Islam: What the West Needs to Know

I got shocked by it. A must see documentary.

Islam is garbage for peasants to eat. All religion is silly and childish.

Riviting! I watched every second very intensly. This was the most informative documentary I’ve watched on your sight so far, Vlatko. Absolutely eye-opening and a must see video. 10+ Thank you so much for finding and posting it.

So one sided– Give me $10,000 and I’ll make a just as shocking documentary about any religion out there. Most of the commentators in the documentary are known propagandists against Islam. Not recommended for one who really wants to understand the current situation regarding Islam and the West.

Dear Charles B.

This doc promotes fear and hatred towards Islam by skewing and cherry picking verses from Koran. It encourages mob mentality to those who are impressionable and ignorant. Same thing happened with Bush and his imaginary WMD.

Hence, a propaganda.

I don’t have PHD in Islam nor do I condone killing of innocents but this doc is just plain WRONG.

I think the conflict between the middle east and the west has more to do with US interventions, arms sales, drug sales, and oil then religion.

Joe: The WMD were used against the kurds, and conscripted scientist said they actually had to work on them, so we know for sure he had them. I saw an interview with a Kurdish survivor who escaped a horrible terrible death by mustard gus thanks to Saddam, while those downwind of her died horrible deaths. The WMD have been moved to Syria and/or are just very well hidden. Let’s hope that they are never used against your city or mine, but they are real.

Cherry picking the Koran? I hardly think so. If you want to know about the Bible, ask me. I have nothing to hide. If you want to know about the Koran, ask a former Muslim and terrorist (like the one in the video). He’s risking his very life to say what he did. Why do you suppose that 90% of the bombings (or higher) are Muslims bombing something or someone, even in places where they are not at war? They choose to be at war; it’s part of the religion.

Are you a Muslim? Just curious. I’d like to see you live under total Sharia Law for two years, and see if you still thought they were “cherry picking” scriptures from the Koran.

On the lighter side, it reminds me of that funny “Mars Invades” spoof movie where all the little aliens were saying: “Do not run! Do not be afraid. We are friends; we will not harm you!” while they were blasting eveyone with decentigration rays. Not even Jack Nickoles escaped! :-)

I too have met many muslims that I liked personally, and they seemed friendly enough, but I’m not hoodwinked into thinking all are like they, in fact, I’d say most are not in Muslim dominated countries. At the very least, they are terrible towards women and people of other faiths and not to be immulated or even defended in any way.

and one more thing

Your theory on ‘WMD hidden in Syria’ is highly questionable and improbable. Do check your sources.

I am a Muslim and i read these comments some of which I’ve been offended .Charles B,911 i didn’t know where are you getting this information from but you are very very mistaken.You are afraid of the light so come out from your cave to live and see for your self what is Islam is all about.
i hope you all good al salam alikom

AND BTW, Martin Lings has written about SHARIA LAW as well.

Sharia Means Path to the Water Hole:

It is intended to protect five basic rights of Humans like the Right to Life, Right to Property, Right to Religion etc.

More on Sharia by Dr.Ingrid Mattson, Canadian Scholar on Sharia, Islam:

http://ishare.rediff.com/music/others/ingrid-mattson/352756

Another prominent scholar and expert on Sharia Law in America is Professor Sherman Jackson of Michigan University. You can google about him.

He has PDF copies of common principles of Sharia for understanding of the common western men on the WWW.

when faith evolves to fanaticism, and then fanaticism becomes extremism, now that’s dangerous. you know, it really depends on the understanding of an individual when he/she uses his/her belief rather than his logical capacity to judge or to get things over with. so who’s really the one to blame? GOD or US people? where knowledge is the key to solve problems and will (eventually) led us to our own doom or religion which creates faith but will brings us to nowhere. as human beings, we can choose sides but each sides has its own dark side. think about it.

Charles B,

I respect your passion for your religious faith in Christianity and I pray that for your good health in life. However, i respectfully disagree with your judgement of a religion, in this case Islam, through historical accounts told by others. I believe that for a religion to be truly understood, one has to study the religion’s roots before exploring the religious texts and historical accounts. The Crusades were and are still revered by Christians as a fight for Christianity. Yet, to a non-believer who does not know and understand the roots of Christianity, it just looks like a massacre of innocent lives in the name of a greedy pope and king. This example has no malicious intentions, but trying to illustrate my point.

I am a Muslim. However, i refuse to judge any religion, especially Judaism and Christianity, based on historical accounts and word of mouth of others. I believe that they are made existent by God today for a reason, and being His humble servants, we are to respect and learn from His Creations. Personally, I feel that this documentary has made its point across clearly. But it was made with a single intention in mind and with questionable sources. Nevertheless, it is up to the viewers to discern fact from fiction – to use the principles taught by the individual’s faith in order to sieve through hatred and lies.

I’d love to discuss this with everyone of you, but something for you to think about:

“Terrorists are practicing Islam in its pure form.”

How would the world look like if all Christians would be practicing Christianity in it’s purest form?

Quick fact – Islam is a few hundred years younger than Christianity.

See what I’m getting at?

a true film! If Christians kills in the name of there god. they do it wrong according to the Bible, they cannot say the Bible says so!
on the contrary If a Muslim does not kill in the name of Islam. they do it wrong according to the Koran, they cannot say the Koran say so!
Think for your self. A good tree gives good fruits (Bible).

Baba, all religion is obsolete now. The bible is filled with instructions to inflict violence also. Have you read ALL of the “good book”? The old testament in particular?

“In the Old Testament there is so much war and violence sanctioned by Yahweh. Is this the same loving God portrayed in the New Testament? Let’s take this seriously by quoting a few verses that seem repugnant to us. For example, Deuteronomy 20 contains Yahweh’s instructions about war. If a city does not accept Israel’s offer of peace and open its gates, then “when the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it” (verse13). With regard to other cities, the command is (verse 16), “Do not leave anything that breathes.”

The INNER aspect of an apple is neglected if the OUTSIDE is mouldy and crawling with maggots. I could come up with a few more metaphorical analogies if we are playing that game.

I`m not “neglecting” the inner aspect of religions I am disregarding any possible inner aspect. To further the apple metaphor I believe they are all rotten to the core. One bad apple can spoil the basket too, in which case it’s far too late in the day to find a good one.

I understand your gems in rubble analogy, but surely it would be better employed to illustrate picking a religion that suits the person. Then picking the bits that they like? Usually I would say cherry picking but in this case…. apple picking?

Now I think Solomon is great but that particular quote isn’t one of his most clear. I`ll say little more unless you would wish to better explain what he was attempting to “make clear.” I`m not being obtuse. To take one part though “we should live the life that was upon us.” I would take the meaning of that to be: live naturally and to live is to fully live; not spend half of one’s waking moments in prayer and our noses buried in indecipherable “paradoxical and enigmatic” scriptures. Humans came well before books or gods.

If [insert the name of your God here] really wanted people to understand anything he supposedly sent angels, prophets and burning bushes to tell us, then being capable of ANYTHING he could in an instant send a clear and concise set of writings. No paradoxical and enigmatic meanings – just the facts. He could even get up to speed with technology maybe. Bring out a Blue Ray disk or start a blog on the inter-webs!

Now how could THAT not be in any way clearer?

Njaaa

Yes I agree we all seek self realisation. For my part I expect nothing special in my self realisation. I am no more special then any other of the creatures than walk crawl or swim this earth (most of whom don’t write nor read “sacred” texts.)

Know yourself…. It is all that we can ever really aspire to do! It is interesting that you refer to a Greek sage. Most of the Qu’rans “scientific” observations are Grecian in origin. Purely a coincidence of course that Greece was part of Muhammed’s caravan route as a merchant before he joined the snake oil trade?

What I will never understand is how the Islamic nations were at one point (1600 AD ish) premier in scientific and philosophical, knowledge and invention then … lost their way. Islam invented the distillery process for instance. Alcohol (PHUI) is an Islamic word…. yet regarded as evil now.

I`m going to have another beer and meditate on this some more…..

Skol!

Hardy it is clear to me you have never contemplated the existence of you inner apple!

Propaganda. they take Koran out of context, when Saladin took jerusalem back, he made a very peaceful treaty with its occupants, read history, and be comprehansive…

Visit http://www.jihadwatch.com for further reading from Spencer and other Islamic scholars. The verses are perfectly put into context, multiple accounts from the sunna are offered, the entire Q’uran is blogged and explained by Islam’s most trusted sources including the rightly guided caliphs, from cover to cover.

I urge you to do this before coming back with more ‘out of context’ tripe when none of you has read either the Q’uran or the Sunna.

great doc. Some of my Muslim friends feel very disturbed at the teaching of the Quran but are afraid to say so openly. I believe that more education and awareness will bring a sea change in the Muslim mind.
Those that live by the sword will die by the sword. (Bible)
I pray for them that they will follow the way of peace.

It’s interesting that the very same people who call the scholars of Islam biggoted themselves have never studied the supremacist, mysoginistic and racist doctrines found within the Q’uran and Sunna. The books are available for all, dispute the claims of the documentary with evidence, not namecalling and assumptions.

OMG!!! This is a load of rubbish and totally anti Islamic people read the Qur’an yourself and find out the truth. All the verses are quoted out of context.

Apologizing for Islam, are ya, well,…
“al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh” (the Abrogator and the Abrogated)
This simply means that in situations wherein verses contradict one another, the early verses are overridden by the latter verses.

Most Muslims fully understand that the few Quranic verses that seemingly promote equality, peace and justice are more often than not overridden/ nullified by later verses that validate such things as murder, terrorism and legalistic restrictions on routine human and women’s rights.

Karen Armstrong wrote in her review of Spencer’s books that he writes in hatred, deliberately manipulating evidence to support his thesis.[21]

“When discussing Muhammad’s war with Mecca, Spencer never cites the Koran’s condemnation of all warfare as an ”awesome evil”, its prohibition of aggression or its insistence that only self-defence justifies armed conflict. He ignores the Koranic emphasis on the primacy of forgiveness and peaceful negotiation: the second the enemy asks for peace, Muslims must lay down their arms and accept any terms offered, however disadvantageous. There is no mention of Muhammad’s non-violent campaign that ended the conflict.”

“People would be offended by an account of Judaism that dwelled exclusively on Joshua’s massacres and never mentioned Rabbi Hillel’s Golden Rule, or a description of Christianity based on the bellicose Book of Revelation that failed to cite the Sermon on the Mount. But the widespread ignorance about Islam in the West makes many vulnerable to Spencer’s polemic; he is telling them what they are predisposed to hear. His book is a gift to extremists who can use it to ”prove” to those Muslims who have been alienated by events in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq that the west is incurably hostile to their faith.”

again, the scholars and commentators from Islam’s earliest days fully agree with the interpretations offered here, western muslims who are embarrassed by the facts do not. Surprise surprise.

Another attempt to further apart eastern and western civilizations. This documentary is appalling and playing with the very psychology of human beings. Invoking and manipulating the emotion of fear against the unknown. Nearly 1429 years ago Islam started its journey from Arabia. Now its the world largest religion exceeding the number of catholics.

The most read book in the world is Quran. The most common name in the world is Muhammad. The most repeated announcement in the world (either in low of high voice) is Azan.The most commonly visited place in the world is Kabba (makkah) How can you marginalize such a vast faith by saying that it do not streamline with the modern western values.

Islam has the ability to sort out a human being from inside out. It gives the true meaning of life and contentment which most of us crave for. Islam do not favor capitalism or socialism let alone the dictatorship its clawed in nowadays. It advocates for equal rights for all humanity and strictly forbids racism which the west took so long to overcome.

Yes like every great system Islam has a political dimension. which tells people to establish a just society and stand against those who violate the rights of the vulnerable. and who is the vulnerable here? the one who cannot defend themselves. Now tell me; from such a long time, the imperialistic political forces are assaulting the weak and you are not ready to accept a retaliation?

Every action has a reaction which is equal in magnitude but opposite in direction”. Palestine, Iraq (twice), Iran (forced regime), Kashmir (sold along with its people by the British to feudals), Lebanon (you know), Bosnia (mass graves), Chechnya, Afghanistan (the playground of soviets and united snakes), Pakistan (the puppet of US who kills its own people on command).

Through a stone on a wall with force and its a chance it will bounce back to hit you. Now we are talking here about real human with living emotions. I asked an old afghan whats the most valuable thing in your life? he answered my family and my religion (and he added) both are under attack.

Like every potent medicine, Islam has some “side effects” which is not very easy to digest by any society based on free will and legislated on human desires. Islam is not just a set of beliefs like any other religion but a way of life which guides you in every matter of life from cradle to grave. It strictly forbids sex outside marriage, alcohol (Islam prefers a person with senses), demands most respect for the family elders (even if they ask you not to go out on weekend), forbids free mixing of the genders (prevention is better than abortion) and so on.

These “side effects” which are actually in place to sort out a society are disliked by the most free will (western) people and thus a conflict of values begin and the material for such documentaries is produced.

Islam is about integrity and logic. Don’t be biased and remember your thinking is not free to analyse the truth yet.

@beyhondhorizon and sami – I couldn’t have said it better myself. I am an American revert to Islam and hold degrees in Philosophy, MLIS and PhD in Islamic Studies. I wanted to add some comments but I think these two (and a few others) summed it up nicely.

@adam

Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Ibn Ishaq, Tabari and Abu Dawud are violent Hadith collectins from the earlierst, most reliable sources which fully agree with Islamic supremacist doctrines and how they are to be followed by believers.

Have you read the Hadiths? Violence and supremacism is intrinsic in Islam, open ended commands to wage war untill religion is only for Allah are prevailant and only western apologists seem to disagree. Hundreds of thousands of clerics, imams and other religious leaders are unanomous, as are the Hadith and the Sira, and the Qu’ran itself which commands warfare and subjegation. How anyone can disagree when the sources are plainly available is beyond me.

@ Jade:

I have the collections of Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim and also the Sunan of Abi Dawud. I do agree with you there is hadith in those vast hadith compilations which talk about violence. Please do bear in mind these books have thousands of hadith about the Prophet’s lifetime and his Companions.

The violence in those hadiths is totally justified because the Prophet and the Muslims fought those who where waging war against them. They were fighting so that peace can prevail and they were fighting for their own survival, which person would not fight in these circumstances? And do remember this was 1400 years ago there was no law or anything then you either fight for your survival or you die it was as simple as that. When the Prophet brought the Quran to the Arabs in the early 7th century A.D., a major part of his mission was devoted precisely to bringing an end blood feuds and mass violence. Pre -Islamic Arabia was caught up in a vicious cycle of warfare, in which tribe fought tribe in a pattern of vendetta and counter vendetta. Muhammad himself survived several assassination attempts, and the early Muslim community narrowly escaped extermination by the powerful city of Mecca.

The Prophet had to fight a deadly war in order to survive, but as soon as he felt his people were safe, he devoted his attention to building up a peaceful coalition of tribes and achieved victory by an ingenious and inspiring campaign of non violence. When he died in 632, he had almost single-handedly brought peace to war-torn Arabia.

Steve is right.

Dear Readers,
May Peace, Blessings & Mercy of God Be With You,

First & foremost thank you for your feedbacks. Accusations of any kind are merely lip service. What I requested are evidences from authentic sources but evidences are amiss.

For 13 years prior to meeting the persecutors at the battle field, Muhammad & his companions kept their patience & tolerance. Out of 23 years of Prophet Hood, Muhammad & his companions suffered dearly at the hands of the persecutors – even with dire loss of lives, belongings & security they demonstrated the highest level of patience & perseverance -for which the proven History is yet to bear record to such courageous men unparallel to any recorded History of men.

Guide me to proven records – perhaps I will assist you out in your ad vocation & let those thinking Westerns who are turning to Islam in thousands today to pause & rethink about their choice of accepting Islam.

Alternatively, let us invite all the major news network & have an open session on the danger Islam poses to humanity follow it up with a Q&A session hence everyone who attend the meeting can have an irrevocable opportunity to express themselves & have the world media(s) live telecast it worldwide.

With due respect, may I ask what denomination you may belong to, thus I can understand your background much better.

Let me know your thoughts.

Defensive battles? You cannot be serious. Muhammad lead some 70 battles all of which except for 1 were offensive with a view of expanding Muslim dominance and brutally enslaving Christians, Jews, Zeroastrians and others under Islamic law and governance.

The Muslim empire expanded drammatically under Muhammad and after his death under the 4 rightly guided Caliphs that continued their brutal raids of aggression against their neighbours. They burned, plundered, raped, took women as war booty and demanded the Jizya be paid with willing submission and humiliation.

All of th Arabian peninsula, North Africa, Southers Europe, Asia Minor, the Balkans, north India, Persia were overrun by muslim armies believing that religion should be for Alah, as their holy scriptures commanded.

The Koran says so. The Hadiths say so. The scholars agree. The schoold of jurisprudence agree. Modern scholars agree. Thousands of Imams and clerics to this day agree. Only the Muslims in the west seem to disagree with 1400 years of history and their own ‘holy’ texts.

Rather a pickle they are in given Islams violent doctrines and bloody past. It’s is a supressive, supremacist political sysem which cannot be criticised or reformed, because it is crystal clear, it’s objectives are evident.

Take it from Majid Khadduri, an Iraqi scholar of Islamic law of international renown. In his book War and Peace in the Law of Islam, which was published in 1955 and remains one of the most lucid and illuminating works on the subject, Khadduri says this about jihad:

The state which is regarded as the instrument for universalizing a certain religion must perforce be an ever expanding state. The Islamic state, whose principal function was to put God’s law into practice, sought to establish Islam as the dominant reigning ideology over the entire world….The jihad was therefore employed as an instrument for both the universalization of religion and the establishment of an imperial world state. (P. 51)

Don’t believe Khadduri? Very well. How about Imran Ahsan Khan Nyazee, Assistant Professor on the Faculty of Shari’ah and Law of the International Islamic University in Islamabad. In his 1994 book The Methodology of Ijtihad, he quotes the twelfth century Maliki jurist Ibn Rushd: “Muslim jurists agreed that the purpose of fighting with the People of the Book…is one of two things: it is either their conversion to Islam or the payment of jizyah.” Nyazee concludes: “This leaves no doubt that the primary goal of the Muslim community, in the eyes of its jurists, is to spread the word of Allah through jihad, and the option of poll-tax [jizya] is to be exercised only after subjugation” of non-Muslims.

Don’t believe him? I can quote HUNDREDS of thousands quotes like the above two. Knowing this, why is anyone defending this barbaric political farce?

@Jade:

WOW Muhammad lead some 70 battles?? that is a load of rubbish and pure lies.

Give me the names of these 70 battles if you are truthful I will be waiting.

Adam I suggest you study the topic, you obviosly have never read the Sira where all the battles and raids are documented, some in depth. We’ve established also that you have never read or studied the Hadith obviously and do not have even basic knowledge of Islamic doctrines or history.

You asked me to name the scholars, I gave you Islam’s most trusted sources, you skim over the overwhelming evidence and attemopt to muddy the water even more. I think you are not interested in a genuine discussion..

Sami,

Heres something that most westerners believe, “Freedom of choices” be it religion among other things. You stated that Islam will rise up, at what cost shall it rise? destruction, war, death?

Western countries were founded on one religion, and accept many others as part of our melding pot. I personally don’t want to have my government force any religion on me. So if my countries head officals say “wait thats not how we run things here” why should we as a people be forced to follow Islam?? Yes we should be allowed to practice our beliefs in our own way in our own home in our own temple of choice.

I feel Islam is being forced upon us and why? do I not have the right to choose a religion as I see fit?

I have educated my self in the Muslim belief, you are part of a very beautiful religion with strong ties to the history of the world. Have you educated yourself in Catholism or any other “new world” religion? To often I find people unwilling to learn another culture because of close mindedness!

@Jade:

Excuse me if I was ignorant of Islam I wouldn’t be here trying to discuss this issue with you and others so please don’t think I am an ignorant Muslim who is unaware of the texts of Islam because that assumption by you is totally baseless. I choose to be a Muslim and not because my parents are Muslim or whatever else you may be thinking. It’s an obligation upon every Muslim to educate their self and others about Islam.

Throughout a person’s lifetime he or she is continually learning similarly a Muslim who is studying Islam is always learning and he/she never stops gaining knowledge. It’s not possible for student of Islam to master all its different sciences you have to remember Islam is a way of life and much more than just a religion.

Jade you have mistakenly assumed that I have never read the ‘Sirah’ of the Prophet. I would feel very shameful as a Muslim not to have read the sirah of the Prophet and I’m sure so would many other Muslims.

I have read several different compilations about the life of the Prophet by a number of different authors. The most popular and the most authentic is the book named “The Sealed Nectar” by Saifur Rahman al-Mubarakpuri. There are numerous other works by scholars in the Arabic language which have not been translated into the English.

The battles and raids are well documented, you said in one your previous posts that the prophet ‘lead some 70 battles’- this is an appalling lie that you or someone else has made up. This number is concocted by those who wish to spread false information about Islam. I asked you before for the names of these battles and I ask you again if you are truthful to give me the names of these 70 battles.

How can you say that I have not studied or read hadith when I had replied to SteveM’s post by quoting numerous hadiths? Look at my previous posts. So again you really don’t know what you are talking about.

You have not gave any references for any of these battles. All you have done is name a few books of hadith narrations which consist of many volumes. For your information Sahih Bukhari consists of 9 vols., Sahih Muslim consists of 7 vols. and Sunan Aboo Dawud consists of 5 thick vols. I have these collections in my library so I know how vast these books are. You say to me that I am skimming over the overwhelming evidence when you have only named titles of books and you think that you have proven your point? You have proved nothing and have said a lot which does not hold any substance at all.

Jade I am really interested in a genuine discussion with yourself but a discussion that is productive so please bring your sources for these ’70 battles lead by Muhammad’ then we will talk about all the other issues you have raised.

There are many people who really want to understand the current situation regarding Islam and the west. The gap between the Muslim and non Muslim communities is going to continue to grow if people don’t speak out about these bigots and their hate propaganda which they are spreading. I and many other Muslims do not want this to be the case but there are bigots out there on both sides who use every opportunity and exploit them further for their own cause and this propaganda is just one clear example of that.

“The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives” (Bukhari 46:717)

Although there are many reliable accounts from the Hadith and Sira that mention the Mustaliq grazing cattle, not one mentions Muhammad making any effort at peacemaking. In this case, Muhammad’s men raped the women (with his approval) after slaughtering the men (Sahih Muslim 3371).

Near the end of his life, the prophet of Islam directed military campaigns for the mere purpose of spreading Islamic rule. He knew that some cities would resist and others would not. He left instructions to his people for dealing with each case:

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If you come to a township (which has surrendered without a formal war) and stay therein, you have a share (that will be in the form of an award) in (the properties obtained from) it. If a township disobeys Allah and His Messenger (and actually fights against the Muslims) one-fifth of the booty seized therefrom is for Allah and His Apostle and the rest is for you. (Sahih Muslim 4346)
As can be seen, those who were not at war with the Muslims are to be subjugated anyway, and their property seized. The only distinguishing factor is the extent of Muslim entitlement following the victory.

Military campaigns to extend Islamic domination include the raid on Tabuk, which was a second incursion into the Christian territory of Syria, in which Muhammad forced the local populace to pay him tribute after ambushing and killing local civilians to assert his authority (Ibn Ishaq 903). Another example would be the “convert or die” mandate given to an Arab tribe, the Banu al-Harith:

Then the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying, “If you accept Islam you will be safe.” So the men accepted Islam as they were invited. (Ibn Ishaq 959)

In fact, the first part of the 9th Sura, the most bellicose chapter of the Qur’an, was revealed shortly after the Muslims had established military dominance in Mecca. Consider one of the more violent verses:

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them (9:5)

The words, “when the forbidden months are past,” precludes the possibility that this was a matter of self-defense.

The Muslims had already been given the divine right to fight during the sacred months, and it is simply implausible that they would have suffered attacks over a four month period without defending themselves. That they were not under attack is consistent with the historical context, in which the Haj period was a traditional time of peace and tolerance throughout Arabia.
Although not under attack from the pagans, Muhammad ordered his men to chase and kill the unbelievers following the Haj. The pagans who agreed to become Muslim (ie. practice the pillars of Islam, zakat and salat) would be allowed to live following their conversion. Verse 9:29 offers a separate rule for Jews and Christians, allowing them to keep their religion as long as they pay protection money to Muslims and acknowledge the inferiority of their faith. Should they resist, then they should be killed.

One of the best documented examples of Muslim aggression during the lifetime of Muhammad is the attack on the peaceful community of Khaybar. This followed the treaty of Hudaibiya between the Muslims and Meccans, which called for a period of peace between the two groups. The treaty was controversial with Muslims, not only because it contradicted Allah’s prior mandate to “drive out” the Meccans with violent force (2:191), but also because Muhammad agreed not to be recognized as a prophet in the document (Muslim 4401).

Muhammad decided that it was prudent to attack the Jews at Khaybar in order to regain the trust of his people and placate their grumbling with military victory and (especially) the stolen wealth that followed. This is embarrassing to modern-day Muslim apologists, who try to justify the siege by imagining that the sleepy farming community, located about 100 miles outside of Medina, posed some sort of necessary threat.

Unfortunately for contemporary apologists, not only is there no supporting evidence that the Muslims were under attack by the Khaybar, there are at least three historical references that flatly contradict any notion of self-defense on the part of Muhammad. The first is a description of the initial attack by Ibn Ishaq:

We met the workers of Khaybar coming out in the morning with their spades and baskets. When they saw the apostle and the army they cried, “Muhammad with his force,” and turned tail and fled… The apostle seized the property piece by piece… (Ibn Ishaq 757)
The people of Khaybar were not attacking Muhammad. They were farming their land with shovels and buckets, not even knowing that they were supposed to be at war. This is further confirmed in the same text:

When the apostle raided a people he waited until the morning. If he heard a call to prayer he held back; if he did not hear it he attacked. We came to Khaybar by night, and the apostle passed the night there; and when morning came he did not hear the call to prayer, so he rode and we rode with him. (Ibn Ishaq 757)
Muhammad attacked only after waiting to see if the people of Khaybar issued a morning call to prayer. This would have no possible relevance had they already been at war with him.

Perhaps the best proof that Muhammad was not acting in self-defense is the fact that his own people did not understand why they were marching to war. His son-in-law, who was in charge of the military expedition, had to ask for justification:

Allah’s Messenger called Ali [and said]: “Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory,” and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah’s Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger…” (Sahih Muslim 5917)
The question Ali posed would have been unnecessary had the Muslims been under attack by the Khaybar or if the answer to the question were obvious. As it is, Muhammad’s reply underscores the ostensible purpose of the campaign, which was to force the Jews into acknowledging the superiority of Islam.

Muhammad’s men easily captured Khaybar and divided up the loot. The prophet of Islam tortured the community’s treasurer to extract information, then had him killed (Ibn Ishaq 764). Muhammad then took the man’s widow, Saffiya, as his wife after trading two other captured women to one of his lieutenants (Ibn Ishaq 758). The surviving Jews were allowed to stay on their land provided that they gave their Muslim masters an ample share of their crops.

Therefore, the rule of aggression in Islam, from the example set by Muhammad, is that it is proportional to the power held by Muslims, and not the persecution that they are under. The rare verses of peace in the Qur’an were “revealed” in Mecca, when true oppression existed (in some cases). The verses of violence that are revealed later correspond to Muslim military might even as any persecution of Muslims had largely dried up.

We have to conclude that Adam and his like are either: ignorant of Islams supremacist and violent doctrines or they are lying when speaking to westerners.

Why would any Muslim lie? Isn’t lying a morally reprehensible practice according to Islam?

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to “smooth over differences.”

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam – in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

The Qur’an:

Qur’an (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur’an (3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”

Qur’an (9:3) – “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur’an (40:28) – A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must “hide his faith” among those who are not believers.

Qur’an (2:225) – “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts”

Qur’an (66:2) – “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths”

Qur’an (3:54) – “And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be “compelled” to deceive others for a greater purpose.

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:269) – “The Prophet said, ‘War is deceit.’” The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad’s men after he “guaranteed” them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).

Bukhari (49:857) – “He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.” Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

Bukhari (84:64-65) – Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an “enemy.”

Bukhari (52:271) – Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka’b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad’s insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka’b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.

@Jade:

Jade you’re just a sad pathetic person who likes to pick up random sayings and actions of the Prophet and instead of giving a correct explanation for the actions and saying you just twist them for your own evil agenda.

Don’t people kill in a state of war?? Even in the 21st Century people are dying all the time. Do you even know how many people have died in Iraq war? If killing criminals is a crime then you better start punishing the whole world.

However I will refute the first few points you have made its obvious that you have just copied and pasted your hate from elsewhere so I am not going to sit here and explain every single ignorant comment you have made.

Secondly I am STILL waiting for the proof for the ’70 battles lead’ by the Prophet. The clock is sticking……

mohammed was a pedophile and had sex with a child.

if he is supposed to be a prophet of god he ought to know that having sex with a child is ALWAYS wrong.

i cant wait to watch the muslims make up excuses for this.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Arabs had some code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and did not make war against it. A adopted son’s wife was deemed to be a daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was customary that close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood between him and his interests or whims.

Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according to their costoms Ayesha was supposed to be like a niece to the Holy Prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only six years old.

When Islamic terrorists massacred 186 children and 148 other non-Muslims on the morning of September 3rd, 2004 at a schoolhouse in Beslan, Russia, very few Muslims celebrated the high-profile event and some even took the time to denounce it. But, in a community renowned for its peevishness, there was very little passion over the routine slaughter of innocents in the name of Islam.

While rumors of a Qur’an desecration or a Muhammad cartoon bring out deadly protests, riots, arson and effigy-burnings, the mass murder of non-Muslims generally evokes yawns. In the six years following 9/11 more than 10,000 acts of deadly Islamic terrorism were perpetrated, yet all of them together fail to provoke the sort of outrage on the part of most Muslims that the mere mention of Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo inspires.

This critical absence of moral perspective puzzles many Westerners, particularly those trying to reconcile this reality with the politically-correct assumption that Islam is like other religion. The Judeo-Christian tradition preaches universal love and unselfishness, so it is expected that the more devout Muslims would be the most peaceful and least dangerous… provided that Islam is based on the same principles.

But beneath the rosy assurances from Muslim apologists that Islam is about peace and tolerance lies a much darker reality that better explains the violence and deeply-rooted indifference. Quite simply, the Qur’an teaches supremacy and hate.

It is pointless to discuss ignorant people like what I see here. SO I decided not to answer you guys because of your harsh impolite language that offends me. This is my last comment. And I recommend all Muslims to just neglect this discussion.

@ Epicurus.

It was a common practice by all nations in the past to marry from very young woman, here are some:
1- Girls at the age of 3 were forced into sex in both the Talmud and the Bible. Also, the age consent in US and Europe was as low as 10. Age consent in our world today only 100 years ago to girls as young as 10

2- Child marriage in Judaism was traditionally restricted to female children; the earliest point at which a male is permitted to become betrothed (Hebrew: erusin) is when he reaches the age of majority, 13.[5] According to the Talmud, it was permissible for an adult male to marry a girl as young as 3.

3- In India during the 1860’s, marriage meant girls getting married below 8 or 9 years old. Socio-reform religious movements such as the Brahmo Samaj and the Arya Samaj pioneered work against child marriage. Late in the 1860’s some success was met when the Indian Penal Code prohibited intercourse with a wife who had not reached ten years of age.

4- The Hebrew Bible (Christian Old Testament) describes a number of marriages, including those of Isaac,[Gen 24:49-67] Jacob,[Gen 29:27] and Samson.[Judg 14:7-12] Polygyny, or men having multiple wives at once, is one of the most common martial arrangements represented in the Hebrew Bible,[67] yet scholars doubt that it was commom among average Israelites because of the wealth needed to practice it.

5- The age of sexual consent is still quite low in many places. In Japan, people can legally have sex at age 13, and in Spain they can legally have sex at age 12.

Details:
The pedophilic Biblical verses are Numbers 31:17-18 and Numbers 31:35-40. Below, you will see DETAILED HISTORY on these SPECIFIC verses from the Jewish Talmud explaining the pedophilia that took place against the 3-year old slave girls under the direct command of Moses

They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man……..Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)”

The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children:
According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were “suitable for having sexual relations.”

can you post my latest comment…

@Epicurus

Ok you got it now, good. the prophet was ideal and a GOD’s messenger. Find you something else to talk about. Did you hear about your priests molesting children in churches. lets talk about this.

lol once again. okay lets talk about that priests having sex with children is disgusting and the catholic church ought to be abolished like any other organization would.

what makes you think im christian? i am not. im an agnostic atheist.

now back to the point. if Mohammad was a prophet of god he should be MORAL. if he had sex with children he was IMMORAL. in no time in history was it RIGHT to have sex with children. just because it was accepted and normal doesnt mean it was right. the prophet of god should know right from wrong. he didnt because he was nothing special. he was just an old perverted man who used religion to get his way.

you just once again tried to use the argument that it was okay because everyone else was doing it.
just admit its wrong and Mohammad was a pedophile.

i dunno how much of this is true having never read the actual teachings of the religion myself. but i’m sure many have heard about the threatening of south park creators over talking about moohamed and whatnot. some crazy things going on maybe.

forget not what happen in Beslan , Moscow Theatre , Bali , India and other place

“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUuH2G7dPFk&feature=related”

Its ashamed that any one human being can have the audacity to tell another they should be wiped off the planet because your beliefs are different. How embarrassing to have you identify yourselves who feel this way as American or Christian because it doesn’t represent us at all.

The difference being is that Christians commit these crimes DESPITE the teachings of Christianity, Muslims have supressed, enslaved, murdered, occupied, raped and pillaged for 1400 years BECAUSE of the teachings of Islam (and the example of their warlord prophet)

I’m not muslim yet but I have to say nothing touched my heart more than islam, I read the Koran and the life of muhammed and I’m starting to understand it although it didnt make any sence to me last year

Did you ask your selves why all not Muslim countries make Distort and attack Islam ,
Because it’s the true Religion , that is what happened to Jesus
and the other Prophets.
I say take information from the origin from Muslim people not from Spiteful people .

Islam is the right way

there are no peacefull religions.
as tempting as it is, to blame it all on the history of islam is a bit one sided..
the other religions weren’t so peacefull in early times either, the real difference is cultural, while the western culture (or civilization) condemns the brutal actions taken in the name of one’s religion, the islamic and especially arab culture supports it when it is in their benefit.
this is the real shamefull thing, not the islam itself.
and even more shamefull are the people of the west that supports it, seen many of those in my discussions here.

Some of you people really disgust me. The Quran, just like the bible or Torah can be misinterpreted, and this can lead to religious extremism. Has anyone ever heard of the crusades (sarcasm) ? Come on people, stop picking on one religion as if it is the only one in history that has followers who are extreme. This documentary is clearly Islamophobic and is unfruitful in its aim. Shame on the producers who make this junk.

waow…EJ your commentary is the only sensible one I found on this documentary, thank you for keeping it clean! I am not going to bother wasting my time watching something that promotes the hate of others…. have a look at “Ghosts of Rawanda” and other similar docs. In my opinionit is better to remind youselves of what your role is in society, what lead you will take. There are extremists everywhere, inside and outside religion and interpretation of sources counts a lot for how people/faiths are perceived.

Stereotypes, hardly die :)

I am surprised that people who claim to be unbiased and neutral are pretty eager to take the game of ‘Demonising Islam’.

If Islam were considered to be spread by conquering and killing, lets not forget what happened in following places:
a. North America – Extermination of Native Americans
b. South America – Extermination of south American Natives
c. Southern Africa & Apartheid
d. Australia – Holocaust of Aborigines
e. Enslaving India & China, and force the locals to produce ‘Opium’ : for someone who does not know, Wars were fought by massacering natives for forcing Opium trade.
f. American History of Slavery
g. Spanich ethnic-clensing of Jews & Moslems – Inquisition
h. Klu Klux Klan & lynching of African-Americans
i. Frying up two entire cities with children, old and women in Japan.
j. Making life hell out of vietnamese, and now repeating it in Afghanistan and Iraq not to forget I am leaving Palestine out of the picture.
k. Lastly, If anybody can objectively see what was the World-War l. was about – It was essentially fought by powers over stealing wealth in “Africa” :)
m. The Oklahoma bombings were not labled “Christian Terrorists” – but WTC attacks were labled “Muslim Terrorists” – Media has some real biases ! – a Terrotist is a terrorist, why drag a whole community and beat its name to evil & death ?

Islam had its ripples only in Middle-East, but the Euro-American “White Monopoly” on terror and killing spanned 6 Continents.
The so called terrorism in Islam is just like a ‘mole-hill’, when compared to a mountain of ‘White domination & terrorism’.

The so called “White Euro-American” Society has much larger & serious questions to answer than any Islamic Mulla or Islamic Extremist.

Though I am not a black or Moslem, but When I see that Islam is being targeted as evil and barbaric – I cannot help but find what the our so called ‘Modern White Civilization’ has to offer – the worst things packaged in attractive sheets !

so..

@ Anti-collectivist,

Just wondering,did you watch the documentary at all?? I ask that as clearly you seem to be missing the whole point.Yes you are correct in bringing up the atrocities committed by the western world and in many cases were done in the “Name of God”.But of every single tragic instance aforementioned has there been any sort of backing or support into justifying the most heinous of acts in accordance with Biblical scripture? Certainly not…it just doesn’t exist.

As seen and heard in the documentary we learn that subjugation,martyrdom and violence is a main stay in Islam heavily based on it’s scriptures and teachings.Previous posters have solidified this point.

Cant believe i just wasted soooo long reading all this ha ha.
Sorry Muslims, you got owned
Good doc though, got the old resistance discources rolling
(Call on Jade in case of intellectual warfare)

God Bless you all. I can say Christianity, Bhudism, Hinduism, Sikhism, among others are all peaceful religions preaching love, peace, and harmony.

Islam is the only sick cult (so called religion)that has managed to force or brainwash millions around the world.

They believe the angel Gabriel came down and gave the “word” to the sicko they follow and call Mohammed. It was the devil himself pretending to be the angel Gabriel.

The ROOT of the religion itself, the base, the foundation, Mohammed himself all of it, is dirty, sick, and corrupt. God would never send a messenger who could kill, rape, give orders to kill, lie, cheat, the list goes on. ONLY THE DEVIL HIMSELF COULD GIVE ORDERS LIKE THAT.

I can understand how anyone in the world can follow any other religion in the world, just not the sick cult Islam.

I want to ask every Muslim this:

Who would you rather follow, a man who healed the sick, helped the poor, NEVER KILLED OR EVEN LAID ONE NEGATIVE FINGER OR EVEN THOUGHT FOR THAT MATTER ON ANYONE, fed the poor, and EVEN GAVE HIS LIFE FOR US!!!!!!!!!!

OR

A man that killed thousands of people with his own hands, raped hundreds of women and children, gave orders to kill tens of thousands, cheated, lied, deceived, and soo many undescribable other sickening acts

The answer is so simple. It is up to you to truly fill your heart with TRUE LOVE, or TRUE HATE. If you pick the latter, well, God Bless your soul, and I forgive you!!!

Ask yourselves this:

1. Why is there war around the world wherever there are Muslim populations?????

2. Why can new churches or any other religous temples other than Islamic ones not be built in Saudi Arabia, and many other Islamic nations.

3. Why are they the only religion that can not tolerate living with others in peace.
Because the religion is F’N evil. Peaceful is the LAST thing islam is.

Muslim people, wake up, your lying to yourselves. Islam IS NOT PEACEFUL. READ YOUR HOLY TEXTS, ACTUALLY READ THEM, ALL OF THEM.

If someone hits you, turn your cheek and let him hit the other side, if someone throws a stone at you, throw him or her back a loaf of bread.

Jesus is love, Jesus is peace. Jesus, Budha, Krishna, Guru Nanak, God Bless them all.