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Euromania

In this documentary Peter Vlemmix, the author of Panopticon, explores the expanding powers of the European Union. The European Union is the greatest project in modern history. It's a wonderful achievement. Europe is freedom, it means no more war, it means 500 million Europeans and 28 countries, which have one coin, and live in the healthiest and safest part of the world. Peter is proud European, he can travel without borders and he grew up in peace. And today many people see Europe as "the answer."

But Peter is also a Dutch. He lives in the small flat Holland with its unique liberal mindset. You could say that Holland is his country, but what is a country anyway? A country is its people, very different mixed people that have something in common that is unique. They share a culture, books, common memory, etc. Maybe you'll see him as nationalist but in fact there are many things he doesn't like about his country... like early dinner times, crappy music, the Royal Family or carnivals.

But he noticed that something is happening to his country. Europe is becoming more and more involved every day. It advises the mothers how to have babies, how much energy they can spend, and the size of their strawberries. Netherlands is working very closely with Europe so Peter decided to find out the answers to some of his questions. Is there a limit in the cooperation between Holland and Europe? What is the end goal of the European Union? And where is his voice in Brussels?

Brussels is getting more and more involved in the laws of the sovereign countries in the EU. Although the lawmaking is one of the most important parts of a country most of the Netherland's laws are not anymore made there but they come from Brussels. It's a uniform product... the same rules for each country. But besides handing over its lawmaking Holland can no longer decide its own budget.

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  • John Sweevo

    "Brussels is getting more and more involved in the laws of the sovereign countries in the EU" not just that they over ride your laws too, and that to me is just not right

  • acookiewithagun

    Good docu but please. The Human brain project could help to cure so many diseases and would get us on a new level of science. It's not here to "improve our brain or make us to maschines".

  • Martin Ellacott

    This European Union was originally sold to the member States as a trade agreement between Countries (the European Economic Cartel), and has morphed into a massive movement to be a one State system that encompasses the entire of Europe. Every one of the 26 Countries that are members of the EU have lost their sovereignty, National determination, their National currency and National pride.....they have in fact, lost their identity.
    80 to 90 percent of all Laws pertaining to the individual Counties are now made and enacted in Brussels. Mismanagement has lead to massive unemployment and the heads of Italy and Greece have been arbitrarily replaced by Brussels, by Bankers that run the Countries for the EU.
    Several of the Mediterranean Countries are totally bankrupt and have had to be bailed out by the Union, and in one Country (Cyprus, I think) the Government took...stole...$1500 out of every registered Bank Account and gave it to the Government.

    The EU, which is the first step in creating a World Government has been a total failure and it's only a matter of a few years before various Countries withdraw their membership from this disastrous Organization. The first to leave may be Greece or the United Kingdom.

  • patrick varencaus

    The euro is gonna crash just like the dollar

  • Martin Ellacott

    Not one of the Member States can claim sovereignty any more.

  • TonyIII

    Make no mistake , this will lead to war. The international banksters are looking for an army. It will portray itself as the liberators of the world. They might even talk up God for the occasion. That always gives the peon's lives some meaning.The nations will be portrayed as out of date, ambitious, familial and backward. The media is the key to winning any civil war as some Americans know well.

  • stavilaru

    if you don`t like the EU you can leave it and try Russia.Also, the narrator`s accent was atrocious.Stopping this documentary made me real happy.

  • http://oldfox.info/ Terry "OldFox" Seale

    Very interesting. There can be and will be no secession from the EU. They'll invoke Abe Lincoln and shut that down. Switzerland has always had horse sense and the Brits' only protection from this professional civil service technocracy over democracy is the Sterling, English pluck, and the Tories.

    Praps the only way for a democratic nation to get out is to go through such cataclysmic economic turmoil that Brussels will kick them out. Chances are slim to none of that working.

  • a_no_n

    lol, it's nothing like a one state system what are you on about?

    I'm sorry mate but what you're saying just has no bearing on the reality, i have friends in Italy, and family in both Greece and Portugal and i see none of what you're talking about there.

    the only indication that these countries are in the EU is the currency.

    The mediteranian countries you mention that are bankrupt have gone bankrupt because of extreme corruption over a long period of time in their national governments, not because of the EU. The EU has managed to help some of these countries stave off the worst effects of bankrupcy.

    I'd like to see some evidence for the claim that the EU took $1500 out of everybodies account, because frankly much like the rest of your comment it sounds like bullsh1t.

  • a_no_n

    Except for all of them.
    all the countries have their own parliaments, their own armies, their own budgets and their own taxes...how have any of them lost sovereignty?

  • a_no_n

    if that was true then how could an in/out referendum even be possible?

  • Martin Ellacott

    Because they are all governed from Brussels....I'm not trying to be overly critical of your opinion but you don't seem to understand how the EU works.

  • Guest

    Thank you for your comment.....it's good that we are able to express our opinions freely and openly.

    I was wrong about the amount, and the fact that the EU raided individual bank accounts....they did however, through the IMF, take money from individual accounts of wealthy people.....easily looked up on Google...Cyprus was the Country I was referring to.

  • RoX

    Dear romanian dude (stavilatu) ;) , you are out of touch with reality. if you're happy to be a slave to corporations go strait to the USA, or maybe you are one of those happy to have american bases on your land. Obviously you dont understand enough the current world situation and the dictatorship of corporations taking over the globe.
    Also, I am certain that your accent is even worst (lol)
    I was born in RO too but lived in few countries and i am more aware of what is going on with the world; evidently you are still drinking the EU "cool aid". I like the idea too, but only if the people are part of the decision process.
    Maybe you should watch the whole documentary before you jump in to some right wing conclusions. Peace!

  • Martin Ellacott

    Thank you for your comment.....it's good that we are able to express our opinions freely and openly.

    I was wrong about the amount, and the fact that the EU raided
    individual bank accounts....they did however, through the IMF, take
    money from individual accounts of wealthy people.....easily looked up on
    Google...Cyprus was the Country I was referring to.

  • Toy Pupanbai

    Under EU rules, it is not possible.
    The only referendum permitted is one calling for closer union!

  • a_no_n

    it's not that i don't understand, it's that you're wrong.

    I'm sorry if you don't like you're obviously false claims being challenged, but that's the way public forums work...you bullsh1t, and people call you out on it.

    you say no country in the EU has any sovereignty, to which i say either use the word properly, or stop being dramatic because they clearly haven't.

  • a_no_n

    still waiting for something vaguely resembling evidence.

  • a_no_n

    except of course for all the referendums that clearly don't. like the ones they had in Switzerland and Ireland, and the one we're going to have in the UK.

  • a_no_n

    Who exactly have the tories been protecting?

    Certainly not the working classes, who are forced to rely on EU legislation for job security.
    Without the EU employers would be free to sack workers for any reason they fancy...they'd be able to knock wages down to rock bottom.

    In fact the tories are doing just about everything they can to get rid of the concept of wages altogether. now being unemployed can get you a longer community service sentence than you would get if you raped somebody!

    How very odd that the one organisation forcing employers and corporations to be accountable for the way they operate business is being villified en masse by far right parties with links to major banks and hedge fund managers.

    a lot of very rich people have a lot to gain by leaving the EU...whilst the poorest and most vulnerable stand to lose what little they have left.

  • a_no_n

    The king of Saudi Arabia travels all over the world...by your logic he must be the most in touch person in the world.

    I haven't drunk any cool aid...i'm just someone with hardly any money. i have a part time job because that's all that i can get, and the only reason i still have it is because of EU legislation which stops employers from being able to fire me at will.

    You say people aren't involved in the decision making process, yet you're given just as much involvement in the EU parliament as you have in any national government. you've given the opportunity to vote for a representative.

    If right wing rhetoric is something you find distasteful then does it not concern you that the only people who campaign to leave the EU sit on the right wing themselves? Often the extreme end of it.

  • Vera Gottlieb

    No more wars? What would one call Kosovo? And now the US stirring the pot in Ukraine? Brussels is a bureaucratic dictatorship, a straight-jacket Europe would do well to shed. EU members have lost too much sovereignty - not enough flexibility.

  • RoX

    Thanks for your reply.

    The difference between (king) Abdullah and someone like me is major. I lived and worked in those others countries - consequently i was able to experience life in that society the way it truly is and not being in a cocoon of state reception and surrounded by the Elite - that is an artificial perspective and would not help someone become more enlightened or emancipate (at least in a spiritual sense)

    Regarding your last point, yes I do mind right wing rhetoric and yes you are right about the extreme right advocating separation - which I dont like either.

    And I disagree with your another two paragraphs, but are not important enough for me to elaborate on.

    Thank you, again.

  • prakash-mumbai

    I was thinking about Kosovo too.

  • prakash-mumbai

    In the name of European unity European peace European freedom 'war free' Europe a sinister plot is being hatched by neo Imperialists. True Satan never ever dies.

  • prakash-mumbai

    Please justify your view elaborately.

  • prakash-mumbai

    only if people are part of the decision process will remain a pipe dream. The world over the willy politicians and crafty bureaucrats have taken over the reins of power. People have lost their say in so called free conitnent.

  • RoX

    I am still hopeful ..
    Look at the concept of open souse democracy and using an open source software where people can vote in real time for each law - that is my pipe dream ;) and Island plans to implement it.

  • prakash-mumbai

    One of the 100 things one would like to see happen before one dies.

  • http://oldfox.info/ Terry "OldFox" Seale

    I'm foreign to the Brit system and out of the loop of local dynamics, but the Tories are protecting the Pound Sterling an British sovereignty, in my impression. Certainly the working classes cannot depend on 1.) British law if it is trumped by the EU and 2.) protections from an EU run by unaccountable bureaucrats who dismiss democratic principles, national public policy, and popular plebiscites.

    That is an open door to totalitarianism: One man, one vote, one time. In Ireland, there was an outrage about a social worker sending a Traveller girl to England for an abortion since they were outlawed in Ireland, but the Left argued EU "human rights" trumped Irish public policy. That's nonsense if foreign civil servants selected by no popular process can diss local laws.

    Society cannot really thrive if business, as one sector, cannot be sure of the enforceability of contracts and the predictability of policies under the law. It is chaos. Anarchism is better since anarchism does not have an armed trigger-happy police force blindly enforcing unsound regulations.

  • http://oldfox.info/ Terry "OldFox" Seale

    ad hominem attacks,discredit one's position and do not advance the debate.

  • http://oldfox.info/ Terry "OldFox" Seale

    If you learn about the "normal distribution" of the IQ bell curve, you will realize that over 50% of the people have an IQ below 101.
    I don't want them deciding public policy because they are so easily fooled and invariably "the majority is wrong." Much stock market analysis is based on that reality.

  • prakash-mumbai

    When will the European Spring take place?

  • NX2

    As i see it, the majority of Europeans mostly care about a uniform currency and the ability to travel freely across borders. It's probably safe to say i can be placed into that camp. However, there are a few points that make me doubt if this documentary isn't presenting us a twisted view. Apparently sovereignty is a big issue here. But perhaps sovereignty can only be guaranteed within a European context? I'm just wondering.

  • Vladimir

    it´s about EU Union, not the whole Europe...
    And besides there was is no War in Ukraine..yet

    So 0 offical wars in the European Union

  • RoX

    i agree and have removed that.

  • http://oldfox.info/ Terry "OldFox" Seale

    Rox, YOU rock!

  • RoX

    i disagree, not if they are educated on the subject before each vote

  • a_no_n

    seriously? you think the EU is comparable to Assad?

    how self serving and hysterical can you get?

    have you got any sense of perspective whatsoever, or is it just persecution complex all the way down?

  • a_no_n

    yeah but unfortunately you're not allowed to use facts when discussing Europe, only hysterical assumptions and fear mongering.

  • a_no_n

    For someone whose not up on it you certainly have n problem with passing off your assumptions as fact.

    Firstly British law is not trumped by EU law,

    Secondly, keep your religion off of other people's bodies!
    Human rights do trump stupid religious laws like abortion bans...you may want to live under Sharia law, I do not!
    Human rights do not need sarcastic bunny rabbit ears, they're basic human rights...it's good that you're comfortable enough to find them something to joke about, but I am not, and do not.
    I very much doubt you'd be talking so flippantly about human rights if it were your own being violated...i imagine your tune would change very quickly then!

    Lastly society cannot thrive if the Buisiness sector is given impunity from responsibility. As things stand the few safeguards the poor and vulnerable have against corporate abuses come directly from the EU.

    We know what happens when Businesses are allowed to run amok...unless you've forgotten 2008 already.

  • http://oldfox.info/ Terry "OldFox" Seale

    Why so belligerent? My views offend you so much that civil discourse is out of bounds?

    At a law conference some years ago in Dublin all the European law professors were giving papers on exactly that: EU law trumping national law--Civil law crowding out common law stare decisis.

    I'll rely on the veracity of legal scholars rather than emotional knee-jerks from Lefty Statists. Thank you.

  • TomazZzz

    WTF Kosovo?? Not a part of eu... and was actually attacked and asimilated by america...
    Or for their coper (Cu) or whatever.... nvm...

  • socratesuk

    Relatively balanced documentary. (The amount of waste at the E.U is incredible). It will be interesting to see how ANTI-EU political parties do in the upcoming European Elections in the week.

  • a_no_n

    i'm belligerent because even by your own admission you're talking out your backside but still posturing like some kind of authority.

    It's not your job security and social wellbeing that's at stake, mine is!

    If EU law trumped local law, then referendums to leavce the EU would be impossible...Referendums exist, therefore local law can trump EU law.

    Is lefty meant to be some sort of insult?

  • a_no_n

    How do we know that you weren't sheltered? How do you know?

    I'm glad that you think the job security of the working class is unimportant...it really let's me see just how shallow and self serving a position you're arguing from...who gives a sh1t about the poor amirite?

    I also like the way you think the issue of voting isn't important even though it's one of your main complaints...make your mind up. either the democratic aspect is important or it isn't.

    by the way your grasp of the passive agressive comment is masterly.

  • http://oldfox.info/ Terry "OldFox" Seale

    My backside is none of your business! Paraphrasing Martin Luther, "Here I sit."

    I'm not the authority but the people I learned from are. Belligerence forgoes any wisdom or dispassionate logic, doesn't it?Referendums may exist but I haven't heard of any nation dropping out of the EU as they have from NATO and the Warsaw Pact.

  • a_no_n

    You know me by now...belligerent is like my middle ground in between foaming at the mouth and nonplussed.
    I'm particularly belligerent on the subject of the EU because the rise of the far right in the UK based on this issue in such a short space of time has frankly terrified the living sh1t out of me.

    I'll take the hint though and chill out a bit.

    The way i see it the UK has a very sweet deal with the EU, we quite literally have our cake and eat it at the same time, which is why i'm sceptical of claims that it's an attempt at an NWO or superstate...under all the bustle it's actually pretty toothless.

    Perhaps countries haven't left because there is an overriding benefit to staying in?

    In the UK for example our universities get a very decent turn over of foreign students, that brings a lot of money in quite evenly around the country (including up north with economically speaking has been in the gutter since the eighties).
    The EU doesn't really do much for the city of London, but it's benefits are felt in the outskirts of the country that Whitehall tends to ignore.

    All of the benefits are quite small on their own but I think there are a lot of them and they add up into a greater whole.

  • a_no_n

    you don't choose Russia, Russia chooses you.

  • http://oldfox.info/ Terry "OldFox" Seale

    No problem. I don't really know you well enough to expect belligerence, but I am mostly skeptical of ANYthing involving government.

    When I visited cousins on the farm in Ireland, who were filling out lots of forms for the EU, I asked if it was a good thing for them. My cousin's eyes popped out and he said, "It's a wonderful thing for us! We make more from them than from the cows." That was quite a while back in the Celtic Tiger economy.

    But my skepticism says, how can law-abiding, tax-paying, sportsmanlike people like the Brits possibly compete with Italians, Spanish, Greeks, and Portuguese who are more frequently scofflaws, if not actual cheats as encouraged by their cultures? No offense to anyone: I am a scofflaw myself and proud of it!

  • Sophiecloud

    The EU project is dYing thankfully.

  • Shan Tong

    One of the best comments I have ever read.....

  • terrasodium

    doubtful that holding up this type of mirror will cast a recognized reflection, It will likely be a deflection in support of the delusions, masterly nah,futile would be more probable, very kind offering either way.

  • http://supdntk.blogspot.com William Tatum

    It's not totalitarianism its Federalism. This is no different than cities, counties, or municipalities having their rules and regulations trumped by higher level "state"(or in yall's case National) governments.

    The benefit from having common laws over a larger geographic region is that it unifies the various Euro markets into one market which all the member states will need if they want to compete in the international markets against the likes of India and China with their HUGE labor/talent pool.

    Sure there are problems, corruption chief amongst them but corruption exists at all levels of human interaction.

    Transparency should be increased no doubt, and corrupt officials found out and prosecuted but throwing out the entire idea of a federalized Europe seems almost like political ludditism.

  • socratesuk

    Turns out they did very well indeed!.

  • http://oldfox.info/ Terry "OldFox" Seale

    Thanks, `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
    All mimsy were the borogoves,
    And the mome raths outgrabe.

  • terrasodium

    if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's Logic.

  • Lisa AStanley

    Waste of time. The EU is the best and most intelligent project ever created and the positive far outweigh the negative.

  • Lisa AStanley

    If you work for a corporation you will see the benefits. Just as the rules of football are universal across the globe. It would be silly to have different rules in every country.

  • awful_truth

    While I agree with you that democracy does not guarantee intelligent decision making, or even fairness for that matter, (2 wolves and a sheep deciding what is for supper) 'stock market analysis' is a contradictory (and terrible) example since it is also not based upon reality either. (perception of reality, and twisted it is)
    P.S: I am unaware of any true national democracy in the world today)

  • Sophiecloud

    Silly post and obviously delusional.

  • a_no_n

    how is it?

    I'm British, and pretty much the only thing that's giving me any sort of job security is the EU.

    It isn't perfect, but if you're expecting perfection then you're an idiot because perfection doesn't exist.

    if you're going to call someone delusional at least have the decency to explain why,

  • a_no_n

    not really...In Britain UKIP got 8% of the vote.

    and considering over 60% of the population didn't vote.

  • a_no_n

    Not really.

  • a_no_n

    firstly Kosovo was a civil war, and secondly Kosovo was still over a decade away from joining the EU. the EU had absolutly nothing to do with Kosovo whatsoever and couldn't have done anything about it.

    I see a lot of insults toward the EU but no reasons why it deserves these labels...no doubt you believe all the tabloid nonsence about straight bananas and the propaganda put out by incredibly rich people and organisations who only want to leave the EU because it forces them to treat their workers like human beings.

  • a_no_n

    good luck trying to get people like that to pay attention to the facts...god forbid someone should look on Wikipedia and find out the actual story for themselves before jumping to their conclusions.

  • a_no_n

    fair enough...all things considering that's a pretty sensible attitude really.

    The problem with the Portuguese the Italians and the Greeks is that their governments are run almost entirely on corruption. The systems of these countries are so hideously backward and polluted with greed that they can barely function.

    So the EU does have a pretty difficult job to do, and it may seem unfair to other countries to have to pay toward other nations, but a slightly higher tax certainly beats having a chain of somalia like anarchist states along the Mediterranean.

  • a_no_n

    do you mean i'm being a prick again?

  • Vera Gottlieb

    A war is a war - civil or otherwise. If you lived in the EU, you would come to realize that it is a straight jacket - countries have given up a lot of their sovereignty. What Brussels says is what goes. I call Brussels a bureaucratic dictatorship.

  • http://oldfox.info/ Terry "OldFox" Seale

    That's a textbook false dilemma, a fallacious form of argument. There are other choices between "a slightly higher tax" and "a chain of somalia like anarchist states along the Mediterranean [sic]." Have you considered any other scenarios?

    You should know better than that.

  • a_no_n

    there certainly are, don't think i said there weren't... but you can't deny that that is the worst case scenario.

  • a_no_n

    amazing...it's like you completly ignored everything i said.

  • a_no_n

    i didn't say or suggest that it was the ONLY scenario, just the worst case. (Sorry for the double post, i didn't think my first iteration of this opinion went through.)

  • Sophiecloud

    Unless you work for the EU then the EU is actively trying to destroy jobs in the UK.

    It isn't perfect by any stretch of that word. It is corrupt and anti British though. Leaving it is our only option.

    You are delusional as you cannot see these very obvious facts.

  • a_no_n

    how is it trying to actively destroy jobs in the UK?

    Again, a lot of accusations but precious little evidence to back them up.

    What you're saying, it's rhetoric not fact.

    The richest people in society claim that the EU is destroying jobs...the reason they say that is because the EU is the only thing forcing them to treat their workers like human beings.

    Try getting your information from somewhere other than the Sun and the Daily Mail.

  • http://oldfox.info/ Terry "OldFox" Seale

    Well, you said "or." That only allows one of the two possibilities you characterized.

    I would reject any solution that provides for one farthing of higher taxes. That even though the City of Minneapolis continues to be flooded with Somalian Muslims that burden and tax the local citizens inordinately imposed on them by the federal government with no choice, decision, or input by the people that have to accommodate them.

    Don't get me started with Somalian Muslims in Minnesota. I have a couple of friends in that group, but most taxi drivers in that city are Somalian, who refuse to allow dogs (even seeing eye, guide and companion dogs) in the taxi, refuse to return their passengers home after a stop at a liquor store, and have demanded that the airport and city provide them public foot-washing facilities!

  • a_no_n

    i love the way that they all fit into a single sterotype...that's awfully convenient of them.

  • Sophiecloud

    The richest people (business owners) are very happy to have open boarder immigration as Eastern Europe is v cheap. This destroys the local populations ability to work.

    You have no clue about the economics of us being in the EU and are only there to collect the EU shilling... I really hope you find work when that gravy train finally dies.

  • http://oldfox.info/ Terry "OldFox" Seale

    Okay, you don't want to address your faulty logic and fallacious argument. I can understand.

    With regard to Somalian Muslims, they don't ALL fit into a single stereotype, but in case you are not aware, Islam is a political/religious system that is totalitarian by definition and allows for no diversity of thought, non-conformity, or innovation.

    That is why their military forces are always out strategized by the West and the European-cultured Israelis. Their only effective weapons are political propaganda at the UN, hiding their cowardly shooters behind women and children, and brain-washing their impressionable youth to believe that they can earn a mansion in the afterlife by dying in the commission of inhumane atrocities. Yeah, it "a religion of peace," alright. :o)

    BTW if any mullahs are reading here, I insult your pig Mohammed in the most egregious way for inventing a made-up religion that is not about Allah at all, but is all about him, the murdering "prophet." Bring it on, fatwistas.

  • a_no_n

    lol, seriously? are you that deluded that you think i'm only arguing with you because i've been paid to? delusions of grandeur much?

    In the uk it's actually illegal for an employer to pay someone less because of their ethnicity...so i'm afraid that bullsh1t argument doesn't hold any water.

    Employers are driving down wages because local governments let them.

    perhaps if you spent less time concocting absurd conspiracy theories about people who disagree with you and moved into reality you'd gain some perspective?

  • a_no_n

    ok first of all i did exactly what you did to me, focused on a part of your comment, if you're going to whine about something i'm doing, try and make sure you haven't just done exactly the same thing first ok.

    secondly Islam gave us advanced medical techniques, astronomy, advanced mathematics and lots of other things...so the idea that Islam doesn't allow for innovation is laughably ignorant of human history, though i've come to expect that from you.

    Your complaints about Islam offering eternal paradise and brainwashing children also ring quite hollow when you take Christianity into account...why does christianity not earn your scorn? or Judaism, or any other religion? just the religion that is mostly comprised of black and brown people...hmm...no underlying issues there surely?

    also, please if you're going to rattle off gross hate speech like your last paragraph, please do it on your own comments, don't piggyback it off of one of mine, not only do I not care about your personal seething hatreds, i am also not interested on seeing how you express it.

  • Sophiecloud

    You utter cretin. It is a well known fact that cheap European labour has forced wages down... Really, before you comment any more you should learn something about anything.

    No, I did not say you were paid to say that (you seem to have a severe problem with logic), I said your job is somehow EU related and so you have a bested interest to spout your lies...

  • dewflirt

    Morning :) Net migration has fallen by around a third over the last five years and people from China and India are arriving in much greater numbers than those from Poland. Hot on their heels are our friends from the US and Australia. So much for those pesky job stealing, council house thieving Europeans! let's hope they don't decide to work hard and contribute to the economy, that could be disastrous. Next thing you know they might marry our daughters and adopt cats from the RSPCA or go about pretending that they're ordinary people like us. Anyone would think they have rights. I guess the upside is that we have more than just the weather to yap about. If only we were all as familiar with the Office of National Statistics as we are with rain ;)

  • a_no_n

    so all that talk of shilling and gravy trains...what was that? Or has your feeble mind already forgotten that you said all of that?

    Haven't lied once...you're going to have to do better than string together ad hominem attacks...though that's about all any of you anti-eu lot can do.

  • Sophiecloud

    I never said shill you cretin. Gravy train applies of course.

    You are obviously lying if you do not understand that cheap Eastern European labour has driven down wages in the UK.. Either that or a cretin... Oh hang on...

  • Sophiecloud

    So what.... It was the 10 years of mass immigration from the EU that has already caused all the damage... Do you think a few years afterwards it is all forgotten?

    Immigaration from the EU is much greater than from any other country as there are no border controls... There are major obstacles for other non EU countries. You people are shameless in your lies.

  • a_no_n

    Lol, did you just learn the word cretin today or something? is that your word for the week?

    You implied that i was on the gravy train, i'm not. you were wrong again, deal with it.

    Eastern european immigrants aren't the ones who decide what wages should be, employers are...Employers decide what they will pay people.

    you're pathetic scapegoating actually helps the people driving down wages...but i wouldn't expect a xenophobe like you to understand that. you're too busy frothing at the mouth and throwing the word cretin about to think rationally.

  • dewflirt

    Us people? You mean me and the Office of National Statistics? Ok, if you say so ;)

  • Sophiecloud

    So, there is majority of immigrants coming from non-EU countries now? You only mentioned Poland... weasel words if ever I heard them

  • Sophiecloud

    If you are doing a job paid for by the EU then you are on a gravy train you cretin, deal with it.

    Of course not, how idiotic, business will pay as little as possible for staff, if an Eastern European immigrant will accept less than a local then guess what happens???

    Ahhh... There we go.... now I am a racist and quite possibly a frothing at the mouth fascist, the last resort for you cretins... hilarious...

    You are an apologist for the EU, taking the EU schilling (note this is not shill) and you are riding the EU gravy train until it crashes. You will then have to find a proper job in the real world. I will bet you will not be so happy that wages have been driven down by the EU immigrants at that time...

  • a_no_n

    i WISH i was on the gravy train...by the way, you realize that that is calling me a shill...insisting that i'm being paid to post my views is what the word shill means.

    you also spell shilling wrong, even if you mean the obsolete and Sovereign British currency. (i take it the irony of that sails over your head along with your misunderstanding of what the word shill means)

    I'm still waiting for anything even vaguely resembling evidence, or even a coherent explanation for your crackpot assertions...just a lot of name calling, like a spoilt child throwing all of her teddy bears out of the pram.

    lol you say i'm a shill in your first paragraph, then in your third you say you're not saying that and then immediately after say that i am by saying i take the EU shilling (which means i'm being paid to post my view...which is the dictionary definition for a Shill)

    You don't actually know what these terms and names all mean do you?, because you're using them all wrong.

  • a_no_n

    you say there are no border controls. I went to the netherlands from the UK a few weeks ago, i was stopped at both borders, both times, i needed a passport both times, and went through security checkpoints both times...so there Are border controls.

    .

  • Sophiecloud

    You are a cretin if that is your definition of border control. We CANNOT stop an EU citizen entering the UK

  • Sophiecloud

    I have not said you were paid to post your views, I said you were on the gravy train. Cretin
    Schilling is an old Austrian coin. Cretin
    It is all out there to observe, it is obvious, only a blind fool could not see it. Cretin
    I have never called you a shill. You said that to me, I said you took the shilling (see above) Cretin
    You are totally incorrect in everything you say. Cretin

  • dewflirt

    If you're going to panic about immigration it seems reasonable that you should panic about all immigration, not just that from our neighbouring countries. I would have thought the best way to do that is country by country. The five I listed for you are arriving here in greater numbers than from any others. I couldn't care less about open borders, allow people to move more freely and that's what they'll do, come and go as they please. I wonder if what you really fear is that 'Britain won't be British anymore?' Then I'd have to ask, what is British anyway? All this anti immigration nonsense is nothing but racism - doesn't sit well with me at all.

  • dewflirt

    Cretin isn't a word of English origin, just another immigrant really.

  • a_no_n

    So saying that i'm on the gravy train and that i'll have to get a real job soon isn't accusing me of working for the EU?

    You're going to have to explain your argument because i don't think you understand what you're saying.

    Where do you think the aussies got the shilling from? Britain,

    saying that i took the shilling is calling me a shill.

    you must be trolling me...surely you're not this stupid?

  • a_no_n

    The armed guards at both borders seemed to have a different opinion on that.

    Why should anyone be stopped if they haven't broken any laws?

    Do you have a wierd kind of tourettes?

  • Sophiecloud

    No, I just despair at your ridiculous pro EU stance, you are willfully ignorant.

  • a_no_n

    well, you could try using logic and evidence to explain to me why i'm wrong. i'm yet to see either from you, you're arguments don't extend beyond childish insults.

  • Sophiecloud

    You have said nothing logical or evidence based, why should I entertain someone who is wilfully ignorant.

  • dewflirt

    I gave you some facts, you didn't want them because they were weasely. Crouton!

  • http://1iotofoto.wix.com/otofoto oQ

    You forgot the Canadians, i'm sure i'm not the only one to have noticed. Great writing again and dot on.

  • dewflirt

    Morning Sunshine : ) I didn't forget you, you're just too special for the list!

  • Achems_Razor

    lol, "spot on" you mean.

  • Guest

    my spots are more like dots

  • http://1iotofoto.wix.com/otofoto oQ

    i really should have written bang on, more British.

  • Jonas Namensen

    I agree and it´s problematic that we can move money over borders if it fits our interests, when people from less fortunate places can´t easily do the same thing with their labor (That´s essentially whats enabling the exploitation of workers in the 3rd world). However i don´t think this movie was without any validity - the UK parliament didn´t want the Euro and neither does the public - the latest polls show nearly 80% opposition which is perfectly reasonable.

  • Prokonig

    I was willing to listen until you called despite the growing Euro-scepticism... then you called on Nigel Farage and annoyed me...

  • a_no_n

    Sorry i didn't realise asking people to proove their absurd claims was "Disrespectful"

    Safe to say i don't really care what you think, especially if you're not going to back up your retorts with any evidence or reasoning to try and prove that i'm wrong.

    Lol, i love the way that you do exactly what you're accusing me of doing...How about you follow your own advice and provide some evidence to back up you calling bullsh1t.

    Or perhaps tell me what it is you have a problem with so i can expand on it...don't just chuck all your teddies out the pram and have a tantrum because you don't like what i'm saying.

  • http://www.examiner.com/user-celebs4truth ConspiracyExaminer

    Total garbage! The EU is another attempt at a one-world government tyranny! Open your eyes!

  • TruthHurts2013

    Farage is the only way to get the UK out of this failed experiment called the EU. The EU doesn't stop war. The fact we are all allies within NATO is why we don't go to war. The EU is just a failure and will be exposed as one country after another get the power back from Brussels. Vote UKIP in May 2015 and join the people's army to take back our country.

  • TruthHurts2013

    Farage = common sense.

  • Peter JC

    If the EU prevents conflict and nothing else but to keep the peace it has served a great humanitarian purpose. I'm sorry but all EU nation states have been complicit in some of the most horror filled episodes of modern history. From colonisation, genocide, war, eugenics and more and you have spread it to the rest of the world. The day of warlord empires is over. I also make no apology in saying you have forfeited the right to individual self governance as nation states. You still have your languages, identity and nationhood. Frankly the rest of the world is sick of your conflicts, since the French Revolution (in modern historical terms) spilling to the rest of the world. Enjoy what you have and it might just work: and spare the rest of us.

  • Patrick

    Min 6:20, the author talks about Poland and shows clearly workers from Asia. Strange. Maybe I am missing something