Parallel Universes
Everything you’re about to read here seems impossible and insane, beyond science fiction. Yet it’s all true.
Scientists now believe there may really be a parallel universe – in fact, there may be an infinite number of parallel universes, and we just happen to live in one of them.
These other universes contain space, time and strange forms of exotic matter. Some of them may even contain you, in a slightly different form.
Astonishingly, scientists believe that these parallel universes exist less than one millimeter away from us. In fact, our gravity is just a weak signal leaking out of another universe into ours.
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I don’t really understand where the get the idea of long and thin from? Clues?
Hunter:
I guess what that means is, our Universe is a Vibrating Membrane, like an infinite long, thin, vibrating string. And we have another Universe that is vibrating along side of ours, an “nanometer” one billionth of a meter away.
You need some high Math to prove this, which I do not have.
:D
Razor – hey dude – what ever you’re smoking must be good.
I need long time to digest this…….hope i don’t loose more hair……tell me something..you buy this?
When did our science flew past Star Trek? Dayum
I shouldn’t have watched this..this gonna mess me up for awhile…maybe i should shave my head and join Alex Church…………………………
Oh, come on Joe, what do you think the Star Trek is based on? If you can’t handle that things beyond your limited understanding are possible, at least restrain from posting comments like the one above.
Joe:
I smoke Canadian Classics light, cigarettes.
You made me laugh Joe,you should of been a comic, (LOL). I knew this stuff in the 1980′s.
By reading “Seth Speaks” by Jane Roberts, plus all her other books about Seth. And now scientists are just figuring all this stuff out thinking it is all new. :D
Dear Razor
I meant the other stuff you smoke. :)
(First, I have to admit this concept is really pushing my limit. I grew up on science fiction like any other public school kid who dreamed of Luke’s light saber to Shaolin flying kicks. And I always knew at the back of my head that these weren’t real. How can they be – they are fiction to entertain us. I never doubted this. But now, with all these prominent scientists talking about Hollywood science fiction as if they are real, I am utterly confused.)
Now, on to this thing called parallel universe. You said you knew this stuff in 80′s. Please, enlighten me.
1. Is existence of parallel universe accepted in general academia?
2. Anyone proved the existence of parallel universe not using theoretical math?
3. Is M-theory the latest theory?
4. What is 11th dimension (in plain language)?
5. Who came first? R.Bradbury or M-theory
6. (This one is personal and optional)How old are you and what is your background?
7. And lastly, please provide more credible links on M-theory.
Sorry if I asked too many questions.
RE:Seth Speaks
I googled awhile ago when you first mentioned it. I couldn’t stomach it. But will try later. Maybe I will be more open-minded :)
Dear WTC7
Sorry for not restraining. The doc was earth shattering for me like that time when I found out Jesus wasn’t a white man with blond hair and blue eyes.
:-D
Dear Joe:
I knew in the 80′s every thing is multidimensional. Force yourself to listen to the 13 Audio presentations on Seth speaks.
1* How can it not be accepted!
2* How can you prove something you can not see, except by Theoretical Math.
3* M Theory is one of the proven theory’s, don’t worry they will find more. 11- dimensional M-theory requires “spacetime” to have 11 dimensions, since time is an illusion, they will have to revamp the theory somewhat.
4* It is a vibrational level. As an analogy AC current is 60 cycles per second. If you could slow down time an electric light bulb will seem to go on and off. Slow down time even further, we will seem to go on and off, we are here and then we are not here, ad infinitum.
5* M-Theory created R. Bradbury.
6* I am older than you are. I am just a person that wants to know how thing work.
7* All you have to do is Google M-Theory.
Never be sorry for asking questions!
:D
‘This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill – the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill – you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.’ – Morpheus
Joe:
You got it!
:D :D
It’s ‘Occam’s razor’
Tigerass:
I know what it is, you could also use occem’s ockham’s, I was listening to some Audio on Achems Razor site, so I decided to use it.
At least you are thinking!
I always thought it was some blokes name.
Either way, the name seems a bit of a paradox for a guy with a keen interest in theoretical physics.
Not really Tigerass:
Right on this site after 30 years, they finally incorporated the 11th dimension into string theory, which ended up to be the simplest solution!
By the way I really like your name! :D
Razor – I am still learning about Parallel Universe. But I have to admit it is very hard – I feel LIMITED. Perhaps, some guidance?
Joe:
We are all limited Joe.
There is no easy solution, especially for the scientists. Keep persevering and you will get it!
This is something that is difficult to learn overnight. You can call these paradigms Consciousness Evolution! Because of our Linear Time, it is hard to imagine that everything is all ready done, no past, present and future. But we have probabilities, from the vast sea of Quantum energy.
Watch right here on TDF. Watch.
“The Primacy of Consciousness”
“What the Bleep Do We Know!?”
“The Elegant Universe”
These should give you more insight!
Regards…. :D
They can’t pinpoint the atomic elements. String theory, M theory, parallel universes and the theory of everything are basically the same theory and to me it is all rubbish. I am certainly a lay man, but just if you pay attention to what they say it is in fact that all these fantastic things that they theorize about come from the basic fact that They Cant Pinpoint Atomic Sub-elements. That is it. They cant pinpoint them so they come up with all kinds of theoretic science to explain that inability. Why not just say “we don’t have the ability to do that yet” and go on. Instead we get this, going as far as to doubt gravity!? There are no parallel universes and claiming that there are such things is no more sophisticated then calling things God when you lack the knowledge to explain them. This is one fancy “God” cry.
I think that there are definitely some attention whores in the science community of which Michio Kaku is at the forefront. All he does is show up in documentaries, somewhat like Paris Hilton of the science world.
To George, You sound just like the nay sayers of Orville and Wilber’s day. You also sound like the many scientists of recent years that said that the atom was the smallest particle possible before we found sub atomic particles existed. Quarks were a theory at one time. Strings are the next “boogey man” to fall and perhaps the doors to other dimensions finally.
To me the theory of brane collisions explains nothing. They have avoided saying that our universe did not simply pop into existence using it, but then it begs the question where did these branes come from? and if you manage to form some explanation for that… how do you explain that explanation? Is it just “turtles all the way down”?[1] It seems pointless to me, as there is always going to have to be some point where time did not exist.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down
Without brain collisions there would be no art!
@ Eli:
Finally, something that makes sense. “Turtles all the way down”
If there are infinite parallel universes doesnt that mean that everything that is possible can, will and has already happened?
So if intelligent design is possible does that mean its true?
If its possible for inteligent life from parallel dimensions to come to ours than they are?
@c2:
1- Yes
2- Yes, if intelligent design made everything, if not, no.
3- Beings that can bend space time.
Im agnostic. Im just having fun thinking about infinity.
If universes are created through a natural process, then there are an infinite number of these.
If and this is a huge,IF, If it is somehow physicly possible for something or someone to create a universe then wouldn’t there be an infinite number of these as well?
Because all possible outcomes/scenerios will occur an infinite number of times.
…they can’t pinpoint the atoms. That is all. The fairytale that they spin out of that is a good one though.
@ all the doubters!
… Never the less the whole Universe IS vibrating and you can actually harvest energy directly from it…. Go spoil yourself on some Nicholas Tesla docus….!
Human minds can do it all – even block our own reality…..
With an open mind intuition starts to work and universal co-creation submerges from within…..
Didn’t really get it.
Achems – Joe pwnd you on this topic – you are still avoiding the question and pass the goddamn spliff!
Yavanna:
Ain’t got no spliff, and don’t do no spliff, (honest)
Dear Joe,
You say this stuff Is really pushing your limit.
Isnt that the whole point?
It seriously pushed peoples limit when they were being told the earth wasnt flat. That sounded crazier than any of this at that time.
My own view Is that this other universe Is directly beside us, and around us. It may be outside of our senses, In the same way that science has now proved that sharks can see the energy field around the body, but the human eye Is not sensitive enough to pick It up. Perhaps In more ways like that, our mind Is like a radio reciever, that Is tuning Into a certain frequency, and this other dimension, Is just vibrating at a different frequency. Something like ‘Acchems’ analogy of the AC current.
Regardless of what Is true or false, I look forward to the scientific discoveries of the next 10 years!!
Very similar to what I said back on Dec 20. Your reference to frequencies immediately make me think of Tesla. I wonder how the Tesla field in Alaska is truly being utilized? You know , HAARP?
joetmml
Yes I see now your comment Is simular.
I Yahoo`d HAARP, plenty of different theories about It out there!
@george
I dont understand when you say “pinpointed”..if you mean scientists havent directly observed subatomic particles then you’re mistaken. Electrons are subatomic particles. You should read up on Neutrinos, anothr subatomic particle way smaller than an electron, which has also been “pinpointed”.
Time is but a measurement(creation of man)of movement/change in order for us to grasp it.
Everything is energy. Energy of the universe is infinite. Therefore everything consists of or is infinite energy. Anything infinite has no beginning and no end.
Food for thought!
The ancient Taoists pretty much had it figured out. It’s not only mysterious but illusive. The closer science thinks it is getting, it eludes them. Why?
From Chuang Tse…
“Do you exist or do you not?” asked Light of Nothing. Light received no reply and stared hard at him. Nothing was dark and empty. All day Light looked but could not see him, listened but could not hear him and tried to touch him but could not find him.
Finally light said to himself, “This is the highest limit! I can be conscious of not-being but cannot be unconscious of not-being. When I am conscious of not-being, there is still consciousness. How does he (Nothing) ever attain to this height?”
Im sorry but i dont understand this exactly. From my own research i have read claims that there is a infinite amount of these universes. now if this is true, that would mean any possible scenario, any plausible idea, any conceivable action has, will and is happening somewhere in another universe.therefore on one of these universes someone has found a way to travel between them and destroy other universes therfore we would not be able to have this discussion right now. Since there is an infinite amount of them i can assume whatever i want because the possiblilities are literally endless. Therefore i am confused why people still believe in this theory. does any body want to help me out???
@ Flash when you say,
‘infinite amount of these universes. now if this is true, that would mean any possible scenario’ and
‘therefore on one of these universes someone has found a way to travel between them and destroy other universes’
it could mean any possible scenario within your own universe since travel to other universes is not thought to be possible.maybe this is an example of a pan multiversal theory.
Also, we all know that science loves to throw up seemingly crazy ideas then test hypothesis and find out just how valid these ideas are, maybe its still a work in progress.
the only other noteworthy point i have to add is that the maths lead scientist to this postulate thus giving the idea more than just a cursory amount of interest.
On a lighter note, most theoretical physicists are just big kids with a fascination for sci-fi who love to tell amazing stories.
nice thinking dude and to be fair hypothesis like that are exactly what allows progress to occur in scientific fields of endevour. there is nothing science loves more than a paradox as they are usually a gateway to new knowledge.
@ Epicurian_ Logic:
Right on! All the things that people thought impossible could fill a book!
it seems quite natural to me that our universe was ‘born’ from the collision of two other universes. seems like it [universes] also adheres to simple forms of reproduction. ;)
i dont understand the concept of thinking that something existed before time. time is a concept that we created [right?], why do we think the universe is subject to a concept that we created? … that seems a bit limited to me. after all, we just seem to be props, decorations or perhaps we are models of life that the universe is testing to see if it is worth re-creating similar species on other planets. who knows. the not knowing everything is the best part of it all. it leaves room for iMagination!
@firefly
“why do we think the universe is subject to a concept that we created?”
We didnt create the concept , it was already there to find.
Dear everyone,
Nobody cares what you think. If they did, you would be in the documentary instead. So please, shut up and refrain from posting your imbecile thoughts and comments. That is all.
Dear Experience:
Why don’t you practice what you preach!! I can guaranty you nobody cares for your imbecile thoughts and comments.
That is all!
I think the assumptions by scientists can really stump progress. So many assume the Big Bang Theory is pretty much a given fact. I mean, inventing dimensions to explain this theory is just one of the least scientific thing I know.
It is not in my Oxford But I have seen the term: MULTIVERSE used to describe x-number of universes. Yeah I know? It’s tricky to understand… just like all that DARK MATTER that has more MASS than all visible galaxies combined… WEIRD STUFF! To comprehend?
Butt as far as EXPERIENCE goes if you bend over neutrinos will nail you in the BLACK HOLE! And that is bound to clutter up the mind? (OOPS! I thought? I was STAR-ING in a documentary momentarily)
PS: I quite enjoyed reading the rapport from all you armchair space intellects… So much! That my wee head hurts! Wonderfully! Keep it up! If there wasn’t “Mysteries” in the universe(s) I’d have to go back to reading those cheap detective novels.
PSS: LAFF IT UP PEOPLE! Gotta go…God’s on the phone…
Note: @ Achems Razor There’s more toxic ingredients in those Canadian Classic **** than there is Stars in the sky overhead. Start chewing those nicorettes I’ve booked us on a Moon flight in 2020. (cough cough)
@ Cliff T You will understand everything once you start thinking? Outside of the box… See! I told you it was easy… You would enjoy reading Douglas Adams Novels, like: The restaurant at the end of the universe. More fun than mind-expanding drugs.
@Joe Hey! It’s time to water those pot plants. Don’t just think? BIG BANG! Think: BIGGER BHANG!
CHEERS EVERYONE!
Hey Achem’s, did you get that telescope working that I gave you? To Experience: why are you even on this site?
I enjoy seeing all these forward thinking people and all of your ideas, thank you all. I have an idea of time, parallel universes and existence also. My idea was formulated while reading some of Heinlen’s novels. I see time and existence as a multi stranded thick cable twisting, flowing, and meandering through space. Each strand within the cable is symbolic of timelines of existence and the events that occur within that existence.
At times, usually due to man’s time traveling interference, there are fluctuations in the events of that timeline. When this occurs, there is like a spark that jumps from one wire to another. One event of time altered like say the Kennedy assassination, or the advent of Hitler, that causes all other events down the wire to be altered and therefore creating a new “time”. It is not that the old wire does not exist anymore, the old wire still exists and continues on its path, it is just a new timeline, or wire, also now exists at the same time within the confines of the cable because the hand of man altering one significant event.
Some events changed will end up as a frayed wire exitting the cable into nothingness. Most events changed will continue to flow with the cable on its God given path and continue onto its destination preordained by God. Removal of some people in time will only lead to their replacement and time (the primary cable) flows on its preordained path with different people. In some instances: the fray results in the non existence of our corporal physical being. Our molecules and atoms are dispersed to the great “Is” or, “I Am”, and everything begins again.
Just some thoughts, rather simplified, that I have.
@ joetmml
You speak like a true sci-fi guy and are well read and would make a good teacher (if you aren’t one already) the way you make logical sense of the unknown… expressed in layman’s terms…BRAVO!
I googled: “multiverse” since my last posting and it pretty much says it all! Like Einstein’s unfinished Theory Or Douglas Adam’s: The universe and everything is: the number 42.
I often visualized other dimensions akin to: tuning in a radio to different frequencies. If we could physically SEE all the waves moving through space these days… It would appear quite cluttered. (less the unplugged cell phone that remains at the bottom of my desk drawer)
Einstein’s Theory of Relativity: E=mc2 would also denote the existence of other dimensions. The trick is: to get past the speed of light To discover it. (I have had paranormal experiences: “Old Hag’s Syndrome” So I know! We are not alone in this world and it was an overlap)
I still have hope for Experience He (She) (It) just needs more of it! Experience that is. And is likely getting his neutrino-d butt over to the bookstore or library as I speak. AWAKENINGS! That’s the whole idea…Isn’t it? Thinking: Outside of the box!
Jesus Christ @Eff, please do not write your comments like that. I had to go over all of your comments last nigh and edited them properly.
I’m ignoring Vlatko. Get over yourself.
As for the speed of light, in recent years it has been verified that particles can travel faster than the speed of light. Albeit, one of the instances was in a cesium filled laboratory tube but there were also instances in the Cern supercollider where off shoot particles where filmed disappearing and reappearing. The scientiste conclusion was that the particles were traveling faster than the speed of light. Many professors I was associated with in the most recent last five years of college were of the same mind I am, and it is that Einstein like Edison was a thief and did not fully comprehend his supposedly “own” stated theories.
Remember that Einstein’s first job out of Graduate school was in the Swiss patent office reviewing other scientists Physics patents. DUH! Research Edison a little further. The father of electricity in America is Tesla! Other inventions of Edison are other scientists. Edison was a paper pusher! He had all of the scientists under him sign waivers for their inventions and he very conciously waited until he had to “lay off” his team before he used his social connections to expand his corporation. Scum.
Their is no speed limit, although breaking the speed of light is significant in transversing time and space in my opinion. There is a whole another discussion involved in this subject. Thank You Joe
@Eff, I understand the concept very well, but think it’s silly to make a theory fit another when nothing is concrete and then state it must be fact.
Theories should stay just that, theories. That is until someone actually proves it like Evolution, Orbits and the like.
I have stated nothing as a fact. I believe I have stated everything I believe as my own “beliefs” although most are based on socially accepted so called “facts”. Everything is fluid. If you can think it, it can be. I am not a person who needs a box to feel secure. I know that there is a person somewhere who has thought ‘through’ the box and therefore I am vunerable. My ‘Faith’ is all that anchors me and allows me to be unafraid. Jesus is my savior. Science just allows me to coexist with the moment in which we occupy now in our limited knowledge base. Thank you for your thoughts.
@ joetmml:
You ask why I am on this site? I dig science, science is my savior,
Why are you on this site if Jesux, is your savior? Has nothing to do with science!! Religee’s everywhere!
reread it again and realize who I was talking to. (Author noted as Experience) The greatest scientists and philosphers in the world were also men of God. Copernicus is a shining example. Am I not talking to John? I did not realize that your were that closed minded. I had more respect for you than that.
Vlatko
Once again my apologies… I owe you one (or two…or three…) However, As I recall? I did not use J.C. in a pejorative manner only in reference to… I now understand the rules of the game and will abide by them to the best of my abilities. Otherwise, Give me the NOOSE!
All right @Eff, nothing much to worry about. Just don’t hit Enter after every several words.
You put a smile on my face. Accepted and thank You. They wanted to burn Copernicus at the stake for stating what we know as truth today! He was also high up in the church hierarchy as well as his dad. So many of the men I worked with many years ago at Kennedy Space Center Florida were true men of science reaching for the moon and beyond; yet they were also devout men of Faith. At that time in my life I found the two ideas hard to conjugate. Today, I have no problem with it.
@Vlatko
Thanks! I was wondering? What that key button was used for…
ENTER Hmmm?
I am now a proud registered Top Doc member and couldn’t help but notice how little the FORUM area gets used…What gives?
Perhaps the Top Dockers are in a parallel universe?
Anyhow, I’ve come to realize how much time and effort you have put into this site…and rather astounding proportions. I promise not to keep you awake all night tonight editing CHEERS!
Now to find the EXIT key…Hmmm?
@ joetmml
the APOLLO MOON doc site needs you! If you was a former Kennedy space-centre worker, then your input would be quite desirable. There is quite a power-house discussion happening there. And don’t forget to register (as I just did) so we can
activate the FORUM area and all have a BLAST!
@ joetmml:
I misread your post, I apologize. It was @ Experience: whom you asked why he was even on this site.
Think I need new glasses, (LOL). again I apologize.
Peace.
@Eff
I have just perused the Apollo site discussion and I cannot reveal what I know. I will only say 911, And thanks Achem.
We’re close things will start coming to light, (no pun intended), soon. My guess is we are all seeking the right answers to the wrong questions. I have watched this doc several times not quite a year ago. it’s interesting but not important,
I like this theory. I’m not sure if it is true or not but you cannot discount anything because it seems far out. All you have to do is look at the history of science learn that lesson. Also, I like the idea of multiple universes. I believe all the possibilities exist at any given moment and we move through the universes based on the actions we take. And before you make fun of the idea, since time is just another dimension and the beginning of time to end is already in existence your only alternative is to believe that all of your actions are predetermined and you have no control over it. I don’t care for that idea.
@jerry balentine:
You missed something important, you do have control, it is called probabilities, probable actions that you take, determines in which direction you are heading. Nothing is predetermined.
@ Jerry
See how belief in God and free will work right into the belief of parallel universes. In one life you have chosen one thing that has brought you to where you are with certain circumstances. In another parallel universe you made different choices and are in a different place. I believe though that part of your ‘inner voice’ is the spirit knowing of both their existences and assisting in guiding your path. Prayer helps a lot in being able to listen. Just a thought.
This is so dumbed down I cannot have an opinion. It is only a discussion of the surfaces of the theories and gives no history of the nuts and bolts or formulae.
Are there any knowledgeable Physicists who think this is all just a math game? Do experimental physicists have other ideas?
What happens if you introduce a 12th dimension? As a musician I like this idea and it seems it would compliment string theory better. Very dissonant harmonies in a scale with 11 divisions.
Is there a good primer for theoretical physics? Without the math this just sounds like new age gobbaly gook.
The Carpenter
Sorry for my folly, Experience.
I don’t buy it. Sorry.
Scott Henthorn:
With respect, but if you are at all interested.
To find the math all you have to do is Google, it is there.
Free maths courses from MIT, Stanford, and other places.
Why I will even do some of the work for you…Google, “Theoretical Physics Primer”
@Achems
Some things are predetermined and some are random. For example; I predetermined I was going to call a hooker lastnight. The one who showed up, was totally random :D
@ Achems Razor,
I am very interested. My time is limited so I was just curious if anyone knew of a particularly clear and concise intro.
Thanks.
@ Achems Razor,
I am very interested. My time is limited so I was just curious if anyone knew of a particularly clear and concise intro.
Thanks.
@young:
I don’t know what you mean? You did call, or you didn’t call? If you called with a preference in mind, and was not what was expected, you have to take into consideration that person, or persons perspectives, they have probable events just as you. So in this case someone else showed up that appeared as a random event to you.
@Scott Henthorn:
A precise intro?
Yes, but you have to ask @Epicurean_Logic: he is the mathematician among us, he will “possibly” give you precise directions on how to achieve your goal.
He has posts on this blog, check above.
ahhhhhhhhhhh achems. A simple lol would have sufficed.
For anyone interested in expanding their knowledge in maths and sciences this looks like a reasonable collection of lectures. I have only started with the precalculus stuff for review, but it seems to work at a reasonable adult pace.
The Carpenter