Here is a pretty concise reply.

Here is the cite about Jesus: Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Book 18, Chapter 3, starting at verse 3; in which he was “he was a doer of wonderful works” and in which even Josephus (a non-believer of historical record) states that he rose from the grave – “for he appeared to them alive again the third day; (10) as the divine prophets had foretold.” Note that it does not say that they “claimed…” – it is written as fact.

You can Google “Antiquities of the Jews” and pull up the book, chapter and verse from more than one site. I have it in a hardbound book and on my e-Sword Bible software.

If you meant to state that the entry itself is a “lie” (pretty far reaching conclusion), you might want to check out :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

Some scholars doubt that some parts of the entry are correct; very few doubt that the text existed, since it is dated and authenticated within the whole body of Josephus’ works, which are voluminous. And the vast majority of scholars accept it. What is the nature of your research in this matter?

Please see also:
http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/josephus.html

Thank you for your interest.

And then there are the extensive works written by accepted historian Flavius Josephus, himself a Pharisee, who nevertheless mentions (briefly, of course) that there was a man known as Jesus Christ who was a teacher and who performed miracles.

It amazes me how humanity goes out of its way to deny the Truth that is right in front of one’s eyes, and which is given even more creditability as new discoveries and proof methods evolve with our culture.

On unrelated point given recent events in Israel during past decade as well as Christian history – you folks don’t really take seriously when God says Thou shall not take an innocent life. Religious people tend to be very picky about their most sacred books whenever it suits them and whatever they are comfortable with. Seems like good people do good things and bad people do bad things regardless of their faith – In that case what commandments are really good for? As someone who doesn’t hold any monotheistic belief I hardly doubt that you will see me killing over some mosque or a wall over and over and over and over again.

I rather prefer to put trust in my humanity using writers like David Hume – he’s pretty specific and leaves very little room for interpretation. We just have to figure out how to accept our differences cultural or ethnic and work out how to live together and make this World a better place. As someone who studies both history and what religious people do even now I would call it rather something that gets in the way of doing that not the other way around.

It’s true that Christians and Muslims like to threaten sinners with hell ( hardly a loving thing to wish) and seem quite smug in their belief that they will be exempt from such punishment. However, Jesus said that no one is worthy of the kingdom of heaven. If that is true then no one can know who goes to hell (if is exists) or who doesn’t. Each individual should try to live as good a life as possible and let the chips fall where they may.
As cruel as these religious icons and figures appear to be, I don’t think you should be throwing stones. I have seldom witnessed such hateful language as I have read in your posts. I pale at the thought of a person who could be so angry and vitriolic becoming the leader of a country. Hitler used such language also and look at the misery that hatred caused. Believe what you will but if you want to change the world don’t become what you want to change.
I did like your references to busy bodies.

This is religious material, not scientific material. Period.

Yeah You do understand, Thanks for sharing. You probably know at this time I feel confused yet I feel like its ok to be confused on this type of journey with no answers but yet seeking every tid bit I can to form a complete thought.

I left out the science road in my last posting.

There is something though that has been a solid rock that I have been able to break thru barriers with and that is a belief in a higher existance but that that entity is within us. The Godself in Us. That we have a choice which mindframe to use.
I am not trying to sell something but I do have a lifetime subscription to mindreality.com and It seeems to fit exactly what I believe as the higher power thru US and it fits with Science.
Its more like this. That the consciousness of God is in Us and all the teachings from the bible are correct, but not to be interpreted in the way the churches have taught. There is the real lie. When the truth is twisted thats when there is real confusion. Before you can have confusion you have to take the truth and bend it. Same as taking pure light but cutting it into fractals and resulting in only pieces of truth that are now distorted.

I keep looking around for the evidence that explains what I find so useful I have not yet. But I think the teachings of Jesus were real but was meant in a whole different light and Man twisted it into another whole meaning for control and self usage.

The same Laws that Jesus taught fit with the laws of Science and the ways of the magician. But They are not what the religions taught.

I have been watching the growth in mine and my fiances life by using the Conscious mind and knowing that we create around us by what we think and if you read the bible and apply its teachings by shedding the old connotations it fits like the missing puzzle.

One of the biggest wrongs the churches have done was to teach the laws by way of slavery and that we cannot count on the Christ in Us. WHile they say in one breath we are free they do another. And make laws that apply to the physicality of our life and not the spirit. If you consider our real world is the spirit world and ignore what appears to be reality in that sense then the world as we see and believe then changes the physicality around Us thus we create our own world. We become the creator. I guess this is Alchemy also.

But it is working for us in leaps and bounds. Somewhere there must of been a group of people that knew and practiced this Magitional Attribute Of the shared creatorship with the Christ.
I have had one after another success in my song writing also since I haveapplied this to my life.

WE constantly have been bringing things into our life and changes by way of this thinking.

I just watched something recently that was talking about our black matter I think they described it, And about why they think the universe is exelerating instead of slowing down and what they theorize is something about another reality within our reality which is to me like another dimension Another Plane. I can feel this being so true. I think time space is all present past present future is all in one.

Anyway, I wish I had the mind that could absorb so much and really comprehend everything . Instead I am one who learns by touch and feel.But what my mind is good at and that is connecting. Connecting the dots to feel if its of truth, But then I need the mind to separate things enough to explain them. Its really Quite exausting frankly to have to go thru all the info by way of feel to examinate it and meditate on it.

Well, Thats a book in itself I hope you can pick out the jest of what I am thinking and where I am.

Thanks for the invite , I will try to find the other disscussion.

Connie

Have been there, done that. Did not really believe in religion at all ever, But was doing some major work on an antique Anglican church at one time, meet the Reverend, seemed like a nice guy, he invited me to his Mass, figured what the hay, what could it hurt, I went, before I knew it was baptized an Anglican, still not really believing in religion.

When he was talking religion to me, I was telling him about other stuff, eastern ways of thinking, esoteric things, read all of Edgar Casey’s books, read all Jane Roberts Seth books, etc: at that time was basically studying some of the things that you have mentioned, was even tempted to join the Rosicrucians at one time, but they were not telling me anything new, so I opted out.

Anyway, The Rev. got moved, I quit going. As simple as that.

My view point has changed 360 degrees, delved into science and all it stands for, and that is where am at now. The only thing that still might be viable is the eastern views about reality, that scientists are studying RE: quantum mechanics, many worlds theory and so forth that seem to hold some water with some of the eastern way of thinking.
You could join us on another doc. if you like, we are doing a discussion on “Through The Worm Hole-Is Time Travel Possible” here on TDF.

Chow.

Thank you for such a warm greeting.See the spice that you are I guess you could officially be called the Greeter on this forum :-)

Its so late and I am tired ,too tired for conversing now but if you are not tired please do open the dialogue.
Perhaps tell me your stance and level you are at.You are correct that I am fairly new.
My voyage started when I went on a serious voyage to find my God and handed the Helm over to his watch.I faithfully attended Church then when I found they did not match up to the teachings and they had it set up so one can’t. I quickly could see flags that they are all just institutions and because I was taught on a street level and schooled, marketing.I could see the phsycological sales pitch and the slave mentality that they are teaching. And what I see being taught is the impossibility to reach the Christian level that they deem desirable. You cannot win. Its set up like the casino. Only certain ones can win a percentage
.All the others are placed in position to lose and fund the Rich Casino.

I then left and went on my Journey and have traveled and visited many lands since then. to name a few.
Mind Matrix, essenes,Eygpt,Blatsavy, Saint Germain, Rosicrusions,Atlanteans, I believe alll the Esoteric ones,’The Sons of One, Greek and Eygtian Mythology, Zacharia Sitchens, Edgar Casey. The Urantia book etc……

What I am hoping to do here is get a deeper and better understanding of the places i have travelled and come out with a stronger sense of my own. I am great at connecting But I see from what I read above that some of yous have a better understanding and approaches from another angle are always a better fit.
I opologize I cannot keep my eyes open. I leave the floor to you or someone else.

Thanks again for the warm greeting I will check back here when I awake.

Connie

Ah! you have just started no doubt, on our salutations on the grand mysteries of the cosmos. On this thread we were talking basically about theism and atheism,

But no matter what the discussions are about, the “religee’s” always intersperse there beliefs, on everything, could even be discussions on “outhouses” there gods and devils are everywhere it seems.

If you further peruse discussions on more docs. from TDF. the best site in the world for documentaries, you will not be disappointed, can assure you.

And want to thank you for your kind words.

Chow.

Answer: Neither ( Nor) I am choosing to be Led by the Spirit, Intuition whatever one wishes to name it. As I try my best to connect and unconnect the knowledge that I learn from my studies.

Just thought you might be curious.

What do you think REb and Charles can I set in? I have been on a long Sorjourn and am weary. Can I rest here for a while and refresh I’ll try to make it fun.Every time I think I am on the hottest trail of truth I only find myself back in the 360 starting point. I feel at ease here for many of my stop overs on my journey have been to places of things you disscuss , Yet I feel I know nothing and am now too tired after traveling this postville RD I can only address you with a wave Hi and return when I can.

Thanks! You are all great ! and each of you reflect pieces of a whole .
Achem, you are so colorful! You brighten my readings with your just the right spice at the right time.
Charles and Reb I hope yous let it rip cause I’m listening

Good night for now!
Connie