UFO mythology.
If the aliens exist, (big IF!), and if they look like the “greys”? They do NOT come from another planet. They come from HERE.
Only this planet produces humanoids. All others, with completely different and unimaginable environments, would produce, evolutionarily, animals of shapes and configurations staggeringly bizzare to us, compared to what we know, as Earthlings!
Then there is the argument: “They are robots or drones for the real aliens, or they are our predescesors, or creators from some other world…” and I know all of those ideas…
That’s a huge leap. The most simple explanation is they do not exist, and then one step above that is… they come from here, either time-travel, or from some, heretofor, unknown depths of the ocean, (ala, James Cameron’s “Abyss”).
But there are dozens of explanations besides, “aliens from other worlds…” The most obvious, of course, is… um… a bunch of silly hippie nonsense…
*Randy bows and lets the punishment come*
Oh, and one last thing… I have posted this many times in other rooms…
The idea that our ancient ancsestors needed help to construct the great wonders of the ancient world is racist.
These people; little, brown, yellow, red, SMART people were able to figure out how to do this stuff entirely on their own and it has been proven over and over again. We Europeans were very silly and inept for thousands of years while they built fantastic empires of stone and intricate mythologies! Whitey is just jealous!
This idea should die with Von Donnekin, (or however you spell his Nazi-name! Gosh- I hate that guy!) the german racist that he is…
(Oh, I know he says he’s Dutch… whatever!)
I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion about how everything has come to be; it’s not fair to bash everyone and wishing death on someone because of their belief?? come on, that’s just ignorant. Why can’t people in this world just let people have their opinion and move on. Because the real truth of the matter is NONE OF US WERE THERE at the beginning of time so NO ONE really knows for a FACT what happened and when since we were not there. So lets get real about it. And since when is no human entitled to their opinion? And wishing someone to die over it… that’s wrong. If you don’t think something is true, that is fine, I respect everyone’s opinion and I have my own, but I don’t down someone for their opinion. What is happening to this world were you can’t even say anything without worrying about death threats over a simple theory???
@Morganne
Because racism isn’t a harmless theory, darling. It can/has, and IS, even now, destroying entire nations and peoples.
Do you think that is ok? Just because you want to believe in aliens?
Nuh uh. This is not a harmless theory– this is war against basic human dignity.
You are NOT entitled to that opinion. Sorry.
It is important that I take it away from you. Children should not be allowed to play with guns, for example…
Oh, and BTW, I did not say I wanted to kill Von Dockenock, or whatever the hell his silly-*** name is, I only suggested that his silly-*** ideas die when he does, which should be sometime next year.
Randy, you are much too attached to these ideas and you are getting worked up over nothing. I have to agree with the writer that said we are all entitled to our opinions. To get worked up over any particular idea on this thread is something you need to ask yourself on whether or not you need to meditate, or go for a run or something.
That’s the most id***** doc I’ve ever watched, commercial cr*p.
I would like to say that the theory is true that we evolved and were created by god and his tech. I am the ambassador to the kingdom of the most high. I have the ability to call ufo craft anytime or anywhere and for me they are angels of the 1st degree. if you have any questions please contact me at area code 626- 371-4099 I am the link Robert
someone please call this guy and record it, put it on youtube, then link us all to it.
kthx
why is that the further back u go into history the stranger stories are told in religious books. gods came after beings form the sky an stuff like that
Seems like original story for all religion is based on beings from the sky later translated to gods, maybe because human imagination developed with years early human was not capable of such vivid imagination as we are today, or did they?
Anyway no one knows a sh** even our knowledge of our own history dates back only about 6000 years, the established theories about human evolution and history is full of holes, but it is at least reasonable one, but ******* don’t think that this makes it right, many things were proven wrong especially lately.
until proven otherwise both theories should be considered as viable possibilities.
another thing that bothers me all the way has to do with conventional history it is inconsistent
1. they present ancient men as capable of building huge monuments and they scratch their heads wondering how the hell were they able to pull that off
2. on the other hand they are talking about them as people with poor knowledge of everything, ******* imbeciles, and some of them even didn’t invent writing yet ??
It just doesnt add ?? they are fuc**** contradicting themselves ?? how can I take something for granted from self-contradicting people like that
@saban
The only reason you think there are “holes” is because of a poor quality, “National Enquirer” based education. Myself and my friends with advanced degrees in archeology, paleantology, and anthropology are not scratching their heads. The holes are not where you think they are… they are not, for example, as you imply, fillable with ancient aliens…
And as I have stated above, our culture, even written language, goes as far back as 15-20,000 years. Possibly more. So, again, your statements are based on poor education.
@ Randy,
Sorry, but I thought you said once you are a PhD in World History and Classical Literature? And also went to law school and medical school but didn’t finish? (apologies if you are a different Randy, but I just remembered a Randy talking about it in one of the threads so I just had to check).
stop it randy i think if u have phd from archeology, paleantology, and anthropology than it is even worse than I thought :))
1st writings 20,000 years ago u kidding or what which is that, please educate me :))
no i am joking dont take me seriously, but there is one thing historians should keep in their minds that history was written by conqourers and winners(in war usually), for ex. it is written in egipt text the the pyramids were build by pharaoh k… something are they 100 % sure it was like this
what if that was a smart move from pharaoh to show and exercise his power over his enemies I read somwhere that in 1st ehyptian texts the pyramids were already described as some monuments that existed already when the first settlrers arrived to land of evfrat and tigris
anyway my point is there has been and always will be big discrepancy between the real truth and our history thruth
So whats your name again i forgot since I am writting too much and your name already dissaperad from the screen :))
Take care
@WTC7
Exactly, so, and well remembered. But I hung out with PhD’s from a large variety of disciplines. They used to call me “Dr.-Whatta-Waste-of-Time!” because of my specialties, LOL!
They are all off doing important work around the world, while I am making a living at something completely NOT related to my education! Go figure…
But, our long, through-the-night, and into-the-morning discussion groups were legendary! I learned more from them in one twenty hour session than I ever did auditing classes in college!
(Oh, and, as often as I could, when I was in college, I audited as many classes as I could from every professor that would let me… even in med school, I attended classes on physics and philosophy, etc… I figgered, “hell, I’m paying for this school, I’m gonna get everything I can out of it— even if it kills me!” Which it nearly did many times… my record was 8 days with no sleep… very bad hallucinations!)
@ Randy
That is admirable, thanks for the answer :-)
Sorry if I gave the impression that I have PhD’s in all of those disciplines… However, MY PhD in World History does qualify me as something of an expert in an area in which “saban” clearly is not.
I suggest he look up the work done in the Turkish Ouruks and the subsequent findings in and around that area of a written language that far preceeds even the Sumerians, (long considered the first written language civilization in the Western world at about 10k years ago… now, of course we know that is not true and that isn’t even factoring in the Eastern civilizations…)
That was the impression, but that’s really ok :-). It is still impressive.
It was not my intention to interfere in your discussion with saban and I apologize. I personally believe in the alien visitations in the past and at present time, but I haven’t seen this documentary so I can’t comment on it yet, and I certainly don’t know much (… hmm, almost nothing) about the topic you two were debating :-).
when I last looked into hitory books sumerians had one of the oldest writtings, you see how history changes :))
Take care
If I could add my two cents here…There was a very wise sage who said “everything changes”. That includes human knowledge as we discover more and more about our past. To excuse or simplify our past by inserting aliens from other planets is to take away the achievements that we has human beings have done over the years.
That said, I am not saying it is impossible we don’t have visitors from other worlds. I just don’t think we should factor them in our evolution of ourselves as a species until we have strong and credible evidence of their existence.
As for advanced degrees, one of my favorite writers is Gore Vidal and he is one of the most educated and smartest man I know and he has only a high school diploma. However, he reads a lot. There has been many such thinkers and writers throughout history. I happen to have a few degrees but several of my friends are self-educated and can run circles around me.
randy enjoy your knowledge of modern history while you can, cause you see it will become very obsolete, very soon or a little later, but it will get obsolete you can be sure of that.
and dont take, everything that old farts at universites tell you, as a holy thruth, think with your head :)
peace, i am out
Lori and I are in complete agreement here, pretty much word for word.
In my posts, I used the word “racist” to describe the idea that the ancients needed alien help to create their master-works, but, her/his (I don’t want to presume…), statements on the subject were much less… acidic, I suppose, LOL!
But on every point, total agreement. Even about the advanced degrees… I, too, know people that never went to college and are more knowledgable than I…
But, in our society, without that piece of paper to vouche for you, you generally do not get considered for the big positions, or get taken seriously… *shrug*
Right or wrong, you still that piece of paper, or lamb-skin, depending on how expensive your University was…
(and believe me, as I had to pay for my education on my own, working my way, having no-one to help, except for my scholarships… I couldn’t afford any Ivy-league schools, that’s for sure! Well, ONE top ranked college, but that was a free-ride based on academic merit… but… anyways… no one cares about that…)
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That said, I am not saying it is impossible we don’t have visitors from other worlds. I just don’t think we should factor them in our evolution of ourselves as a species until we have strong and credible evidence of their existence.
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I agree 100% with this, randy leave just a little place in your head for other alternative explanations, you’ll make more friends like that :)
But, in our society, without that piece of paper to vouch for you, you generally do not get considered for the big positions, or get taken seriously… *shrug*
Randy randy where do you live, this way of thinking is so passe, what do you think comes from a person who started school at 7 and finished it at 30, do you really think he is useful anywhere. (usually they continue their careers right there at university – kind of boring isn’t it) my experience is they are usually m***** who just like to talk but at the end it is I and people like me that make the things works.
I am not saying that I am under-educated probably or that all the students finish like that, but most of them do.
lorry
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To excuse or simplify our past by inserting aliens from other planets is to take away the achievements that we has human beings have done over the years.
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this has nothing to do with the reality if humans build it-(my personal opnion also), or if they get help from aliens, the main thing is to get to the bottom of this and find out the real thruth
it doesnt matter who took whose achievements, this would be like putting a blindfold over your eyes and prettend it didnt happen, just so we can keep our precious achievemnts
Saban, there is no proof, none whatsoever, that we had visitors from another world that helped us build the things that we did build as a people. Until then, I think it is more likely that we, the human beings of this world, did it all. Again, we should also keep one eye open for new facts that come down the road because like everything else things change all of the time. For instance, there was a time when it was thought that Neanderthals were thought not to be related to modern humankind. Current DNA research shows that we do carry Neanderthals DNA.
I am not saying we should dismiss any outer space contact and influence, but that until there is good solid evidence it should not be considered anymore than we should consider the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It is fun to speculate on things but until there is evidence of any particular phenomena it is just that, speculation. I would want more out of science than speculation otherwise we would be taking one giant step back into the middle-ages where religion ruled.
Will have to watch doc. Probably will not comment much on this doc, am way outclassed.
Randy,
I am not independently wealthy and had to earn my way through life so having the degrees were more than cosmetic, it was a necessity. It was rough getting through college and the university but well worth it as my positions pay more than it would have if I did not get the degrees I presently hold. Again, like you I was able to obtain scholarships but they don’t pay the entire bill. Still, they were certainly worth the time and effort.
I retired from teaching but returned when a national university offered me a position as a professor. I would not have been offered this job unless I did have the degrees.
I bring this all up because I never stopped reading and being curious about the world. I read in many disciplines and as I said in another post, I have friends without any degrees who are far more intelligent and knowledgeable than I am. They make a living in writing and very successfully I may add.
The key here is knowledge. There is a lot of it in the university and there is a lot of it in books and there is a lot of it in people’s heads. There is a lot of it on this web site. We just have to make up our minds what to accept for ourselves and what parts to throw out. There is no absolute right or wrong answer.
LORRY i tottaly agree with the lack of evidence and that we shouldnt make assumptions without any concrete evidence.
” Flying Spaghetti Monster” it’s a good one is it the one from futurama ?
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The key here is knowledge. There is a lot of it in the university and there is a lot of it in books and there is a lot of it in people’s heads. There is a lot of it on this web site. We just have to make up our minds what to accept for ourselves and what parts to throw out. There is no absolute right or wrong answer.
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exactly and that is why it is even more important to use your own head to connect the dots.
Speaking on the matter of historical speculation, history itself can be considered a myth of sorts. We may never know what is “actual” simply because we are inseparable from the “history” or myths that we create. Although I found the film to be very entertaining and engaging, i also found that the authors’ reaching efforts to concretize mythology and religion embarrasing at times. Also, if one is going to call this theory racist, which I completely understand, then should not one also consider that every time that a degree from one of our educational instituions is referenced to qualify or legitimize one’s opinions to be a racist statement–being that those institutions are part of the very machine that comprises institutional racism, and that those degrees all to often go to those who reap the benefits of white privilege? Just some thoughts.
Jay, I am not sure I understand your post. You layer your message with assumptions that are numerous– maybe too many to go into here.
Going into history as myth, yes people are people and they are fooled by their cultural bias so that what one assumes is true during one period of time may be disbelieved in another. However, most historians do need some proof to believe one interpretation of history and there are other disciplines involved in the history of aliens involved in our past such as anthropology and archeology.
I think at one time, some educational institutes could be thought of as biased or even racist but I am not so sure now. Universities and colleges certainly require a certain amount of work before they confer their degrees and many people graduating are not reaping the benefits of white privilege. Still, many things change all of the time.
Your argument is slippery to say the least and filled with stereotypes of the human condition and no one could dismiss that but to dismiss the work of human knowledge in one paragraph as you seem to be doing is a bit like my old professor would say an oversimplification of the facts. Perhaps I am doing the same, but as I said I don’t think I understood your post completely.
I see what you mean. Let me clarify. What you are calling assumptions of mine are simply musings or questions in response to what has been posted. Please forgive my post-modern and possibly sarcastic slant to things, but even our use of the word “facts” can be deconstructed. My comments with regards to racism about the theory were in response to another comment. If one is going to assert institutional racism to this theory, then one might as well apply that same line of thinking to the system that they use to qualify their statements–such as an education from a Euro-based system that was born out of the assumed effort to suppress knowledge and oppress a people. If my previous commentary appears a bit free-floating, then that reflects the nature of what I am responding to.
Everything and anything can be deconstructed. That does not help with the communication which is the function of a comment page as I understand it. Perhaps each of us can direct our statements to a specific issue so the lesser skilled and intelligent of us can understand the issues that are being discussed. No criticism is intended here.
I have the advantage of being educated in an American university but teach in a non-European university and frankly don’t notice the difference between the two at least on a personal experience basis. Perhaps the system might be looked upon as an effort to suppress knowledge and oppress a particular people as it was in California when I went to school many years ago. I would say the professors and teachers in general were not then part of that system and are now where I teach. It is a conflict that is never resolved not in the past and certainly not now.
I would have to go along with Marx and Engels that institutions in general and that includes religion are created primarily to support the existence of the state.
The documentary that was viewed and started the discussion reflects a minority viewpoint that is not supported by the mainstream of European/American institutions because it does not reflect favorably on their existence. It also does not exist in the sciences because there is no basis for it as yet but then black holes did not exist until recently either. Ideas filter back and forth into and out of the mainstream of human thought all of the time. Its human nature.
I hope I have not let my musings go out of control and sacrificed the communication that is so important here. I hope you can rope in yours so that I can understand your words a bit better for I have enjoyed this exchange.
Agreed.
Where others see unsupported & or biased claims I see possible clues left behind by many ancient civilizations. I see the possibility of an advanced culture sharing knowledge & technology. Now does that mean this “advanced culture” came from another planet??? Who knows. We can discuss the alien belief/disbelief till we’re blue in the face, {or our fingers bleed}. Yet nothing will change at the end of the day we will still have drawings, text, paintings, hieroglyphs, & eyewitnesses from all the corners of the planet describing “The Star Gods” How can we ignore the possibility in light of so much evidence? I’m not saying I 100% believe in Aliens & UFOs therefore you should also believe, I’m saying let’s not be so fast in convincing ourselves one way or the other without taking into account all the ancient clues left behind and then ask ourselves why would our ancestors build, draw, say, write, believe in the Star Gods who visit earth.
agreed, but who is to say nothing would change, remember finding extraterrestrial life is after all the holy grail of astro.
everything would be crystal clear if they would find some monuments on some other planet
@saban who wrote:
” Flying Spaghetti Monster” it’s a good one is it the one from futurama ?”
Good god, man! Crack a book for Batman’s sake! Stop watching TV!
Someone earlier in this post was talking about the Indian books that talk about flying vehicles. (I will not try and spell the name of the book… I have enough trouble with English words!)
But, I have read the entire text as translated into English, and I have had an Indian woman read it to me from the original sanscrit…
Um… saying that these ancient people were not imaginative enough to write a really cool science fiction story that was prophetic is, again, racist.
I mean, Gene Roddenbury, HG Wells, Arthur C Clarke, Frank Herbert, etc all wrote stories that eventually were turned into reality. These men did not have any extra-terrestial help to create these things.
Also, in the Indian novel they describe elephants and tigers with wings. Do you think they actually “saw” these animals?
(I think I wrote this dissertation in another thread… I am sorry Vlatko if I am repeating myself here…)
Randy, you wrote:” Gene Roddenbury, HG Wells, Arthur C Clarke, Frank Herbert, etc all wrote stories that eventually were turned into reality. These men did not have any extra-terrestial help to create these things.”
No offense, but I was not aware that the above authors’ work has been turned into reality. I think it is your turn to hit the books. Gene Roddenbury created the original Star Trek Series. That is still in the future along with Mr. Spock. H.G. Wells and his wonderful time machine is still not a real invention. Arthur C. Clarke and Hal are very much in the future as well. Frank Herbert and the worm are no where near anyone’s real scientific world. If you had said Francis Bacon or Galileo I would agree.
As for the Flying Spaghetti Monster, it has its own manifesto and website. The last time I heard it was orbiting around Mercury. It is very big in Poland.
Please note:(From the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster)
“The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, while having existed in secrecy for hundreds of years, only recently came into the mainstream when this letter was published in May 2005.
With millions, if not thousands, of devout worshippers, the Church of the FSM is widely considered a legitimate religion, even by its opponents – mostly fundamentalist Christians, who have accepted that our God has larger balls than theirs.
Some claim that the church is purely a thought experiment, satire, illustrating that Intelligent Design is not science, but rather a pseudoscience manufactured by Christians to push Creationism into public schools. These people are mistaken. The Church of FSM is real, totally legit, and backed by hard science. Anything that comes across as humor or satire is purely coincidental.”
http://www.venganza.org/about/
Gene Roddenbury spoke of things that came to pass, like cell phones, (the man that invented them was a complete Star Trek fanatic), or medical “beds” that could analyse disease, (MRI’s?)
HG Wells spoke of rockets to the moon almost a hundred years before it happened.
Arthur C. Clarke invented the geo-synchronous orbital satellite based on one of his short stories. (Without which you would have no cell phone…)
Frank Herbert wrote “The White Plague” and “The Green Brain”, as much as I loved DUNE, I think these works were far more prophetic.
Oh, and let us not think about Phillip K. D*ck and his powerful works that seemed to span all of time… Especially his “Black Iron Prison” series…
Oh, and do let us speak of Ray Bradbury and his many, many prophecies of the future…
Do not attempt to lecture me on science fiction, my dear.
Oh, and Ben Bova, or Huxley, and the list goes on and on and on…
Great visionary men, and women, (I will site Ursula K. LaGuin, she had big chops and her stories were VERY prophetic!)
Hey, how about D.C. Fontana? A woman who wrote a large portion of the Star Trek series and some of the best episodes…
How about Harlan Ellison? His “Deathbird Stories” were incredibly visionary…
Hey, let us not forget Kurt Vonnegut! Every single thing he wrote were (was?), many centuries ahead of his time.
Have I made my point?
@Lori
Do you know the orgin of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Do you know how far it goes back? Who first proposed it as an antithesis for a god-creature?
Without googling it… that is just lazy…
Hey, Lori?
Weren’t we agreeing with each other a few posts back?
What just happened here…?
I liked you and then you got all up in my grill…
Did I offend you in some way? I tend to do that…
Or, more likely, I may have just misjudged your post as I am wont to do…
Perhaps it was my “knee-jerk” reaction?
If that was the case then forgive me, you sound like a very intelligent person, and I do not want to offend you!
BUT, don’t get all up in my grill!!!
Randy, my mind belongs to no one. If you are going to bring up writers that were ahead of their time then mention what they were ahead of their time with. As for the other writers, you did not mention them. I did not say they were not ahead of their time. On the contrary, you were arguing with someone else and being vague. I hate points that are vague. I like to discuss specific points and I wasn’t lecturing to anyone about science fiction. I, myself, write science fiction and fantasy.
I am aware of the beginnings of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I think most people who have weighed in on the teaching of creationism in the public schools and other such problems are. I am a strong believer in the separation of church and state.
You did not offend me although I am not happy with the term “getting up in my grill” as these comments are published all over the world and slang is not always understood in all countries by all people who speak English but then I am guilty of that at times. For instance, I am not in a English speaking country as I write. It is best to use standard English here.
Try and be as exact as you can and stick to the subject at hand and not allow emotion to rule your fingers. People are absolutely no good at reading other people’s minds. They have only the words on the screen to go by.
As I wrote, my mind and my words that I write belong to no one but myself. I make no apology for that. I am my own person.
@Lori, I was being playful and friendly with you, but now, you are just p*ssing me off, you treacherous snake woman!
How much more specific can I be for you? I wrote out many of these author’s names and pointed to their books. I held them up to your face.
Shall I transcribe 40,000 pages of text right here on Vlatko’s blog to prove to you that I am well read and well versed on the subject?
I assumed that you were, as well, which is why I didn’t think I needed to write it all out and point to every written word.
But, I certainly CAN do that, if you wish. My library is extensive.
And, almost every country in the world loves the slang of America… either loves it, or hates it, but they do understand it.
Do NOT get all up in my PhD grill!
I am sorry… you made me a little cranky there…
@lory who wrote:
” Flying Spaghetti Monster” it’s a good one is it the one from futurama ?”
Good god, man! Crack a book for Batman’s sake! Stop watching TV!
:)) I know :)
just one question how old are u ? either u are extremely old or just really boring ;))
Randy, you did not state the names of the books in question only the names of the authors. How am I to know what parts of their work you are referring to?
Name calling is so emotional and immature. I don’t care how many Phd’s you have, that does not cut it in the academic world. I know because I am there too.
The purpose of communication is to do just that, communicate and slang takes away from that. I don’t know where you get your information that people around the world understand slang. I am a professor of ESL and they do not understand it. If they did, I would be out of a job.
You mentioned or at least infer that you have a PHd and surely in order to achieve that you must write papers and continue to do so on an academic level in order to keep your job in an university. To do that, you must remove the emotion out of your words and write clearly and unemotionally.
Lastly, I did not do anything to you. You did it to yourself. You, alone, are responsible for your own mental health and what you communicate to others the same as I am responsible for my communication.
Please, let us return to the subject at hand and stop these personal attacks. If not, I can no longer communicate with you.
@saban
HAHAHA! Yes, I am both. Extremely old and extremely boring!
Although, I love FUTURAMA as well…
I am not just old and boring? I am old and bitter and cynical.
Often I am cranky… I apologize for that…!
@Lori who wrote:
“Randy, you did not state the names of the books in question only the names of the authors. How am I to know what parts of their work you are referring to?”
That is not entirely true. I did write about “The White Plague” and “The Green Brain”
Also, “Deathbird Stories”
But again, must I list every single book that I have ever read on this subject? Can you not simply assume that I am well read and versed on this subject?
I mean, haven’t you read every Kurt Vonnegut novel that he ever wrote? Every short story?
I just assumed that you were as well read as I.
My fault, it seems…
Oh, I also mentioned PKD’s “Black Iron Prison”…
And I could talk about Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson… and just MANY, MANY more!
How much do you need from me?
Do I need to list the scripts that D.C. Fontana wrote for Gene Roddenbury?
Ursula wrote “The Left Hand of Darkness” and the “Lathe of Heaven” powerful stuff.
I mean, I could really go on like this all night.
My point was, science fiction has ALWAYS been around and the Great Indian peoples were totally HIP to that, dude!
Nicely controlled from the start Randy…Are you an Alien?
@rich miller
No. YES! I mean, there are no aliens! I’m just saying… I am not part of the cover-up!
Seriously… I ain’t one. (Maybe…)
Kidding! I kid you humans, because I love!
Wait…
Thought as much!
I realized that I spelled Vonnegut’s name wrong… let me fetch my books…
Hold on…
No, I was actually correct. Kurt Vonnegut. “Cat’s Cradle”– “Ice 9″, “Slaughterhouse Five…”
Or, there is William Peter Blatty who wrote “The Exorcist” (one of my favorite comedies…) But, he, a catholic trained Jesuit Priest who lost his faith and became a writer, Also wrote a science fiction novel called “The Ninth Configuration” Similar to “Slaughterhouse 5″ it was made into a movie in the seventies… eh… the book was better…
Now, don’t let me try and spell Robert Heinlien… “The Cat Who Walks through Walls…” or, “The Number of the Beast”…
I can get those books out if you’d like…
Actually, I made a mistake there… “Ice 9″ was a computer/biological virus that Vonnegut created for his novel “Cat’s Cradle”.
I used the two as if they were a seperate story… that is unforgivable…
Everyone needs to read a great deal of Kurt. I thik I will read “Cat’s Cradle” again, tonight…
@Randy:
Robert A. Heinlein, I have Red Planet, Tunnel in the sky, The Menace from Earth, Space Cadet, Have space suit will travel.
Yes, yes… Starship Troopers, my friend!
Incredible read…
Stranger in a Strange Land???!?!?!?! Ok. Now, I’m excited…
@Achems
I “grok” you, man…
Um… that is from “Stranger in a Strange Land…” not *** or anything…
You see, there was this guy that was raised on Mars by Aliens and in their language, the word “grok” meant to understand…
In the seventies there were t-shirts that said, “I grok Spock…” you see…
It was a whole thing… you had to be there…
However, Heinlien’s more pulpy, alien stuff really doean’t work with my posts.
A prolific writer, he had many stories that were prophetic, and scientifically based, and many more thay were Alien based…
I mentioned his more scientific novels, although “Number of the Beast” his last novel before he died, just seemed really sexually creepy…
Yes, I have lot of science fiction novels among other types of books, about 20 Asimov.
Don’t read as much as I used to, with the advent of internet, used to read up to 2 books a day, had about 5 or 6 going at one time. (LOL)
Yes, of course, Asimov is another fine example.
I struggled with his “Foundation” series but, “I, Robot” well, all artificial intelligence that we develop today has much to owe to Asimov, of course…
The Asimovian Law.
Will read one that I have recently acquired, called “Red Mars” by Kim Stanley Robinson, 1993 first edition hardcover with jacket. supposed to be scientifically accurate.
So says Arthur C Clarke:
“A staggering book…the best novel on the colonization of Mars that has ever been written”
I think I read that book… I will look at my card index…
Yes, I am that old and dusty, I use card indexes for my library instead of computers… mock me as you will…
Well, if you have the book, it is probably worth a few bucks, just checked mine on internet, worth 4 to 5 hundred US. at AbeBooks:First Edition Books
I do not have it… but that is very interesting! I have an entire shelf of “Mars” books, lol… but not that one…
Very nice for you! I will look for it, my own self…
And, thank you, Achems, for bringing it my attention!