Buying the War

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Buying the War

Over a decade ago Bush administration forced the United States into a war so poorly prepared and executed it soon turned into a complete catastrophe. The fact of how the bureaucrats misled the country has been already expressed, but they couldn't have done it by themselves; they needed an obedient and docile press, to propagate their disinformation as actual news and encourage them to continue to do so.

Since then thousands of people have perished, and many are suffering and dying to this day. Yet the story of how the media was sold to the White House has not been elaborated in depth. If we look back at the moments before the invasion, we'll see that the US media relinquished its liberty and doubt to a great extent to accompany the US government in advancing to war.

Two weeks before he'll command America to war, President Bush calls a media conference to convince the people for removing Saddam Hussein from power. His administration has been persistent to associate Iraq with 9/11. Many times during this meeting he will call upon 9/11 and Al Qaeda to legitimize a deterrent attack on a country that has not assaulted America.

The seed of this story lies in the terror of 9/11... Like everyone else media was bewildered by the horror and havoc on that day. As people responded to the barbarity of a terrorist attack a flood of unity spread across the country. And as the military prepared to attack the terrorists, there was almost zero tolerance for condemnatory inspection by the media. Walter Isaacson was then Chairman and CEO of CNN.

When American forces attacked the terrorist in Afghanistan, the media across the country started to report the civilian casualties. But soon, the "patriot police" came and started to influence the news. Isaacson sent his staff a memo: "it seems perverse" he said, "to focus too much on the casualties or hardship in Afghanistan." And he instructed his employees to balance the images and stories of civilian killings with reminders of September 11th.

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99 Comments / User Reviews

  1. rngfarrell

    This makes me so angry I can't even watch it. Please somebody tell me how it ends.

  2. Lancev32

    But but but... BUSH! Was more than just GW that "forced" the US into War... Libs have a very selective memory....

  3. a_no_n

    You're right. Fox News, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Condolesa rice also did their bit.

  4. happyMephisto

    What is happening right now is exactly what Dwight D. warned us about.A bloated and tedious military lollygagging about the world looking for someone to bully.(by statesgirls and generals who seem to have doubts about their masculinity)but this time they have picked upon a target who can bite back just as hard as they can.And if pushed-THEY WILL.

  5. dmxi

    ....& one should consider that it's getting worse!

  6. Fabien L'Amour

    I wouldn't limit it to Fox News, it was really hard to find contrarian views on the war at the time in the American mass media.

  7. pwndecaf

    We lose...

  8. a_no_n

    yeah right! a good point. By blaming it all on Fox news i'm letting everyone else in the media off the hook for not doing their jobs properly either.

  9. sonibvc

    Why is these debate still on? Its clear to everyone outside the usa that the americans did the 9/11 themselves so they could an excuse for wars....all contries use similar strategies i dont see why usa should be any different.

  10. AllanA

    Man we lost hella big time! We had some stature and the world was behind us after 9/11. All that quickly vanished after the wars started!

  11. reallyskepticalguy

    It is not "clear to everyone outside the usa (sic)". I live outside of the USA and don't believe for a moment that the American intelligence communities could pull 9/11 off. I'll follow the general rule of Occam's razor in matters like this.

  12. awful_truth

    I have always enjoyed Bill Moyers, and for that matter PBS (frontline) for their ability to ask the tough questions. This is a great documentary, in that it acknowledges the inherent weakness of professional journalism, especially after 9 11. With that said, there were many people around the world raising important facts and questions, (couldn't get air time) that basically all the major media outlets were ignoring.

    This to me, is no different than trying to find an economist who wasn't supporting the status quo prior to the collapse of 2008. (they exist, but you will not find them on television, or working for any of the major players in investment banking)

    I guess the real question is why would anyone listen to journalists, or economists to begin with, as long as they are 'plugged in' to the big boy's club? Perhaps the lesson to be learned is how many of these so called experts, and pundits have been brought to justice, or exposed after the fact? The only one I can think of was Scooter Libby, who was subsequently given a presidential pardon after being found guilty for ousting Valerie Plame as a CIA operative. (revenge for her husband Joseph Wilson's letter to the media confirming that Iraq did not receive nuclear material - yellow cake)

    In reality, nothing has changed since, and few people have awoken from their dogmatic slumber. The situation in the Ukraine is no different. I posted some important facts, and questions regarding an article on Frontline PBS, only to have it removed from the site, and 'deemed as spam'. This was several days after it was passed by the moderators. The most disturbing part was this was on Frontline PBS, one of the few places I felt that was actually interested in the truth, and asking the tough questions. (kind of like finding out there is no Santa Claus at age 6 - what a let down)

    2 weeks before the first bombs dropped in Iraq, I got a chance to speak to Allan Gotlieb (ex Canadian ambassador to the U.S) on CBC television during a phone in. After stating some raw facts regarding the track record of the U.S for breaking international law, I asked the simple question, "who is going to keep the U.S in check?" Of course he couldn't answer the question, because the result would not weigh favorably for him in the future. (can you blame him?)

    The awful truth is, 'the truth' is only a threat to those who have the most to lose from it. Yes, It may eventually surface long after the fact, and only if it serves their purpose. (when no one guilty will be held accountable)

    For myself, and many others, the second Iraq war was a scam from the get go, and obviously had nothing to do with 9 11; not because we were purvey to special information, but because we were not scared to apply the sniff test, (critical thinking) and call people on their bulls**t.
    Ergo, asking tough questions after the fact, (like this documentary) may have value, but it ultimately falls on deaf ears because there is nothing at stake, and it pales in comparison to those who risk everything, when it can actually make a difference! (Phil Donohue, Bill Maher) Take care, and best wishes everyone.

  13. awful_truth

    @a_no_n: Since apparently no major media outlet or their journalists did their jobs properly, (exceptions, Phil Donohue, Bill Maher) perhaps people's time would be better spent turning off the television, and go fishing. Note: It would seem that the millions who protested all around the world before the war, only proved that their time was wasted as well.

  14. Horst Manure

    Workers in the CIA were shorting air line stocks before 9/11 they knew what was going to happen and airlines would be on the nose for awhile.
    And so now we are getting ready to go again pick a fight with any one just pick any country and lets go.

  15. Horst Manure

    This is no different than some medieval fool pointing to some innocent and proclaiming he/.she is a witch and sadly people to this day support this war...Bush Dumbasfelt et al have moved on collected their pension and promotion and retires in grace.

  16. Francis

    Oil, that's why...Iraq is the 7th world oil producer...Syria is the 32nd and not profitable to justify invasion despite the brutal civil war...

  17. Tim Blair

    Surely you have evidence of CIA staff shorting stocks. I think you may have listened to that i*iot Alex Jones a little to much perhaps?

  18. sonibvc

    Pulling Off is not needed here. All that is needed is to encourage the perpetrators (indirectly give them the idea) and then just turn a blind eye and let it happen naturally!

  19. DougDeGrave

    Alex Johens won't mention the Mossad and Israeli involvement. His "inside Job" mantra is all part of the counter-intelligence program.

  20. DougDeGrave

    Most of the contextual evidence points to Israel and its dual citizens
    working in government agencies. We all know who's controlling our media
    and government propaganda, and the corporations that fund and lobby
    their Zionist agendas.

  21. pat

    This piece seems to me, to be a poor attempt at exoneration of the media as being 'swept up' rather than bought off, by corporate government rule that openly uses propaganda to sway public opinion.
    There is no patriotism among the heads of corporate governance.. they will ship patriotic trained human beings to kill and be killed under the guise of "God and Country" when the real agenda is for furthering Imperialist corporate revenue streams or to break ground for the corporations of USInc to get into virgin territory to establish the commerce system and central banking like they've used coca cola to do since Germany, and Vietnam. Coca-Cola and Mcdonalds are the flagships that have been planted as soon as possible after invasion.
    We have believed that Vietnam was a senseless lost war but if you check the dates, you'll see that the powers that started it got Coke and McDonalds into Vietnam shortly after peace was declared. You'll find suspicious timing of Coke/McDonalds in Iraq even before Saddam was tried, shortly after invasion as Saddam wouldn't allow US corporations to have a presence.
    Go search Venezuela and the battle over coca-cola and the 'death' of Chavez, or even the history of Libya, and why Ghaddafi was portrayed as he was in the media.
    All of those countries refused to let outside corporate commerce into their countries, and denied central banking, ultimately leading to them being put on a hit list.
    This so called government is not the American government we were taught to trust and respect, its become a global corporate governance with the interchangeable titles of president/CEO, pretending that the constitution is still something of importance for the show to the half interested TV viewer, while blatantly shitting all over every so called right and freedom we in America have been hypnotized into believing is still real.
    There is a corporation called the United States, which is an incorporated entity, and the story of the United States of America which was superseded in Bankruptcy twice, the last in the 30s as the banksters pulled the rug from under an over inflated economy to steal back the land and place the country into receivership.
    Since then every birth must be recorded in a hospital with a record that it monetiized, because each of us is the surety for that bankruptcy to keep this facade afloat. The gold and silver was removed from circulation and from backing the paper currency... so these debt notes we consider money are IOUs, and we as the human energy that keeps the system running are the "full faith and credit' of the commerce system. This is why they want to track our every move. They've put a value on each of our lifetime of revenue and energy, equated to a sum and if we are not in their territory they can't exact that sum whether through labor, taxes or the medical and insurance costs or through the courts, family law, criminal penal system. This is why the war on drugs, they protect those manufacturing and supply chains but once they are here, it makes for a great revenue stream. Criminalization which we all know is verrrry profitable.

    This is a brutal machine that doesn't give a rats ass about human beings lives or standard of life, it's only concern is how much profit this quarter, and global domination. These shilll media talking heads should be held accountable and all should see the media for what it is. This half ass attempt at holding a few scum reporters accountable falls far short because all of them are guilty today as propaganda and fake terror events are staged and reported just like the puppets they are.

  22. Norman Van Rooy

    Interestingly the day after the world wide demonstrations against the Iraq war (the largest in the history of the world) I was flipping through the news channels for half an hour trying to find out more about the protests and only came across one report in some obscure country. Talk about self censorship. There were no bad apples in the barrel--the whole damnable barrel was rotten starting at the top.

  23. awful_truth

    I completely agree with you Norman. (couldn't have said it better myself) You know, it is ironic. Western society loves to boast regarding our freedom of the press, relative to countries like Russia; however, in reality, the only real difference is that most of the people in the east know they are not free, while many in the west think they are. I leave you with a paraphrase from Albert Einstein.
    " Man, like any other animal, seldom considers his own situation unless goaded by circumstance. As a young man, I too went through such a phase, acting, and trying to be like one's fellow. Communism, socialism, nationalism, militarism, etc, while constituting diverse political ideologies, ultimately all lead to the subjugation of the individual by the state, putting an end to liberty, and freedom".
    Take care, and best wishes Norman!

  24. awful_truth

    Don't forget about Slick Stainee, Roll and Pow, and Maxmyvisawife!

  25. larm007

    There was info out there before we actually went to war, but you had to really want to research it. Most Americans just believed what they heard. Scott Ritter (weapons inspector--none found), Ambassador Joe Wilson (researched selling of yellowcake out of Africa to Iraq--found not true) , Bush's Chief Counter-Terrorism Advisor Richard Clarke's book "Against all Enemies" and The Plan for the New American Century (written in the early 90's by Wolfowitz and signed by mostly neo-cons (saw Dan Quayles sig on it, though) and it was proposing American Globalization and US space supremacy. It's where you'll find the phrase 'another Pearl Harbor' being necessary for the public to get behind our going to war again. The reason I wanted to research this so much? I believe shenanigans got Bush into the White House in the first place. The idiocy in Florida (where I lived) notwithstanding, SOTUS wasn't using the Electoral College and so it would seem more than reasonable to use the popular vote where Gore was ahead by a little over 500,000 votes. I was a Republican at the time, but voted for Gore because of his environmental views. I started reading and nothing that was reported on TV was substantiated and voices against war were heard on Free Speech TV but nowhere on mainstream news. This whole chapter in our history is catastrophic and inordinately shameful.

  26. Fabien L'Amour

    As if terrorists never came up with suicide bombings ideas before. 9/11 was only a variant of an age old idea, no need for outside influence to combine hijacking with kamikaze.

  27. awful_truth

    If I am reading sonibvc correctly, his point was that even if 9 11 was not an inside job, they had plenty of Intel it was coming,(even encouraged it) and they allowed it to happen to rally the American public's support for their invasion of Iraq! (sounds bang on to me)

  28. DocHollywood_2

    It could have been worse, Obama could have been in Commander and Chief.

  29. Fabien L'Amour

    Questionable. One would think self preservation would force the Administration to try to stop kamikaze attacks on the White House. And the military would want to avoid an attack on the Pentagon. If they had knowledge and let it happen, they are dumb as boards since they had no idea if they could be the ones destroyed by those attacks.

  30. awful_truth

    Cheney was calling the shots from an impenetrable bunker under the white house getting updates every 5 minutes; Bush was far away in relative safety talking with school children. (excluding his silence, sitting blank for 7 minutes) When you consider they had received 2 Israeli Mossad memos informing them what week it would happen, they were in no real danger. Everyone else who wasn't in the loop was expendable. (the more the merrier when you are hoping for a 'Pearl Harbor event' to rally the public to initiate plans for Iraq. (Their words, not mine - Project For a New American Century think tank)

  31. sonibvc

    You are a bad person for thinking that the "leaders of the Free World" are capable of such acts! They are all good old guys that give out bread and biscuits on the squares of foreign capitals :)

  32. sonibvc

    I dont know about it. You may be right, but I am wary when jews are blamed for everything. Sure, there is no smoke without fire, so they do deserve some of the blame, but all of it? We are all good and they are all bad? Reminds me of the old joke " You know a jew was responsible for sinking the Titanic? Really? Who? His name was Iceberg :)"

  33. sonibvc

    I am not an american and I do not harbor ANY negative feelings towards americans. However, I do despise the government's foreign policy. I think at the end of the day it is the average american who pays the price and that is just wrong!

  34. Fabien L'Amour

    That assumes they knew which plane would hit first. If the terrorists that hijacked flight 93 had been in an earlier flight, they might have hit the White House before Cheney was in that bunker. I think it's a stretch of imagination to assume they knew.

  35. Sacco Svd

    My only question is, why if this is so clear why aren't these guys behind bars? Why is the North American people so slow about this?

    And, is there anyone who still believe 9/11 wasn't staged by the Bush administration itself as the perfect excuse to start it all?

    Just a remark, is not "America at war" as the MOFO news said, is "The United States of America at war" ....people from Mexico all the way down to Chile had NOTHING to do with this genocide.

  36. chard01

    And it was all so Hokey,badly Acted and Scripted and yet it got a 2 Trillion Dollar Budget" Days of our Lives Washington"

  37. dmxi

    couldn't have put it better myself!

  38. pat

    Apparently the reply I tried to post was not approved due to urls, so I'll try to point you to one of the hundreds of eye opening videos to give you another perspective.Follow the money; Search this title-
    "Hard 9/11 Truth - Conspiracy of 9/11 Money - See the Motives, Technology & Plausible Deniability"

  39. pat

    We believe everything the media shows us, but what if the plane was created by video technique- I'm not posting the link because my last post was blocked due to links, but if you search you tube for this title " 07 The Key" on Collin Alexanders channel, I think it may cause you to go, hmmmm... could it be?

  40. pat

    Its up to us collectively. We create the future unless we leave it to others and their plans. It starts with raising your own consciousness and being aware of what you take in.

  41. Fabien L'Amour

    It could if there weren't hundreds of witnesses.

  42. pat

    Were there? The only witnesses we who weren't there heard from were interviewed by media, selectively. I saw it on TV. over and over again. Watch "9/11 No Plane Witnesses"
    I also never heard a word about building 7.
    As for real witnesses, do a search on the deaths of 911 witnesses.
    search the pentagon missile
    search building 7
    thermite and the corp of engineers and on and on.
    I used to call it nutty until I saw the missing wing section in the infamous media video, as it passed by a building in the background, look at the video- seriously, take a day and look at the evidence. You can discern and weigh it out.
    I have taken many days to research over the years because the ramifications are too important not to. Just to realize how easy it is to visually convince us of something. And like Wag the Dog, wonder how many times we've been duped. Holograph or real, nothing but dust and molten lava remained for weeks shooting from underground, and strategic targets taken out on a deadline. watch "911 conspiracy solved names, connections,details exposed"

  43. UBK

    Cui bono ?
    1. Watch, September 11: The New Pearl Harbor.
    2. How was it done ? See, Prof.Judith Woods: Where did the Towers go ?
    3. Which people believe they are destined to rule the world and all that is in it ?
    4. How many of them were members of PNAC ?
    5. How many of them have dual nationality ?
    6. If these questions do not fit as pieces of a jig-saw, how many more do you need ?

  44. UBK

    Q. What was the original name of the war plan ?
    A. Operation Iraqi Liberation.
    Q. What was it changed to ?
    A. Operation Iraqi Freedom .
    Q. Why do you think it was changed ?

  45. UBK

    The USA was taken over over by a foreign power, which over 60 years has played on two human weaknesses of its national psyche, greed and violence. It needed not an army of invasion, nor a shot fired to achieve the most peaceful and most total control of a giant power by a highly manipulative midget.
    Its ambitions, history, open hostility to all others openly incorporated centuries earlier in the main religion. Control of media and education for a century. Banking and Control of Money and International Trade for a century. Military and Manufacturing for 60 years. Judiciary appointed for lifetime tenure since the investiture of G H.Bush. These are not fanciful allegations - everything can be found in the Old Testament, an abridged version of the original plans of an obscure desert tribe, whose determination to rule over all has never changed one iota since its original was first penned.

  46. UBK

    Its NOT America, that is at present ruling more than two thirds of the globe, with ambitions of a One World Government. Its the country that now rules America. Can't you see that ?

  47. UBK

    Alec Jones has reached the right conclusions. He just lacks the necessary intelligence and organisation to combat the well established, long term strategy of such a powerful cabal.
    A terrier snapping at the heels of a rogue elephant at least keeps us all aware that a dangerous beast is on the loose - although his method lacks finesse, he is far from an i*iot and still worth listening to.

  48. UBK

    As Nixon said to Billy Graham on a late night TV show. "You can say what you like, but accuse Israel and your career and maybe more will
    be destroyed." Zionist power can, and has destroyed more American lives than Macarthy ever did.

  49. UBK

    There you make the gravest mistake. The Zionists control the Jews, who they have for thousands of years kept brain-washed, and will sacrifice at the drop of a hat if it suits immediate tactical plans. In order to prevent another possible Holocaust, we must differentiate this fact. And bring it home to those Jews who do not agree with the Zionist Israeli agenda for world domination - NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES. As the head controls the body, then its necessary to get control of the head. Exactly as they have done in controlling the US and others, UK etc. But only secular and grass-roots Jewish people are the ones to do this, persuasion is the only key to a peaceful conclusion.

  50. Fabien L'Amour

    Here is one for you, what if the videos you are looking at where you see missiles have been altered. Maybe it's a conspiracy to make it look like it was an inside job to discredit the government. You told me in your first post they could be doctored.

  51. Fabien L'Amour

    I am absolutely certain the U.S. Government and security organizations are incompetent enough for the real thing to have happened, no need at all for a conspiracy.

  52. Sacco Svd

    I really ...really hope that's a joke.

  53. pat

    I went through this cognitive dissonance stage myself, I came up with all kinds of ridiculous explanations to settle the discomfort because the truth was too hard to believe. It's a horrific thing to realize and the ramifications that come after the breakthrough, well, its been quite a journey. But I'd rather know the truth than choose to be pacified by the facade, and those ramifications.
    You have a choice, do the research with the same scrutiny you've applied here but look at all of the evidence which is vast and comes from extremely credible sources that have been denied media coverage- look up Barbara Honniger and drop this into a search engine "INN Conference 2012-1.pdf",
    look up General-Albert N. Stubblebine III is a retired Major General in the United States Army. or military and 911 to read many who dispel the official story. Search 'engineers 911'
    For a really good breakdown of the media use, search the video "September Clues" to understand how the control of the media and soundbites shape our perception particularly in a state of fear.

    Follow the money- thought provoking video on who, why, what, when, how, "Hard 9/11 Truth - Conspiracy of 9/11 Money - See the Motives, Technology & Plausible Deniability"

    We could debate forever, which I wont, as has been done for 13 years on single points. Look up Hegelian Dialectic- Problem, Reaction, Solution.

    Look at the massive change and violations of privacy that we allow only because of the mass media pushing fear and threat after this horrific mass murder. This trauma and the ensuing narrative of fear and 'protection' caused the sway of the entire population of Americans to invade sovereign nations and destroy lives, to rapidly give up their constitutional rights and even accept drones and the ultimate power of one man to target anyone without due process and imprison indefinitely or kill them on America's soil. Search out executive orders and read for yourself.

    Look and consider the whole body of evidence neutrally, which is the hardest part. There's a lot of layers and the most impenetrable is the belief system we have been indoctrinated into which was used against us in a state of fear. Psychological manipulation. Commercials and marketing have used it for decades. Look up Edward Bernays.

    It's incredibly difficult to be objective but it is possible when you expose your mind to the data that contradicts the status-quo.

    I can't post the links, this is all easy to find, follow your natural curiosity..but its a choice, a conscious decision to step over the threshold of your protective barrier, do the critical thinking as you look at the information, and analyze.
    Then decide, after really researching, if you're as 'absolutely certain' of the mass failure and incompetence act we were presented with, and the aftermath. At least then you can say you've done the research before holding to a position... after that, you can always choose to go back, turn on the Tube feed and watch the regularly scheduled programming.

  54. UBK

    I only wished it were myself. If, unlike most posters you are well read, and have possibly travelled outside your own country then think carefully over every point made. If you can refute a single one it would please me as much as anyone else.
    I am at WAR for the future of my grandchildren, that they may have a viable life on a sustainable planet that has not been looted clear of all possible resources. To that end will write and speak my mind without fear or favour and give every support to genuine whistleblowers (flautists LOL) and rebels against the status quo of every race,creed colour or gender ! WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT NOW.

  55. pat

    That's ok, if you won't even look then you've chosen door number 2. But hey, its probably not important anyway, right?

  56. pat

    I used to take refuge in those shill sites, it was very convenient, so much easier and allowed me to keep my little paradigm of the world, and the white hats/black hat scenario simple. All the while never asking the question, who would take such time and effort to pay for, build sites and write 'debunking' counters, from whom or where do those counters originate, and why.

    What average person has that kind of expendable time, information, money, energy for something that they already believe is true and has mass public consensus? Is this their job or what?

    The families of the dead aren't buying the story. Neither are many of the 'first responders' you never hear from. Global engineers have made it scientifically clear.

    Who or what entity has the most vested interest, motivation or risk of loss by allowing free speech and questions on an event of this magnitude the ensuing wars and those horrors, the immediate invasion of privacy, constitutional breaches, and ever growing loss of individual freedom?

    I didn't know then, that there was such a thing as the corporate governance propaganda machine, or that those directing it dedicate huge sums and contracts with damage control/public sway corporations who specialize in social psychology, to counter opposition, sway opinion, and do damage control.

    One facet of this arsenal is to assign specifically trained, paid shills to troll websites, comments, forums, blogs, public debate area on well trafficked sites to stifle networking, debate, question raising, and thought exchange on contrary speak. If there's a voice with too much weight or credibility, the directive is to personally attack, even make up lies to assassinate character or cast doubt on their motivation or anything that works to silence, ban, ridicule, thwart and break communication and create doubt in the minds of those reading. You see it everywhere now.
    I was oblivious to the control and manipulation then, falling in line with the anger and outrage, then saw the so called leaders as bumbling idiots, incapable of rational logic, which confused me. But that idea of stupidity and nobody minding the store, sort of chalked it all off to error. Kissinger, Colin Powell, notably in cahoots.Then the question, what have we been paying for, how lame is this duck? I was staggered by the disparate mental trust I'd assumed in the government. I thought, how can these people be in such high place of power and control, with degrees from Ivy league universities, MBAs, AND don't forget LAW SCHOOL, without being able to deduce evidence and reason?

    This perfect storm of failure, what are the odds? You see its easier to accept stupidity or 'coincidental' failure than to go to the logical conclusion that they put that act on to get me to think this, and are anything but stupid or allow coincidence to ever take place. They have too much riding on outcome.
    Like you, I was going along with their program, believing the media was ethical and not owned and controlled, I didn't know there was a Broadcasting Board of Governors that do just that, until even in my stupor of oblivion the obvious became too blatant to miss. I thought that the internet was separate from mainstream media other than commercial interest.
    All of these suppositions and assumptions made me quite malleable and predictable. Just the way they like it.

    Human behavior over centuries has been tested, recorded, observed, studied, evaluated, compared and relegated to data points.Insurance is built on human stats. It's a science of cause, reaction, outcome and risk management. This is weighed into everything in our world, every show you see on tv, movies, radio, and political speeches, insurance, medical, law, manufacturing, all corporate action. Yes, the 'government' is a corporation-See
    Government Of The United States
    East Capitol 1 First St NE
    Washington, DC 20002
    Phone: 202 224-3121
    **D-U-N-S Number: 16-190-6193 **
    the world is a business. Imperialism is alive and well, incorporated. Global domination and redistribution is what's going on now.

    But you can rest on the disinfo debunking for a while - until it no longer works.
    It allowed me the false comfort of blind trust, without requiring me to take personal responsibility for critically thinking, researching, vetting, seeking broader information outside of the box of media incorporated, as they came up empty time and again looking for wmd's, watching the bullshit imagery of 'Shock and Awe', remembering the media calling the iraqi propaganda minister out for saying there were no tanks in Baghdad, while the propaganda heads here were showing imagery to convince us they had 'taken' the city. Now I have to wonder who was the bigger liar.

    It was weird to hear these terms applied to something so horrific. shock and awe.
    I remember thinking, who thinks of these catch phrases?, is it someone's job to do this? Why do they name war actions as if it were a movie title, like terminator or die hard? or I'm gunna get you sucka.

    Its obvious to me now, this is what they programmed us to accept, war as a movie. That way we allow ourselves to get swept up in the plot. Turn it off as we turn off the tube. We dont think about the humanity. They turned everyone into 'the enemy' who killed thousands in the wtc. Babies, the mothers, the fathers, the brothers sisters just like us trying to survive being "bombed back to the stoneage". We cheered, USA, USA. Its vile to consider now. We are stupid. Ignorant. Purposely fed bullshit and kept in the dark with media feeding us the fear, movie title narratives telling us that this is all about freedom. Its insane how we buy this. As long as our kids or family isnt involved directly, its very impersonal. We dont see the bodies coming back. We're fed Lindsey and Beyonce and Justin and Brittney and anti depressants if it gets too real.

    It's sickening now to think back on how duped I was. But now, after so much has been revealed, to hold on to the ridiculous notion they sold the world when so much information has been uncovered, to refuse to look at it and make up your own mind is unconscionable.

    If someone with average intelligence actually DID seek out and watched "Hard 9/11 Truth - Conspiracy of 9/11 Money - See the Motives, Technology & Plausible Deniability" on YT, and has the capacity to apply critical thinking skills, and afterwards is able to blithely continue holding onto the 'official story' position without any doubt, then they are unreachable or have an agenda that prevents them from being honest. I don't know which is worse or more pathetic.

  57. pat

    I used to take refuge in those shill sites, it was very convenient, so much
    easier and allowed me to keep my little paradigm of the world, and the white
    hats/black hat scenario simple. All the while never asking the question, who would take such time and effort to pay for, build sites and write 'debunking' counters, from whom or where do those counters originate, and why.

    What average person has that kind of expendable time, information, money, energy for something that they already believe is true and has mass public consensus? Is this their job or what?

    The families of the dead aren't buying the story. Neither are many of the 'first responders' you never hear from. Global engineers have made it scientifically clear.

    Who or what entity has the most
    vested interest, motivation or risk of loss by allowing free speech and questions on an event of this magnitude the ensuing wars and those horrors, the immediate invasion of privacy, constitutional breaches, and ever growing loss of individual freedom?

    I didn't know then, that there was such a thing as the corporate governance propaganda machine, or that those directing it dedicate huge sums and contracts with damage control/public sway corporations who specialize in social psychology, to counter opposition, sway opinion, and do
    damage control.

    One facet of this arsenal is to assign specifically trained, paid shills to troll websites, comments, forums, blogs, public debate area on well trafficked sites to stifle networking, debate, question raising,
    and thought exchange on contrary speak. If there's a voice with too much weight
    or credibility, the directive is to personally attack, even make up lies to assassinate character or cast doubt on their motivation or anything that works to silence, ban, ridicule, thwart and break communication and create doubt in the minds of those reading. You see it everywhere now.
    I was oblivious to the control and manipulation then, falling in line with the anger and outrage, then saw the so called leaders as bumbling idiots, incapable of rational logic, which confused me. But that idea of stupidity and nobody minding the store, sort of chalked it all off to error. Kissinger, Colin Powell, notably in cahoots.Then the question, what have we been paying for, how lame is this duck? I was staggered by the disparate mental trust I'd assumed in the government. I
    thought, how can these people be in such high place of power and control, with
    degrees from Ivy league universities, MBAs, AND don't forget LAW SCHOOL, without
    being able to deduce evidence and reason?

    This perfect storm of failure, what are the odds? You see its easier to accept stupidity or 'coincidental' failure than to go to the logical conclusion that they put that act on to get me to think this, and are anything but stupid or allow coincidence to ever take place. They have too much riding on outcome.
    Like you, I was going along with their program, believing the media was ethical and not owned and controlled.
    I didn't know there was something called the Broadcasting Board of Governors that do just that, until even in my stupor of oblivion the obvious became too blatant to miss. I thought that the internet was separate from mainstream media other than commercial
    interest. All of these suppositions and assumptions made me quite malleable and predictable. Just the way they like it.

    Human behavior over centuries has been tested, recorded, observed, studied, evaluated, compared and relegated to data points.Insurance is built on human stats. It's a science of cause, reaction, outcome and risk management. This is weighed into everything in our world, every show you see on tv, movies, radio, and political speeches,
    insurance, medical, law, manufacturing, all corporate action.
    Yes, the 'government' is a corporation-See
    Government Of The United States
    East Capitol 1 First St NE
    Washington, DC 20002
    Phone: 202 224-3121
    D-U-N-S Number: 16-190-6193 <-corp id.
    the world is a business. Imperialism is alive and well, incorporated. Global domination and redistribution is what's going on now.

    But you can rest on the disinfo debunking for a while - until it no longer works. It allowed me the false comfort of blind trust, without requiring me to take personal responsibility for critically thinking, researching, vetting, seeking broader information outside of the box of media
    incorporated, as they came up empty time and again looking for wmd's, watching
    the dramatic imagery of 'Shock and Awe', remembering the media calling the iraqi
    propaganda minister out for saying there were no tanks in Baghdad, while the
    propaganda heads here were showing imagery to convince us they had 'taken' the
    city. Now I have to wonder who was the bigger liar.

    It was weird to hear these terms applied to something so horrific. shock and awe.
    I remember thinking, who thinks of these catch phrases?, is it someone's job to do this? Why do they name war actions as if it were a movie title, like terminator or die hard? or I'm gunna get you sucka.

    Its obvious to me now, this is what they programmed us to accept, war as a
    movie. That way we allow ourselves to get swept up in the plot. Turn it off as we turn off the tube. We dont think about the humanity. They turned everyone into 'the enemy' who killed thousands in the wtc. Babies, the mothers, the fathers, the brothers sisters just like us trying to survive being "bombed back to the stoneage". We cheered, USA, USA. Its vile to consider now. We are
    stupid. Ignorant. Purposely fed bull$hit and kept in the dark with media feeding
    us the fear, movie title narratives telling us that this is all about freedom. Its insane how we buy this. As long as our kids or family isn't involved directly, its very impersonal. We don't see the bodies coming back. We're fed Lindsey and Beyonce and Justin and Brittney and anti depressants if it gets too real.

    It's sickening now to think back on how duped I was. But now, after so much has been revealed, to hold on to the ridiculous notion they sold the world when so much information has been uncovered, to refuse to look at it and make up your own mind is unconscionable.

    If someone with average intelligence actually DID seek out and watched "Hard 9/11 Truth - Conspiracy of 9/11 Money - See the Motives, Technology & Plausible Deniability" on YT, and has the capacity to apply critical thinking skills, and afterwards is able to
    blithely continue holding onto the 'official story' position without any doubt, then they are unreachable or have an agenda that prevents them from being honest. I don't know which is worse or more pathetic.

  58. Fabien L'Amour

    Wow that was a long diatribe. WHy don't you provide the answers to your questions since you seem to have found the answers.

    "who would take such time and effort to pay for, build sites and write
    'debunking' counters, from whom or where do those counters originate,
    and why."

    I mean verifiable information, not what you have a hunch is true.

  59. Fabien L'Amour

    Yeah it's a conspiracy, here is the verbatim of the conversation that took place during the planning phase as published in Rolling Stone so it's definitely real:

    DICK CHENEY :
    Of course, just toppling the Twin Towers will
    never be enough. No one would give us the war mandate we need if we just blow up the
    Towers. Clearly, we also need to shoot a
    missile at a small corner of the Pentagon
    to create a mightily underpublicized additional symbol of international terrorism
    -- and then, obviously, we need to fake
    a plane crash in the middle of f...ing nowhere
    in rural Pennsylvania.

    DONALD RUMSFELD :
    Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of
    public outrage will not be sufficient without
    that crash in the middle of f...ing nowhere.

    DICK CHENEY :
    And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.

  60. awful_truth

    Your right, I am a bad person for acknowledging the leaders of the free world are greedy psychopaths, who are not really in charge, and mere lieutenants for the wealthy people who put them in power. Oh, I forgot, they were voted in democratically from a public that has so much to choose from. (Bilderberger from column A, or Bilderberger from column B) Note: I might change my perception when the president of the U.S gets to choose who he wants on the Federal reserve board, instead of having to choose from a list that is provided for him. (apparently his choices are as limited as ours) Better yet, I will certainly change my perception when the option to remove the Federal Reserve all together is back on the table.Take care, and best wishes sonibvc.

  61. awful_truth

    Perhaps it is a stretch, however all things being equal, history has taught us nothing is ever what it appears to be. ( 46 story buildings don't just fall, and the fact that so many people ignore the obvious gives me cause for concern) I work hard at keeping my 'conspiracy' thoughts in check, however it would be very naïve to believe they just don't exist because people are not that competent. Note: We will never know the truth regarding flight 93, or it's destination, thus as with this entire fiasco, we can only speculate Fabien. (probability does not guarantee certainty)

  62. awful_truth

    Don't forget the 2.3 trillion dollars that the pentagon misplaced, (announced the day before 9 11 by Donald Rumsfeld), and never mentioned since, not even when congress considered a 800 billion dollar bailout for the very banks that robbed everyone prior to the 2008 economic collapse. (go figure)

  63. awful_truth

    To answer your question, the only person that might have gotten jail, and charged was Scooter Libby for ousting Valerie Plame as CIA, and he was given a presidential pardon from Bush Jr. The awful truth is, these people are untouchable, and it doesn't matter what the public thinks, since if they raise any concern, they could be labelled a terrorist, and thrown into Gitmo, and remain there uncharged, with no legal representation thanks to Patriot acts #1, and #2. Any more Questions?

  64. Fabien L'Amour

    That WTC7 building controlled demolition theory is almost absurd. How could they plan the tower debris would only seriously damage that one building? Why didn't they rig all the nearby buildings in case those got damaged enough to fake a collapse on them too? What is the point in destroying an empty damaged building several hours after the 2 towers collapsed in that "New Pearl Arbor" plan?

  65. awful_truth

    Yes, it is called manifest destiny, and the Bush family does not even deny their desire for its implementation. Well stated UBK!

  66. Fabien L'Amour

    lol I swear some think the Jews are behind everything. I am suprised some nut didn't yetcome up with a plot that puts Jews in control of the NAZI party during WW2.

  67. awful_truth

    Aside from a BBC live report that building 7 had fallen before it did, or the owner Silverstein himself stating on camera, "pull it", the best answer I can give you is 'follow the money'. VIM (Israeli corporation) also broke their 99 year lease a week before 9 11, and pulled their staff from the entire 2 floors they occupied in one of the towers. If you believe this is all 'coincidental', that is a choice, just not one that I have chosen.
    Donald Rumsfeld getting up on television the day before 9 11, and stating the pentagon misplaced 2.3 trillion dollars that they can't account for, and not having it mentioned since by the media, even when congress was debating an 800 billion dollar bailout for the banks during the 2008 economic collapse is also not a coincidence. If it is, then there is not a journalist, nor an economist worthy of minimum wage, or, the idea of independent media is long gone. Of course, if you are Ruppert Murdoch and you spent billions to own basically most of the airwaves, you will help those who helped you get where you got, just like the politicians who were funded into power, by the wealthy elite who want world domination. (manifest destiny) Note: even with all the damage building 7 received, it and the 2 towers are the only buildings in history to have fallen. (excluding buildings that have been bombed) The empire state building was hit by a fully fueled bomber, and didn't fall. (totally operational 4 months later) Sky scrapers around the world have utterly burnt, but never fall. Thus, when the many architects, and engineers who have come forward state something is wrong, we can ignore them, or choose to listen. I can say with certainty I know which choice the PNAC want you to believe. But hey, that is just my opinion, I could be wrong, just not likely. (probability, no certainty) Take care Fabien!

  68. UBK

    Prior to the Christian Era all western societies were sociopathic or ruled by psychopaths [Oriental philosophies, Hinduism, Buddhism etc, not included here]. Whether the letters of Paul the Greek were fact or fiction is immaterial. His message of Christ gave his world something new - a CONSCIENCE, empathy, charity and compassion for those outside the immediate circle of family and tribe ! This was unacceptable to the LEADERS of the Jews, the Pharisees, Sadducees and Scribes who would have lost control over the rank and file. who they were prepared to sacrifice in order to further their ambition to 'have dominion over the earth and ALL it contained,' as promised by their founder. TBC

  69. UBK

    Continued. Today those psychopaths have joined with others of great wealth and power with the ambition to 'dominate' the entire planet for their own benefit. Small in number they not only wield immense wealth and power, their greatest strength is that they are completely united ! making the absolute use, as they have always done in the past to 'divide and conquer.' with great advantage.
    The ONLY way to save our offspring, if they are not to be destroyed first, from leading lives of utter domination is for the vast majority to organize ourselves in a different kind of 'globalization.' Men,women and children, young and old of every race creed and nationality. this means secularists such as I, together with Christians of every denomination, Moslems the same and yes, Jews must unite to thwart this threat of a New World Order, a single government that will rule by force, and threat, torture and indiscriminate killing of innocents as is now being demonstrated to us every day. They know and exploit our weakness - disunity.
    But they too, like all psychopaths exhibit weaknesses that can be exploited.
    TBC.

  70. UBK

    continued.
    Hubris, supreme arrogance and disdain for others not of their own kind is a weakness that can be exploited. But first people with normal emotions, who can genuinely weep for either joy or sorrow, and suffer pangs of remorse MUST become united if those who lack such 'weaknesses,' controlled as they are by the lower 'reptile' brain are to be prevented from turning the rest of humanity into a new form of slavery. Can the human species do this ?
    As a secularist, one who 'worships' Life and the bountiful works of 'Mother' Nature and 'Old Father' Time,' it's not so much a 'faith' I have, as the inability to conceive that creatures such as we, having such curiosity and incredible powers of creativity - and destructivity, will, as Isaac Asimov among others prophesizied destroy ourselves: especially when on the very springboard of a collosal mental quantum leap that could make supermen and women of the very next generation.
    Now leaving these discussions, my time for talk is over.
    Shalom, Salaam and Peace to all those who truly mean these words when they say them. As for those for whom such words are nought but pebbles in their mouths you know where they can go !
    Good Luck !

  71. awful_truth

    Agreed! Nothing has changed because humanity itself (technology aside) has evolved very little in a very long time. Hell, in my lifetime alone, we have watched women, black, and native people finally get some recognition towards equality in western society, however all it would take is a mere hiccup, and it would be gone in an instant, because deep down, we are a stone throw away from being the animals we really are, but refuse to acknowledge. Now, improve man; that would impress me. Perhaps that is the whole point of it all. We are what we are, and any attempt to better us is an exercise in futility. Maybe just acknowledging our awareness of this issue is the best we can hope for. Either way, make an island unto yourself, be a good person, and try not to take it all so seriously. (The most beautiful things in life are not man made) Take care, and best wishes UBK!

  72. Fabien L'Amour

    I'll give credit to the conspiracy theories when all these architects and engineers build a scale model of the Twin towers and apply the same relative forces to it and prove a collapse is impossible. And I will add, if they were serious, it would have been done years ago.

  73. Sacco Svd

    I wouldn't say the answer is more religion, but you're right. It's a small number of people ruling the world. Clearly the wealth is distributed to the wrong people.

  74. pat

    nice try at redirect. Again. Why don't you re-read what I wrote to get the answer? Or look at the name on the check you get every two weeks.
    I've made my attempt to reach a logical mind and none was found in you.

    Go back to reading Rolling Stone- (hilarious) apparently you think it's high commentary. The dude who owns RS is worth 700M and based in NYC, you don't really think he's willing to lose his business by printing anything contrary to the official story. It's commercial, not free press. Duh.

    And while you may consider my post a diatribe, it was yet another sincere attempt, as all of my posts have been, at reaching a logical reasonable human soul in communication, which is what this site's comments are here for.
    Regardless of your obvious ignoring and redirection, you're not a moderator, so quit playing post police and pretending to be anything other than a shill (someone who works for one of the very companies I wrote about) or alternately, a 'useful id**t' -Look it up. You've made over 500 posts on this site, always on controversial hot subjects and have always taken the Politically Correct mainstream defense.

    People come here to discuss the off mainstream documentaries and you are here seemingly to stop that or alter what is being said. Or to try and discredit the poster.
    You're either so indoctrinated that you cannot see, or refuse to look at evidence that many have directed you to, because you're paid to do it, or have your own agenda to be dense and to block communication for perks or benefit. Or you're simply a troll.
    Either way, you lose in the end. The handlers don't care about the tool, they're a dime a dozen, replaceable.

  75. awful_truth

    Actually, I think someone did that,(built a scale model) I just can't remember where I seen it. Either way, I respect your position. Keeping an open mind is good advice at any time, as is intellectual skepticism. Take care Fabien.

  76. Jon

    I notice that many documentaries here attempt to remove the issue that the oil price surge using environmental excuses crashed the suburbia housing market and the banks that finance them. This triggered the world debacle we are struggling to recover from.

    The Arabs should be thanking the Americans for development of oil as the cheap source of energy. But instead they repay with terrorism.

    The oil profits enrich a few monarchs who get to fund personalities like Bin Laden into prominence. Wasn't Obama too groomed by Saudi oil profits?

    Well the campaign to destroy the US using half truths or half the picture of reality won't work since the obvious is hidden. This shameful aggression is unbelievable.

    The war on terror is not over. This site is a battleground for the hearts and minds of many

  77. Naeem

    When all this stuff was going on I was 12 years old. I sat in front of the televison and watched the greatest country the world has ever seen, bring to justice the people who comitted the biggest crime that had ever been done against it. That day was the day when I realized I was truly American. The complete joy that overwhelmed me when my nation dropped bomb after bomb and fired bullet after bullet. Seemingly rewriting the wrongs of a tyranical dictatorship overnight. There was no greatest feeling I ever experienced in my life. Now 12 years later and 12 years more elightened, I cringe at the idea that I am no better morally than those people who allowed this to happened. I am numb, cold, cut-throat and unmoved by this documentary and couldn't tell you why. I want to help, but my sociopathic tendancies won't allow me. I pray that someday I will relearn compassion and be infused with a large dose of humanism and I pray that my country will too and then and only then we will return as the true leaders of the world again. Until then it was good while it lasted. God Bless America.

  78. awful_truth

    Perhaps the fact that you are now aware is a good starting point, and that you have awoken from your programming (brainwashing) is reason enough not to be so hard on yourself. If it is any comfort to you, the more you study history, the more you will realize this problem exists in all countries, and that the only time violence is acceptable is in defense of oneself. That coldness you feel is guilt for trusting those who are unworthy of it. (welcome to the moral world, and never forget what got you here) Take care, and best wishes.
    P.S: The next stage in your enlightenment will be when you recognize that America was never meant to lead the world. (absolute power corrupts absolutely) True leadership is done by example. (peacemaker, not dictating)

  79. awful_truth

    What is it precisely that Obama would have done worse than Bush? (I am sure this is going to be good)

  80. Jon

    I share your observations. No one can really tell you what to believe in, even if the presentation seems fit to make you arrive at a false conclusion.

    In World War 2, the Allies thought that disarming would lead to peace. They were preparing for peace but the enemy prepared for war. This left them prone to invasion, which happened quite quickly. The lessons for that war is evil prosper because good men failed to do something.

    In the Scriptures, there is a recipe for peace. God is the answer. Yet today men are arrogantly defying both Scriptures and God the Almighty. Realize that this is moving men further and further away from attaining peace so although we must honor the peace makers, we ought to be wise enough to understand that the peace you wish for is not shared by others. That being the case, trust your gut feel. May the God you publicly revere enlighten you with Truth and lead you to the right way.

  81. DougDeGrave

    The Saudi Royal Family are Crypto Jew Waheebies.

  82. DocHollywood_2

    Just showing up would be enough

  83. awful_truth

    Aw, what a let down. I was expecting some actual reasoning from you, not vague innuendo based upon the only other 2 possibilities. (racism, or political polarization - aka democrat/republican)

  84. DocHollywood_2

    actually racism/democrat would be more accurate, but enough about you....

  85. awful_truth

    I am still waiting for your reasoning as to why Obama would be worse than Bush. (the point of your remark)
    P.S I am Canadian, ergo no need for racism, nor political polarization which is required by your country to distract the masses!

  86. awful_truth

    The fact that you can acknowledge what truthfully happened, and embrace it for what it was, places you far above those who supported any of it. Keep up the good work larm007!

  87. Fabien L'Amour

    lol so your answer to my request for proof of what you advance is I am a shill and I am paid by some kind of mainstream ideas defense organization.

    I've read that kind of reply so often, I think THAT is the mainstream on forums. The real off mainstream with all the crazy conspiracy posters on public forums is not buying in these ideas that defy logic.

    But sure keep thinking you are at the edge of progressive thinking spewing ideas that come from conspiracy websites that are a dime a dozen...

  88. timyak

    Naeem, even now you end you comment with God bless America. This to me
    demonstrates that you've hardly moved on from your initial brain washed
    state of mind. How can you ever utter those words again after realising
    what America has become. Today your 'blessed' America occupies over 150
    nations, and is directly responsible for funding so called 'rebels' in
    Syria, Ukraine, Nigeria and so many others who are bringing untold
    terror to their nations. Only a complete understanding of where your
    nation is at by a large percentage of the population MIGHT offer USA a
    chance of ultimate redemption. Just yesterday I signed a petition hoping
    to protect one of New York Posts journalists from imprisonment for
    wanting to protect his sources, as obama attempts to take away 1st
    amendment rights. Sadly your nation has had its government hijacked by
    criminals and until they are removed you will be the greatest cause of
    pain and suffering on this Earth.I'm from UKso I know all about evil
    imperialism my friend. I suggest you take the BLUE PILL and finally and fully wake up from your dream like state.

  89. timyak

    SPOT ON my friend ...

  90. timyak

    and the office that washit in the Pentagon by that cruise missile was the very office investigating the missing $2.3 trillion... you couldn't make it up could you? ppl wopuld think youre crazy.... BUT WE'RE NOT.

  91. timyak

    it's not about being slow.. how can you take the ppl to court when they OWN the judges and judicial system. getting a dictator to court is easier said than done and after ndaa etc that6's exactly what obama is... a dictator (though a puppet dictator also)

  92. awful_truth

    There you go; I didn't know that there was an office in the pentagon that was even investigating the misplaced trillions. Since the 9 11 incident was so good at getting rid of evidence, a person can't help but wonder at the luck called 'coincidence' that these people have coat tailed from. (yeah, right)

  93. apaulocreed

    "The most intelligent government so far" my ass.The problem is that it's the dumbest general public in the most Greed driven Corporate controlled nation that is extra reluctant to accept the truth due to it's attempt to cling on to any rare remaining reason to display patriotism.Only in America was this military manouver not labelled 'The Invasion of Iraq'. This fact was accepted as a joke by all others because it's always been accepted that American media is a stew of propaganda used to nuteur any possible motives its public may have to lead and not follow.The lesson was learned in after the Vietnam protests etc era,so since then spoon fed with jibberish the public have always been in the 'Land of the Free'!

  94. socalledbob

    The media failed to ask questions pertaining to the 1st speech President Bush regarding 9-11. The 2 statements I find interesting " I have spoke to the VP, to the governor of NY, To the director of the FBI, And have ordered the full resources of the federal government go to help the victims and the families and to conduct a full scale investigation to hunt down and find them the folks that committed these acts. Terrorism against our nation will not stand." If the nation is under attack, this was 45 minutes after the 1st plane, why wouldn't he call the Air Force or Navy or SAC? How did he know there were victims? How many victims? They could have assumed all of this. But the country is still under attack for all they really know. Or should have known. They are going to investigate. Investigate what? These statements are made 7 minutes before the Pentagon was hit. How does he know this is terrorism 26 minutes after the second plane hits the WTC? They knew or should have known that there was a 4th plane still in the air at this time. Calling for an investigation and calling for revenge while there are 2 planes still in the air seems like a foregone conclusion. How and why is he so sure that it is terrorism and not a country attacking the US?

  95. Bruce Wayne

    Really now? I must have seen at least 20 people who witnessed the WTC attacks explain what they saw on TV the first couple days after the attacks.. I was there and seen the second plane hit along with millions of other NYers. Sorry but it was filmed from like 50 different angles by dozens of independent witnesses. The US would never get away with doing that to itself. Too many Americans would have to be in on it. They wouldn't stay silent for long, its their own country they would feel an obligation to expose it.

  96. Bruce Wayne

    Actually the perfect storm of failure is pretty believable. They never expected to have to shoot down commercial airliners. There were only like 4 fighter jets within like 1000 miles of the WTC. If that was completely abnormal I am sure retired air force people would have came forward by now.

  97. truth seeker

    The biggest lie ever told reinforced by the propaganda machine.
    notice there was a single trace of any airplane.
    jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to bend steal
    controlled demolition leveled the building in 10 seconds.
    traces of termite was found.
    parts of the support beams had physical proof of shape chargers.
    feds are notorious for false flag operations

  98. Lita

    Solution to bring peace in the Middle East, take both Bushes, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, et al., and execute them live in the Yankee Stadium.

  99. steve

    we should tie them all to a stake and set Petro dollars aflame beneath them and record their screams for posterity

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