Mysterious Origins of Man
This documentary presents ancient artifacts that contradict the official historical perspective that mankind has advanced scientifically since the beginning of human history.
It’s not necessarily a deliberate conspiracy in the sense that some people getting together in a smoke filled room and saying “we’re going to deceive people”. It’s something that happens automatically within the scientific community.
So when a given piece of evidence disagrees with the predominant theory, then automatically people won’t talk about it, they won’t report it and that means that science fails to progress in the way that one would hope.
Although a lot of the evidence in this presentation has been highly debated and disproved, there is some evidence that is very difficult to dispute. The main purpose of this presentation is to show that the official view of human history is very questionable, especially the progression of knowledge in the sciences, mathematics, and spirituality.
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Very interesting!
This is most beautiful documentary that awake my humanity
Hi Great site – just stumbled on it while researching the origins of man and how long we’ve been on this planet and found the docu “Mysterious Origins of Man”.
The funny thing is that its not working – can you help, I’ve tried other videos on the site and they’re all working fine…
Really want to see this :)
There you go Chris. Now it’s OK.
wow ! now thats what I like to call great use of technology – thanks Vlatko!! you rock..
What an excellent documentary. Indeed thought provoking. There are numerous evidence that an advanced pre historic civilization did exist which perfectly explains why all forms of human society shares striking amount of similarities and the differences appear so trivial.
A must watch for everyone !
what? millions of years! may be ten of thousands, but millions.
Its more probable that the excavations under Table mountain dug in to a previously excavated burial chamber.
The Texas foot prints are dubious to say the least.
Its sad that evidence of ancient civilzations was used to dubunk evolution. That cheapens the whole video.
This was an excellent scientific documentary Vatko! A 10 from me! There is so much novel information here, I’m not sure what to talk about.
It’s sad that scientists that go against the religion of Darwinism are mocked and in many cases drummed out of thier professions. It’s true; it happens.
The Bible lists ancient cultures and people as having technology so advanced, that God Himself concluded they had to be disrupted as nothing was impossible to them as a united people (the story of the tower of Babel). Even a generation after Adam, the people of cain (Adam’s son) were known for thier work with metals and musical instruments. Why are we so surprised when we discover such to be so? Dates are debateable. I’m even quite certain there is a reference in the Bible as to “when the earth was divided” — (I’ll have to check), and could refer to when the continents split. Now isn’t that interesting?
Nonetheless, the facts remain: evidence that contradicts evelution is surpressed and forgotten; that’s not science, that’s religious and scientific selectionism. And yes, the footprints in Texas are real.
The scientist that I met in our church showed pictures of gold artifacts taken from coal deposits which everyone says were made from decomposing plants and animals millions of years old. Now I don’t think the millions of years is accurate, but certainly, how we think of the past is not entirely accurate.
Andrew: No, it doesn’t cheapen this documentary because they use ancient civilizations to debunk evolution, I think it was incredibly brave of them to do!
Charlten Heston rocks! Thanks Vlatko for yet another Jewel of a documentary!
uuuuuu what a nice find!
I’ll make sure lots of people come see this!
THIS SITE IS THE BEST. FULL STOP
“So when a given piece of evidence disagrees with the predominant theory, then automatically people won’t talk about it, they won’t report it and that means that science fails to progress in the way that one would hope.”
That simply is not true. In fact, if there was really an evidence against traditional theory of evolution of man, it would get a lot of attentions. This document is just religious propaganda, see http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mom.html .
excellent!
That’s Incredible! But not very scientific. Mostly speculative and imaginative. The earth is constantly in motion so dating becomes a challenge. Even though rocks per say can not be carbon dated and such it is possible to determine which way the particles are aligned which indicates when the rock itself was formed and how the earth’s magnetic poles were orientated at that moment in time. I think anyone who took grade 5 science knows that land mass started out as one chunk and peices migraded, so no news flash there. Atlantis was a creation out of Platos mind not a real place. And by the way, none of these findings where hidden when I took Anthropology at university so his premise from the beginning is questionable. Which was what was mostly disappointing because he could have chosen even more curious discoveries like the crystal skull, or Kennewick man, many others.
Absolute Rubbish.
Richard Thompson is no a real Doctor. He holds no PHD in any scientific field. He’ a Hindu creationist, and a conspiracy theorist. Yet, he feels qualified to criticize a widely accepted scientific theory in which the subject of Biology itself is completely based.
Anyone who finds this poorly put together documentary “enlightening”, is probably a scientifically illiterate dimwit.
some very interesting thing are brought to light and i will want to investigate some of these artifact claims. however some of the science they claim is very wrong. but this documentary must be taken with a pinch of salt, as some of the wilder claims are ****** and clearly wrong.
What a load of BS
This documentary is pathetic. I dont even know where to start but lets just say anyone who takes any of this serioucly needs to have a hard look at there reasoning abilities.
That narator has not a hint of credibility, he looks and sounds as educated as a UFO conspirisist as is how this whole rat tag doco is strung together.
Its laugable
Sceince claims requires peer revisons before anything can be published as science. If there is contradictive evidence of scientific evidence then it would be looked sericoucely not just thrown out like this douche bag claims
All these so called sceintists are clearly creationist and dolusional
Please remove this documentatry its as damaging as those “Anti Imunization” creeps.
Anyone heard of “Herd imunity” ?
essential for mans 10billion population stride
An excellent video. There is way too much here to categorise it as all loony science. The naysayers ought to open there eyes and get out there and check these anomalies for themselves rather than listen to accepted ‘science’.
Well I would have to say that to claim this information is wrong or right would require at least some study of the claims. To come on here and claim this information is wrong or right is simply ignorant. This video is only information, you have the choice to believe or not believe, to investigate or not. If you are in the party who does not agree with the video, I suggest you post a video of your own disproving it.
phenomenal!!! fills in so many gaps that always existed in my head :) obviously accepting paradigm-shifting hypothesis is very difficult to swallow, so obviously those who don’t enjoy stepping out of the comfort zone will be highly closed towards these anamolies….but come on, you have to accept there are HUGE unanswered questions everywhere around us…science isn’t totally seamless and even religion not completely whimsical…
You can take his gun from his cold dead hands. After that please be so kind as to bury this sack of kack.
to ben newman: wat phd ave u got to be makin those judgements den? do ur research….dnt blindly follow main stream media/science.
n jasper…..its clear ur jus a sheep…folowin da herd. non of ur statements ave any validity.
I think the comment section was far more entertaining than this “doctumentary” (although I think its safer to label it a mockumentary as it’s mocking everything science and documentaries stand for; like research and credibility).
I love this gary character, we need more of him. Bartender, can we get this fellow another round?
;)
This documentary doesnt play all the way to the end! it stops at like 14 minutes in, why is that Vlatko?
Scam.
Charlton Heston: seriously.! you just cannot see him in a scientific context.
Check the bios of the scientists. All seriously religious and creationists. Expecting them to come up with real scientific work is tough to digest.
All of the “facts” presented in this doc have been discredited, and abondoned by those who defend them in the film.
Rather funny than scientific…
I think I am going to watch something else.
Abviously, this is a documentary attempting to counter evolution theory with a small amount of suspecious evidence pointing towards creation of some sorts. There is simply not enough evidence shown here, or many credible experts (only one or two have phds) to convince me.
That being said, this is also not a documentary promoting christian creationism. Hare Krishna Hinduism and its creation myth more like it. Just look at the source ‘krishnatube’. The hypothesis of destruction to contruction and destruction agian is central to Hindu belief of creation and cyclical time. I believe the hindu god in charged of this is Shiv. Read up and judge for yourself.
The Mayans have stones in their structures estimated to weigh over 10,000 tonnes. The cranes of today max out at 3,000 tonnes. How did a civilization that old move these big rocks? They must have been technologically advanced. Are we more superior to these Ancients? We would like to think so.
An eclectic banding of exotic curiousites that collectively fail to reveal anything abot the ‘Mysterious Origins of Man’.
This should be under popular docs, even if only to further the debate in the comments section.
I waited for a damn dirty apes quote when they got to evolution, but I guess Heston had to bite his tongue…
There is only one thing left to do people: continue global warming to the point where the alleged atlantis is uncovered from under the antartic ice. Yes we can!
Great doc: very intertaining, mildly thought-provoking, lots of Heston, John Anthony West reference… 10/10
Even if it’s all BS, at least it got my mind off Quantum Communication for a minute… Ah, cr^p.
In a word… Propaganda
In two words… Evangelical Propaganda
I only watched the first few minutes as I’m about to watch a documentary on Jupiter. Here are some claims made by the video in these first few minutes:
#1: human footprints resembling modern man’s in Texas, side-by-side dinosaur footprints (T / F)?
#2: 70-ton red granite blocks at a peruvian mountain temple, when only source of this granite was on the top of a mountain peak, 5 miles away (T / F)?
#3: Piri Reis map, showing Antarctica in the 1500s (T / F)? [after looking on wikipedia, it seems this might be F]
I’m not biased either way. I just want to get to the bottom of even these very few claims.
@Ned the footprints have been shown to be FALSE. 100% false. you can do a google search.
number 2 it wouldnt be too hard for humans to do that.
Number 3, is false and a hoax,
Exellent and thought provoking
More stuff like this is needed
Origins of Man
Interesting doc and does match up with some of the scientific evidence that has been corroborated with other ancient texts and data including the Hebrew Bible and the Old Testament and then combined with modern scientific discoveries. You need to read the full series of the Earth Chronicles by Zecharia Sitchin to get the full picture of what he believes with astounding evidence from other sources as well, (I certainly believe it well could have happened) that the Earth was inhabited just over 450,000 years ago by the Nelfilim (Anunnaki) These God’s (men) or extraterrestrials from another planet guided the evolution of life on Earth, determining the existence and nature of humankind to what it is today. These are fascinating books and I have never believed that “man” build and constructed the pyramids or built some of the cities back in antiquity. Even if you are a non-believer in this sort of “out there” information you owe it to yourself to read the first book “Earth Chronicles” – you may be amazed!
What a load of complete nonsense with none or twisted scientific base.
Heston as usual sells out to the higest bidder. Riduculous creationist/cult propaganda.
Look,the saddest thing is a theory is formed by Darwin and who thought so linear about development of life,and so far no uniform linear model can be constructed from all the fossils. Eg. there are very short, very tall people at the same time. The only truth that has been discovered is “DIVERSITY”! Why diversity? Darwin doesn’t explain why diversity, only, now don’t cry, a theory of why some lifeforms became extinct!
@Pamela
Respectfully, you are completely, utterly, and mystifyingly wrong about… well, your entire statement.
Short, tall people at the same time? Well, you know of course, that there were many primate species that got pretty close to our, (Homo Sapien Sapiens’) evolutionary development. Gigantopithicus, for example, a huge bipedal primate that grew up alongside of us for awhile. Went extinct, (unless you believe the Bigfoots and Yetis are their descendants- cue sci-fi music!). Neanderthals competed with us in Europe for awhile. Went extinct. There are many evolutionary, primate culdesacs. Some short, some tall, some smart and some lucky. We just got lucky, got further along, but our own extinction is coming up, no worries there!
Diversity? Diversity is BUILT-IN to Darwin’s work! The Theory of Natural Selection, as the engine of evolution, basically states that refined randomization is at its heart. In other words, Nature randomly jumbles the elements of life through mutation and the mutations that work in the environment breed true, the ones that do not, fail. In that framework, can’t you imagine the diversity that would spring forth? I mean, I think Darwin probably thought he didn’t have to expicitly explain that concept as “Natural Selction” should bring the synonym of “random selection” to mind.
Finally, I would like to put this out there, because it is not said enough, even by evolutionary scientists and naturalists of all kinds. Darwin did not come up with idea of evolution. It is NOT Darwin’s theory of EVOLUTION; it is Darwin’s theory of NATURAL SELECTION. The idea of evolution had been kicked around for almost 2000 years before Darwin. In Darwin’s time, many, many of his peers knew about evolution as a fairly solid factual conclusion to the origin of species. They just couldn’t agree on the method, or what was the driving force. The Engine.
It was Darwin’s Natural Selection ideas that blew the case open. However, it could very well be that Darwin could have been completely wrong. Yes. Then we throw out natural selction as the engine of evolution, but NOT evolution. Evolution is a fact, natural selction is a theory still being tested.
That is why newer models of evolution still crop up from time to time, and they are worthy of consideration, as well. These challenges to Darwin do nothing to the fact of evolution, just to Darwin.
It is important to seperate the two ideas because the christy-folks can poke holes in Darwin’s work and THINK they are busting up evolution. In fact, they are just poking holes one particular scientists theory when there are a half a dozen others floating around out there that are just as valid. Evoltion is a fact, we see it happening everyday, all around us. How it happened, however, we may not ever have all the answers to, (at least in our lifetime…)
sorry, no offense for people I called rejects, in fact I’m one of the rejects and working not on those fields above. I just think anthropology, archeology, paleontology fields need smartest and brightest people, not the dumbest people in a class which what I found happening in the past. These anthropology, archeology, paleontology jobs normally a lifetime jobs, so for these people it’s in their interest to only reveal the facts and information that will make sure they have a job to last. If they suddenly come up with the fact that there was no evolution, they will lose their job as there is no need to dig anymore.
@Jack. absolutely wrong. if the found anything that went against evolution and proved it false they would be given BILLIONS of dollars in grant money to formulate what ACTUALLY happened, and they would be given a Nobel Prize.
@Epicurus: granted you may be correct, but they won’t give those billions of dollars to the same people who tried to cover up the fact on the evolution for so many decades (the current archeologists). So they will lose their jobs but you’re correct, new jobs will be created for other people. So you see it’s still in the interest of the old guard to keep the secret as long as they can, after all they get paid every year to do basically nothing.
Please see a documentary called Oliver the Chimp here in this website: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/oliver-chimp/
If you watched the documentary, you will know that Oliver is a real chimp who actually walk upright. Now imagine Oliver died and buried, 10 yrs later an archeologist dig his grave and found his bone, an ape who walks upright, this archeologist will no doubt claim that he is the missing link. Archeology is full of this bull#### mistakes like this and they make theories of evolution based on this mistakes. Very unreliable.
you are telling me there is a collaborative conspiracy between ~500,000 scientists (new ones EVERY YEAR) that are all working together to make up all these bits of information like fossils and genetic evidence to trick us??? for what purpose?
not only is it not likely but there is no motive. like i said every year many new people graduate from school. they are completely able to show ANY false information in evolution. but your conspiracy theory is just that….a conspiracy theory.
maybe you should take some evolutionary biology classes and check out the information for yourself…..?
@Epicurus
you said:
“absolutely wrong. if the found anything that went against evolution and proved it false they would be given BILLIONS of dollars in grant money to formulate what ACTUALLY happened, and they would be given a Nobel Prize.”
I just saw that statement and wanted to comment on how naive that idea is. Not anything against you, but against the idea itself.
Time and time again, when newcomers with information threatening to the official status quo come and share their findings or data, they are not given a prize and promoted, but instead, silenced or ridiculed and demoted. This happened with Copernicus when he found that we revolve around the sun and not vice versa when he was jailed for heresy. This happened with the many industrial uses of hemp. This happened with all of the whistleblowers on recent events like the corruption involved in the “War on Terror” and contractors there, it happens in astrophysics when increasing evidence of the Electric Universe theory is presented, and the papers are dismissed or ridiculed and the people who present them fired or forced to leave their positions at major universities.
People are much more susceptible to peer pressure and group think that many realize. When you are in a group, especially a group which has the power to vote down or choose what gets presented to the public and what does not, there are oftentimes powerful motives to go along with what will be best for the group. Especially when you see what happens to those with unpopular views (loss of the respect of their colleagues, loss of employment, loss of chance for awards or recognition, loss of chance of promotion, being pigeonholed into a position with little visibility or future).
People tend to value their personal things more than the overall good of what they might have to share. Not everyone–there are always pioneers who don’t care how many don’t like what they have to say–but for many, they don’t want to take the risks that being bold and brave with new data or ideas entails. They feel it’s better to be quiet about that thing, follow in line with everyone else, and this is how new truth encounters much resistance on the way to finally becoming widely accepted.
@Epicurus: Those 500,000 scientists worldwide you mentioned, most of them don’t work in archeology or geology or palaeontology fields. The number in these fields probably around 2000-5000 worldwide. Out of those 2000-5000 maybe only 1000-2000 resides in prominent countries such as US & Europe. Out of those 1000-2000, probably only 200-500 people considered experts who leads expedition and makes theories on their findings and decide where the research are going. The rest of the scientists rely on these 200-500 experts with their finding and theory.
The fact is there are some scientists who challenge the views of the mainstream views but they’re mainly outcasted by the rest of the mainstream scientists as what happened to Virginia Steen-McIntyre in the documentary. New scientists are coming all the time but they have been educated by the mainstream and work under the old guard who teaches mainstream theory and force them to work under mainstream guideline, you know what happened to people who challenge the mainstream, they’re driven out, so the only ones left all have the same mainstream views. Like Ned said, this happens time and time again in human history, no surprise there.
all your numbers are absolutely wrong. where did you pull them from?
if a scientist came out tomorrow saying the earth was flat and babies were brought by storks we would certainly “outcast” them. they have no place in serious conversation.
if you honestly think those numbers you cited were accurate i have to laugh…just laugh.
@Ned, your examples were not of modern science, other than the electric universe theory which is just another example of pseudoscience but you will just say anything i say isnt science is only decided as real by some conspiracy.
the church refused to accept copernicus’ claim, and the hemp thing is not a science issue but an economy one.
but if everyones only claim now is that evolution is a conspiracy…SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE AGAINST IT. and show me any hole in it.
I did said “probably”, I’m not in those fields and i’m only guessing the numbers by estimation. Maybe you will be able to enlighten us with the correct figure?
Oliver the Chimp is one evidence but you brushed it off. The theory of evolution of man from ape is based on the finding of skeleton of apes that resembles man or finding of skeleton of ape that walk upright. Oliver the Chimp is a living mutant ape that walks upright. So it is possible that the skeletons that archeologists have found are mutant apes and because they did not know ape can mutate to walk upright, they decided that they have found our early ancestors. If you consider that fact, then there’s so many holes in the theory of evolution of man from ape.
I’m all for a healthy debate but this doc does not merit. EVERYTHING here has proven to be false. Creationists try very hard to distance themselves from the “evidence” presented in this doc.
@Ned – how was Copernicus “silenced or ridiculed and demoted”
I guess in the same manner as Hawking and Einstein.
I think you are naive Ned. When “newcomers with information threatening to the official status quo” they are in fact “given a prize and promoted”. This is usually followed by tenure, speaking engagements, more awards, and lots and lots of grants.
Academia and science rarely reward status quo. Pretty much every professor, researcher, and scientist in general wants to have that new great idea.
A large portion of science is driven by the consumer. Cell phone companies do not subscribe to the status quo. Or at least not for long. Intel doesnt. Even things you normally do think about like the psychology of marketing. Pfizer and Monsanto have been making new products for years and years.
It is laughable to think that some sad scientist has the next million dollar idea and wont publish because he is scared that the big bad mean scientists will scoff at him.
What world do you line in Ned
Jack how many fossils do you think we have found? what about ALL the fossils from ALL branches of life which show progressive evolution from simple to more complex organisms as we go through the strata?
what about the genetic evidence Jack? what about endogenous retroviruses? or chromosome 2? what about all the fields of science which have been unified using evolution….the food you eat, the medicines you take ALL base their ability to work on our understanding of evolution.
try again?
@Epicurus: you make compelling argument.
A lot of people commenting that the findings in this Mysterious Origins of Man documentary are hoaxes, I’m neither for nor against that. But, if it is possible for a creationist or a hindu to create hoaxes, why do you think it’s not possible for archeologists to create hoaxes too? Especially when his job, his future and his mortgage depends on it. Let say in the past, an archeologist, A been working for 10 yrs for no result and his funding is drying up, then he did the unspeakable and create fake bones and fossils, he suddenly becomes famous and considered an expert, not to mentioned having secured his funding, his job and his mortgage. Why is that not possible? Let say another archeologist, B create another hoax on a separate occasion, they would call A who is now considered an expert to verify the finding. Now, do you think A will declare B as a fraud but in doing it admitting that he himself a fraud? Or do you think A will play the game and verify B’s finding as genuine? Now A and B both famous and considered as experts. Is it that hard to believe?
Knowing human nature, it’s no surprise. Impossible you say? Well NASA has managed to convinced the world that they land man on the moon. Most recent example is Bernie Madoff, he managed to con $65 billion from lots of very rich and very smart people that he can multiply their money with no risk for 20 years.
@jack the rabbit
Repsectuflly, that is ridiculous. Any run of the mill forensic pathologist of any medical discipline would be able to tell the chimp bones in your example were recent and not millions of years old.
An archeologist would know that instantly. But even if he didn’t, a two hour carbon dating test would prove it, (is it still two hours? I’m sure the process has sped up since I saw it demonstrated years ago… anyways…).
There are rigorous testing routines that these fossils and other evidences have to go through, most for years, tested by multiple scientists in many different locations, before they are called legitimate finds.
Mistakes do sometimes happen, and sometimes the very human scientists, in their excitement and zeal, will announce their theories about them too early, before all the robust testing is completed. But, it is always found out, eventually, and the mistakes are corrected.
That’s what GREAT about science, it’s not a failing that they can make mistakes. That’s religions’s failing. Religion CAN’T make mistakes. Science is a self correcting system.
@Jack The Rabbit
Are you seriously suggesting that the reason why we have fossils is because desperate archeologists put them there to get famous, and that there is now a giant conspiracy in the paleontological and archeological community to continue getting rich by planting false fossils?
Are you seriously postulating this as a real explanation?
Seriously?
Oh, please say yes, please, please say yes, you’re actually furthering this notion as a plausible explanation for why there are fossils.
@randy: i was saying that the fossils they claimed to be the missing link, may just be from a mutant ape like Oliver that died many many thousand years ago. Oliver was just an example.
I agree that science is a work in progress that keeps correcting itself be each increase in information, but I do believe a lot of information and facts that contradict or could not be explained by the theory of evolution that we are taught in school was either ignored or omitted by scientists who are in authority. If facts or information omitted than science could not improve itself.
Yes, there are rigorous testing routines that are placed on fossils and other evidences, but again this is happened in bottleneck situation. What i mean is that only few people will ever see the fossil or evidence and will conduct research on it and make conclusion from it. You mentioned that multiple scientists in different location checked it, maybe true but how many is multiple? 20 people? 20 people deciding what we all should believe? If they’re honest, everything is fine but if they’re dishonest than it would be easy to convince the public since they’re considered experts in their fields.
I’m not against theory of evolution, it’s a good theory in place of something we don’t know for sure. But I just think it’s still a working theory, but recently evolution has just become a religion. If you want to be thought of as serious scientist, you cannot question it, just have to accept it like a good boy you are. Scientists who question the theory is shunned and ridiculed just like a catholic that question the role of the pope is treated. Why can’t you question evolution, it’s a fact? No, it’s a theory. It might possible that it’s 95% correct already but if there is still 5% we don’t know about it, it should be corrected.
sigh… I keep repeating myself…
Evolution is a FACT. Evolution is not a theory. We can see evolution happening around us everyday in lving organisms like, viruses, bacterium, insects, and mega-generational mammals like rats and mice.
Natural Selection is a theory OF evolution. Darwin’s theory was natural selction, not evolution. It’s Darwin’s theory of NATURAL SELECTION as the engine, or driving force, of evolution.
The idea of evolution is almost 2000 years old. All of Darwin’s colleagues at the time knew about it, they just couldn’t figure out what “made it go”.
Darwin’s theory of what “made it go” was NATURAL SELECTION and, it has some holes in it. But evolution does NOT have any holes in it. Fact.
@Will: Is it hard to believe that some of them are hoaxes? We live in a world where information fed to us is centrally created. Don’t you ever question why when you watch the news you get everything but the news? For example: you’re told that there’s a riot in place where the leaders of G8 countries are meeting but you’re neither told what kind of people were rioting and why were they rioting. You’re not told whether they’re rioting for righteous reasons and whether they’re fighting for your rights. You’re just told the police and the rioters clashed and some injured. Not sure whether u’ll understand the example but at least i tried.
@Randy: I said theory because it is not fully understood yet.
Take human evolution theory for example, it is the theory that human has evolved from an ape species. Now look around the world, how many species of apes are there? Are you telling me that over million of years, only one type of ape evolve to walking and evolve to become human while the rest of the apes evolves into just more apes? Why is that? If we follow the theory of evolution, there should be more than one species of human walking around the world because the different varieties of apes will each evolve into different looking humanoids. Just like you see there so many different cats species, so many different bird species, but curiously, there’s only one human species. Very curious, and that is the fact. Now, is it wrong then to say maybe the theory need more work before calling it a fact.
Jack,
You shouldn’t try to argue evolution if you don’t understand it. All of your points are just WAY off base already answered by fairly basic evolutionary evidence.
There HAVE been other apes that evolved to nearly human characteristics. Namely, the Neanderthals. They weren’t related to us, Home Sapien Sapiens, they were an offshoot that went extinct. More likely, we killed them off.
Gigantopithicus was a similar species that walked on two legs and was a big fella’, 7 or 8 feet tall, but he died out even before the Neanderthals did. Note: alot of cryptozoologists believe that Bigfoot and the Yeti are descendants of Gigantopithicus. No evidence, but fun to think about.
And there were others, probably a lot more, but fossils are very hard to make. The creature has to die in the right conditions to make a fossil. The fact that we have so many fossils from so many species is a testament to how very, very long the Earth has been around. But there must have been thousands upon thousands of species of animals that existed on this planet that never left a fossil and we will never know about.
And we are primates of the same order and family as all other apes in the world. We are as related to apes and monkeys as are all the species of birds and cats are related to each other. We look as different from most apes and monkeys as a lion looks different from a cheetah or a lynx. Lots of primates– we are part of that family, all of us look different.
There are many unanswered or inadequately answered questions in Darwin’s theory of natural selection as the origin of man, but the fact is clear, we did evolve as all other animals did. Because I say again, EVOLUTION IS A FACT, there is no question.
And stop writing “the theory of evolution” it is not a theory, even if your mom, or your teacher tells you it is, they are wrong. Even the media gets it wrong most of the time. Everyone confuses the theory of natural selection with the fact of evolution. One is fact one is theory.
@Jack
SOME of them… sure. But that’s not what you’re saying. You’re saying that because SOME of them MIGHT be hoaxes that we shouldn’t trust ANY of them. The ultimate unspoken conclusion being of course that we can’t use fossils for evidence of evolution.
Any first year philosophy students out there wanna handle this one?
This video is patent rubbish. For example, if dinosaurs and humans coexisted then why aren’t fossilized human bones found in the same strata as fossilized dinosaur bones?
Also, one of the quoted dates for the tool bearing strata at the Hueyatlaco (Steen-McIntyre) site was 370,000 +/- 240,000 years BP! At two standard deviations (error) this age overlaps modern times! Please. The site was probably disturbed in some fashion.
who does’t love a good mystery?
unfortunately, this isn’t one.
HA HA HA!!! @ JACK —— Do a little homework before saying such narrow things about Darwinism… ***** man just because there are things we havent quite nailed down yet (LOL except JC) doesnt mean that the vast amounts of physical evidence we do have are all the sudden insignificant or somehow bs ……. it just means we havent found every piece of the puzzle yet….. If you have a jig saw puzzle , just for the sake of argument , 90%done would you not still be able to see that it was a farm house or whatever ?you might not see the chicken or the wheel on the wagon but you still “Get the picture” so to speak…………….. no pun intended……. still kinda funny though.
@Randy: The mystery is there aren’t any other living humanoid coming from apes other than the myth of bigfoot and yeti. We don’t even sure whether bigfoot or yeti are humanoid or just big apes if they in fact exist. It’s very convenient that the only evident of other humanoids are fossils of the so called neanderthal. I don’t think they were even sure whether neanderthal were apes or humanoid except for the findings of tools near where they found the neanderthals, which is used to verify the theory that neanderthals are humanoid because they are capable of making tools. Neanderthals could be just a distant cousin of current Orang Utans. This is just what I have been arguing, if a group of experts planted the tools or mistakenly dated the tools that were found and then BS-ed their way about neanderthals, how many people could have verified that at the time? All the evidents and fossils are kept in certain location with limited amount of people have access to it. All the rest of us just know about it from textbooks or science teachers who got the info from the same textbooks. About gigantophiticus, I doubt that humans can wipe them out considering their 2 feet taller and bigger than general humans at the time where they’re fighting with rocks. How could humans wipe out a species as smart as human and stronger than human too? Maybe it’s because gigantophiticus is just a really big apes, big but now smart?
Then there is the question why the spread of neanderthals and gigantophiticus are not as widespread of humans? Maybe because it’s too hard to plant hoaxes in too many different locations?
@Will: It depends on where the hoaxes are done isn’t it. If the hoaxes are done on the foundation of the theory, then you might as well use that particular textbook as a doorstop. The conclusion is that we should test the so called fossils and evidences again, not by the same people who done them before but by an independent third party to verify those finding starting from the beginning, especially for the carbon dating of fossils and evidence. It’s done not only to find hoaxes but also to find mistake by incompetence because lets face it, geology, anthropology and archeology are not the fields where the brightest and smartest people go to work.
@Jack the rabbit (a very cute screenname, by the way!)
Listen, I get that you don’t want to give up your god, for whatever reason! I get that. I’ve been there. It’s scary, but seriously… I know all of this stuff very well… much better than you…. you cannot hope to out reason me on my home-turf. I live eat and breathe evolutionary biology!
Let me just say this, Neanderthal sites in France and Germany have been carefully excavated and it has been found that they had a very rich culture. We dicovered burial sites showing a powerful respect for the dead, including adorning them with flowers (as evidenced from the crumbling remains of flourocarbons around the necks of the interred), complex tool, clothing, and artwork creation, which indicates a highly advanced culture.
They were really close to us in every way, we were just smarter. We wiped them out because they were ugly, basically, although alot of paleantologists don’t agree, they think we “bred” with them. I think that’s silly, and so do other scientists, but the bottom line is, here we are and they are gone.
We as Homo Sapiens, probably never met Gigantopithicus, they just died off because of the last Ice-Age they couldn’t adapt to as we did. But, maybe they didn’t? Maybe some small colony survived and is living in the pacific northwest! Fun to think about!
But, after all of that, what we see in nature is, something like, “The Highlander” movies and TV shows, you know? “There can be only one…”? The top species of any paleantological age must wipe out all the rest, as the dinosaurs did before us, and the insects and arachnids did before them, and the warring plant species did before them, and the bacterium and paramecium did before them… etc.
We don’t need a god to solve all of our problems. There is a simpler, and more interesting explanation.
@JACK it all goes back to natural selection….. im a muay thai trainer and doest mean anything. And has it never occured to you that maybe there was no “wiping out ” perhaps a virus or lack of breeding or many other explanations could be also plausible ……. ” If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. ” SUN TZU—– size means 0 and intellect a little …. strategy the rest remember Sun was extremely outnumbered as were the **** and the vietnamese and look at the results.Not to mention Carthnage or the 10000000 other times this has proven true
@Randy I agree with you on the adaption issue……thats just how it is.why do people think our physical features are so different around th globe and not just with humans?Adaptability.Simple as that and one more score for proof of evolution ! If we were created all the same by god there would be no change ,Im sure if there was a god and he is perfect ,than why need to change perfection? Wouldnt a perfect enity be capable of prediction ? Or capable of stopping /never making the circumstances arise to where change is needed? etc…. holes everywhere w/ creationism and no proof. ..l……… I being an atheist ……… you dont have to do any guessing when you have cold hard facts.
I guess they wanted me to be more moderate…….WTH?
@Will wrote:
“SOME of them… sure. But that’s not what you’re saying. You’re saying that because SOME of them MIGHT be hoaxes that we shouldn’t trust ANY of them. The ultimate unspoken conclusion being of course that we can’t use fossils for evidence of evolution.
Any first year philosophy students out there wanna handle this one?”
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Are you talking about, “Specious Reasoning”?
Wherein, some guy from north America will say, “Hey! I got this rock that keeps tigers away!”
And the dupe will say, “Really? How do I know it works?”
And the rock-bearer will say, “Do you see any tigers around here?”
Is that what you are talking about? (All apologies to “The Simpsons” episode in which Lisa duped Homer in this way…)
@RANDY That was funny as ***** man…… great reference considering where the analogy came from and what you were trying toget at…………. Kind of like praying…… or doing a rain dance and when it rains its all because you prayed/danced…………offerings/sacrificed etc……..
Again, @Jack the Rabbit who wrote, staggeringly, and mind bogglingly…
“It’s done not only to find hoaxes but also to find mistake by incompetence because lets face it, geology, anthropology and archeology are not the fields where the brightest and smartest people go to work.”
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Oh! Oh, I must protest! I have known and loved geologists, anthropologists, and archeologists and I must say to you, sir, these men and women were towering giants of intellect compared to the drivel you have been drooling all over my computer screen!
I have tolerated your lack of intelligence and “American Idol”, “trailer-park-trash” ideologies and even tried to stoop to your level with “The Highlander” reference but when I read that, I must say… you are a low class, no reading, uninformed… stuff to fill a grave!
Please do not procreate! Although if he’s over 14, it’s probably too late…
Jack the Rabbit wrote:
“Oliver the Chimp is one evidence but you brushed it off. The theory of evolution of man from ape is based on the finding of skeleton of apes that resembles man or finding of skeleton of ape that walk upright…”
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There is a documentary on this site which Jack the Rabbit mentions, several times, and I will offer my thoughts on the subject here, as I copy them from the thread onto which I posted on the “Oliver the Chimp” docu’… that was a terribly redundant sentence…. but this is interesting, I think…
Randy wrote on the “Oliver the Chimp” thread, with slight modifications (editing):
“I haven’t watched this doc, but I have heard of Oliver before, years ago. I knew about it peripherally, but never paid it much mind, assuming it was a trained chimp, (knowing they can walk upright for short periods, even in the wild.)
Years later, I saw him briefly discussed, on ANOTHER documentary on evolution and went, “hmmmm…” but then didn’t really pay it any more mind.
Since then, I have learned about the Bonobo (I am spelling it phonetically), chimp discovered by Dr. Jane Goodall in… I’m gonna say, mid to late 90’s? Very recent, in any case.
The Bonobo’s were an exciting find because they seem, characteristically, [behaviorilly], at any rate, much closer to humans. They walk upright for a much longer time and more frequently than other chimps. They use and fashion tools, [and, interestingly, they are matriarchial... I find that compelling, only because some of the earliest archeological finds of civilization are the Turkish Ouruks and they seem very matriarchial, (woman-centric)...]
But more importantly, they have sex with each other for comfort, (year ’round), rather than only when the females are in estrus (I know I spelled that wrong so I’m gonna use the more vulger term, “in heat”), and are the only other mammals besides us that do so.
They also engage in ORAL SEX, homosexual behavior, and, creepily, sex with pre-pubescents… (nature is sometimes very ugly…).
Dr. Goodall never noticed them before, she says, because she always focused on specific troupes of chimps, and when she noticed the Bonobos she assumed they were just another troupe of the same species she studied.
I submit, just off of the hip here, that perhaps Oliver was a Bonobo. Which, as I say, wasn’t discovered until very recently.
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So, Jack the Rabbit, what are your thoughts on Bonobo chimps? Have you ever heard of them? Do you know who Dr. Jane Goodall is? Anything…?
Geez Randy, you can protest and whine all you day long but I don’t think it’ll change the fact that geology, anthropology and archeology are not the fields where the finest and brightest people work. It is fields where people who don’t get in to real science go to. Good to see you stoop to personal attacks, i must have hurt your feelings, ooooh… poor baby.
Quote: “Neanderthal sites in France and Germany have been carefully excavated and it has been found that they had a very rich culture.” Excavated by who? the same people who probably put the stuff there in the first place.
Why am i considered unintelligent because i question the work work of these people? Knowing human nature requires me not to trust anything without facts, if a man can get a way with lies, he will, especially when it comes to money. These scientists will be given lots of money to do their research and digs, it is in their interest to lie. Maybe it’s you who are uninformed enough about human nature, you who reads a book and believe its content just because it’s your hero the towering intellect wrote the books without checking the facts.
Quote from Randy: “We don’t need a god to solve all of our problems. There is a simpler, and more interesting explanation.” You would like that wouldn’t you Randy, that way you can do whatever you want without any guilt. You can screw your sister or your daughter, you can abort your unborn babies that you conceived from sex with so many different women, you can have sex with other men or even horses and dogs and you wouldn’t feel any guilt, you can kill a man so that you can sell his kidney, you can sell your daughter to be a prostitute, you can experiments on patients and kill your patients in the name of fame and fortune and you would sleep in peace at night wouldn’t you Randy, after all, no God = no right or wrong, is that right Randy? As long as you can get away with it, no problem right Randy? I feel so much safer knowing that you and others like you are around Randy.
Very convenient and no guilt. No wonder world leaders and scientists insist to say that evolution is a fact, it’s because it removed any slight of guilt when they do their experiments on their fellow human beings. If you want example, search a doc by the name of Dr. Money in this site. With this kind of mindset in scientists, any wonder why they could fabricate evolution? It’s possible.
@jack the rabbit you’re implying that all the scientist in the world made a plot to sell the evolution as a lie.
The very intrinsic characteristic of science is constant testing and believe it or not disproving rather then proving the hypothesis, theories, theorems proposed by a scientists, universities, faculties etc.
When a scientist publishes a theory there are hundreds of scientists all around the world (everyone within their own branch) who are testing, validating, repeating experiments, reexamining the evidences and so on just to find a bug or inconsistency in that theory.
When a theory goes through a rigorous testing across the world only then the scientific community accepts that theory as valid.
So if an American scientist publishes a fabricated theory, based on false evidence, false findings, false interpretations you think that a scientists in Russia, China etc. will approve that theory after they discover it has been fabricated. Not a chance.
Science has no limits and boundaries. Science does not recognize nations, states, religions and every other divisions made by man. It speaks universal language. Isn’t that marvelous?
Dear jack the rabbit,
Thank you so much for giving me such a good laugh :-D. Btw, I’d like to hear you opinion on all these god-fearing creatures in the Mother Church we hear so much about recently, do you think they feel guilt after they abuse those kids? I’m certain they are feeling very guilty, poor souls, and I’m sure that really helps a lot to the young boys they abuse. But, what the heck, they’re gonna say a few Hail Maries and all is forgiven, thank god :-).
It’s so good god is in their hearts and they can see the difference between right and wrong. Not like them the ungodly rapists, who go to prison when they do the same to some kids. Isn’t that so sweet Jack?
‘Theory’ means something different in everyday speech than it does in science. It sounds like a quick thought somebody may have come up with while under the shower. But a scientific theory is only considered as one after thousands of experiments that are repeated thousands of times, as Vlatko already pointed out.
I could find around 5-10 VALID arguments from the top of my head that criticize the weak spots of science – but it seems people with no knowledge on the topic whatsoever never seem to find these arguments.
Again, to the topic of evolution: if you find some evidence against evolution, please publish it! Formulate your idea, find empirical evidence for this idea, plan and execute experiments to support the evidence, write a paper about it (~200 pages should suffice) and put it to the test by publishing it and let it be validated through scientists all over the world.
I’m waiting.
@vlatko: i’m not saying all the scientists are up to no good, but it’s hard to know who’s telling the truth sometimes. I think I mentioned that i’m not against the theory of evolution, i think it makes perfect sense but it doesn’t provide a complete picture at the moment and still need works. I personally think evolution and a Creator doesn’t contradict at all. Evolution theory can explain come part on how this Creator created the universe. It’s when these scientists insists that evolution = no God, then that’s when my spider sense is tingling that they’re up to no good and have an agenda by saying insisting on it.
@JACK…THIS is what is wrong with YOU…not wrong with any atheists but wrong with YOU
THIS what im about to post that YOU wrote is what shows you are an immoral disgusting insane human being who doesnt understand morality or ethics or social responsibility. this is what you said.
Quote from Randy: “We don’t need a god to solve all of our problems. There is a simpler, and more interesting explanation.” You would like that wouldn’t you Randy, that way you can do whatever you want without any guilt. You can screw your sister or your daughter, you can abort your unborn babies that you conceived from sex with so many different women, you can have sex with other men or even horses and dogs and you wouldn’t feel any guilt, you can kill a man so that you can sell his kidney, you can sell your daughter to be a prostitute, you can experiments on patients and kill your patients in the name of fame and fortune and you would sleep in peace at night wouldn’t you Randy, after all, no God = no right or wrong, is that right Randy? As long as you can get away with it, no problem right Randy? I feel so much safer knowing that you and others like you are around Randy.
THAT WAS WHAT YOU WROTE, you ADMITTED that without god YOU think these things would be permissable..would you like to explain why?
Randy never said that. in fact i bet Randy wouldnt behave that way, but since YOU said thats how you think the ruyles would be without god it shows that without god YOU ARE INSANE.
if you need a magical man standing over you to tell you not to do those things you are crazy and need help.
Jack you know what = no god….the claims made for this god thing are inconsistent, and plain wrong.
god could exist with evolution, but until you show some evidence for this god thing keep your fool mouth shut.
you say its hard to know who is telling the truth??? GO TO SCHOOL!!!! GET AN EDUCATION!!!! STOP ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING WHEN YOU PROBABLY LACK A SINGLE DEGREE!
basically grow up and start using your brain…the one that if your god is real he gave you to use, so put it to use.
@WTC7: If you’re talking about the priests that abused children, they’re no better than the scientists that abused their patients and test subjects and should be hanged at the very least. Like i said, knowing human nature why would i believe a man made religion? especially where they forbid man with sex drive to marry? and then when they commit ******** acts they tried to hid it away? Man made religions of this world are fiction made by man either to make easy money or to oppress or rule of the population. Here’s a “man made religion” guideline I follow:
-If the so called god claim you must kill his enemies for him, then that’s not God.
-If you have to feed or clean your god, then it’s not God.
-If you have to give money to your god, then it’s not God.
-If the so called god asked you to go to war, then it’s not God
-If you have to cut off part of your “little bro” to be in the religion, that’s not God.
-If the so called god has a picture, that’s not God
-If there is a lot of gods in your religion, then they’re not God as God don’t create each other or need help
@Epicurus: Why don’t you grow up? If you think that’s just my thinking, then you’re too naive or just plain lying to yourself. You maybe more knowledgeable about evolution theory but you know sh*t about human nature from what you’re saying.
@Epicurus – I dont know man… dudes and horses seem pretty hot. Im glad I have god around to keep me from acting on my natural urges to bang farm animals.
@jack the rabbit – Your god sounds boring. Im going to stick with
- cut off part of your “little bro”
but you have to do it at 18 not at birth, this helps separate the unfaithful
- claim you must kill his enemies, asked you to go to war
But I will only kill the ones the god has “marked” as his enemys. Like the ones that look different or have more money then me.
- so called god has a picture
Ahh Hello, If he doesn’t have a picture how will the illiterate masses i convince to follow me know how is going to send them to heaven.
You really should rethink your idea of god, there is no way your going to make any money with your god.
@Vlatko – “science” is a front used by the devil to instill doubt during the end times. If you opened your mind you would know this.
Hilarious!
Love the comments, Kudos to Epicurus!.
@Jack…. What do you know of human nature? Im curious as to how you know so much about something you seem to haven’t seen much of. what besides religion are your “facts and knowledge “based on? What experience makes you a human nature expert? just wondering.
Um… Epicurus quoted this from Jack the Rabbit, and rightly called it insane… but it has taken me some time to really realize the level of insanity, even as it was pointed out by Epicurus… I think because I just blanked on the horror of it… Um… wow!
Jack the Rabbit (or should I say, Rabid” in light of this post!) wrote:
“Quote from Randy: “We don’t need a god to solve all of our problems. There is a simpler, and more interesting explanation.” You would like that wouldn’t you Randy, that way you can do whatever you want without any guilt. You can screw your sister or your daughter, you can abort your unborn babies that you conceived from sex with so many different women, you can have sex with other men or even horses and dogs and you wouldn’t feel any guilt, you can kill a man so that you can sell his kidney, you can sell your daughter to be a prostitute, you can experiments on patients and kill your patients in the name of fame and fortune and you would sleep in peace at night wouldn’t you Randy, after all, no God = no right or wrong, is that right Randy? As long as you can get away with it, no problem right Randy? I feel so much safer knowing that you and others like you are around Randy.”
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This is terrifying. Jack, honey, I feel the world is a much more dangerous place with you in it. But, if I was looking out for you, you would never lose a minute’s sleep. I would watch over you like a brother.
I might hate christianity, and humanity, but I still have a moral compass, and I could never hurt a living creature, (even spiders, although I am world-class arachniphobe!).
And that is without any god, it is simply because I know we must look out for each other, (even the really, really ****** ones…), if we mean to survive as a species. That’s also, part of evolution, but obviously, not part of christianity.
Holy Batman, your religion is ugly…
@RANDY that “Crack the “Rabid” …………….. will always see god as the answer… but thats sadly typical of people from religion………….. just pity him and let him waste his time defending his superstitions w/o anything but blind faith to back it up ….. oh and he has hope …. hope he sees the facts one day and sees that we all go to the sam place , which could be just dead , but i have never died so idont know either…… but i bet ole jack likes to be stubborn and hopefully not ******……… i wouldnt say that but………… no disrespect intended….. and im trying to keep it in moderation Vlatko………. great site …… turned a few brothers on to it …… thankx and slainte
Vlatko wrote, brilliantly:
“Science has no limits and boundaries. Science does not recognize nations, states, religions and every other divisions made by man. It speaks universal language. Isn’t that marvelous?”
Yes. Yes it is.
@Leoni, who wrote:
“Origins of Man
Interesting doc and does match up with some of the scientific evidence that has been corroborated with other ancient texts and data including the Hebrew Bible and the Old Testament and then combined with modern scientific discoveries. You need to read the full series of the Earth Chronicles by Zecharia Sitchin to get the full picture of what he believes with astounding evidence from other sources as well, (I certainly believe it well could have happened) that the Earth was inhabited just over 450,000 years ago by the Nelfilim (Anunnaki) These God’s (men) or extraterrestrials from another planet guided the evolution of life on Earth, determining the existence and nature of humankind to what it is today. These are fascinating books and I have never believed that “man” build and constructed the pyramids or built some of the cities back in antiquity. Even if you are a non-believer in this sort of “out there” information you owe it to yourself to read the first book “Earth Chronicles” – you may be amazed!”
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Absolute tripe! I know of all of that work and it is, as I say, absolute tripe! Do you know what tripe is? It is a fairly indigestable mound of animal intestines that we Irish eat when there is nothing else around to eat… (because the Anglish stole all of our potatoes! That was a joke…)
Consider that statement very carefully… (not the joke…)
The other problem with all of that “scholarship” that you mention, is that it is, inherently, racist. All of the ancient mega-lithic sites all around the world were built and concieved by men and women that were very, very intelligent, most likely, more intelligent than you and I, distracted as we are by cable TV and the internet, and movies… and no aliens or gods need apply.
The simplest explanation, is probably, (I would say always) the answer.
Man, I thought people from around here where messed up but this Jack guy is awfull. Guilt is a perfectly normal human experience that people who have never even heard of christianity or God feel every day. I wonder if christianity as a whole feels any guilt for the thousands of people that have been brutally slain, robbed, tortured, molested, evicted, extorted, and/or raped in its name? Or perhaps the guilt of knowing that it has single handedly deprived many more thousands of a sound scientific education. No I’m sure they are to busy patting themselves on the back for having figured it all out. If your pathetic mind is still in need of a constant then learn the speed of light, the standard luminosity of certain super novi, maybe the rate of acceleration produced by gravity… But quit making **** up just to have something to hold on to. Let me add to the little list somebody had going earlier about when to believe a god is really God.
1. If your program of study claims anything that can not be reproduced by others under controlled conditions-Its rubish.
I find this is the only rule one needs to recognize truth.
Well, I seemed to have mispelled my own name on the previouse post. Kind of hard to seem as if you know what your talking about after a mistake like that, huh. Oh well, read for content mates- “cuz spellin aint my stron point.”
@John Seals
I noticed that and I never said anything about it out of respect.
But, I have, as everyone has noticed from my ramblings, the same problem. Spelling… I try so hard…
And, I DID read for context. Your stuff is great and I want you to succeed mightily!
A legitimate documentary would provide not just the name and degree but the university affiliation of each “expert.” I suspect that some of the so-called experts presented here are really doctors of divinity rather than scientific-disciplined Ph.D’s. “Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof,” which is not provided here. The examples sensationalized here are debunked by other documentaries here on topdocumentaryfilms, such as Dawkins’, for one example, on the Glen Rose phenomena. What the mind sees and what objective study proves often turn out to be quite different; mankind required thousands of years to realize that the sun did not revolve around the earth, for instance. Some findings will forever remain a mystery, open to any bizarre fantasy one wishes to make of them, yet scientists search for the truth and constantly uncover more truth with study.
so when I watch a good scientific documentary on Evolution I am presented with a lot of eveidence on screen. I only watched the first 5 min or so of this and some guy is saying what if a human skull was found millions of years ago? Show me the skull. Show me the proof. Show me the items found under table rock. Then I can see where they are going with this as well. Aliens came and helped the Mayan’s move rocks? Funny how all the miracles and things the aliens did never happen in modern times. Seems like a good mystery to me and great irony. Two guys start this doc off with no physical evidence saying that aspects of what has been found are under a conspiracy of rejection by the scientific community. Bring forth the hard evidence.
Richard Dawkins inundates his viewers with evidence and scientific opinion. The human genome project proved what is what and how it all works and came into being. WE ARE ALL LINKED GENETICALLY. EVERY LIVING THING ON THE PLANET. Its a fact that cannot be disputed. Its a fact. Maybe this doc should have tried to bring forth facts.
jack the rabbit04/30/2010 at 10:37 @Randy: I said theory because it is not fully understood yet.
Take human evolution theory for example, it is the theory that human has evolved from an ape species. Now look around the world, how many species of apes are there? Are you telling me that over million of years, only one type of ape evolve to walking and evolve to become human while the rest of the apes evolves into just more apes? Why is that? If we follow the theory of evolution, there should be more than one species of human walking around the world because the different varieties of apes will each evolve into different looking humanoids. Just like you see there so many different cats species, so many different bird species, but curiously, there’s only one human species. Very curious, and that is the fact. Now, is it wrong then to say maybe the theory need more work before calling it a fact.
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So why don’t all humans look alike then? Different races and predominant features. If god created man…and from dust I might add….why don’t we all look like adam and eve? How come we can have a blood transfusion from a chimpanzie if our blood types match? Jane Goodall let me in on that one. We now find out that there are genetic links via genes to diseases that will kill us over time. Yet some think that god is at work in those endeavours. It starts when we are born with a gene and god has absolutely nothing to do with it. And from someone who has lived in many cultures and religions over the planet tell me who is right? Is it the budhists? The Hindu’s? The Muslims? The Christians? etc etc. Seems to me like cultures liked to find meaning of that which they did not understand and thus religion was born. And to preserve that religion it needed to contain elements fo superiority over all other beliefs and just like human have feelings of pain and fear we also have feelings of faith and belief and compassion. Which will most likely be proved to be genetic one day as well and not the result of the fear of a god punishing us if we are not compassionate or if we are cruel to each other etc.
@ Ron:
To talk about something of this nature, you should know what you are talking about!
Humans did not evolve from Apes! Humans share a common ancestor that existed some 5 to 8 million years ago, the species diverged into two separate lineages, one evolved into Gorillas and Chimps, the other into early humans called Hominids, that became us!
The best part was hearing Chuck Heston do an Albert Einstein impression. PRICELESS!
i can’t believe this doc turned out to be creationist propaganda! i thought from the title it would be about the possibillity of humans evolving outside africa, but no!
there is no foot print evidence of either people or dinosaurs in texas-fact!
people have been transporting giant granite slabs for thousands of years-fact!
the piri reis map was made by the chinese in the early 1400s during their exploration of the world by sea and is unremarkable-fact!
if oliver the chimp was dug up now we would know that it wasn’t fossilized and dna would show it to be a chimp-fact!
there is no evidence anywhere that supports creationism, there is unlimited evidence that proves evolution is a fact!
human history of civilization goes back 20,000 years to the beggining of agriculture(probably further in tribal societies), and the oldest living human dna is over 1.5 million years old(andaman isles), and all evidence shows a slow evolution from early upright primates taking place over 30 million years. it is very difficult(sometimes impossible) to distinguish between early human ancestors from certain bones as the important defining bits like teeth and throat parts are the most delicate and least often preserved, but over the last 150 years we have used scientific evidence to prove that all living creatures have extinct relatives and that the driving force for any healthy population is evolution, without which all species eventualy die out.
science has had to fight against the constant and psychotic tide of religious authorities outright denial of the facts since the beggining of recorded history and at no point has any science v religion debate ever been settled by the provision of evidence supporting a religious point of view, whereas endless debates have been ended by science proving its case. there is no more 2-way debate, the reality is a scientific, democratic, calculated understanding of the world v a rabid, extremist, intollerrant and often racist dogma of the uneducated who are still clinging on to power in the intellectual backwoods of the world.
Yay, pseudo-science.
@ Ron
Dude- at least understand what youare trying to discredit. You say that according to evolution we should have many species of Ape (I assume you meant to say primate) evolving into Man (I assume you meant to say Hominid). That is not true at all. Evolution plainly says that mutations are random and without purpose. Every once and a while this random process creates an attribute that is not detrimental but helpful toward the continuation of the recipients genes. Meaning the mutation made it easier for this particular individual to reproduce. The off spring then have the mutatiuon as it is genetically passsed on and again it makes it easier for them to reproduce, after a while the whole species has this mutation as those who did not have not reproduced and died out. So to say that a certain mutation should occur, no matter what mutation you are refferring to is wrong. Mutations happen at random and with no purpose or set goal. To believe otherwise is to believe in some cosmic power that guides evolution toward a preset goal. Natural selection takes place after the mutation is manifest, deciding wether it is a good or bad mutation. Most are bad resulting in the premature death of the poor individual that they manifest on. Read a science book man, stop listening to popular opinion.
@Jasper do u have any sort of evidence to disprove the claims in this documentary.u explanation is merely based on what u have learnt and not what u have researched.what about the carbon datings of mayan civilistaion and egypt???and carbon datings of foot prints,have you found any sort of evidence to disprove these evidences???
Man I was tipsy this night I watched this and my comments were poorly written out. Shame on me.
Creationism at it’s best. My advise, don’t waste your time watching this. Check the credentials of these clowns before you chose to accept any of their ridiculous claims. LOL
This is just a bunch of unscientific c#$%, and badly
argumentaded. If you believe in God and creation just
say so and dont argue like a scientist!
This was just a bunch of unscientific nonsense.
If you believe in God and creation just say so.
Dont argue like a scientist when your not!
Hilarious!