Comments on: Game Over: Kasparov and the Machine http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/ Watch stunning, eyeopening, interesting, free, streaming, full, online documentary films and movies. Tue, 22 May 2012 12:48:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Anonymoushttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-164096 Anonymous Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:59:00 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-164096 I agree with Louis Carrillo. Was this really man vs machine when there was human intervention in between matches? This was a great marketing ploy by IBM - 'Big Blue'. The doc' touches on the way Big Blue was perceived at that time as the big cumbersome computer corporation whose strength was in hardware. The 15% rise in IBM shares following the win shows what this event did for the PR of IBM. Did it herald the point at which AI overcame mankind like the huge rise in share value indicated? Not at all but this was part of what the IBM PR machine wanted us to think. However it may have been the point at which IBM turned the corner and was seen as more then just a hardware manufacturer by the general public. I agree with Louis Carrillo. Was this really man vs machine when there was human intervention in between matches? This was a great marketing ploy by IBM – ‘Big Blue’. The doc’ touches on the way Big Blue was perceived at that time as the big cumbersome computer corporation whose strength was in hardware. The 15% rise in IBM shares following the win shows what this event did for the PR of IBM. Did it herald the point at which AI overcame mankind like the huge rise in share value indicated? Not at all but this was part of what the IBM PR machine wanted us to think. However it may have been the point at which IBM turned the corner and was seen as more then just a hardware manufacturer by the general public.

]]> By: Xercès Des Stèleshttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-160472 Xercès Des Stèles Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:58:00 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-160472 Whispering for the narration of a documentary; bad idea. Whispering for the narration of a documentary; bad idea.

]]> By: Mark Sutherland Jr.http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-157478 Mark Sutherland Jr. Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:11:00 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-157478 1:08:05 At that point in the Doc. I find it hard to watch the IBM programers talk about "all I did was program a computer to play chess" When throughout the whole film the listener can clearly see the IBM team was not only psyching Kasporov out, they were thoroughly enjoying it. A perfect example was the nature of there attitude towards not allowing the press to write the truth about the accusations. There inability to allow Kasparov to see the machines printouts. They were clearly in a, this is US vc YOU stance, and they knew the match was set before the sixth game was played. I would love to see a rematch played out. This time with some type of gaming commission at the helm and not the IBM and there powerhouse team of nerds. Somthing set up more fair for all partys involved.. 1:08:05 At that point in the Doc. I find it hard to watch the IBM programers talk about “all I did was program a computer to play chess” When throughout the whole film the listener can clearly see the IBM team was not only psyching Kasporov out, they were thoroughly enjoying it. A perfect example was the nature of there attitude towards not allowing the press to write the truth about the accusations. There inability to allow Kasparov to see the machines printouts. They were clearly in a, this is US vc YOU stance, and they knew the match was set before the sixth game was played. I would love to see a rematch played out. This time with some type of gaming commission at the helm and not the IBM and there powerhouse team of nerds. Somthing set up more fair for all partys involved..

]]> By: Leehttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-150250 Lee Sat, 15 Oct 2011 02:34:00 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-150250 I agree with the review. Even if you assume that IBM did not use any human intervention, it still did not dominate. Deep blue won 2 matches to 1 with the rest being draws. Wow, big deal. They spent all this money and had a team of experts and beat him twice. If a computer is truly dominant it should win every match. The computer has a built in advantage also. It does not have emotions. Gary was obviously mentally exhausted in Game 6 and basically gave up. He also could have forced a draw in game 2 if he would have played it out. I think they psyched him out. They didn't win. They just wore him down psychologically I agree with the review. Even if you assume that IBM did not use any human intervention, it still did not dominate. Deep blue won 2 matches to 1 with the rest being draws. Wow, big deal. They spent all this money and had a team of experts and beat him twice. If a computer is truly dominant it should win every match. The computer has a built in advantage also. It does not have emotions. Gary was obviously mentally exhausted in Game 6 and basically gave up. He also could have forced a draw in game 2 if he would have played it out. I think they psyched him out. They didn’t win. They just wore him down psychologically

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-142926 Anonymous Wed, 14 Sep 2011 00:23:00 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-142926 HAHAHAHAHA. The whisper HAHAHAHAHA. The whisper

]]> By: Louis Carrillohttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-127015 Louis Carrillo Sun, 17 Jul 2011 21:38:00 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-127015 this documentary was as amazing as it was provocative.....i think it cuts to the heart of the issue....why compete, why aspire to victory, why learn,why do we remember, why search for meaning, and why do we search for understanding.....we do so because those qualities in combination with other qualities define us as human beings....that's why we create these powerful computers from the beginning......for assistance .....for advantage.... Remember, if there was manipulation.....it wasn't Deep Blue at the helm. It was another programmer or HUMAN authoring the changes or adjustments. A pure machine couldn't even value the purpose of competition to begin with....so then , why would it cheat. This documentary touts man versus machine....but i can only see man versus other men ( be it the IBM team or IBM corp.) ....or more specifically....man versus himself....Garry seems to be a man who can derive meaning from past glory and from past defeat....this is what makes him great for the ages..his ability to learn,and his ability to improve......as for the machines....well the day that true Artificial Intelligence and realization of self becomes possible.....then the real board will change forever.....we may see that yet......thank you for posting this fantastic documentary. : ) this documentary was as amazing as it was provocative…..i think it cuts to the heart of the issue….why compete, why aspire to victory, why learn,why do we remember, why search for meaning, and why do we search for understanding…..we do so because those qualities in combination with other qualities define us as human beings….that’s why we create these powerful computers from the beginning……for assistance …..for advantage…. Remember, if there was manipulation…..it wasn’t Deep Blue at the helm. It was another programmer or HUMAN authoring the changes or adjustments. A pure machine couldn’t even value the purpose of competition to begin with….so then , why would it cheat. This documentary touts man versus machine….but i can only see man versus other men ( be it the IBM team or IBM corp.) ….or more specifically….man versus himself….Garry seems to be a man who can derive meaning from past glory and from past defeat….this is what makes him great for the ages..his ability to learn,and his ability to improve……as for the machines….well the day that true Artificial Intelligence and realization of self becomes possible…..then the real board will change forever…..we may see that yet……thank you for posting this fantastic documentary. : )

]]> By: Sanabiohttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-80448 Sanabio Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:25:26 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-80448 Great documentary Great documentary

]]> By: Lightfoothttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-78297 Lightfoot Tue, 01 Feb 2011 02:37:33 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-78297 I did't experience the film as biased, it did well at presenting a puzzle. Kasparov was quite sure the best player of his time, probably the best ever, and his doubts were not only emotional, but solidly backed with experience of the chess machines of his time, and he sure was an expert at that, too, if ever there was one. IBM had a great commercial interest, and that alone IS enough to raise doubts.What happened there, has surely got the attention of everyone who wrote (=coded) thereafter, so it doesn't add anything fair, or just worthwhile, to state that he played a bit below the ideal optimum, or that nowadays programs reach or even surpass the performance of DeepBlue.It may as well be that IBM cheated, they knew what was at stake, they wouldn't let anyone know. I mean, they invested millions into that victory, and they earned even more millions from what happened. You won't find a motive better that that, and they surely had the opportunity.I understood the whole "Turk" analogy as presenting exactly that puzzle. It might have been cheating, IBM had the opportunity to prove that it wasn't, but they didn't even try. So all we can do is guess this way or another, and the movie seemed to present exactly that, to me. Good docu. I did’t experience the film as biased, it did well at presenting a puzzle.
Kasparov was quite sure the best player of his time, probably the best ever, and his doubts were not only emotional, but solidly backed with experience of the chess machines of his time, and he sure was an expert at that, too, if ever there was one.
IBM had a great commercial interest, and that alone IS enough to raise doubts.

What happened there, has surely got the attention of everyone who wrote (=coded) thereafter, so it doesn’t add anything fair, or just worthwhile, to state that he played a bit below the ideal optimum, or that nowadays programs reach or even surpass the performance of DeepBlue.

It may as well be that IBM cheated, they knew what was at stake, they wouldn’t let anyone know. I mean, they invested millions into that victory, and they earned even more millions from what happened. You won’t find a motive better that that, and they surely had the opportunity.

I understood the whole “Turk” analogy as presenting exactly that puzzle. It might have been cheating, IBM had the opportunity to prove that it wasn’t, but they didn’t even try.
So all we can do is guess this way or another, and the movie seemed to present exactly that, to me. Good docu.

]]> By: Jeremyhttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-77082 Jeremy Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:13:01 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-77082 I enjoyed the content of the documentary, but some elements were awful. The strange music tones; the clicking, mechanical sounds that accompanied the equally strange cut-scenes to the Turk throughout; the odd, whispered voice that narrated occasionally as if sharing some great secret; all of this added up to me not enjoying this documentary when I really wanted to. Great content, amateurish presentation. I enjoyed the content of the documentary, but some elements were awful. The strange music tones; the clicking, mechanical sounds that accompanied the equally strange cut-scenes to the Turk throughout; the odd, whispered voice that narrated occasionally as if sharing some great secret; all of this added up to me not enjoying this documentary when I really wanted to. Great content, amateurish presentation.

]]> By: Jayhttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-68576 Jay Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:19:47 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-68576 Didn't watch the documentary yet, but didn't Kasparov accuse IBM of beaming microwaves into his head to screw up his chess playing ability?Pretty sure he is a nut :) Didn’t watch the documentary yet, but didn’t Kasparov accuse IBM of beaming microwaves into his head to screw up his chess playing ability?

Pretty sure he is a nut :)

]]> By: Mikehttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-67544 Mike Thu, 23 Dec 2010 05:12:08 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-67544 I know that this documentary is really really biased, I've watched it multiple times since it came out, but the thing that still really strikes me is that IBM was allowed to communicate with Deep Blue the entire time.Kasparov was not allowed to communicate with anyone.That is what really made me wonder, you know what are they telling the machine? Why not at least give Kasparov the input logs, not necessarily all the variations the computer considered, but at least the logs of what IBM was typing?I don't know... This documentary makes IBM and Kasparov look bad IMHO. It makes Kasparov look like a paranoid nut and IBM looks like they cheated. Both of which I don't believe are true. I know that this documentary is really really biased, I’ve watched it multiple times since it came out, but the thing that still really strikes me is that IBM was allowed to communicate with Deep Blue the entire time.

Kasparov was not allowed to communicate with anyone.

That is what really made me wonder, you know what are they telling the machine? Why not at least give Kasparov the input logs, not necessarily all the variations the computer considered, but at least the logs of what IBM was typing?

I don’t know… This documentary makes IBM and Kasparov look bad IMHO. It makes Kasparov look like a paranoid nut and IBM looks like they cheated. Both of which I don’t believe are true.

]]> By: RuyLopezhttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-63695 RuyLopez Thu, 09 Dec 2010 12:17:30 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-63695 Kasparov's quote that he played an emotional game against an unemotional opponent was brilliant. I enjoyed how this documentary explained the paranoid psychology that occurs within the chess players mind, both on and off the chess board. There's something about concentrating on a problem too intensely for a long period of time that can lead the mind to paranoia and conspiracy theories.Check out topdocumentaryfilms.com/dangerous-knowledge/ Kasparov’s quote that he played an emotional game against an unemotional opponent was brilliant. I enjoyed how this documentary explained the paranoid psychology that occurs within the chess players mind, both on and off the chess board. There’s something about concentrating on a problem too intensely for a long period of time that can lead the mind to paranoia and conspiracy theories.

Check out topdocumentaryfilms.com/dangerous-knowledge/

]]> By: Ashmanhttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-42295 Ashman Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:04:14 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-42295 I know IBM is hiding something,it's very evident from the fact that at the end when they ask him to open up deep blue to show the viewers , he says it's locked and then gulps, this is often a sign of deep emotion and deception while lying, they definitely were hiding something and still are I know IBM is hiding something,it’s very evident from the fact that at the end when they ask him to open up deep blue to show the viewers , he says it’s locked and then gulps, this is often a sign of deep emotion and deception while lying, they definitely were hiding something and still are

]]> By: Toocoolhttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-32734 Toocool Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:59:42 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-32734 I didn't know much about this match against deep blue, you learn a great deal of things watching this documentary especialy events between games.Although you can't conclude that IBM cheated, you can't deny that this game wasn't friendly at all. In some way IBM wasn't trying to play chess, Kasparov couldn't see any games or any log... You can be sure, they tested the computer's moves against Kasparov's previous games so them saying it would be unfair to the computer giving logs isn't quite true. When you look with some perspective, you realise it's not a big win, still the team from IBM behaves like they crushed him... Well may be mentaly, but Kasparov was playing a computer they should have made the event way more relaxing and behaved in such a manner that it would down size that aspect which only affects one side.The documentary was some times slow paced and could be less than 1 hour long. The whispering voice was a bit annoying but still worth seeing. I didn’t know much about this match against deep blue, you learn a great deal of things watching this documentary especialy events between games.

Although you can’t conclude that IBM cheated, you can’t deny that this game wasn’t friendly at all. In some way IBM wasn’t trying to play chess, Kasparov couldn’t see any games or any log… You can be sure, they tested the computer’s moves against Kasparov’s previous games so them saying it would be unfair to the computer giving logs isn’t quite true.
When you look with some perspective, you realise it’s not a big win, still the team from IBM behaves like they crushed him… Well may be mentaly, but Kasparov was playing a computer they should have made the event way more relaxing and behaved in such a manner that it would down size that aspect which only affects one side.

The documentary was some times slow paced and could be less than 1 hour long. The whispering voice was a bit annoying but still worth seeing.

]]> By: Unzar Joneshttp://topdocumentaryfilms.com/game-over-kasparov-and-the-machine/#comment-31252 Unzar Jones Wed, 26 May 2010 06:06:03 +0000 http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/?p=4551#comment-31252 Kasparov got beat, whether by machine or human intelligence, he needed to face that fact but was too insecure or weak of character.The "turk" images and continual biased references throughout the documentary tainted the film. Kasparov got beat, whether by machine or human intelligence, he needed to face that fact but was too insecure or weak of character.

The “turk” images and continual biased references throughout the documentary tainted the film.

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