Secrets of the Koran

Secrets of the KoranThe Koran is one of the most important works ever written. For almost one billion people worldwide, it is the Holy Scripture, the word of God and his prophet.

For others, it is a historical artifact that has left an indelible imprint on the world. Decoding the Past: Secrets of the Koran probes the heart of the work that many outside Islam find mysterious.

This feature-length program examines the history of the verses and their implications for modern times, as well as the striking similarities and differences between the Koran and the Bible.

Trace the influence of the Koran from the Golden Age of Islam to the modern rise of jihadism, and hear from top Islamic scholars and holy men as they share their insights into the work that lies at the foundation of one of the world’s great religions.

The History Channel provides the perfect guide to understanding the fundamental work that has shaped the Muslim faith for over 1,400 years, and will long continue to influence modern history.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Meaghen-Couvillon-Haynie/100000550904894 Meaghen Couvillon Haynie

    I'm not saying ti's not a good documentary (especially by their standards); I'm just saying that The History Channel has never provided a "perfect" guide to anything. Overselling a bit there, guys. I would take a Nova doc on the same subject over a History Channel one any day.

  • Guest

    AS a muslim, I am amazed watching this :D

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Reman-Hamilton/1172353750 Mark Reman Hamilton

    lame! all organized post pagan religion is pyramid power; the creation of Islam was a retort to the intended genocide of rival pyramids-Anglo European greed. The alleged need for protection from pagans by Islam is especially lame. a true God would have tried to help them at that time.

    pagans were turned into a dysfunctional culture of addiction, crime and mental illness because their culture was destroyed by pyramid genocide and slavery. In 1400 pagans were a mass of dysfunction beyond repair because of Christians and Jews, the slave traders and prison economy people. Now, all of the people on this planet are polarized ready to kill everyone, most of all, the gun toting Christians of Southern California, the industrial/economic Rome of the 21st century.

    my people design weapons systems and manufacture them were I live for perpetuity's sake. I have esquire at the end of my name, I am at the top of the pyramid you would think, but no freedom is in my life and injustice via tyranny can affect me in my life as easily as those at the bottom of the pyramid.

    the solution is using this system to change itself. it alleges it worships truth and justice. time to put your words into effect and stop the duplicity. honesty and transparency have to start because of the internet. if not, the people (corporate widgets) are gradually going to lose motivation and this thing will just be too slow to work. we do not have to fight this time, just lay down. make them be honest with us starting very soon.

    we did not need a prison economy here, the civil war created it though, now it is here to take over

  • capriciouz

    This almost seems like pro-Islam propaganda. I dunno.

  • Guest

    Interpretation of those old books is what keeps religions going, is what keeps division happening, is what keeps peace constantly for tomorrow.
    Not until we throw the old books away will we be able to start a new beginning.
    How can we go on believing something written 2000yrs ago when we can't go on following our own past perception of right and wrong from day to day.
    az

  • Guest

    Spare me the details. They lost me with the no booze rule, and anyhow who would want 4 wives are they #$%^in crazy. If they would have said 4 girlfriends that would at least sounded reasonable.

  • Guest

    Zatarra the way you like to confront people constantly, you're possibly lucky if you can keep one girlfriend, 5 would probably have you in a bad position, two holding your feet and two holding your hands and one holding the knife in the midddle...lololol
    az

  • Guest

    this may be a bad joke, but it is a joke!
    az

  • http://www.facebook.com/mcjabbo Jakub McJabbo

    Terrible quality :-

  • Guest

    I NEVER SAID I WOULD WANT 4 And 5 is not even legal in the koran god even knows better than that. In america the first one might ding you in the head with a .38 cal while u sleep if she catchs you. Im just sayin where this is praticed women have no rights so why bother to marry any of them because it aint fooling anyone but themselves.

  • Gary V

    In many ways it very similar to the Bible & it is equally irrelevant today. They both show a view of the world as it was seen around 2000 years ago & both were used to try to answer the questions that we now have the answers to thanks to scientific discoveries. Both the Bible & the Koran have been used as much as a political weapon as they have for religious spirituality. Neither still have any relevance in these modern times. It is time that we all moved on from these outdated myths, secular Humanism is the only way for Humanity to progress.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=587624376 Cheryl Nagele Chambers

    Moderators, please remove my ID. I didn't realize that signing in with FB would allow a link to my FB wall. Thank you.

  • Gary V

    @ Cheryl Nagele Chambers

    If you click on the DISCUS tab above you can change your profile, so that this no longer happens.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5TF7AJYCBS57F3PRAFGREXF3CU Moses Walls

    I read this book at it doesnt make sense, I dont know what the fuss is all about with the Koran, as fairytales go i would put it somewhere between the wizard of oz, and alice in wonderland. Not worth reading tho :->

  • Guest

    no u are wrong. there is no such thing as secularism when ur economy (lifeblood of a civilization) is run on talmudicjew practices like usury, rent etc. both islam and christiaity forbid such practices to avoid economic disasters. why do u think our economy so unstable and hit by crisis every 7 years? answer: zionist bankers :D

  • Guest

    Everyone's privacy is their own responsibility, welcome to the internet Mrs Chambers. lol....

  • leonardobdas

    watch the documentary on uganda gay people.... it shows how power and religion can push the buttons that would get almost any legislation passed.... if it was not the koran.... somebody would write another book.

  • http://www.topdocumentaryfilms.com Epicurus

    typical. blame the jews for everything. yes the jews control it all thats right, you keep believing that.

    hilarious how anti-semitics have used conspiracy theory to hide their racism.

  • 01bad2dbone

    If i didnt belive in any book from god which the koran. I would go steal i would go and kill people i would go torture people i would commit every crime and take every drug thats is avilable but guess what stopping me from all this my Religon :)

  • Gary V

    @ 01bad2dbone

    If you need a book to tell you right from wrong then you are seriously lacking in intelligence. I have never needed any book or religion & I have never stolen or killed or tortured anyone. You've got me with the drugs though. lol

  • http://profiles.google.com/k.s.bruce Kim Bruce

    The Qur'an, like the aHadith and Sira is a load of crap written by a pschopathic narcissistic madman who had a messiah complex. Mohammad tried and failed to sell his ideology to Arabs, Jews and Christians of 7th century Mecca for the first 13 years and failed. So he fled with his life and a few folowers to Medina. When he came back to Mecca he had an armed force and began slaughtering anyone who refused to believe in his ideology.

  • http://profiles.google.com/k.s.bruce Kim Bruce

    Mohammad was also suspected of being an epileptic.

  • http://profiles.google.com/k.s.bruce Kim Bruce

    Mohammad was a pirate. He raided caravans, raped women, paid mercenaries to do his dirty work while he himself received one fifth of the total booty. He was a pedophile. He married Ayisha while she was six years old, rubbed himself sexually on her thighs until she was nine and then he consumated the marriage.

  • StillRV

    Yes I vas der juwes definately der juwes. I vood elaborate but mein boots are needink der polish.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A3T4IRJ6XGJT4UTB6LZ46X43OE OccultAlien

    in every religion there is someone who proclaims a new idea, which threatens an already ruling class, and struggle ensues, people are persecuted and blood spills.

    I think there is more truth and more to learn from this process and it's repetition throughout history. if this phenomenon is studied with diligence, urgency, and benevolance by respected people then I think humanity can go a long way.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A3T4IRJ6XGJT4UTB6LZ46X43OE OccultAlien

    at least until those respected and benelovant people create an established beauracracy which undermines another voiceless and powerless group, and the process begins again.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A3T4IRJ6XGJT4UTB6LZ46X43OE OccultAlien

    but in the process try to have some manners. they go a long way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    lols well then you are what is known as a "psychopath" - and no book will ever cure that.

    I have no religion, or book - and I don't steal, kill, torture, take drugs or commit crime.

    So how about keeping your mental healths issues to yourself, and stop trying to force people to do things your way - not all of us are crazy and need an imaginary god to help us understand the difference between right and wrong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    rofl ppl like you should be forced to get a license for the internet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    I don't think religious extremists care about your idea of manners.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    Wow imagine that 1500 years ago. The newspapers and press must have been horrified.

    Believe me - you don't want to know what YOUR ancestors were up to 1500 years ago.

    Get a brain.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    rofl.....and your point is.......?

    Einstein was probably autistic, as I suspect Jesus also was.

    Even worse, your ancestors used to eat body lice.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    This is not restricted just to this religious book. The bible (old and new) is just as bad.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    Crazy woman^

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    NO WAY! THE KORAN IS PRO ISLAMIC PROPAGANDA???

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    omg that means the bible is...and the torah is....omg my brain...

  • Justin_Funski

    What Kim Bruce noted is true and your personal attack on him doesn't change the fact that Mohammed was a military leader masquerading as a religion and had no problem wiping out entire communities of Jews and foreigners, a nasty habit Abu Bakar mimicked. I doubt Kim Bruce's ancestors were quite so notorious.

  • Justin_Funski

    His point is: Epileptics with temporal lobe seizures are prone to hallucinations, a relatively important item, if true, in someone in a position as a religious leader with a supposed direct line to the Almighty.

  • Justin_Funski

    I tried to read the Koran (supposedly a good translation from a university press). I have previously read many religious texts and a lot of atheistic and anti-religious books as well. I put "The Holy Koran" down after it became impossible to decipher - never have I read so much gobbledygook, honestly in my life. The thoughts were incongruent and scattered, the phrasing was mysterious and there seemed to be no point to it. This is the kind of book anyone could take and mean anything by it. Not that people don't do that with the Bible, too but the Bible is at least readable and has stories with a beginning, end and supposed moral to them.

  • Guest

    What do you think his new brain would provide you with?
    az

  • Guest

    Again dead-on Dead_Head
    az

  • Guest

    good play! lol mho
    az

  • Guest

    Ya, but he's #1 bad to the bone! lol
    az

  • Guest

    @StillRV, you guys are pretty funny tonight!
    az

  • Guest

    @Psinet

    i play for i
    to win the dot
    and dispose the words
    in the middle
    of a long harmonious phrase
    az

  • Guest

    Dude dont do drugs/carry or they will stomp you and take all your money then tell you its your fault and you sould be sorry it took them so long to set you to right! Hello using drugs is like saying the holocaust did not happen it's code for get him!....Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulez

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A3T4IRJ6XGJT4UTB6LZ46X43OE OccultAlien

    for over a thousand years people have been warring and fighting each other and so much suffering among tribes and nations across the earth, all over differing interpretations of one single book.
    and the name of that book is.

    'Beyond Anger, A Guide for men - how to free yourself from the grip of anger and get more out of life'...

    .............

  • Guest

    They dont fight over books they fight over loot and the power to tell the illiterate people whats in the books! So they understand how to Respect Authority and so they can be told what they are fighting for! Laissez Les Bon Temps Roulez!

  • http://www.facebook.com/wiowens Walter Ian Owens

    @01bad2dbone...and the cops.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    Probably a valid perspective.

    Either that or a brand new comedy routine.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    I doubt either you OR Kim Bruce have any idea what life was like 1500 years ago, because you demonstrate your lack of perspective and education by targeting a particular religion's ancient beginnings. If you had a clue, you would realise that the BEST you could hope for was your ancestors were murdering brutes themselves - because if they weren't, they would have starved - and you wouldn't exist to sprout your "knowledge" on the internet.

    This is a public space, and you are targeting other peoples religion. If you want to partake - then harden the $%#@ up and stop being so precious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    Just between you and me - I think it is safe to assume anyone who has a direct line to the Flying Spaghetti Monster is completely bonkers.

    Are you trying to assert there are OTHER people around who DON'T have epilepsy but DO have a direct line to the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

    Because that makes you bonkers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    I will tell you what is hilarious, and at the same time present you with a free lesson in reality. Islam is just another religion. All the "wise" people on here trying to denigrate Islam are simply unmasking themselves - because what you fail to mention in your words of wisdom is that IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH RELIGION YOU ARE REFERRING TO. ALL ARE IMAGINARY. Denigrating one insinuates that you know of a better one - which I know for a fact you don't - which will make you the butt of my jokes ;)

    By denigrating Islam, you demonstrate your underlying racism only. All religions are similarly guilty, and trying to argue that any given book or prophet or god is "unworthy" just makes you look like the ignorant $#%@ you are.

    If you want to make statements about specific religions in public, I suggest you harden the $%#@ up and be prepared to be ridiculed. Because all religion is BS, and by choosing one, you expose your small minded religious tendencies.

    History looks something like this:

    The Jews stole from the Zoroastrians, Jesus stole from the Jews, Mohammed stole from the Christians, and the Muslims invented the scientific method. There is no revelation.

    Thanks for listening.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    I am sorry but I know many, many angry women. And I don't think Cleopatra and Catherine the Great encouraged their armies to take up yoga.

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    "Beyond Arbitrary Hippydom, A Guide for Anyone - how to free yourself from the delusion that nature isn't cruel, and how to interact with the real, big, bad world"

  • http://www.facebook.com/NANDGated NAND Gate

    Love to see someone comparing the validity of religious books. So counter-intuitive its insulting!

    Bible beginning: God did it.
    Bible ending: God did it.
    Moral: Fear God.

  • Sam Baktashi

    I wonder how many ppl who have commented here have actually watched the documentary.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001825191848 James del Valle

    it seems the Koran has a split personallity, it says in this Jews and christains are people of the book also but it also says in the Koran not to take christains and jews as your friends, ive heard later verses which got revealed to Mohammad cancel ones from before if their is a contradiction, how much of all this dirt on the Koran is true and how much has been invented by the Jews to gain support for their aggression in the middle east?

  • http://www.facebook.com/owen.marshal Owen Marshal

    Hope you don't mind me putting my two cents worth in. After reading your entry, I really couldn't help myself. I agree with you that all religions are imaginary, but if you denigrate one of them, how exactly does that 'unmask you'? Surely all of them are worth denigrating! Since these posts are related to the documentary about the koran, it stands to reason that this is the place to denigrate the koran. When you say that denigrating one insinuates that you know of a better one... well, how's that? I denigrate Islam. That doesn't mean I think there is a better religion. Nor does it mean I am racist. Those are absured claims. If you really mean them, please back them up. Does it mean if I only denigrate christianity I am racist? Against whom, exactly? Your thinking is faulty on those claims - I think because you were blinded by your heated emotion. So, it's okay for you to ridicule those who ridicule the koran but not okay for those to ridicule the koran? You must either still be a muslim or you once were a muslim and you don't know how to think straight! O

  • Guest

    A religious doc and no ping pong match between Achems and CnN...what's wrong with this picture?
    az

  • StillRV

    It is not about Christianity. CnNs chosen faith and Achems chosen target.

  • Guest

    No subject is a too distant for those two normally, all they need is one to start. Wait for the vacation to end, you'll see!
    I am not complaining, i think they are very entertaining and i think they think that too.
    az

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NPNEWLKCLDNMMB3XIKCBRSEH2U Ali

    i agree but imagine if u lived in anciente time with no education i will garantie u would do bad things thanks to religion we r here without religion no marrige ...............................

  • far far

    The big secret of the Koran is that its the book the Bible should have been!

    The first part was a good introduction to the Koran and history of Islam.

    The second part starts talking about the crusades and then Jihad. A bunch of Muslim apologists appear in between pictures of Osama... horrible...

  • far far

    Christians, Jews and many other religions of the Abrahamic faith are specifically protected in the Koran/Islam.

    Although there is a general rule about love in the Bible are other faiths protected?

    "Verily, those who have attained to faith, as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians - all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve." (Quran 2:62)

    The question of befriending depends on their belief and acceptance of your own belief.

  • http://twitter.com/audiotech1 Audiotech

    A very good documentary that gave me an informed, invaluable understanding of Islam and its present struggle to adapt to modernity in the face of its reactionary, fundamentalist minority, who are resistant to change. A similar path that Judaism and Christianity passed through.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001825191848 James del Valle

    minority may not be true, what if the fundamentalists are the majority, the jury is still out on islam, far far points out that other religions are protected by Islam yet in Saudi Arabia it is illegal to practice anything but Islam even in your own home, who are the fundamentalists? the keepers of the book seem to be just that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001825191848 James del Valle

    explain why it is illegal to practice anything but Islam in the home of Islam Saudi Arabia, this video makes a good point in saying that people are misinterpreting the Koran but when the message which is said to be given (in video) contradicts the reality of what is happening in the real world, what then is the truth to be based upon, reality in the physical world or what people claim the Koran really means in their opinion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UWK5EQSKZIX4AUDF6WQDJLYNU4 Dave In Dayton

    How are we to know? Which way do we gamble? Would you want them in your community if <1% of them were extremist fundamentalists wanting to kill you and you could not tell the moderates from the extremists?

  • Sieben Stern

    if the texts are not clear and offer so much room for interpretation as to be mysterious and labyrinthine, what is the point of having a book. it forces you to cherry pick and 'interpret' the text based on your own intrinsic morals - which means making moral decisions outside of the 'sacred' texts. which negates the necessity of the book in the first place.

    The bible says you should not suffer a witch amongst you, and the koran says to kill those who will not convert - however most chrisitans and muslims don't run around looking for witches or blowing up heathens. they have decided for themselves that killing other people who are not like them is wrong and go against their 'sacred' texts in order to be more moral and humanist people.

  • His Forever

    I really don't like to watch docs like this (I read the comments first and usually let it pass unwatched). It's pro Islam sounds like; not interested at all.

  • Guest

    I have seen that most religious people are more critical of other's religion than atheists are, which is strange since that is exactly what religion condems while supporting it. All religions have many things in common.
    Why would you not be interested if religious thoughts is what your life rest on. Don't you think you could learn a thing or two or may be even change a thing or two?
    I bet you anything if Achems had made a few comments here, you would have given equal replies.
    Which is good....tells me you enjoy your discussions even though they are miles apart.
    az

  • over the edge

    @az
    "I have seen that most religious people are more critical of other's religion than atheists are" . i believe you are right to a point. while religious people are more critical of the actions of other beliefs they usually stay clear of actually criticizing the writings for out of fear that those same arguments can be used to discredit their own beliefs. as an atheist (a huge minority but gaining ground) i can only speak for myself but with the exposure of religion i grew up with (mostly christian). i had to base my feelings towards others more on who they are as a person and not their faith. or i risked disliking almost everyone around me. the large religions have an easier time excluding other beliefs and still having a social circle. to end with a quote that explains it better than i just did.
    "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you
    dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

  • Guest

    @over the edge
    I don't call myself an atheist or a theist, although if an atheist is to not follow any religion than i am an atheist for that meaning. I do believe GOD can be something he isn't for any religion. I do believe there is more than a lump of skin, bones, and whatever Science think i am made of.
    There is a "creator" as much as i am "created'...although it is still a mystery, i tend to think i am both the creator and the creation itself.
    GOD is not above, under, besides me, it is me, i just don't know to what point yet.
    az

  • over the edge

    @az
    i have read many of your posts and while i don't share your beliefs i rarely feel the need to try to dispute them. i consider you spiritual as opposed to religious and even tho i consider Charles religious i will say to you what i say to him. if your beliefs make you a better person i have no problem with them. unlike some others i do not hope for an immediate disappearance of religion (or spirituality) . the vacuum that would be created would cause more damage than good in my opinion. but i do hope that the influence of such teachings diminishes and eventually disappears. if god is "within" you all i ask is that you keep him there

  • Guest

    @over the edge
    Are you suggesting that people should not state their own opinion? Does this only apply to Spirituality or what? I have never attacted anyone based on their beliefs, i do not care if what people believe or think is not in my line of thoughts. It is very easy to skip over them, all you need is a finger on an arrow.
    The fact that you don't share my beliefs is necessary for you to be you, same for i.
    az

  • over the edge

    @az
    i knew as soon as i posted that it might be taken that way. my bad and apologies. to be more clear everyone is entitled to have and share an opinion. i meant that a belief system should not be forced on others or injected into unrelated topics. and other then suggesting science look for god you haven't been forceful with your beliefs

  • ReligionIsGood

    You are completely ignorant about Islam and the Koran. You really need to read more. No where in the Koran it says to kill anyone. You are looking for an excuse to trash religions.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DMXD5XCPXG46B6HCCJIIOJCNGE Abe Jones

    Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out"

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DMXD5XCPXG46B6HCCJIIOJCNGE Abe Jones

    This is not a historical investigation but a pandering to believers.

    Did Mohammed really talk to God or was he like so many cult leaders we see today? He was successful because he was ruthless and clever in battle, a master at mind-control techniques ("blessed is the name of ..." etc), and he had the historical good luck to find two empires about to expire.

    Just because a lot of people follow him proves nothing of a religious nature. If you are born Muslim you must believe or suffer dire consequences.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GT6LQKL6NM3FPMVCYDSZLT5UVY Bisi Keem

    REad it over again ......they drove you out first.......then you gain the upper hand to regain whatis originally yours. Muslims are not enjoined to attack peaceful ones.

  • ReligionIsGood

    This verse was intended to urge the people of the new faith to stand up and fight back the oppressors as they were not allowed to fight in the first 13 years.

    I am a Muslim and I have studied my religion very carefully. You can fight only who fights you and after the ruler has declared war on them and only the people that are in the army for the fight .

    I can not go and kill anyone for any reason other than in self defense or to protect one's family or property. You seem to have bad intentions to begin with and you pick and choose certain verses cut off from the whole chapter to use as your evidence for your point of view.

    If you intend to really learn the truth about this religion or any other, you will find a lot to learn and appreciate. I would like to know if you really want to learn the truth or just playing games.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001825191848 James del Valle

    Sieben your words are an epic fail, christains were burning witches for centuries and possibly the only reason it doesnt happen today is because athiests wouldnt tolerate it, it is athiests who maintain the balance and prevent religion from destroying us all but we can all be destroyed completely by religion during this century easily, ill be surprised if there is no nuclear war during the next 100 years.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001825191848 James del Valle

    it actually does lol many times

  • Sam Baktashi

    Even the US state security dept. states that the fundamentals of islam constitute less than 1% of the 1.6 billion muslims.

    Saudi Arabia is a retarded country that doesn't have anything to do with Islam. Just because Islam was founded there doesn't mean that a government who rules there (backed by USA) represents.

    That's like criticizing democracy by analyzing the corrupt system in Greece.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ElmoPutz David Foster

    Probably more than have read the Koran.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ElmoPutz David Foster

    Yeah, until somebody accuses them of being religious nuts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ElmoPutz David Foster

    There is a certain type of mold that grows on Rye grass. Rye grass is a staple in the middle-east. Middle-eastern religions make an awful fuss over holy bread. Someone might want to look into that further.

  • tomregit

    He's something of a troll who likes to argue about every statement anyone makes. You are, of course, correct in your reasons as to why the comments on this doc concern Islam and not religion in general. Read his previous posts which you will find to be contrary in nature but unenlightening.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B7BIDRDBE3P3CA74XITOP2B2ZY Joshua

    ReligionIsGood, looks like you know how to copy paste from google haha, niceone...fail.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ElmoPutz David Foster

    A common condition nowadays.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ElmoPutz David Foster

    The intention of the written word is often lost on it's reader.

    It is written that in the end days, many will believe only in the material world. Do not let that anger you. These things must be. It is not for us to judge them; for we ourselves are no closer to the truth in what we believe. How could we be? We have not the capacity to understand God.

  • Guest

    No religion will find what GOD is. All religions claim they already know what GOD is and proven everyday in one way or an other that they don't.
    It leaves it to science to clarify. Is GOD god? Or can GOD be what it is not? Why not? Isn't that what we do, search until we find?
    az

  • http://www.facebook.com/ElmoPutz David Foster

    "All Religions"? Or merely: "All Preachers"? ... Because my religion says that we can never know God. Or rather, I should say: "the book says", because I claim no particular religion (pretty much for that very reason).

  • Guest

    All religions base their idea of what GOD is on old translated and/or interpreted books. Were those words interpreted the right way and does it matter?
    We are in 2011....let us use everything we know as of this second...and come up with a more meaningful GOD. One that may put to rest religions and allow independent spirituality to bloom.
    az

  • http://www.facebook.com/ElmoPutz David Foster

    I'm not sure that I comprehend the difference between religion and spirituality. The idea of a "spiritualist" always struck me as a someone reluctant to commit to any specific belief - possibly for fear of being mocked. Yet, mocked ye shall be, for any consideration other than the politically correct. Nowadays, that only requires the mere mention of the "G" word. 1000 years ago, the situation was the exact opposite. The tide may turn yet again, should science prove not to be the savior everyone is looking for. Time will tell.

  • far far

    Mohammed(pbuh) didnt talk to G-D.

    "in Islam G-d reveals only his will, not himself"

    Its an important fact.

    Its the idea that if you look you can see the order, the creation or the "force".

  • k1971c

    islam makes a lot of fantastic claims for itself,however modern science dispells its many claims,a brief read of the hadiths will show you that muhammad was a meglomanic pedophile warlord that invented islam for his own ambitions,you only need to look at the 1941 kaaba flood photographs to see that they worship a powerless rock other than a supreme allah

  • far far

    Muslims dont worship the rock.

    If the Kaaba wasnt there Muslims would still worship in that direction. Its a symbol of unity.

    Muhammad (pbuh) was just a man.
    If you want to see "ambitions, meglomanic, pedophile, warlords" they are described in the Koran.
    Look up the Pharaohs of Egypt.
    They claimed to be "g-d on earth".

  • far far

    Muslims dont worship the Kaaba or the rock.

    They would still worship in that direction if it didnt exists.

    Its a symbol of unity. First house of G-D.

    Its like saying when you pray in a Church you are preying to a building.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    ? did you even watch this documentary, you don't belong here.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PERXE2HOXUWL6DF4RMGWQ4GBOU Blues Baba

    all myth no logic makes Ali a dull by ...

  • Sieben Stern

    I'm confused - what source can you site that says that atheists stopped the witch trials and the inquisition?

    the point of my comment was to say that even religious people make moral decisions about their religious texts using external sources of morality and ethics based on communal values. if you HAVE to cherry pick what is in the text, you are using another moral compass to decide what in the text you follow and what you do not - therefore doing this negates the necessity of the book in the first place.

  • Sieben Stern

    well, no matter what the book actually says, it doesn't stop muslims from killing others, does it. same with christianity :/

  • ReligionIsGood

    But this is only a problem of people not religion. Failing to understand religion and apply it as should be is the cause of these problems you refer to and this was predicted by the prophet many years ago. Well, you can start with these facts.

    Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and the
    fastest growing religion in the US. Shortly after the 9/11 tragedy the number of converts to Islam in the US quadrupled, you may want to double check this, and in the UK the number increased from about 5000 a year to
    over 60,000 for that year.

    This is only when people took the time to find out about this religion, they were pleasantly surprised. They do not see this religion as a threat to this country or any one. Again, I will go to the end of earth trying to explain this religion to you or any one interested.

    Then you make your judgment based on the truth not falsehood. You may like it or not, but you will base your judgment on what it is and not what they say.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001825191848 James del Valle

    do you believe that the Phoraohs were mistaken as being ancient aliens, I believe the idea behind all religions arose from alien visitation in the past, there is a lot of evidence to support this theory.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001825191848 James del Valle

    Sam thats the craziest statement I've ever heard, all Muslims take their instructions from Saudi Arabia, also most modern reverts are wahabbi, of course the west dont class the saudis as fundamentalists otherwise politicians could expect a severely premature end to their political careers after the Saudis crash the economy of the guilty offender by withholding oil or messing with supplies for everyone. If it wasnt for the black gold the Saudis would be top of the USAs and the UKs hitlist because they are messing up our society massively with their teachings, Saudi Arabia is drawing a wedge between the Muslims and the west for which the purpose of requires guesswork but logic would be a better and easier method of determining why they are doing it, just look at what this teaching does.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001825191848 James del Valle

    its pro Islam for sure but there are severe weaknesses within Islam which have been highlighted, its worth watching.

  • far far

    @James
    Angels like Gabriel and Michael could be classed as Aliens.

    The Koran says that we as humans are more powerful than Aliens/Angels. It says there are many other worlds.

  • Sithlord__

    disapointed in this series. they missed many opportunity to point out flaws and fallacies in the koran. Rather showing them as possible truths. very disappointing.

  • James_May

    wow so for over 1400 years the koran hasnt been altered a single time? i find a miracle in that

  • far far

    I guess youve read the Koran?

  • metalmaji

    Not a single letter has been changed. Do you want to know if it's God's word?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DMXD5XCPXG46B6HCCJIIOJCNGE Abe Jones

    Are you making fun of this guy or saying he's convincing ?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DMXD5XCPXG46B6HCCJIIOJCNGE Abe Jones

    Actually that's not historically correct. There were at one time several versions of the Koran -- there was a call to destroy some variations -- and some stories that had been written down were lost.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DMXD5XCPXG46B6HCCJIIOJCNGE Abe Jones

    I think you need to look up the definition of the word fact.

    This is all supposition.

  • http://profiles.google.com/a.bhai.65 kiraak miabhai

    Beautiful Documentary, we need more of them to dispel the widespread lies created by the western media (to steal american interests i.e, oil and weapons industry)

  • His Forever

    Az:

    I sometimes don't comment where Achem's comments out of not having watched the doc, etc. or lack of interest, believe it or not. I don't enjoy documentaries that are blatantly pro-Islamic for personal reasons best not stated online.

    However, atheists may reject all religions, but Christians KNOW there is a truth to spiritual matters and that is why "religious" people are so furvent for thier beliefs. I'm sure people would point out other religions are equally convinced of their truths. Time will surely tell.

    But, I would say that atheists are just as dogmatic about destroying all faith, like Richard Dawkins, the ACLU, etc. They aren't polite as I tend to be when I address even Muslims. You can't even pray over your lunch at school with the ALCU bringing a law suit nowadadys. Now tell me that's not militant hatred, please, that even "religous" people cannot match----99.9% of the time against Christians.

    Peace to you.

    Charles B.

  • His Forever

    Az: That's doubole talk. Yes, we can surely and truly know God, but we will only know him and find him when we search for him with our whole hearts as the Bbile says. Selfish seekers and the half-hearted need not even attempt it.

    As far as a standardized belief system, I think the measuring stick is who we say Jesus Christ was and is (my personal opinion). Nonetheless, no two people fully believe or understand alike, so there is some room for "grace" in the belief system, but narrowly--as Jesus himself said that "narrow is the way that leads to live and few would find it". That passage of Scripture has always truly saddened me, but it's prove to be very accurate indeed I'm sorry to say.

    Peace to you.

  • His Forever

    Ok. I might as I have time. Thanks!

  • His Forever

    Is there a summary, please? Are these scientific or religous arguments?
    What should I look for as the convincing "proof"?

    Peace to you.

  • metalmaji

    This is an age of Science. In these videos Quran is proved to be the word of God through Science.

    "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -Albert Einstein

  • metalmaji

    When Mohamed got the words from God, he read it to his people. They wrote them down. Later, all these were brought together and wrote down in a book form, and the rest were burned. and NOTHING was lost and added.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ElmoPutz David Foster

    @Abe: He basically said: "It is an important fact that in Islam, G-d reveals only his will, not himself." There is technically nothing wrong with that statement.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ElmoPutz David Foster

    @James and far far: You've hit on a subject that I have long-contemplated.

    Let's say --as science often likes to speculate-- that there are many more advanced species than our own occupying this galaxy; and that there exists a race of beings capable of traversing hundreds, thousands, or even millions of light years distance... Well, if you could do all that just to come have a look at a race of primitive, upright-walking monkeys, wouldn't you want to hang around for a while? Maybe mess with their heads a bit; occasionally fly down and perform a few "miracles"; or even plant a half-breed in their midst, calling himself "The Son Of Man"?

    Food for thought.

  • kman67

    If Allah is all merciful --- why do Muslims still punish and stone people to death? I'm a Mystic Christian, I believe all Bibles have things to say of great value. But things like stoning someone to death for adultery is hypocrisy. I find most Christians and Muslims to be hypocrites; they talk about peace and love while they justify killing at the drop of a hat. If someone commits adultery it is bad enough, but it really isn't anyone's BUSINESS but the sinner's, the spouse and God(Allah). It's another trick by Satan to control people and trick them into exacting cruelty.

  • kman67

    The Word of God is within you. If it was anywhere else how could you understand it? This is wisdom...

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1101373344 Apm Mpa

    @Kman, give me just one word that say we should stone people to death, just one word taken from coran...just one !
    the law in coran for adultery is 100lash for maried people and half (50) for no maried people. its a hard punishment, i'm agree, but its not "dead" punishment !

    please, please please, dont read any thing and say its from islam !

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    Stoning someone to death for Adultery is a mercy to a believer and an expiation of their sins. Do realize that in order to stone someone they need to of either testified against themselves 4 times or there is 4 trustworthy witnesses who see the act of penetration. All of this has to go through Islamic courts. I remembered seeing something disgusting on a Jerry Springer show, it was called I am pimping out your girlfriend, where the guys best friend sold his girlfriend at a cheap hotel to a line of eager men for a few dollars ago, while he watched this on a big screen. That does not happen in a society with Shariah.

    Consider the following:

    1. Adultery and fornication is just using one another to fulfil one’s passion and desire. A human being should be respected and not just used. In marriage, there is loyalty and commitment.

    2. Adultery/fornication either leads to illegitimate children who feel a sense of immorality in their entire life. They will lead by the example their biological parents set for them. Adultery/fornication may lead to abortion if the partners do not wish to have a child. That is murder.

    3. Adultery and fornication that leads to a person having multiple sex partners. That is the cause of Aids and other epidemics.

    I read that a woman came to the Prophet and said I have committed adultery and I want the punishment of God.
    The prophet questioned to see if she is aware of what she accusing herself.
    She insisted and she said I am pregnant.
    He said then go and take care of your pregnancy. (that is 9 months)
    After she delivered she brought the child and she said I am ready I want to be cleansed.
    He told her go and breast feed the baby (that is 2 years)
    The woman still came back and said the child can now eat food and I am ready for the cleansing.

    Now you see the contrast.
    No one followed or caught the woman, she came to admit herself
    The prophet was giving her an excuse to go and not come back because she was not restrained or imprisoned not monitored she kept coming back on her own accord.

    There are no record of policing and spying for sinful people trying to catch people at fault in their private life. None what so ever.
    Punishment only applies if a person is declaring their sins in public (this is a universal rule)

    All other privacy infringement we hear about are all blown out of proportions, false or non-Islamic in nature but culture.

  • 0zyxcba1

    4,000 lesbians and gays have been executed since the 1979 Islamic revolution. Methods of execution include; beheading, chopped in two, stoning to death, burning alive, and being thrown alive from a high building

  • 0zyxcba1

    4,000 lesbians and gays have been executed since the 1979 Islamic revolution. Methods of execution include; beheading, chopped in two, stoning to death, burning alive, and being thrown alive from a high building

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ metalmaji,

    4,000 lesbians and gays have been executed since the 1979 Islamic revolution. Methods of execution include; beheading, chopped in two, stoning to death, burning alive, and being thrown alive from a high building

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ metalmaji,

    4,000 lesbians and gays have been executed since the 1979 Islamic revolution. Methods of execution include; beheading, chopped in two, stoning to death, burning alive, and being thrown alive from a high building

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ metalmaji,

    4,000 lesbians and gays have been executed since the 1979 Islamic revolution. Methods of execution include; beheading, chopped in two, stoning to death, burning alive, and being thrown alive from a high building

  • 0zyxcba1

    I have.
    It's garbage.

  • 0zyxcba1

    4,000 lesbians and gays have been executed since the 1979 Islamic revolution. Methods of execution include; beheading, chopped in two, stoning to death, burning alive, and being thrown alive from a high building

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ far far,

    4,000 lesbians and gays have been executed since the 1979 Islamic revolution. Methods of execution include; beheading, chopped in two, stoning to death, burning alive, and being thrown alive from a high building

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    There is no True Islamic Shariah in the world at this time.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    The Quran says to obey Allah and his Messenger, can you give me one Ayat in the Quran, that tells us how to make ablution? No. .. Thats why we have the science of hadith. I suggest you read up a little bit more.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    May Allah guide us.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    It was a Shia Islamic revolution, remember that.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    stop spamming

  • metalmaji

    If you're talking about IRAN (Shia). I'd say they are not true Muslim.. Muslims don't worship any man or worship through a man. Shia worship through their Imams. That's not Islam.... You know, every 32 second a rape takes place in US.... And the bible also says death penalty for having sex with same sex.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1101373344 Apm Mpa

    Iran is Iran, and Islam is Islam :)

    look in Algeria, an islamic and arabic/berbers contry, we kill any one.
    we have a dummy people how styl kill for honor, but nothing to do with Islam

    and stoning is not mentioned in coran ! than please ! stop thinking Islam is what other do as crime ^^

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1101373344 Apm Mpa

    ah i forgot, in the whole Islam, there is no punishment by burn or by chopped in tow, in this life

  • http://www.facebook.com/brittany.goudie Brittany Safa Goudie

    Hey.
    There is a mistake in the introduction to this documentry ..."the word of God and his prophet."
    That is incorrect as it is Allah's Speach. The Quran was revealed to The Messenger of Allah through different means over the 23 years of his Prophethood.
    As a side note- I won't be responding to any uninformed and negitive commenets. Thanks.

  • ralerale

    Hey.
    Well, if we wanna be really precise, then we should say: it is the word of Muhammed, who then said it was the word of a god who spoke to him. Then you are free to believe it or not. Right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/trabbitt1991 Tom Rabbitt

    The question is not, "Is Islam violent?" but instead, "Why is the Arabian Islamic culture still so 'old worldly' and modernized? Why has Christianity not retained its traditions as purely as Islam; how has Islam done this? Is Islam wrong because its people and leaders excuse the violent methods by which people are executed, and the brutish treatment of women? Being violent, as some believe Islam to be, does not disqualify it from being a revelation and a traditions of truth. The violence of ancient, medieval, and modern Christians does disqualify the truth of Christianity as some have come to think. Religions are a philosophy, and philosophy is judge on merit of logic, meaning, and historicity. Islam is false because it was written by a lying talented man, who simply combined the religions of the era into his own philosophy and pushed it like a good salesman. As for my first point, Islam is simply 500 years behind Christianity, if you go back 500 years Christianity and its leaders were similar men, of similar terrible leadership. Globalization will speed up the Muslim modernizations, but not without much suffering and social strife.

  • kman67

    I understand that laws are necessary, but ' Let he among you who has not sinned cast the first stone...'

    Punishment isn't necessary but correction is. Sin is a tragedy, not a slight against God. Until the world realizes this it will remain the way it is. You are using excuses to 'defend' God, don't you see that He sees through your lie?

    I would rather be guilty of adultery than murder. Cleansing? Cleansing is when the soul has evolved into a higher state, this cannot be done if the person dies before doing so. This 'sinner' is your brother or sister and you will find yourself guilty before Allah because since you cannot forgive --- you will not forgive yourself. It would be better to give the person a chance to repent like the Prophet did with the woman. It is good she wishes to be cleansed, but the Prophet likely saw that she was in reality a masochist.

    What many like yourself don't understand is that one cannot (unless they are the Messiah) evolve spiritually in 1 lifetime. I can tell u that in the future there will be a new 'unreligion' which will sweep the world; Christianity and Islam are not getting the job done. The Messiah will come again when the time is right, but not until then. Although I am a 'Christian' I do not believe in the idea of a church and power structure, where Satan sifts in --- wherever there is false power he is there. However, a 'council' will be formed involving Christians, Muslims and all the main religions where debate will revolve around eradicating beliefs and half-truths which only hurt the 'School' for the sake of the world's future. The world is a school, we must take care of it. I do not like people telling lies about my brother and Father in heaven.

    The purpose of this world is CHANGE, latching onto antiquated beliefs which cannot stand up to scrutiny only leads to folly. People are not bad, but bad IDEAS make people bad.

    If you wish to debate, please get back.

    May peace and love be upon you...

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    Actually it is your argument that is thousands of years old. I believe that Moses, Noah, Abraham and Muhammad were all accused of been charlatans at the time they were receiving revelation. Allah always gives victory to the believers. And Always Allah has sent one message, There is no god but Allah and submit yourselves to Him.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    Islam's judgement's are not passed by simple human emotion. You should watch the documentary the Arrivals to see who your real enemy is. After all shouldn't obedience to Allah be our life's priority. No I don't want to debate, it is not encouraged in Islam and can cause hate. So I just say Ameen to your last words.

  • kman67

    Modern Christians disqualify the truth of Christianity, but it does not disqualify the truth of Christ. The message of Jesus is all about peace and love and forgiveness. How religious entities incorporate violence into the fold is beyond me, but I have a hunch that it is mostly due to the concept of hell and man's inability to solve he problem of evil. Since man could not find a solution (he failed to ask God) then came the wrath of God and the idea of eternal damnation. Christ did not mention hell in the context in which people think, he was speaking of the 'Lake of Fire' within, not some actual place where there exists a great torture chamber. The Bible is full of contradictions; Jesus asks us to forgive our enemies--- while God condemns His, whom are we supposed to believe? One cannot believe both. A good example of this was the old law of loving your neighbors and hating your enemies; what if your neighbor IS your enemy? Which law applies.

    'God HATES a coward,' ' For I am a jealous God,' these statements are totally illogical; God hates nothing, the devil is the one who hates. Envy is a sin and is obviously a deficiency --- a perfect being is utterly devoid of any deficiency of any kind. Unfortunately the Good Book was partly written to control and brainwash others, without the writers even knowing it, some 300 of them. Jesus spoke of 'soul evolution' and reincarnation, but this equalizes everyone and Constantine wouldn't have that! The hell concept completely complicates people's understanding of forgiveness and tolerance, the concept is his ace in the bag.

    Many Christians cannot believe in reincarnation because they do not understand Christ's message, they do not want to forgive and actually have no right to call themselves followers of Christ. When Jesus shunned those who claimed to know him and serve him by saying, ' Flee from me, I never knew you,' it simply means that really they do not know him, so how could they serve him if they never knew his true nature?

  • jacob6185

    I think that your understanding of shia islam is borne out of sheer ignorance, i used to be a christian but now i follow the true islam the quran and the teachings of our prophet pbuh. Whilst you my ignorant friend follow the twisted teachings of the murdering scum liar coward yazid and his progeny who rule arabia for now. They are spending billions and billions of dollars into propaganda trying to spread their version of islam and fabricated history. I wouldn't go as far and say that your not a true muslim but your definately a hypocrite.

  • 0zyxcba1

    ??????? ??? ????

    “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies'.”
    ~ The Ayatollah Khomeini

    The Story of Umm Qirfa

    Umm Qirfa was an old Arab woman contemporaneous to Muhammad, the prophet of Islam. She belonged to a pagan tribe named Banu Fazara at Wadi Al-Qurra. This old woman who was also a chief of her clan was brutally killed when Muhammad and his followers raided her tribe and overpowered them. The incident took place almost six years after Muhammad’s Hijra (??????? Migration) to Medina in 622 AD.

    Ibn Ishaq, the first authentic biographer of Muhammad gives us the details in his Sirat Rasul Allah:

    Zayd B. Haritha’s raid on Banu Fazara and the Death of Umm Qirfa

    "Zayd also raided Wadi-l-Qurra where he met Banu Fazara and some of his companions were killed; he himself carried wounded from the field. Ward b. Amr b. Madash one of B. Sad b. Hudhayl was killed by one of B. Badr whose name Sa’d b. Hudhaym. When Zayd came he swore that he would use no ablution until he raided B. Fazara; and when he recovered from his wounds the apostle sent him against them with a force. He fought them in Wadi-al-Qura and killed some of them. Qays b. al-Musahhar al-Yamuri killed Mas’ada b. Hakama b. Malik b. Hudhayfa b. Badr and Umm Qirfa Fatima was taken prisoner. She was a very old woman, wife of Malik. Her daughter and Abdulla b. Mas’ada were also taken. Zaid ordered Qays b al-Musahhar to kill Umm Qirfa and he killed her cruelly."
    Ibn Ishaq 980

    “And he killed her cruelly”.
    The cruel method used by the holy warriors of Muhammad to kill Umm Qirfa is described in Al-Tabari:

    “By putting a rope into her two legs and to two camels and driving them until they rent her in two....”

    "Allah’s Messenger sent Zayd to Wadi Qura, where he encountered the Banu Fazarah. Some of his Companions were killed, and Zayd was carried away wounded. Ward was slain by the Banu Badr. When Zayd returned, he vowed that no washing should touch his head until he had raided the Fazarah. After he recovered, Muhammad sent him with an army against the Fazarah settlement. He met them in Qura and inflicted casualties on them and took Umm Qirfah prisoner. He also took one of Umm’s daughters and Abdallah bin Mas’adah prisoner. Zyad bin Harithah ordered Qays to kill Umm, and he killed her cruelly. He tied each of her legs with a rope and tied the ropes to two camels, and they split her in two."
    Tabari Vol.8:Page.96

    Ibn Ishaq continues:

    "Then they brought Umm Qirfa’s daughter and Mas’ada’s son to the apostle. The daughter of Umm Qirfa belonged to Salama b. Amr b. al-Akwa who had taken her. She held a position of honor among her people, and the Arabs used to say, “Had you been more powerful than Umm Qirfa you could have done no more”. Salama asked the apostle to let him have her and he gave her to him and he presented her to his uncle Hazn b. Abu Wahb and she bare him Abdul-Rahman . Hazn."
    Ibn Ishaq 980

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ Bilal Bruce Morpeth,

    "Moses, Noah, Abraham and Muhammad were all accused of been charlatans" because they were all charlatans!(although I am not quite sure Moses, Noah, or Abraham, ever even existed!).

    "...submit yourselves to Him."
    Stop ordering people about! Who do you think you are, anyway?!

    "Allah always gives victory to the believers."(?)

    Now, then, what does "victory" mean? Usually the word "victory" is used in a context involving violent battle. Do all Muslims think like that? Is Islam all about force and battle; all about the victorious and the vanquished? I have always thought so, and now you seem to be confirming my suspicions.

    Sounds like a really 'butch' religion!

    In addition, I am confident you clearly remember once having written that lashings for an adulteress was a mercy! If you honestly believe this, then either you, or Islam, or both, are very sick, indeed!

  • 0zyxcba1

    @metalmaji, @jacob6185

    Do I sense a tad of bitter infighting?

    How startling! Whoever would have thought?

    I have been given to understand that more deaths in Iraq have resulted from Sunnis and Shiites murdering each other than resulted from the entire American war on Iraq. I have also learned that, because of this, a wall(similar to that of the Berlin Wall) has had to be erected in Baghdad by the Iraqi government in order to keep you guys from killing each other.

    How very 'manly'! How very 'masculine'!
    How very serenely p e a c e f u l (lol).

  • 0zyxcba1

    Then why are they doing it?

  • metalmaji

    Iraq civil war was a war Americans started. When they had too much of powerful enemies, they made them each other the enemy, blowing up Mosques and pointing the fingers at the other group. That's America.

  • metalmaji

    Iraq civil war was a war Americans started. When they had too much of powerful enemies, they made them each other the enemy, blowing up Mosques and pointing the fingers at the other group. That's America.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    No victory as they didn't go to Hell, which is wear you'd tell me to go if I continued arguing with you, but hey, thats not my nature. May Allah guide us all and go with peace.

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ Bilal Bruce Morpeth,

    a) spamming ~ I hardly believe that the calculated state sponsored slaughter of 4000 gay men can possibly be overstated, and I am very sorry for you that you do. I pity you.

    b) stop ~ I do not take orders from the likes of you.

    c) "It was a Shia Islamic revolution..." ~ That's right, Bruce, blame it on the Shiite's. They're not REAL Muslims. I wonder what Shiites have to say about that. Typical! When faced with the truth, make excuses and blame it on others. Coward!

    d) "There is no True Islamic Shariah in the world at this time."
    WELL, I AGREE WITH THAT!!!

    e) "Bilal Bruce Morpeth, Embraced Islam in 2002,..."
    Don't complain to me about it!

    f) Bruce, you forgot to express even the slightest sorrow for the thousands of young gay men slaughtered(by the Shiites). Since converting to Islam, has your heart turned to stone? I guess so.

    Typical!

    ____________________________________________________

    "Stoning someone to death for Adultery is a mercy to a believer and an expiation of their sins."

    You are sick. VERY SICK. Please, Bruce, I beg of you!
    Steer clear of civilized people.

    ____________________________________________________

    "May Allah guide us."
    Please, Bruce, do not swear at me. Thanks.

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ James_May, I find a lie in that.

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ Abe Jones,
    Thank you, Abe, for the clarification.

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ Tom Rabbitt,
    I cannot answer for you your excellent questions.
    However, I do wish to point out one important error in your comment.

    "Religions are a philosophy,..."

    Actually, Tom, no religion is, nor ever has been, a philosophy.
    Religion is a scam.

  • 0zyxcba1

    @metalmaji,

    In case you did not notice, I used the term:
    "...American war on Iraq."

    Obviously I was out their demonstrating against the war.

    Were you demonstrating in protest of the murders that occurred because of the Danish cartoons. Bet you weren't! But then that's hardly to be expected. None of you guys were out there protesting against THAT, were you?!

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ metalmaji, you forget so quickly!

    When America committed yet another atrocity against the Muslim world by commencing with its illegal bombardment and subsequent invasion of the sovereign nation of Iraq, demonstrations ensued INSTANTLY!!!

    Wikipedia states that:

    "According to BBC News, between six and ten million people took part in protests in up to sixty countries over the weekend of the 15th and 16th; other estimates range from eight million to thirty million.

    "Some of the largest protests took place in Europe. The protest in Rome involved around three million people, and is listed in the 2004 Guinness Book of World Records as the largest anti-war rally in history. Madrid hosted the second largest rally with more than 1½ million people protesting the invasion of Iraq, whereas Mainland China was the only major region not to see any protests, but small demonstrations attended mainly by foreign students were seen later."

    That is just some of the protests in the series of protests against just one of the many United States atrocities committed against Muslims(just ONE series!). Other regions and countries in which protest occurred were in:

    Alpine countries
    Benelux
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Croatia
    Cyprus
    Czech Republic
    France
    Germany
    Greece
    Hungary
    Ireland
    Italy
    Malta
    Poland
    Portugal
    Russia
    Scandinavia
    Serbia
    Spain
    Turkey
    Ukraine
    United Kingdom:
    England(London)
    Scotland
    Wales
    Northern Ireland

    Americas:
    Canada
    United States(New York and other U.S. cities)
    Mexico
    South America(wherever America could not kill demonstrators!)

    Asia
    Middle East

    Africa:
    South Africa
    Tunisia

    Oceania:
    Fiji
    Australia
    New Zealand

    EVEN IN ANTARCTICA!!!

    In Holland, a boy's head was cut off after he had been shot in the back EIGHT TIMES. Why? He had published a cartoon depicting Mohammed as a bear.

    Where were your people then?!
    Well,...
    WHERE WERE THEY???

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ Bilal Bruce Morpeth,

    You are not, nor have you been, 'arguing' with me. Your responses have no logic whatever but are merely defensive in nature.

    Also, I would like to know from you whether you are saddened over the 4000 Muslim state sponsored executions of gay men in Iraq since 1979.

    Would you care to share your feelings?

    Do you have any feelings?

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ metalmaji,

    Were you and your family and Muslim neighbors and friends joining in with the HUGE protests by 'moderate' Muslims against the excesses of Islam when you all learned of the horrific shooting and subsequent beheading by Muslims of filmmaker Theo van Gogh for his slanderous exercise of his right to free speech in his own country of the Netherlands? When did your demonstration(s) in protest of Theo's murder take place? How many of your brother and sister Muslims were out there with you?

    Just asking.

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ Bilal Bruce Morpeth,
    "...submit yourselves to Him."

    Bruce, I have asked you once, and I am asking you again, please do not issue orders to me, alright?

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ Apm Mpa,
    "Iran is Iran, and Islam is Islam :)"

    How convenient.

    "...stoning is not mentioned in coran ! than please ! stop thinking Islam is what other do as crime ^^?"

    Apm, I do not believe I ever mentioned the Koran. Read my post again, please. I never mentioned the Koran. All I said is that women were being stoned to death in Iran.

    For some reason, Apm, which I fail to fathom, you seem to believe that if something is not in the Koran, it cannot happen.

    What a curious way to see the world.

  • metalmaji

    I never heard of this stories. I don't know if its true or not. I don't talk about the things I don't know about.

    I think you forgot how Americans and Israelis treat Muslims, torturing to death, etc...

    If you hate Muslims so much why are you on this page "Secrets of the Koran"??? This page is NOT about Muslims, but about Islam.

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ metalmaji,

    The story you read is an Islamic historical document, as you can see from the references. Naturally, nothing historical that has anything to do with any religion is reliable, so I have no idea whether the Muslims back then were lying, or not. The story was written, in part, by one of Mohammed's official biographers.

    @metalmaji, I, for one, have most certainly not forgotten the crimes my country has committed. How could I? My country continues to commit the very same crimes today, especially in the Middle East and in Afghanistan.

    I have taken part in many demonstrations in protest of the horrible crimes my country has committed, and continues to commit, against people as good as you undoubtedly are.

    I saw a video, just last week, where a poor 14 year old boy was being terrified, almost to the breaking point, by United States 'special agents'. It is hard for me to tell you how I cried. We protest. We write letter. We sign petitions. Nothing seems to make any difference. The torture continues.

    All I can say is that my family and my friends, and I, will never stop trying to do all we can to stop these crimes. Meanwhile, please know how much many of us love you. I am so sorry. Maybe someday soon there will be justice. How I long for that day.

    @metalmaji, I do not hate Muslims. I hate what Islam is doing to Muslims, especially in Iran.

    The Iranian government has executed 4,000 Muslim boys because they loved each other. They are dead now. Tomorrow there will be more, hung by the neck, until they are dead, right in front of their families. How can one not hate that?

    Also, I become extremely angry when Muslims at this site seem to be condoning such barbarous behavior, saying it's a 'cultural difference'. There is nothing 'cultural' about murder.

    I hope you can understand.

    Salaam.

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ metalmaji

    I thought you meant the story about Mohammed's killing of an old woman written by Mohammed's official Biographer.

    I now realize you meant the 'story' about the killings of cartoonists in Scandinavia and the murders all over the world of over 100 people by Muslims as a protest against the cartoons and the murder of the Dutch filmmaker, Theo, who was shot in the back 8 times before his head was chopped off in his home country of Holland.

    There is a documentary here that tells you something about it.
    I do not no where you live, but if it is in a Muslin country, maybe they do not want you to know these things.

    Anyhow, the documentary's name is:
    Bloody Cartoons
    #7 in the Religion section.

  • metalmaji

    Islam is not doing anything to anyone who is doing the right thing. But some people in the name or religion or not, attacks Islam, insults Islam.. I don't think you ever read the Quran from the start... You know, I'm a Muslim, and I have 5 Qurans (4 English translation and 1 in my language) and 1 Bible with me... I wish you would read the Quran once with an open mind. I'm not asking you to believe anything in it.

    I don't agree with so called Islam in Iran. They hate everyone except themselves. They worship through their Imaams. That hurt themselves. That is NOT Islam. That is NOT Islam. That is NOT Islam.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    Everything I have said I believe, Removing open adultery, pornography and deviance like homosexuality from the society are a mercy on the innocent.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    All your arguments have been heard before and countered successfully by people who are more sincere and better in character than me. My feelings, well when I was at the Mosque yesterday and the Imam said that no one can be guided or misguided except by the will of Allah and that we must strive our utmost to convey the message of Islam, I cried, so yes I am human, with feelings, thank you. I cry in my prayers to for people like you to be guided.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    I fear no one but Allah and if anyone tries to stand in the way of His message, they face their own ruin.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    Everybody submit yourselves to the only True Power Allah.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    I believe it says in those rules we can quote scripture, so sorry admin you are wrong:

    Quran 3:43 O Mary! "Submit yourself with obedience to your Lord (Allah, by worshipping none but Him Alone) and prostrate yourself, and Irka'i (bow down) along with Ar-Raki'un (those who bow down)."

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    Quran 3:20 (Yusuf Ali), "So if they dispute with thee, say: "I have submitted My whole self to Allah and so have those who follow me." And say to the People of the Book and to those who are unlearned: "Do ye (also) submit yourselves?" If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, Thy duty is to convey the Message; and in Allah.s sight are (all) His servants."

    Quran 36:17 (Mohsin Khan), ""And our duty is only to convey plainly (the Message)."

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    Sorry admin but, I am only trying to convey the message, our religion is not of compulsion. You said I could quote scripture and Allah tells us to submit to him. I only convey His message.

  • Guest

    This is one very interesting opinion!
    I totally see why you can declare Religion to be a philosophy. Philosophy IS a persuit of wisdom.

    To millions of people this pursuit requires a higher self to show the way. a GOD. A religious person looks at perfection as something unattainable but venerable. A religious person is forbidden to say "I am GOD". A religious person may believe in "superhuman Jesus", Allah or GOD the all mighty but never believe he/she may be God it self.

    To an atheist this pursuit remains in the physical realm, in the provable, explainable. Life is explained by the 5 senses. God doesn't exist and we are but a fart in the cosmos.

    As an energetic spiritual person. I have serious doubts that this reality exist or the one that i experience when i am asleep. The real me is somewhere between those two worlds.

    The awaken me functions in a tangible world, a world of money, scientists, wars, religious centers, shopping malls, the pursuit of the beginning or the end. Always going in either direction, not realizing only the middle again is irreal/real.
    The sleeping me is free like a magician, There are no limits to the expression of the IT living the dream. It is the pursuit of the pursuit for the pursuit of no end no beginning.

    Who am I? Am i GOd or not? I am the composite of the physical and the ethereal of my Self. What else can being be?

    the middle and the surrounding
    I live in a donut as a dough nut.
    That is the snake bitting it's own tail.
    az

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    Quran 3:43 O Mary! "Submit yourself with obedience to your Lord (Allah, by worshipping none but Him Alone) and prostrate yourself, and Irka'i (bow down) along with Ar-Raki'un (those who bow down)."

    All I read in your rules was not to convert people, well I can't do that only Allah is the holder of hearts. You said we could quote scripture, well I have done that and Allah say's submit to Him and Him alone, not me Allah says that.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    An expedition led by Abu Bakr As-Siddiq or Zaid bin Haritha was despatched to Wadi Al-Qura in Ramadan 6 Hijri after Fazara sept had made an attempt at the Prophet’s life. Following the morning prayer, the detachment was given orders to raid the enemy. Some of them were killed and others captured. Amongst the captives, were Umm Qirfa and her beautiful daughter, who was sent to Makkah as a ransom for the release of some Muslim prisoners there. Umm Qirfa’s attempts at the Prophet’s life recoiled on her, and the thirty horsemen she had gathered and sustained to implement her evil scheme were all killed.
    Saifur Rahman al-Mubarakpuri/ The Sealed Nectar: Page 152

    It has been narrated on the authority of Salama (b. al-Akwa') who said: We fought against the Fazara and Abu Bakr was the commander over us. He had been appointed by the Messenger of Allah. When we were only at an hour's distance from the water of the enemy, Abu Bakr ordered us to attack. We made a halt during the last part of the night to rest and then we attacked from all sides and reached their watering-place where a battle was fought. Some of the enemies were killed and some were taken prisoners. I saw a group of persons that consisted of women and children. I was afraid lest they should reach the mountain before me, so I shot an arrow between them and the mountain. When they saw the arrow, they stopped. So I brought them, driving them along. Among them was a woman from Banu Fazara. She was wearing a leather coat. With her was her daughter who was one of the prettiest girls in Arabia. I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize. So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah met me in the street and said: Give me that girl, O Salama. I said: Messenger of Allah, she has fascinated me. I had not yet disrobed her. When on the next day, the Messenger of Allah again met me in the street, he said: O Salama, give me that girl, may God bless your father. I said: She is for you. Messenger of Allah! By Allah, I have not yet disrobed her. The Messenger of Allah sent her to the people of Mecca, and surrendered her as ransom for a number of Muslims who had been kept as prisoners at Mecca.
    Sahih Muslim 19:4345

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    That is Sahih Muslim I quoted, do you know it?

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    The True Story in Full: Here I give the full account as to what actually happened. Reading the accounts of the event given in both Sirat Ibn Hisham and Tabaqat Ibn S’ad will help us understand better. 1- Zaid bin Harith (RA) went on a trading journey to Syria and with him was the merchandise for Companions of the Prophet (PBUH). While he was near Wadi'l Qura' he encountered people from the Tribe of Badr of Fazara, whose leader was Umm Qirfa. They attacked him and his companions and snatched all they had of merchandise. 2- Some of his fellows were killed and he himself was carried wounded from the field. Zaid vowed that he would not wash his head for ritual purity (i.e. he vowed to abstain from sexual intercourse) until he fought the people of Fazara. 3- When he recovered from his wounds the Holy Prophet (PBUH) sent him to punish the treacherous people and ordered them to move by the night and rest by the day as a stratagem. 4- Zaid went and fought the Fazara in Wadi'l Qura, killed some of them. Qais bin Musahhar killed Mas'ada bin Hakama. Umm Qirfa, her daughter and Abdullah bin Mas'ada were taken as prisoners. Zaid ordered Qais bin Musahhar to kill Umm Qirfa and Qais killed her by putting a rope in her two legs, tying it to two camels and driving them in opposite directions until she was killed, ripped apart. (Tabaqaat Ibn Sa'd 2/90 & Sirat Ibn Hisham 2/617) In Sirat Halbiyya, another source they cite on this issue, it is clearly stated; “Zaid bin Harith went on a trading expedition towards Syria and with him was the merchandise for the Companions of the Holy Prophet (PBUH). While he was near Wadi?l Qura he met a party from the Tribe of Fazara of Banu Badr. They attacked him and his companions and snatched all that was with them (of merchandize).” (Sirat Halabiyya 2/192) 5- Further we learn that Umm Qirfa in her capacity of being the tribal leader plotted to harm the Holy Prophet (PBUH) in person (Ar-Raheeq al-Makhtum p.457). In Sirat Halabiyya it is stated that; “Zaid bin Harith ordered the killing of Umm Qirfa for she used to revile the Prophet, on whom be peace and blessings of Allah, and because she had prepared thirty riders from amongst he children and grand children and had asked them to attack Medina and kill Muhammad (PBUH).” (Sirat Halabaiyya 3/251)

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    Facts and the Lies! Now this clarifies certain points.

    1- It was the Tribe of Fazara, which was headed by Umm Qirfa, who first attacked Muslims who were merely on trading journey. 2- They killed Muslims and took their merchandise. 3- Muslims made a counter attack to punish the trigger-happy tribe. 4- There is no authentic report whether Holy Prophet (PBUH) ordered her killing specifically. Infact it was Zaid bin Harith (RA) who ordered her killing as she was, being the leader of the tribe, responsible for all that happened. And we just read Zaid himself had seen their aggression and merely survived it. 5- Her killing was perfectly justified as she led her tribe to commit violence against Muslims. She was no innocent a woman and was rather a hostile enemy. 6- The manner she was killed was not ordained by the Prophet (PBUH) but was carried on by the people who had undergone the terror practiced by her men. It was a reaction by such people; nevertheless it goes against the mannerism taught by Islam. And though such a behavior is deplorable, it is Umm Qirfa herself who is to be held responsible for such a reaction. 7- No authentic report makes any mention of her head being brought to the Prophet (PBUH) and then paraded in the streets of Medina. This is a myth and a lie! The books these slanderers produce as a reference are no authority as they are not written by trustworthy people and no authentic report in any of the classical books gives even a hint to such a happening. The Daughter of Umm Qirfa: 8- Now coming to the daughter of Umm Qirfa. There are two reports and these liars refer to both of them. According to Sahih Muslim, she was given to Salama bin al-Akwa’ and then Holy Prophet (PBUH) took her from Salama and she was given as a ransom for Muslim captives in Makkah. While according to Sirat Ibn Hisham etc she was taken from Salama and then given to Hazn bin Abu Wahb and later bore him a son, Abdul Rahman. 9. She was not raped: According to Sahih Muslim she was first given to Salama (RA) and he himself reports: “…we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) met me in the street and said: „Give me that girl, O Salama!? I said: „Messenger of Allah, she has fascinated me. I had not yet disrobed her.? The next day, the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) again met me in the street, he said: „O Salama, give me that girl, May God bless your father.? I said: „She is for you. Messenger of Allah! By Allah! I have not yet disrobed her.? The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) sent her to the people of Makkah, and surrendered her as ransom for a number of Muslims who had been kept as prisoners at Makkah.” (Sahih Muslim, Hadith 3299) Now one can observe that Salama (RA) said that he had not disrobed her when they reached Medina and again when the Holy Prophet (PBUH) met him in the street he told that he had not disrobed her. And even the next day, after the night having passed, when he was again asked for the girl, he testified that

    he had yet not disrobed her though she fascinated him. This is enough proof that Salama didn’t forcefully lay with her as it was against the teachings of Islam. Islam does not allow a man to forcefully have sexual intercourse with his slave woman, otherwise no could stop Salama from sleeping with a slave girl who fascinated him. And if she later gave birth bore Hazn bin Abu Wahb (RA) a son then it must have been by her own consent. We have seen the conduct of pious companion Salama (RA) and there is no reason to say that another pious companion Hazn (RA) would have violated the Islamic injunction and forced the daughter of Umm Qirfa into the intimate relation.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    What is your problem you don't have to live by Shariah, is it because we submit to the One True Allah.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    Allah tell's people that they must submit to Him, their Creator, not me, I just convey the message. Don't shoot the messengers!

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    Yes but make sure to tell people that you're just trying to "convey" the message written in some religious book. Otherwise we might think you're trying to convert us to believe in a supernatural deity that we have to fear and submit to.

  • Bilal Bruce Morpeth

    My question is "If a lion was coming to attack you, would you fear it?", A strong believer would not fear that lion, knowing that it could only harm you if it was by Allah's will. That is the difference between you and me.

  • remon12

    islam is a relegion of peace ??? how is that ?? ok so why any terriorist attack in the whole world you will find only muslime people did it ... any body want to see what is islam just google and see christian coptic in egypt >> muslim killed christian in egypt they kidnap their womens they destroy the church and burned it .... the government try to open church in egypt and they couldnot because of muslim they said that they dont need any churches ..
    islam means hate other people who dont beliefe in it .. <<>>>they just enter any country as a minority then become the majority because they can marry five hundred girls like this and after native people of the country will not find the place in there countries .. like exactly what happend in egypt . egypt before it was a christian country now it is a muslim country and the christian in egypt will disappear soon .

  • Eniki520

    too bad islam is an off shoot of Christianity which its self is an off shoot of Judaism. they are all the same basic religion the only differences being jews dont believe in jesus or muhammed and islam is the only one who believes in muhammad. they all preach fundamentally the same things. and Christians have a history of terrorism as well( killing 90 of the natives of america, forcing the native people of the countries to convert or be murder tortured to death. the Spanish Inquisition, Portuguese Inquisition, Roman Inquisition, Goa Inquisition, the crusades, slavery of africans and natives. in fact basically everything in the history of Christianity is them killing or oppressing nonbelievers/ heretics. so i dont really see a difference. even today their are fundamentalist christians killing abortion doctors in america. Timothy McVeigh (of the Oklahoma City Bombing) was a roman catholic, hitler was a Christian.

  • Eniki520

    cuz only islam mistreats people"? ahahahahahahah to bad christians have way more blood on their hands,i.e. the crusades, the many Inquisition, the crusades, genocides in america, and africa. christianity was even used to justify slavery in america.

  • Eniki520

    500 years ago? is that why most American Christians dont want sex-ed to be in school? they like condoms or abortions? the average American wont vote for someone who is not a christian. most American Christians are Creationists. Look at the justified violence done in the name of america they framed the war on terror as a new crusade implying a religious aspect to the wars we are still in.

  • Eniki520

    to this very day mosques get vandalized and Muslims are discriminated against and persecuted in America. i hear statements from chrstians just as ignorant and hate filled and disgusting as anything Muslims say. after 9/11 sikhs were attacked because ignorant american mistook them for muslims. france passed anti hijab laws. discrimination and mistreatment of others isnt only an islamic problem. and saying it is is ridiculous.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001825191848 James del Valle

    you are a joker Muslims get treated way better in the west than non Muslims get treated in the middle east, what do you think would happen to a minority western christian community in the middle east if christian fundamentalists had flown a couple of airplanes into mecca holy sites, I think you can see what I'm saying, nothing has happened to Muslims in the west which was not did in the name of preventing further terrorist attacks, you are a fool who has been sucked in by Islam because you think they are being oppressed all over the world when the reality is they are getting well respected in the circumstances after all what has Israel got to do with the west. Israel is the reason there is terrorism and it wont go away until Israel does, no muslim is on our side because they think we support israel because we dont oppose them enough, they dont oppose terrorists so we have a stalemate and that is reality.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001825191848 James del Valle

    old news but mostly it was because they disriminated against people because they didnt think they were equal human beings because they had the culture of savages. It does help to put things into context, it might have been wrong but maybe it was a natural reaction and had nothing to do with christianity which is about peace if you ignore the old testement which is not taken literally like the Koran is, Islam cannot claim to be a peaceful religion although it does make that false claim often.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001825191848 James del Valle

    its because you are dangerous in your ideas and in your belief.

  • Eniki520

    @James del Valle
    ahahahah you sound pretty eye for a eye to me, the opposite of what Jesus preached. For someone so opposed to the way they act with statements like "no muslim is on our side" you sound very similar to them. also when you lie and say things like "they dont oppose terrorists so we have a stalemate and that is reality." that's just ridiculous they don't support it either since their are billions of Muslims and the terrorist only number a few thousand world wide. Ive never meet a Muslim that support the actions of terrorists in my life. In fact its the exact opposite. if they were all terrorists as you imply we would be under daily attack here in the usa, which obviously isnt happening.

  • Eniki520

    @James del Valle
    ahahahahahahahahahaha that's the stupidest answer i have ever heard.you sound like the extremist justifying terrorists actions that you claim to hate.

  • Guest

    The present world condition is nothing but a cactus plant with multiple thorns protruding from all sides. People if you see today it is the "muslim world" especially the middle-east part wherein you see the colonial power (whether u call it modern day crusade or call it just the hunger of humans for power & wealth) are looting and tearing it apart and unfortunately you have muslims staying in this region (if it was majority christians probably everyone especially the media would have labeled them Christian Jihad or Crusade..funny right how tables are turned in this world) and the muslims who are staying in this region have no option but to fight...it is altogether a different dimensional view what means they adopt(currently the Gorilla warfare...terror attack) however these are things which we are "Meant or Suppose to know and understand" what the reality might be is these terrorist might be individuals who are used because of their bad circumstances and therefore easy to get them motivated to do any such acts. Also it might be possible that Al-Qeeda or what ever sh*T kind of organization that have sprung up are actually MNC sort of Brand names that are popular & have high sale value & hence all terrorist acts are sold by these brands...wherein reality it might be the case of individuals fights against a global power...which ofcourse will look like a terror(as innocent people get killed) and indeed they are terror attack because these individuals have no unity, no government, no soverignity (who can voice their concerns) and they live in absolute Anarchy, an Anarchy situation that has been perfectly manufactured & I must say kind of perfected. In all this the bottom line is that we people whether whatever religion or sect we subscribe to are fighting against each other whether physically or verbally to just set to see that we can finally see a day when one of us will wear the noose of guilt...but I want to know whats next...how many of us will continue to do this to each other...IS IT UNTIL WE ARE JUST LEFT WITH ONE PERSON WHO IS ALL POWERFUL LEFT IN THIS WORLD - AND THE PARADOX IS WHAT RIGHT WILL THAT ONE PERSON WILL HAVE TO CLAIM AT THAT POINT THAT HE/SHE OR THEIR ORGANIZATION IS RIGHT!
    And undoubtedly Islam has stood against this sort of system & Insha Allah will stand against this sort of system & abolish them and spread peace. Because to kill a system you need a system and Islam is the right system because the very foundation of Islam shun all difference between human beings and bring them all to one platform of understanding...that provides that very sought after Launch Pad for a better Human Being...the Super Man of Neitsche, the Type 3 kind of Human Being suggested by a Physicist Dr.Kaku and numerous other people who have actually en-visioned the true future of Mankind...
    But today's situation is pathetic, I pray to Allah he uplift us from this state..give us strength to follow his Words...

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1684710358 Khalid Tumah

    Are they terrorist if they start fire in their own contry? america invaded irag/iran. jews invaded palestine. Dont talk s*** man. the 9/11 was the illuminati. can you show me a terrorist attack? no 9/11. evryone knows it was the illuminati.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shah-Gee/1086610884 Shah Gee

    Cristians in Pakistan Hates west More then Muslims. n don't talk about Religion u people don`t even knew how to treat Black a century ago and talking Sh*t about others, Don`t spread hate plz know your history first

  • http://twitter.com/LadyJJaJJa LadyJJaJJa

    My man, this "submission to the will of god" doesn't exist for you are still a sinner.Your prayers doesn't change you , you only believe it does.Your religion might change your acts but it can never change who you are*sinner*.Oh yes, you can't blame your sinful acts or thoughts on the "devil". Evil is your free will.If you see God as perfect ,you can't put sins in levels and measure them; they are all the same in the eyes of god.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001825191848 James del Valle

    forget history, the past has got no relevance in the present, evil must be destroyed and there cant be any tears for wicked men

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YS4NSMINZLID44BUQJ7S7B6BH4 Tommy

    Your insane! why is it that muslims like yourself ram this crap down peoples necks! Why does your friend Allah see the need for you to go round telling people to "submit" I don't belong to your faith or any other. Religious people always see themselves as superior to others when in reality they are the weak, they read a book and think God come to earth with a pen. When are you and other religious nut jobs going to shut up and stop spreading this crap!

  • http://www.facebook.com/zakeer.alom Zakeer Alom

    i liked how the documentary ended.with the message of how people can use the interpretation to justify horrific evil and violance in the world but also can be used to incite peace and love. don't think it was pro islam propaganda at all, i enjoyed about islam from a non muslim perspective and with the plus side of not being preached at as you do with islamic perspectives!

  • http://twitter.com/fahim_choudhury Fahim Choudhury

    People need to open their eyes to Islam. As said in the Qu'ran (Koran) those disbelievers that say "we believe in Allah" during the end of the world will surly go to hell. Start believing now before its too late. Its all about faith. Some people will say "spare me the bullshit" and "religion is a lie created by people". These people will burn in hell if they do not seek forgiveness for their evil and sinful ways.

    Sinning comes in all forms, i like to use being gay as an example. Its a choice, not natural. Because if you are saying its natural and someone was born gay then a gambler, alcoholic or thief is born this way. NO, not true, environmental factors will always affect a persons mind. Also there is no such thing as a "gay gene", this notion is incomprehensible, because if you are saying this, then how can this gene be passed down? And just like an ex-gambler, ex-alcoholic you can get an ex-gay.

  • learningdaily

    The Quran explains the big bang theory

    The Quran explains embryonic development

    The Quran explains the movements of the planets ( both solar and galactic )

    The Quran explains the movement and tendencies of our galaxy

    The Quran explains the layers of our atmosphere

    The Quran explains the role of mountains in holding land together

    The Quran explains the rotation of the sun

    The Quran explains the reflected moon light

    The Quran explains the shape of the earth.

    Above are just some of the things I realize not many people know about the Quran, not my attempt at any proof / disproof

    before you pass judgement on a religion as if you are above and beyond it, actual read it. We will never all agree on what / if religion is good or bad, but at least let us not fly with our egos. therefore we should all agree on freedom of worship.

    Let us make sure we defend the rights of those here who do not agree with us, if not for their sake, for the sake of our freedom to disagree with them.

    respect and love for all, as Islam has taught me.

  • princess_sajah

    see this is a problem u think wat u see is wat islam teachers muslims dats wrong this muslims (especially in the west) have been put in pain by the americans israilies....... and dats why they show there hate when they see forigns from the countries thats gone against them threw war, but islam teachers us to love one another no matter who they are. and to fight for jihad is to only fight wen ur in da war not on a street were its calm ok.

  • William Call

    Religion is man made....to not realize this is distortion of the mind....it is a form of mental illness....no human can to this day know what created everything...and anyone claiming they can is full of shit....no one is fooled all of the time....

  • William Call

    really...arabs had slaves ...hate to ruin your day

  • 0zyxcba1

    @ Shah Gee
    No religion whatsoever means a single, complete class of evil, gone from the face of the earth!

    Eradicating Small Pox from the face of the Earth did not eradicate disease from the face of the Earth. But at least one horrific disease is gone forever.

    Let's get rid Religion?all religion!

    Religion = Blood

    0z

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E6BWIOOBL3TNEGYEBUWKCODYD4 Jonathan

    One can always read into texts these sorts of claims. Indeed, the Hindu texts (you know, the texts of those horrible and ignorant infidels that you guys supposedly talk peacefully about but the Koran does not) are far superior when it comes to eliciting philosophical views congruent with modern science as many, many scientists have said. In any case, the proof that you are wrong about these teachings being inherently part of the Koran is the fact that Muslims learned these things accurately only after western science told them. Afterwards, they could say, "Oh, look how the Koran said this all along!" Geesh! Don't any of you people understand how literature/language works? On the other hand, the Gita explicity says that reality as we know it is purely illusory and that, at base, all is one. Now, THAT is crystal clear and thoroughly in keeping with contemporary science! And besides, the Koran has the literary quality of toilet paper when compared to the sacred texts of Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Taoism, Judaism, and Christianity. In fact, the second proof that you are wrong is that, of all these great religious texts, the Koran is most backward in theology, ethics, philosophy, and politics. Of course, I wouldn't expect a Middle Easterner or African to know the difference. But anyone else? Dare to compare!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E6BWIOOBL3TNEGYEBUWKCODYD4 Jonathan

    Christians in Pakistan are part of an ignorant culture....oh yeah, it's Islamic!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E6BWIOOBL3TNEGYEBUWKCODYD4 Jonathan

    There is no illuminati, ignoramus. Besides, the proof that terrorism isn't because of the USA is this....Islamic terrorism in the Philippines, India, Indonesia, Russia, China, throughout Africa, Spain, England, Canada. In short, put Muslims somewhere and they'll feel they gotta bomb somebody because no one wants to respect their superstition, and especially their claims on the world. Finally, only the Muslims have stooped so low. Many people have been oppressed and even within the USA. But no one is so willing to kill the innocent as Muslims. The facts are what they are. Like it or not.

  • pigeonking

    bin laden doesn't exist!!!! And to put him in a documentary about the quran is insulting!! he should be in a US political documentary under employees!!!! He is totally not relevant to this documentary!!! IDIOTS!!!!!!

  • pigeonking

    bin ladden belongs in a US political documentary under employees!!!! He is totally not relevant to this documentary!!! how silly, before religion, there was chaos, all law come from religion, without reliigion, we have chaos, satanism and athesium is very fashionable these days, do what you want with your free will, dont insult other peoples otherwise you outline yourself as being pathetic, increase the peace all

  • William Call

    Man invented religion....it was a man who wrote down religious texts......no human being has ever proven any God of any kind ever....name a human who can prove it....show me empirical proof...not hearsay....not old books...just the proof please...and it is interesting you saying " convert now before it's too late"....WHAT is THAT?
    almost like a veiled threat just because others dont hold your view!! where is your conscience?

  • Fuad Becic

    Your whole argument is predicated on the assumption that 'religion is peaceful'. It really isn't. Many wars, and many people have died in the name of their religion.

    As for the 'chaos' you refer to being abundant before religions arose. That seems to say that man was not as intelligent back then as he was in the modern era. Religion had nothing to do with the advancement of modern man... in fact they suppressed and killed geniuses such as Galileo and Socrates.

    And lets not mention the church's power over their people. So much so, that if you were to speak out against the church or not pay their dues, you were excommunicated.

    I'm not sure where you get your nonsensical ideas from. But I would really like to see some credible sources.

  • ashwinnair

    If your god is going to punish people for not believing in him, he should at least have the courtesy to come before every human when he/she becomes an adult and tell him what his expectation on that human being is. Then he can start watching and judging that person and punish or reward him when he dies. Instead we are made to believe that he appeared before someone 1400 years back in a cave and told him stuff which he passed on to someone else, who wrote it down and humans from that time on is supposed to believe and if you don't then you will be punished. I think you need to have a sh*t load of faith to believe in this cr*p.

  • http://www.facebook.com/fha23 Faruk Hadji Ali

    You know what is the root of all these ideas regarding muslims as terrorists?? JOURNALISM... most journalists lack responsible journalism.. the MEDIA started all these "Muslim a.k.a Terrorist" propagandas..
    you can see the evidence when you watch or read news.. when someone rob a store and it happens to be he is a muslim, the headlines will be like this "Muslim caught for robbery" but if he is a christian, jew, hindu or etc. the headlines will be "Man caught for robbery" . . with this kind of information feed by media to the public, what do u expect of public reaction against Islam.. the media makes the public ignorant of islam..
    the ironic of this 'terrorist branding' is when an Iraqi bomb an American military truck in Iraq, the American will spread the news with "MUSLIM terrorist bomb military truck!" How can an Iraqi be a "TERRORIST of his own country?" when at first place it is the Americans who are strangers in his homeland? Why do media need to place a "MUSLIM' word when in fact the main reason of bombing of that person is not directly related to religion. he is just fighting for his freedom against this 'foreign invasion'..
    Is this responsible journalism? the media should be much more responsible in delivering unbiased and accurate information to the public??

  • medo0007

    "the Koran has the literary quality of toilet paper when compared to the sacred texts of Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Taoism, Judaism, and Christianity."

    Just how many languages do you speak?!

    "In fact, the second proof that you are wrong is that, of all these great religious texts, the Koran is most backward in theology, ethics, philosophy, and politics."

    Just how many texts did you read?!

    "Of course, I wouldn't expect a Middle Easterner or African to know the difference. But anyone else? Dare to compare!"

    White Power !!!
    (even though most Muslims aren't Middle Easterner or African)

  • Stephan Verheyen

    One thing I must say about True Islam is that most of the people who follow it truly do follow it. Apart from extremists and every religion has them. You will not find many Chistians following every commandment in the bible. It also is a beautiful culture. (Again apart from the crazy people that all religions have) Great program!

  • ocean songs

    Ahhh...finally someone who gets it! Thank you, brother! Peace to you and to all beings!

  • HumanFirst

    Make no mistake the eyes of the world are wide open to islam and it is payback time for the slaughter of mankind throughout its history. What makes you think infidels will say they believe in allah when the world end? You people respect no other faith and the days are gone when your religion forcefully converted, raped, killed, ruled others etc simply because they were of a different faith and you talk of disbelievers committing sins. How do you explain muslim gays/lesbians (and yes there are plenty out there) and those that drink alcohol, gamble and so on. The arab world uprising is no coincidence so sit back and enjoy the bumpy ride. Make amends, be humans, learn to respect other before the world moves on from oil as all efforts will be seen as too little too late after that. Good luck and you will need it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/em.kay1 Mohammed Bin Khalid

    islam is a very credible source if u seek peace in modern era ;)

  • hamaid khan

    Dear Fuad, I agree with you that religion has been responsible for many wars and crimes in this world but before we jump into conclusion, we need to look into the reason behind it. Afghan war and Iraq war were not religious war even thoush millions of inncocent lost there lives, more from eastern side. Moreover, we know how bad history we have about communist under the rules of Mao, stalin, lenin etc. Prophets of GOD never taught anyone to fight and kill innocent being but encouraged people to worship the GOD alone but it is the people later after the prophets death uses religion for personal political gains. When did moses fought against inncoent people, when did jesus fought against anyone. Muhammad fought in defence only to protect his community, prophet noah, lut, solomon, david, they only encouraged people to worship GOD alone. Yes some wars have taken place but we need to know the reason before yelling out anger on the religion. World war I & II were due to political reason. Christians changed there book and fought war against inncoent to convert them into there religion and today we put the blame on innocent Jesus who never fought in his life. There is no compulsion in religion, you do whatever you like with no offence. May GOD guide you my brother

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CJBUQ6XX5DJQABHTMGWYRJG5WA Dario

    Dude think you're mixing up Christianity with the muslim religion, Muslims as a doctrine do respect other faiths, mainly Judaism and Christianity, they believe they are the same just that mohammed came after jesus. It was the chrisitians that slaughtered people of other faiths not the muslims, or have you forgotten the inquisitions and how faith was taken to the americas? learn your history a little. And before you ask I'm and Athiest. blaming one religion for wrongs it mainly didn't do doesn't help your cause.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CJBUQ6XX5DJQABHTMGWYRJG5WA Dario

    Lol did you say that mountains hold land together? Looool epic fail there!!!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CJBUQ6XX5DJQABHTMGWYRJG5WA Dario

    also you can get an ex-muslim. ah no your book says to kill him/her sounds peaceful to me.....

  • http://www.topdocumentaryfilms.com Epicurus

    The Quran explains the big bang theory....but its wrong

    The Quran explains embryonic development....but its wrong

    The Quran explains the movements of the planets ( both solar and galactic )....but its wrong

    The Quran explains the movement and tendencies of our galaxy....but its wrong

    The Quran explains the layers of our atmosphere....but its wrong

    The Quran explains the role of mountains in holding land together....but its wrong....so very very wrong

    The Quran explains the rotation of the sun....but its wrong

    The Quran explains the reflected moon light....but its wrong

    The Quran explains the shape of the earth.....but its wrong

    all of these are based on later interpretations that were added AFTER the information was already known in science.

  • http://www.facebook.com/k00lM0n3 Kool Moe

    SO WHAT IS THE TRUTH

  • http://www.topdocumentaryfilms.com Epicurus

    the truth about what?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Iram-Syed/100003006632052 Iram Syed

    The fact is Qur'an was written down in Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him's life. The people who wrote it down are called Kaatbeen-e Wahi. They are believed to be six and Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him gave them news of paradise in his life for this noble work. Prophet peace and blessings be upon him used to speak to them and they would write it down. Their names can be found in many Islamic history books and also in Hadith(sayings of prophet peace and blessings be upon him). There were Quranic scriptures already existed at the time of Prophet's death thats why caliph Usman ordered burning all other except the one with his daughter and Prophet peace and blessings be upon him's wife Hafsa may Allah be pleased with her.
    There is no contradiction in the Holy Qur'an and its very easy for a lay man to understand it. As Allah says in Qur'an "and we made it easy for you to understand". If you don't believe me read it yourself you ll know. Though its in Arabic but translations are available in all languages of the world. You can easily find online.
    Many things being said in this documentary about Qur'an are very very wrong. My sincere advice to all my brothers and sisters in humanity is please don't believe what others say. God has given you wisdom, read it yourself and decide for yourself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Iram-Syed/100003006632052 Iram Syed

    Brother if you don't understand something you have no right to pass any comment on that. Read Qur'an yourself. its available for everyone to read in any language. Read it and decide for yourself. You have every right to disagree but criticizing without knowledge is not fair.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Iram-Syed/100003006632052 Iram Syed

    i disagree, its not religion but human greed for power and total control is responsible for wars.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Iram-Syed/100003006632052 Iram Syed

    read it before you say anything..u r living in the darkness of ignorance ...not ur fault...u know whats being told to u...has not the time come u find out for urself? use ur wisdom find out what's the truth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Iram-Syed/100003006632052 Iram Syed

    Read Qur'an. it will give u all ur answers. and just to correct you He did not appear before any one 1400 yeas ago. instead it was the angel Gabriel who came to the Prophet(PBUH).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Iram-Syed/100003006632052 Iram Syed

    what is the fault of religion if some people back in time used it to suppress others and benefit themselves? its not religion its people responsible for using it in such a way. search for yourself. search the truth. if u really want to find u ll find it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Iram-Syed/100003006632052 Iram Syed

    why not start searching reading from "old books". who knows u find a clue...

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Iram-Syed/100003006632052 Iram Syed

    yes they are idiots..but this world is full of idiots. we don't have to act idiotically in order to respond them...instead respond wisely as our Qur'an teaches us. peace be onto you.

  • Guest

    Why Iram, should I need to read the Qur'an (which is worth reading), when you seem to dictate to me what the Qur'an should mean to me before I read it.

    Is that not between Allah and I?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Iram-Syed/100003006632052 Iram Syed

    this documentary is heart breaking. its full of lies about Qur'an and Islam... and they are doing it very very purposefully...my brothers and sisters believe yourself and your own wisdom instead of believing what's being said about Islam. do you own research. Read Qur'an and study Islam and decide yourself. Peace be onto you.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @Iram Syed,

    You say, yes they are idiots... and then, but this world is full of idiots... also u r living in the darkness of ignorance...

    Don't you think you've responded unwisely (contrary to what supposedly Qur'an teaches you) by confirming that they're idiots and that the world is full of idiots, also that they're living in the darkness of ignorance...

  • http://www.topdocumentaryfilms.com Epicurus

    i have read it. so i have knowledge and have grounds to criticize it.

  • Mohammed Tariq

    you have not understood the HOLY BOOK

  • http://www.topdocumentaryfilms.com Epicurus

    yes i have. you have not understood the bhagavad gita

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    “And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Surah like thereunto;
    and call your witnesses or helpers (if there are any) besides Allah,
    if your (doubts) are true. “But if ye cannot –and of a surety you cannot –then fear the Fire whose fuel is Men and Stones –which is prepared for those who reject Faith.” 2:23:24

    If only could you beat this simple challenge.

    But if you cant, and im sure you wount, it will be prove of your own ignorance and foolishness.
    Forget about disproving Quran's any statement, as you are not able to do not any man today or in coming future.

    Dr. Kieth Moor accepted the idea of Embryology of the Quran.

    According to the famous physicist and Nobel Prize winner, Albert Einstein, “Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.”

    You may be an Atheist, Agnostic, or whatever, dont think for even one single second that you go on and talk nonsense about Quran or other religious books, as you may not comprihend.

    “Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth
    were joined together (as one unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder?” 21:30

    This surah explains the Big Bang theory, where and what exactly do you find incorrect? What is the source of this information in the Quran?

    “Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night?” 31:29

    Now do you understand the surah above? Prove it wrong.

    “He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions):
    He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night.”
    39:5

    “And the earth, moreover, hath He made egg shaped.” 79:30

    Have a good laugh now, egg shape earth, as i guess you are a poor linguistic. Now learn the meaning of the word which means or refer to egg in Arabic in this verse.

    “It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: All (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course.” 21:33

    Prove it wrong.

    “Blessed is He Who made Constellations in the skies,
    and placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light.” 25:61

    As i mention before, you may not understand these verse and surahs as you have set your mind which does not give enough room for a new idea. Well, it is ok to me, it is your own way of seeing things and understanding it. As we all have our own way but some of us accept the logic and sense with open arm and some stay stingy for the rest of there life.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @911_was_an_Inside_Job,

    Yes we heard that story before. Quran had the scientific answers way before the science proved them right.

    Are you for real? You point out several verses and you expect someone to prove you wrong or right. It is the other way around. You prove for example that the verse about the Day and Night is in fact an explanation of the Big Bang theory.

    Now have you read the Bible, or the Bhagavad Gita, or the Dhammapada? Read them. If you already have read them, you obviously didn't understand them.

    Do you get the point? Every religion has a book that describes the origins of the world (each book in a different way) and sprinkles some moral codes amongst the justification of war, slavery, murder, sexism, pedophilia etc.

    Your comment is an insult to the countless of hours of dedicated work done by thousands of scientists across the globe.

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    Hello Vlatko,

    well, i just read your comment and im not surprised to your reaction on it. I answered some one who was also acting in the same way as you are right now, you are trying to sound smart and all knowing and it is you who is comparing books not me.

    "You prove for example that the verse about the Day and Night is in fact an explanation of the Big Bang theory."

    The verse which gives us the glimps or sign of the Big Bang theory is not the one you are talking about, so read carefully what and where have i posted the verse which deals with the perticular subject.
    Its 21:30 which talks about or gives us a hint of the BB theory, it is clear to me coz i know my book, it is clear to many Muslims non Muslims who know how to understand a verse and its context.

    Quran has the answer of many question, and also the question which science has known today. I dont need to put those things here once again as you are a cleaver person, you are defenetely aable to research yourselve.

    "Your comment is an insult to the countless of hours of dedicated work done by thousands of scientists across the globe."

    My comment can never be an Insult to any one, living or dead. I am not comparing Quran with Gita or Bible.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @911_was_an_Inside_Job,

    If you know your book, that is good, keep it for yourself. No one is taking that away from you. But please don't try to put it under our noses, as a perfect or scientifically accurate. Many of us have already read it, amongst almost all other scriptures like: the Bible, Tripi?aka, Guru Granth Sahib, Ägams, Bhagavad Gita, Dhammapada, The Talmud, etc... etc...

    That is what I call an open mind. I bet you'll never dare to read them. You allow yourself to be limited to only one book.

    And yes, your comment is an insult, but you can't see it. Let me open up your eyes a little bit: it will be prove of your own ignorance and foolishness. You've just named a living man an ignorant and fool. I also bet your book is not guiding you to behave like that.

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    Im not here to go on this useless discussion, and im not the one who is puting Quran under any ones nose. I dont want you to believe in it at the seme time i would not allow anyone to insult it. I have read Bible, the new the old both, Gita and ramayana i grew with. So here you see who is open minded and who is not, who is assuming things who is not. I, in my entire life never ask anyone to believe in what i believe, nor i go and insult anyones believe. On the other hand you are coming out loud and claming that Quran contains lies, then you must also point them out so we all can see it. But as i can see you are simply unable to do so which means you are the one who is not telling the truth, you are one who is just saying thnigs you dont know yourself.
    Open your eyes and try to get rid of the web of prejudice for a perticular person or comunity. Im not going and posting bible talks about this and that, coz if i want to do it i would find the way to do it too. Im not going out and claiming that Veda's and Gitas contains statements which are this or that. You are doing it so why dont you grow up?
    Once again my posts are not here to insult any one rather to justify or to explain things. Im sure you would find so many things in the Quran which does not make sense to you, but does that make you the person to judge it coz you failed to understand it? No, it does not.

    I have read books of many varieties, you dont know about it, yet you assumed me as a Not Open Minded Person. Does reading varieties of books makes you open minded? Thats the most illogical argument i have ever heard. Being open minded got nothing to do to with reading gita, ramyana, quran or bible, it has to do with understanding, being patience with the people around you, leaving the prejudice behind, to be impartial, to be just, to be honest to yourself and to others, to treat people fairly. These are some of the quality of open minded people.
    I hope you are not gonna delet or block my account from your site, i really enjoy the docs and i really enjoy your work. Thanks a lot for leting me be here.
    Take care

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    Why do you think i have not been told all those you wrote? And what makes you think that those one line or one verse are not capable of giving human a clear sign? Why do you think Nature or God has given us the brain?

    Your argue is baseless and based on personal grudge, as would love to call me a No Open Minded Person however i have already proven you wrong on last occasion. I do not need to abandon my religion nor do i need any other belief to make me feel the value of my life and its purpose. Im well aware of it and do my best to stay awy from people who are indeed not So Open Minded like you.

    You are just like one of those people who thinks that they have created themseves, and there is no other creater. So there is news for you Vlatko, you can keep believing in whatever you believe. Im not asking or challenging your faith what ever you may have, all im doing is trying to reason with such ideas of assuming where one go beyong ignorance and arrogance and start believing that every thing start by itself. We are free to believe what ever we like to, we have freedom of speech too but whre do you draw the line where freespeech does not become freedom to insult?

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @911_was_an_Inside_Job,

    You didn't tackle anything I've said.

    Why these supposed scientific miracles in the Qu'ran are very recent phenomenon, not known before the 1970s?

    ...i have already proven you wrong on last occasion.

    No you didn't. You only think so.

    You are just like one of those people who thinks that they have created themseves, and there is no other creater

    No who said that? I officially believe in Thor. Do you know him?

    We are free to believe what ever we like to, we have freedom of speech too but whre do you draw the line where freespeech does not become freedom to insult?

    Yes we do, but you are insulting my one and only God with your comments. I have to react. Thor says that any other religious books, except his word, are wrong. I was behaving and reacting on behalf of my true God (like you did). So what shall we do?

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    Now it is getting interesting bro., what did you just say?
    "You didn't tackle anything I've said."
    Lol, you said im not an open minded person, i have not read other books, im puting Quran under your nose and blah blah.
    What i told you, by reading different books no one becomes and open minded. I have read other religious books and many others and still reading..... am i open minded hell ya, i atleast welcome different ideas in my life. Was i or am i puting Quran under your nose? Hell no. I have never done that and will never do it.

    So you see i answered you almost all your questions which are not even deserving to answered, yet i did coz im not a rude too.

    You did not answer any thing, instead started a pointless discussion on a different thing or issue. Or you are asking me to post you those question once again? Here you go boy.

    Why do you think i have not been told all those you wrote? And what makes you think that those one line or one verse are not capable of giving human a clear sign? Why do you think Nature or God has given us the brain? (I guess you can read them, just tell me if you need a navi).

    ".....but you are insulting my one and only God with your comments."
    really, i mean really? Loll

    Now your bomb about 1970 is just laughable. Are you a kid? I mean seriously, a grown up sign is no where to see untill yet in your all those comments. Im just curious you know.
    The Truth stays The Truth whether it is recognised or not. Whether it is proven or not, whether it is discover or not. Nothing can change the truth. The Book itself is old enough to answer your rediculous question which makes no sense at all. Lol.

    Oh ja, 1970 right, dont worry i haven't forgotten about it. Now An Egyptian called Rashad Khalifa discover the science in the Quran just two years prior to 1970, it means it was 1968. Sorry not 1970 though. Loll.

    "says that any other religious books, except his word, are wrong. I was behaving and reacting on behalf of my true God (like you did). So what shall we do? "

    Simple be happy with Thor. I'll be with mine and the rest will be with theirs.

    So for the record i have proven you wrong once again, and hey if you dont believe go a bit down on the page and read your and mine comment, im sure your sight will not, atleast this time, cheat you.
    P.S. Say hello to Almighty Thor and his journalist girlfirend who lives here in the U.S. hahaha.
    take care.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @911_was_an_Inside_Job,

    I don't know from where should I begin. I obviously struck a nerve.

    Just to emphasize again. You didn't prove me wrong. You're just proving yourself wrong, over and over again.

    Let suppose you've read all those books but it is obvious that you didn't take anything home from them, since you're stuck with one, and plus you're trying to show us that that is the "right" one. Please don't.

    You say: Why do you think i have not been told all those you wrote?

    I don't know what the hell you're trying to communicate with this, so I'll say OK you've been told all those I wrote. So what?

    You also say: And what makes you think that those one line or one verse are not capable of giving human a clear sign?

    Do you even know the difference between a "sign" and a "science". Obviously not. No further comment.

    Your next question: Why do you think Nature or God has given us the brain?

    I don't believe that our brains are given by someone. We are complex organic matter that over time evolved to a such degree to became conscious of self and the environment, thus acquired capabilities to affect self and the environment. If you want to put it in a spiritual/philosophical way here it is: Since we're part of the universe, in a way the universe becomes conscious of itself, through us. But no God didn't give us our brains. Especially not God described in Abrahamic religions.

    So it wasn't 1970, but 1968. That is why I couldn't sleep last night. It was 1968. Sorry, let me rephrase it: Why these supposed scientific miracles in the Qu'ran are very recent phenomenon, not known before the 1968?

    And calling me a kid, boy, bro is not going to make your arguments (if there are any) stronger.

  • tarek sahmoud

    clearly ur missing out on the point of " faith " in itself , which is believing what u dont see..some call it god..other " higher power" ..ur trying to link these two together with ( reason ) which is not confirmed even with science as you claim..( We are complex organic matter that over time evolved to a such degree to became conscious of self...) its just an opinion , but if u really believe only what u see based on reason in this world ..eventualy u'll lose it! yes wer conscious but that doesnt mean that ur aware of whats happening..subconscious control ( as i read ) 70 % of our actions which we no nothing about ..( u dont see it )..sometimes u feel it ( gut feeling ) as ppl call it...and a lot o' other examples..list goes on..so linking faith with proved reason is just naive ..and i guess it would b a paradox to ask ppl to believe in god by faith and in the same book( Qur'an ) illustrate all the later scientific discoveries ..i mean thats the whole point of faith!..i guess what hes trying to tell u that it was written but with no illustration.its not a ( sign ) ..its there..written..and in response to ur argument..most great scientist in this last era were westerns and i guess they no a little abt ( qur'an ) but if they did , may that would ve helped shape an opinion and investigate it..to prove it right or wrong..and its not easy btw cause according to this documentary the book in itself sometimes could get very compicated and not easy to understand

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6MIUWPEMXRF4MRXS6QHCNBHHZI sameer

    I dont know why do you think in this way.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6MIUWPEMXRF4MRXS6QHCNBHHZI sameer

    It is your idea though, why do you force on others. You may not believe in God but there are those who do. For billions there is a God or many Gods, whats wrong in ti dude.

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    "I don't know from where should I begin. I obviously struck a nerve."

    really? Loll
    You dont know where to beginn? it is normal with people like you. A tube-bulb needs a few seconds (sometimes minute) to reflex.

    "Just to emphasize again. You didn't prove me wrong. You're just proving yourself wrong, over and over again."

    Really? Last time cheked you were gone down long. Why dont you read some more books to become an open minded person. Loll

    "I don't know what the hell you're trying to communicate with this, so I'll say OK you've been told all those I wrote. So what?"

    I wanted to tell you one and only one thing by that, and that is that i have seen stereotype all of my life playing the same old recod over and over. Just like brainwahsed zombies you know what i mean?

    "Do you even know the difference between a "sign" and a "science". Obviously not. No further comment."

    Well, it is original ok, not a copy paste just came to me. Listen carefully coz no one will teach you like this in your entire life.

    Something reflects to me when i read your post and tells me that you are an ignorant. This is a sign.
    And when i prove this fact to you and you avoide it in pain and shame is Science. Hahaha. I bet you are learning this time.

    "I don't believe that our brains are given . . . . . . . . . "

    I am open to accept your view and respect it. It is ok with me if you tell me that you are a junk of cells jumbled together, alright.

    "So it wasn't 1970, but 1968. That is why I couldn't sleep last night."

    How could you even sleep, you got this site where you run behind people who dont not consider themselves a junk-yard. I mean.... leave it.
    Alright, alright, 1968. Huh. Loll
    Look even if i give you, even a name some one great, some one who actually gave something to the society, you would not even consider believing anything, you know why? it is your ego, your ego will not let you accept the fact and my point coz you cant digest that some one actually knows more than you and has better understanding than you. This is very normal in people who are selfcentered.

    The sign and science of the Quran was known to the mankind sicne it is revealed (now im not sure if you understand what reveal means) and it spread through minds which created personalities who posses the knowledge of Music, Poetry, Medicine, Astronomy, Mathematic, Physics, Metaphysics, Nature, Psychology, Geology, Pharmacology, Chemistry, Engineering, etc. but even if i give you all the example of the world you would not learn. Any way, i give you one name out of many who memorised the Quran at the age of seven, from where he leanrd the basic (did not become a suicide bomber though, as many of you would like you call such people) and became the Father of the Modern Medicine, Father of clinical Pharmacology, Father of Geology. His name is Ibn Sina known in the west as Avicenna.

    Now untill unless you do not open your mind for different ideas, please don't bother me. And i dont care if you banned me on this site. I never wanted a confrontation, you wanted it you got it.
    Regards
    Sleep well.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @911_was_an_Inside_Job,

    ...it is normal with people like you. A tube-bulb needs a few seconds (sometimes minute) to reflex.

    I never said something about your character or intelligence (directly), but you did. There is no need for that. Don't lose it.

    Why dont you read some more books to become an open minded person.

    I consider myself as such. At least I'm not directly insulting people around, when I don't agree with them.

    ...i have seen stereotype all of my life playing the same old recod over and over. Just like brainwahsed zombies you know what i mean?

    It could be said exactly the same about you. We've seen these stereotypes playing the same record over and over again. Why don't you read the site I've linked below. But this time without prejudice. Honestly, word by word and think about every word carefully. Make your OWN conclusions. However I doubt you'll do that.

    It is ok with me if you tell me that you are a junk of cells jumbled together, alright.

    It is also OK with me if you worship a deity, as long as you don't publicly impose YOUR rules such as: mutilation of genitals, scientific signs in the scriptures, fasting etc...

    Look even if i give you, even a name some one great, some one who actually gave something to the society, you would not even consider believing anything, you know why? it is your ego, your ego will not let you accept the fact and my point coz you cant digest that some one actually knows more than you and has better understanding than you. This is very normal in people who are selfcentered.

    Well, this paragraph looks very egotistical. You're saying that others have egos and are self-centered by imposing your ego and your center to others.

    His name is Ibn Sina known in the west as Avicenna.

    Ahhh... now we're getting to the the Islamic Golden Age and the respective most famous polymath of that time. Before continuing do you realize that this has nothing to do with the Quran and the supposed scientific miracles in it. It is pure science. If a man belongs to one faith and in the same time makes achievements in the scientific field, that doesn't make your supposed scientific miracles in the Quran TRUE.

    The corpus of his works was heavily based and built up on the translations of Greco-Roman, Persian and Indian texts. Those were commented, redacted and developed substantially by Islamic intellectuals, who also built upon Persian and Indian mathematical systems, astronomy, algebra, trigonometry and medicine.

    In the same time the study of Quran and Hadith thrived in such a scholarly atmosphere.

    Now if you want to associate the accomplishments of this man and many others with the Quran (the supposed scientific miracles in it) and your faith, I'll say that is logically wrong. As I said above, he used massive previously known literature to build up and expand his work.

    By your logic Christians can claim that 80% of all scientist were inspired and guided by the scientific miracles in the Bible. Because until recently almost all of them were Christians.

    At the and I'll politely ask you not to use personal labels and insults while commenting. We don't agree but that doesn't mean that we have to insult and start call each other names.

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    "I consider myself as such. At least I'm not directly insulting people around, when I don't agree with them."

    No you are not insulting people Directly but indirectly. It is considered as bad as insulting anyone directly. What goes around comes around.

    "Ahhh... now we're getting to the the Islamic Golden Age . . . ."

    The man i named previously was indeed a religious man, believed in his religion, its teaching and the scripture and every logic and sign of it. The same book was the root of what he became and achieved. So yes, the sign of the Quran was recognised by Ibn Sina, then put to the test. As he was not just any one.

    "Now if you want to associate the accomplishments . . . . . . "

    If it would have not been Ibn Sina's upbringing in Islamic culture, he would have been not the same. Perhaps he would have been just a regular guy whom no one look at. His accomplishment was his intelligence to recognise the truth, to examine it for the ultimate test and utilise it for the better of society. It does not matter if Sina used or inspired by the literature of the past, what matters is what he made out of them. Only after the craft and polishe a stone becomes diamond.
    Ibn Sina did not only gain from those literatures or the logic or theories, he also proved them wrong and corrected them.

    "By your logic Christians can claim that 80% of all scientist . . . . "

    My argument on Ibn Sina was to show you that inspite being an ispiration to millions Muslims non Muslims, inspite being a renoun person of his time, inspite being a great scientist, Sina never forgot where his roots lie. He did not become an arrogant, intoxicated in his own success. He stayed a humble religious person, thanking his God for the gift he got.
    Bible and Quran shares the same creater. Judaism, Christianity and Islam shares the same founder if we want to trace back. So i got no problem but to agree that Bible does have many signs and information which actually have helped many scientists in the past.

    Quran as i belive as well as the Bible contains signs which are like code and once you decode them you will be able to see the truth and the real explanation. Once again Quran or Bible or any religious book is not a science -fiction book where only the theories are given and as we all know theories are not fact.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @911_was_an_Inside_Job,

    The same book was the root of what he became and achieved.

    As I've said he used massive previously known literature (from other civilizations) to build up and expand his work. If he had only the Quran in his hands I doubt he would have achieved anything.

    So no, one book (Quran) was not the root of what he became and achieved. The root was the scholar atmosphere, the time he was living in and the access to scientific literature.

    The rest of your comment is that you recognize the Quran and the Bible as coded messages, that need to be decoded in order to be understood properly. Have you asked yourself why would someone bother coding this VERY IMPORTANT messages? Why not giving this knowledge in a plain, detailed way? If those books are indeed God inspired, why describing these miracles in codes, metaphors?

    In one of my comments I've mentioned that Scientologists believe that we are immortal alien spiritual beings, termed a thetan, that are trapped on planet Earth in a physical bodies.

    If I would confront a Scientologist, as I confront you now, he will argue in the exact same way as you do now. And every other religious follower belonging to any other religion (thousands of them), will argue that his religion is the right one, the magnificent one, and that their "scientific miracles" are correct and written down way before the science truly discovered them. And every one of those religions thinks that the other religions are dead wrong.

    So here is one beautiful quote from Stephen F Roberts. Just food for thought:

    "I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

    Edit: I had to add this. Yous say at the end "...and as we all know theories are not fact."

    I don't want to be rude or anything, but you clearly do not understand what the word "theory" really means.

    From wiki: "A scientific theory comprises a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules (called scientific laws) that express relationships between observations of such concepts. A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about such observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena."

    In short theory is more than a fact.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GGNSOCATTZXFIAXHZQDQARHZME Furqan

    I wish your mom had taught you not to call anyone a liar unless you have enough proofs of it. And Muslims don't need an enlightenment like Christianity. They will be 500 years ahead of the world if they returned to the same Islamic way of life which they practiced till about 900 years after the revelation of the Holy Qur'an. And the Muslims had their glorious days in those centuries when all the scientists rose from Islamic World. And the Muslim empire reached even Spain. But the christian world was dark and ignorant. They stole Muslim science and built it on and started to call it their own creation.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GGNSOCATTZXFIAXHZQDQARHZME Furqan

    I have a question for all the atheists. I tried to find an answer but failed, now I think only you can give me an answer. Who was at the back of the Big Bang? Where did all the matter and energy come from. And there's a great amount of it, so, I'm sure you won't say that it came into being on its own will.

    Now you will say that our universe did not need a creator because its just an aftermath of the collision of two giant universes.
    Now, this idea is from the String Theory, which is a theory not proven and is almost not provable. And already many scientists have called it a pretty looking piece of mathematics that has nothing to do with reality. So how can you believe in something that has no proof.

    OK, let's just suppose for a moment that the String Theory is correct and our universe came into being as a result of the collision of two giant universes. Then may I ask where those two parent universes came from? A possible solution to this would be to say that they were created in a similar fashion, i.e., with a collision. So all those parallel universes came into being after a collision. If you keep going back in time (as according to this theory time was already there before the birth of our universe) you will come to a point when there will be only two universes. So you wont have any more universes left to blame for their creation. Like God created Adam and Eve by himself and then the whole human race continued from them similarly He must have created those two first universes as well. So here is a place where there is a need of God.

    Please any atheist give me an answer to this because you are quite sure that there is no God. But one thing I have to say is: No one can ever prove the non-existence of something, so, I am amazed how you think you are 100% right. I don't know why you don't feel in these huge and obedient systems from quantum level to the cosmic level everything seems to be working within laws. Who created those laws? Are you brave enough to believe that these beautiful and elegant laws were taken by the universe arbitrarily at the time of its birth? Did we amazing humans come into being by chance?

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    "As I've said he used massive previously known literature . . . . "

    Offcourse He lived in an era where Muslims were on the peak of there achievement, they had the access to very important documents, but that does not undermine any ones ability. As i have told you his root was the Quran and yes even if those materials would have not been available, his achievements would have been still as bright as today. A human mind is not bound to only one idea or one thought, people who use their brain know how powerful it is.

    "The rest of your comment is that you recognize the Quran and the Bible . . . . "

    On this point here we can say that nothing was open and plain, even whatever scientist of today have achieved was a result of a hardwork. They had to dig, cut, drill, slice for every single known fact of today. Every thing has a pattern and code, even your Junkyard body. It has a pattern, a code which explians itself but the explanation can only be understood when you know how to break the code and how to read the pattern. This is why we have our brain dont we?

    "If I would confront a Scientologist, as I confront you now, . . . ."

    This is funny, :) any way, i dont mind if they think we are all Aliens, i dont understand the word itself. What is Alien? All i know is there is somewhere in me, a part of me believes that we may not be ALONE living creature in this entire univers or ....
    My argument is, that there have been incidents or revelation of unknown through out the Human history, you may deny it or science my reject it but it does not change the fact.

    "I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

    Honestly, an Honest quotation, i liked it. Thanks for posting it.

    The theory of Charles Darwin, as He the one actually is credited for the discovery of the idea of evolution but thats is not entirely true. 1000 years ago there was a man who actually decoded the pattern and laid the basic for the Idea which influence heavily Darwins theory. Infact Darwin even has the access to the book which explained for the first time the idea of evolution. But for my understanding a Theory is not Fact, sorry to disappoint you. If i'm to believe that Theories are fact, sadly i have to believe all the crap of Extrateritorials etc. (even though i saw something on the sky which did not look like a plane to me) Lol.
    In my openion, not from wiki, is that to expext any one to belive in a theory you got deal with the hardhitting question, cross-examing, researching, trying to find the real truth by ourself. I dont know much about Evolution, all i know is that we all came out of water and that is enough for me understand that life started there and begun slowly slowly to develope. The result we have infront of our eyes. I know this is a fact, and i know it from the Quran.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @911_was_an_Inside_Job,

    "As i have told you his root was the Quran and yes even if those materials would have not been available, his achievements would have been still as bright as today."

    I disagree. By your reasoning we can expect at any moment a member of an African tribe (let say with high IQ and a Bible/Quran in his hand) to prove the String Theory right. That is not likely to happen, unless that member receives thorough 30 year education and has access to all available scientific data up to today.

    Accrediting the success of Avicenna to only one book is not logically sound. Especially if that book is scripture filled with metaphors and numerous morally wrong assertions.

    "...the explanation can only be understood when you know how to break the code and how to read the pattern."

    With this you're undermining the effort of thousands of scientists across the globe in the recent 500 years. Obviously you and handful of others can crack the Quran/Bible code but they, the scientists, somehow missed it.

    "My argument is, that there have been incidents or revelation of unknown through out the Human history, you may deny it or science my reject it but it does not change the fact."

    But that is not a fact, and you still present it as such. Simply it is not supported with evidence of any kind. It is out of the domain of the factual. I can say that I had a revelation yesterday, and I can write it down, but can I prove it? Certainly not. I can convince some people to believe me, depending on how vividly I'm going to tell "my story", but that will be it. Nothing more.

    "Infact Darwin even has the access to the book which explained for the first time the idea of evolution."

    I've heard a lot of "stories" regarding Darwin, but I must admit this one is the "craziest" so far (again no insult intended). This is going beyond anyones imagination. Again, I can now say that Darwin was using the Vedas to craft his theory, but am I able to prove that? Certainly not. The same goes to your assertion.

    "But for my understanding a Theory is not Fact, sorry to disappoint you. If i'm to believe that Theories are fact, sadly i have to believe all the crap of Extrateritorials etc."

    Again, this only proves how much little you know the scientific matter and still you insist on existence of scientific miracles in the Quran. This only shows that you've read an article on the Internet, watched a YouTube clip, someone told you, and you're ready to argue about science. Extraterrestrials (probably you've meant that) is not a theory, nor a fact.

    "I dont know much about Evolution... The result we have infront of our eyes. I know this is a fact, and i know it from the Quran."

    I think there is no possibility of further discussion since you don't know the basic scientific principles (like what is a theory), not to mention the Evolution itself, but still you insist on revealing the scientific truth in religious scriptures. How is that even possible?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GGNSOCATTZXFIAXHZQDQARHZME Furqan

    In one of your own documentaries cosmologist, Neil Turok, says

    "Nobody has the solution for the singularity problem(the Big Bang) other than essentially by hand starting the universe at a certain time and saying "let's go from there"...and that's very unsatisfactory and the biggest problem of cosmology."

    So one of your physicist is saying that "someone had to start it all by hand" while you say that universe was created from nothing. You now have to turn to the idea of String theory, and the physicists did find it unsatisfactory to believe that the "universe was indeed created from nothing" that's why they called "multiverses" for the rescue.(However, you are the first I've seen who is satisfied with it.) And that is probably the reason why theorists like String Theory so much today, because it helps them to get through the singularity. And if they use this way (i.e., the collision of parallel universes) then my question is still alive "where did the first two universes come from?"

    Anyways, let's wait till there is a proof a solid one, that no one can deny, in favor or against the existence of God. But for now theists and atheists both are equally strong in their argument. They both believe in a thing made out of nothing. I find it better to believe in a God because I think its safer than dying without a belief in case God is a reality. You be happy with your belief and I am happy with mine. And do not forget that Islam is the most speedily spreading religion in the World, not atheism. And do not forget the mass movement to spread anti Islam feelings. Maybe one and a half billion of the World are fools and just a handful of atheists are true. I won't be replying further. May God show us all the right path, Ameen!

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @Furqan,

    Probably you didn't understand my previous comment.

    Atheists do not know, nor they claim to certainly know what was before the big bang. It is essentially the same what Neil Turok says.

    There are many scientific possibilities, including multi-verse, on what came before the Big Bang, but they're just possibilities at this time. And no I didn't say I'm satisfied with any of those possibilities.

    "...then my question is still alive 'where did the first two universes come from?'"

    We don't know that there were multi-verses, and even if they were we don't know what was before them. Is that a really difficult position to understand? Now what was before your God?

    "Anyways, let's wait till there is a proof a solid one, that no one can deny, in favor or against the existence of God."

    Don't wait for that one. Science doesn't bother with God, and is/will never tackle his existence, since God is under the umbrella of the supernatural. The same as Thor, Santa Claus, the Unicorns, etc.

    If you want to prove the existence of your God, the onus is on you. Don't wait for the science.

    "But for now theists and atheists both are equally strong in their argument. They both believe in a thing made out of nothing."

    You can't compare their arguments because they belong to totally different realms. One is the scientific the other one is supernatural. In fact theists have no argument, except a word from one book, which is not an argument.

    "I find it better to believe in a God because I think its safer than dying without a belief in case God is a reality."

    In case you didn't know that is a Pascal's Wager (Christian Philosopher) argument, which is the weakest of all arguments for believing in the existence of God. Read upon it.

    Further more if you decide to put your bet on believing in God, you have to decide in which God will you believe. The wheel of fortune is big, thousands of Gods big. I hope you've chosen the right one.

    And do not forget that Islam is the most speedily spreading religion in the World, not atheism.

    Never said that, never claimed that. In fact atheist are the most hated minority, even hated more than homosexuals.

    The growth has nothing to do with anything. Most of the growth is due to birth-rate, and the growth that outruns the birth-rate (conversion), is almost insignificant. Nothing to brag about, except if you encourage children indoctrination from a very young age.

  • v2fftb

    I am pretty new in these kind of things.. and i wont be able to give out a better explanation or better questions.. I had gone through the comments and there were some things that became my concern.

    Mr Vlatko, I can see through your comments that you must have read many books, and your knowledge level is way too high above me. In all of the comments of yours i had read, i saw that you are completely against the religious or ancient scriptures. You have proven some where too well about why do u believe, and what do you believe. I must say that i am impressed, i am really impressed.

    I have a question for you. The way you were talking about Bible and Qur'an.. I don't know why but i felt some thing that i wanna share. I wanna ask with hope for a truly honest reply.
    The questions is... Have you ever gone through Bible or Qur'an? Do you know whats in there? That is soooo into focus now a days.. even in the presence of these Modern theories?

    Now i read that the answer is a YES from you. But its really too hard to believe, as a reader, i don't believe that i have seen any one in my life who can go utterly against a book. I mean i have also been problems with some of the ideas ( actually many of them) of a couple of books, but even so, i cannot find my self go utterly against them.

    It seems like even if you really had gone through them you NEVER DID CONSIDERED THEM BOOKS, BUT SOME THING DIFFERENT THEN THAT.

    These are mine and mine alone thoughts. I would be happy to have a good honest reply. Clarify my concern please.

    Thank you

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @v2fftb,

    Not a problem, I'll give you the answer.

    I'm not going totally against these books. I admit, there are many valuable thoughts in them. Lot's of wisdom can be harnessed there (in a philosophical sense).

    However those books are full of metaphors, contradictions, errors and justifications for a really bad stuff.

  • v2fftb

    I really can't go along with that answer,

    Okay, here is a thing that will suffice me a bit more if answered.

    If u have gone through the Qur'an, u must have gone through a verse saying:

    "And the suns and the moons and the earth, revolve in their assigned paths"

    That was written in it about 14.33 hundred years ago. and if i recall correctly, man just discovered that world is round a couple of centuries back, before that we were thinking that world is flat and this and that.

    But Qur'an, even told us then, that thats not the case. Didn't it give us a hint? I am not saying that you must believe that Qur'an is not a man written book, what i meant was th KNOWLEDGE EXTRACTION PATH, if we can have something from it in advance why bother discovering it again? like man took a thousand years to discovered something that was already mentioned in this book.

    Like Rutherford discovered atomic model, but we are not discovering it again, are we?

    Now i know this discussion is old, but that discussion was very vague and was un-understandable, it does not help you to have an idea.

    What i say is that take what these books got, and make our path researching them. Finding them correct will make our day, won't it? After all, we all want to KNOW and TO KNOW is all what we need.

    (And what do you mean by BAD STUFF?)

  • http://www.topdocumentaryfilms.com Epicurus

    that verse is not in the quran. perhaps it comes up differently if you would like to quote where it is in the quran that would be great.

    now what about all the times the quran is wrong:

    quran says there are 7 planets....this is wrong
    Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge. Qur'an 65:12

    apparently the moon is further than the stars according to the quran
    See ye not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another,
    'And made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp Qur'an 71:15-16

    here it says the stars are the closest things
    Surely We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment, the stars. Qur'an 37:6

    here it says the moon gives off cold
    Reclining in the (Garden) on raised thrones, they will see there neither the sun's (excessive heat) nor (the moon's) excessive cold.
    Qur'an 76:13

    They think the moon gives off its own light. The moon does not emit light. The Arabic word for reflected (in`ikaas) does not appear in this sentence.
    And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp?
    Qur'an 28:16

    the quran says sperm is made not in the testicles where we know it is produced, rather it says:
    He is created from a drop emitted .Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs. Qur'an 86:6-7

    when speaking of animals it says:
    And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction. Qur'an 51:49
    but we know there are some animals that produce asexually not needing pairs.

    humans were never a blood clot:
    reated man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood. Qur'an 96:2

    here the quran says that bones are formed first then flesh wraps around them, but we know this is wrong. the muscles form first then the bones and flesh form at the same time
    Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones then (not and) clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
    Qur'an 23:14

    oh my goodness i could go on and on about how wrong the quran is. but why listen to me. you can just do a google search and make sure you dont go to Harun Yahyas websites anymore. he is lying to you.

  • v2fftb

    As i said in my earlier post that i am a beginner to this stuff, and that i wont be able to interpret things too well. I am actually a Kid at these things, but hope to have your support in my path.

    I am not in offence, but am just a knowledge seeker, the one who believes in truth and don't believe in things like media or any HUMAN'S SAYING (need proof for every thing, don't we?. I am sorry about the origin of the Qur'anic verse i mentioned, i will give it to you very soon). . To understand Qur'an, i think one must know Arabic. Study it in its own language, shouldn't we?

    But thats not what i meant. What i meant was if we had taken into account of what Qur'an has to say, we might be standing in a totally different area. You know what i said about KNOWLEDGE EXTRACTION? If we take a path from it and research for it we might be able to reach an idea?

    Since the most toughest part of any research is the QUESTION, am i not right?

    But there were some misunderstanding i got with the above defined verses. Before what you said, what i believed about these verses you gave me were some what like this. Please correct me, 'cause i have been thinking them as:

    [i]quran says there are 7 planets....this is wrong[/i]

    I don't really know about it, if u see the ARABIC version, the word Firmaments can be replaced by HEAVENS, i believe that is about the 7 skies, not 7 worlds.

    [i]'And made the moon a light in their midst, and made the sun as a (Glorious) Lamp[/i]

    I believe, the word "MIDST" means middle not above, i believe.

    {i}Surely We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment, the stars.{/i}

    That is saying about the stars are on the NEAREST HEAVEN, not that they are closest to us.

    [i] Reclining in the (Garden) on raised thrones, they will see there neither the sun's (excessive heat) nor (the moon's) excessive cold. [/i]

    With these ancient scriptures my friend, things are a bit more tricky. You cannot take them all literally. I think, what it MIGHT meant was that its cold at night.

    The things in "(*)" are the words that were added only in TRANSLATIONS of Qur'an for a better understanding. You should learn Arabic.. I mean it literally. And study the Arabic version for a better understanding.(no offence)

    [i]And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp?
    Qur'an 28:16[/i]

    Wrong origin, i can't find it at the mentioned area.

    [i]And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction[/i]

    We know that even those guys need paired cells for reproduction, (inside them even if thats what the case is)

    [i] He is created from a drop emitted .Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs [/i]

    I really don't know about it, but doesn't testis lie between the back bone?.. at the end if you see human skeleton from the front? It might be said about women. You know, where uterus lay?

    [i]Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump;.[/i]

    The word CONGEALED is actually CLINGING, meaning ;stick or hold together and resist separation, isn't that true? And we all know that the baby is not flying around in the womb.

    [i]Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones then (not and) clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!
    Qur'an 23:14[/i]

    Doesn't LUMP means a peace of FLASH dear sir?
    And i just saw the video of a baby forming, and i really can't understand how can you believe that. I mean i saw a lump, after that a very THIN version, (which really needed some proteins .. lol) , and finally that THIN thing becomes a bit healthy.

    Please clarify me, because i am getting confused here.

    Thankyou

    (And one more thing, i don't believe in ONE PARTICULAR SITE.. so i don't believe what this Harun Yahya has to say, i had to confirm it from different sources and from more authentic ones)

  • v2fftb

    Sorry about those [i] and [/i].. i was thinking of is as a normal chat box

  • v2fftb

    I believe this is the original verse that i mentioned.. I do apologize for that naive act that i did back then.

    It is He Who created The Night and the Day, And the sun and the moon: All (the celestial bodies) Swim along, each in its Rounded course." [Al-Qur’aan 21:33

  • v2fftb

    Please answer my question.. i think i forgot to reply you.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @v2fftb,

    I never mentioned terrorists, nor I wanted to imply that. Also I'm not killing anyone.

    You simply asked for a bad stuff in the Quran and I just gave you one example and a link where you can check many more. We were only discussing the Quran. Don't get disappointed. You have to get use to the fact that lots of people on this planet believe in many different things, and many are non believers.

    Now here are two examples of positivity and wisdom in the Quran:

    "A good word is like a good tree whose root is firmly fixed and whose top is in the sky."

    "And mankind is naught but a single nation."

    I'm sure there are many more.

  • v2fftb

    Okay..i apologize for the mis interpretation. But i wonder what that BAD MEANS. oh well never mind.. Leave this topic and come back to the point.

    Now please bring the IDEA i represented to light.. we were not talking about all this, nor Ethics, nor politics, but were talking about science. So what do you say about my idea?

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @v2fftb,

    What is your idea? @Epicurus responded well on all of your ideas and I'll just second that.

  • v2fftb

    THE KNOWLEDGE EXTRACTION THING.. i apologize but i would like you to go down and read the first comment i did as a reply for you to answer.

    And i don't think Epicurus was able to satisfy me.. If you see i had deducted all of his concerns.

    AND THE WORSE THING WAS... he didn't answer my question, but actually he changed the entire subject.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @v2fftb,

    I've answered all of your questions. What do you exactly want me to answer you?

    And, no you didn't deducted all concerns of @Epicurus. You've just used philosophical reconciliation. Nothing factual. Just change of the semantics, from where you can "call upon" YOUR interpretations. That is not even close to science.

    "Firmaments can be replaced by HEAVENS, i believe that is about the 7 skies, not 7 worlds."

    Even if those are 7 skies, it doesn't change the error. Where do you see 7 skies?

    "I believe, the word "MIDST" means middle not above, i believe."

    Even if that is true, the moon stands in the middle of what?

    "That is saying about the stars are on the NEAREST HEAVEN, not that they are closest to us."

    Even if that is true, what the hell do you mean by "nearest heaven"?

    "With these ancient scriptures my friend, things are a bit more tricky. You cannot take them all literally. I think, what it MIGHT meant was that its cold at night."

    I was telling you just about that. Since the scriptures can't be taken literally, you have to interpret them. Who will do that? You? Theologists? Whoever does that it will never turn them into science.

    "You should learn Arabic.. I mean it literally. And study the Arabic version for a better understanding."

    Even worse. Translation, upon translation, upon translation. No science there either. Why would I or Epicurus have to learn Arabic? Why don't you learn Sanskrit or Chinese and study the Dhammapada.

    "Wrong origin, i can't find it at the mentioned area."

    Look harder. 71:15-16

    "We know that even those guys need paired cells for reproduction, (inside them even if thats what the case is)."

    No, you've just "interpreted" that to fit your needs. Nowhere in the Quran is mentioned that the pairs could be in a single life form.

    "I really don't know about it, but doesn't testis lie between the back bone?.. at the end if you see human skeleton from the front? It might be said about women. You know, where uterus lay?"

    Also your interpretation. Testicles between the back-bone. I mean come on. This is getting fun.

    "The word CONGEALED is actually CLINGING, meaning ;stick or hold together and resist separation, isn't that true? And we all know that the baby is not flying around in the womb."

    Ahhhh. Cohering is what you've probably meant. Anyways another semantic "salto mortale". Baby indeed is not flying in the womb but it moves a lot. It is not static.

    "I mean i saw a lump, after that a very THIN version, (which really needed some proteins .. lol) , and finally that THIN thing becomes a bit healthy."

    The muscles form first then the bones and flesh form at the same time. The simple fact is that heart muscle beats normally by 6th week from post-ovulation while first bone mandible is formed only by the 7th week; ribs bones by the 8th week and vertebral bones by the 11th week.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @v2fftb

    Further more way before the Quran appeared on the face of the Earth, there were many rudimentary and some good writings about the embryology.

    Ancient Indian ideas about embryology are to found in the Bhagavad Gita (2K BC) which describes structures such as the amniotic membrane.

    Hippocrates (460 - 377 BC) - The embryological knowledge of Hippocrates is set out in three books, the treatise on Regimen, the work on The Seed the book on The Nature of the Child.

    Aristotle (384 - 322 BC) was a Greek philosopher and scientist who wrote over 400 books on many different branches of learning. His main embryological compendium was that entitled On the Generation of Animals. Aristotle dissected and examined many different types of animal embryos, mammalian and cold blooded. It is also possible that he dissected an aborted human embryo.

    Galen (129-199 AD) was a physician and scholar, whose ideas dominated medicine until the Renaissance. Galen's theory of embryology is to be found in his On the Natural Faculties, and On the Formation of the Foetus, which deals more with the anatomical aspects.

    The Talmud is one of the most important works of Jewish religious literature, which grew up between the second and sixth centuries A.D. The Talmud contains several references to embryology. The embryo is referred to as peri habbetten (fruit of the body), It grew through various definite stages.

    Quran was not the only and the earliest scripture or literature that mentions embryology. Lot of guys did that way before the Quran. But they did it in a rudimentary sense, just as the Quran did.

    Only vague descriptions and guess work. Nothing scientific in it. Nothing miraculous.

  • v2fftb

    "And, no you didn't deducted all concerns of @Epicurus. You've just used philosophical reconciliation. Nothing factual. Just change of the semantics, from where you can "call upon" YOUR interpretations. That is not even close to science"

    Like you guys have been doing otherwise.. lol

    "Even if those are 7 skies, it doesn't change the error. Where do you see 7 skies?"

    May be we need to know, science isn't complete yet.

    "I believe, the word "MIDST" means middle not above, i believe."

    Go study English grammar then talk to me.. Midst can be used for any thing around, in, here, there. etc. So you don't read Novels either eh? Thats literature you know.. it helps in learning languages.

    "That is saying about the stars are on the NEAREST HEAVEN, not that they are closest to us."

    The nearest sky of coarse.

    "With these ancient scriptures my friend, things are a bit more tricky. You cannot take them all literally. I think, what it MIGHT meant was that its cold at night."

    i know many of the scientist who do that, are you really not related to any type of research?

    "Even worse. Translation, upon translation, upon translation. No science there either. Why would I or Epicurus have to learn Arabic? Why don't you learn Sanskrit or Chinese and study the Dhammapada."

    I would love to do so.. i guess you guy are not into geology nor in social nor in culture so you don't understand

    "Look harder.Look harder. 71:15-16"

    Qur'an 71:15-16: "And made the moon therein a [reflected] light and made the sun a burning lamp? "

    Whats wrong with that?

    "No, you've just "interpreted" that to fit your needs. Nowhere in the Quran is mentioned that the pairs could be in a single life form"

    It just said PAIRS.. not where or two or inside or outside

    "Also your interpretation. Testicles between the back-bone. I mean come on. This is getting fun"

    Its good to see you like it.

    "Ahhhh. Cohering is what you've probably meant. Anyways another semantic "salto mortale". Baby indeed is not flying in the womb but it moves a lot. It is not static"

    I meant its INTACT.. not in the form of cells flowing around and not INTACT. I meant the baby is in ONE FORM.. not that its cells are spread out in the womb.

    " The muscles form first then the bones and flesh form at the same time. The simple fact is that heart muscle beats normally by 6th week from post-ovulation while first bone mandible is formed only by the 7th week; ribs bones by the 8th week and vertebral bones by the 11th week."

    Hei i told you what i watched. The bones grew faster then the flash didn't they?

    AND AS FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENT:

    "Only vague descriptions and guess work. Nothing scientific in it. Nothing miraculous."
    Okay, here is the deal, its nothing miraculous, i will agree with you but you have to PROVE IT TO ME. Write a book like that yourself and show it to me. Or ask any one else to do so.. You can go ask any big atheist to write a book like this. Once done, you can reply me and i will agree with you, fine with you?

    And besides, I never said that Qur'an is the only one.

    NOW BACK TO THE TOPIC:

    I said that RESEARCH NEEDS ONE THING THATS QUITE IMPORTANT:

    i.e. question:

    Till now i thought that you guys were somewhat involved in research, but i am finding it out other wise. If you were, well.. You would have understand my topic. Its disappointing and quite a shame.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @v2fftb,

    "Like you guys have been doing otherwise.. lol"

    We are not doing anything. It is already done. Those scientific claims are busted long, long time ago. We are just repeating them here.

    "May be we need to know, science isn't complete yet."

    You've got it. Indeed it isn't. But that has nothing to do with that verse nor the Quran.

    "Go study English grammar then talk to me.. Midst can be used for any thing around, in, here, there. etc."

    Hahaha... I didn't disagree with you there. I said: Even if that is true, the moon stands in the middle of what?

    "The nearest sky of coarse.'

    It is "of course". Where are the other 6 skies?

    "The bones grew faster then the flash didn't they?'

    It is "flesh". But the Quran is not saying that the bones grow faster. Only which grows first and which second. "clothed the bones with flesh". I proved to you below that the flesh (muscles) grow first.

    "Write a book like that yourself and show it to me."

    I would never ever dare to write such a book. Doesn't matter... the Bible, Quran or anything else even remotely religious (organized).

    "And besides, I never said that Qur'an is the only one."

    Yes you didn't. I just wanted to show you that those verses in the Quran are nothing miraculous, nor special. They're just vague interpretation of natural phenomena, employing the understanding and knowledge available at those times, and most of the time they were wrong. Many civilizations have it, many scriptures have it, many early philosophers did that.

    Now what is the topic you want to discuss? Express yourself clearly.

  • v2fftb

    "We are not doing anything. It is already done. Those scientific claims are busted long, long time ago. We are just repeating them here"

    Well.. i usually do this stupid thing called thinking.. and don't just go on any ones saying.. like you know.. MAN TO THE MOON.. what proof do i have for that.. what if i say that thats all faked up?

    "You've got it. Indeed it isn't. But that has nothing to do with that verse nor the Quran."

    I thought i told you that Qur'an can provide links and hints?

    "'Hahaha... I didn't disagree with you there. I said: Even if that is true, the moon stands in the middle of what?"

    Thats mentioned in many other places, am i wrong?

    "It is "of course". Where are the other 6 skies?"

    Sorry for that spelling mistake.. well.. we have to find out. May be we should start working on it .. THE QUESTION I TALKED ABOUT.. we got it here.

    "It is "flesh". But the Quran is not saying that the bones grow faster. Only which grows first and which second. "clothed the bones with flesh". I proved to you below that the flesh (muscles) grow first."

    Like i said don't take it all literally. The bones were more visual then, other then when it was very small.

    "I would never ever dare to write such a book. Doesn't matter... the Bible, Quran or anything else remotely religious (organized)"

    Then stop calling it ORDINARY ( NOTE: I never said that Bible is not a miraculous book or the others.)

    "They're just vague interpretation"

    Don't call them vague, respected. But i had named them HINTS. Isn't that right?

    NOW CAN WE RETURN TO THE TOPIC NOW? IF YOU TALKED ABOUT ANY THING ELSE, OTHER THEN THE TOPIC I WANT THEN I WONT ANSWER UNTIL MY TOPIC IS DONE.

    Here it goes again.

    "It is He Who created The Night and the Day, And the sun and the moon: All (the celestial bodies) Swim along, each in its Rounded course." [Al-Qur’aan 21:33"

    so this was told about 14.33 hundred years back. This was something man discovered a THOUSAND years later. What i mean is that " WE SHOULD GO THROUGH QUR'AN, FOCUS ON THINGS WE ARE YET TO DISCOVER AND THEN SEARCH THEM, FIND THE TRUTH. WHATEVER IT MAY BE, according to the Qur'an or not.

    Got it or should i explain more?

    ( NOTE: I AM FOCUSING ON ONLY QUR'AN BECAUSE THE TOPIC SAYS "Secrets of the Koran")

    (i am a kid after all...lol)

  • Team_Mahdi

    I'm deeply offended by the fact that this documentary claimed that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) wanted to kill himself when he found out that he was the messenger of the lord. First of all the Prophet knew all along that he was the messenger of God. Secondly this documentary is showing the messenger as a weak person, he was infact pure and strong and had a lot of patience.

  • v2fftb

    Indeed indeed.. thats why i always say, what they show is not all true.. perhaps very few among them are... and a NO, i believe he didn't knew all along that he was the chosen one. Because when Angel Gabriel first brought the first revelation, he was surprised and astonished. It is said that he (S.A.W.W) went to his house where his wife, Lady Khadija supported and encouraged him, and then took him to her uncle, Warqa Bin Noefil, who told him that he was the chosen one. And so we cannot say that he knew it all along

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trevis-Robotie/100001756240675 Trevis Robotie

    with you all the way and all the time.....systematic brainwashing sooner or later sips into your dna and it becomes almost impossible to make ppl see they've been led on and exploited for centuries by god and religions....you only see things clearer by autosnapping out of religious stupor,only then could ppl realize that religs are tailor-made to control ppls of the world

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    "I disagree. By your reasoning we can expect at any moment a member of an African tribe (let say with high IQ and a Bible/Quran in his hand) to prove the String Theory right. . . . ."

    It does not matter if you agree or disagree. The difference between you and me is you are a man of science and I am a man of faith. I know an African tribe can not prove the so called string theory, but the question is can you prove it even if you have the access to all the support you need?
    Education does not make every one cleaver, our ancestors survived in many harsh weather, complicated situation, made difficult decisions without any education. They are the reason of what We are today, not the science or theory. Our ancestors did survived, lead healthier life than we have today, they were cleverer than Us today. Science have done good things to help the society as well as the greater harm to mankind which is being seen as new disease invented in the Labs. Not to mention all the warheads developed by so call scientist. and thats not all the list goes way furthur than any one of us imagine.

    "Accrediting the success of Avicenna to only one book . . . . "

    His name was not Avicena, his name was Ibn Sina, and I never said that his success was achieved by relying on only one book, all I said is that Ibn Sina asserted his own ideas and his own logic or theory in almost every thing He has ever presented to the world. He invented or perfected things which may have been invented long ago but not as sophisticated. He pioneered subjects which were later introduced to west.
    The point is all of the development of a child depends on the early incoming information, upbringing, the way of living, the art of understanding. A child having been born to a rich family does not always touches the peak of the success. A child born to a poor family does not always end up in the gutter. These outcome of any individuals life depend on the upbringing, early given or acquired knowledge, ability to understand. The success of Ibn Sina was heavily influenced by the books he get into touch in his early ages and it got perfected with the later information. The very base was indeed the Glorious Quran.

    "Obviously you and handful of others can crack the Quran/Bible code but they, the scientists, somehow missed it. . . . . "

    I am willing to understand other ideas, logics that is exactly why I am being so interested in the discussion where I have to look at something which I hardly consider authentic. My idea of decoding the Biblical or Quranic verses is not new, there have been even scientist taking these books for studying it, trying to find out the mysteries, signs, idea that these scriptures posses.
    Mainstream Scientist are not going to believe in revelation, miracle, supernatural because they cant prove it. But it is not the fault of those elements which occur time to time, the failure of a man is not the failure of the almighty God. He has given us all that could be given, in order to understand and think we have the brain. All we got to do is to part our selves from the prejudices which cuts us off the shores of the spiritual state. As I wrote last time, even human body is well coded, to understand how every organ in it functions, we need to decode it.
    Scientist have been doing or working on many issues, one of them which ahs been talked more than any other issue is evolution where we hear how human came to be.
    May scientist deny the existence of the supreme being. They claim that everything just came to happen. The know every thing about it. If you want to end the argument and want me to believe your version of evolution produce me a one single living cell out of nothing.
    And after all, should not all the combined Intelligence of all the worlds scientist be able the do what chance encounters with random chemical collisions, without an instruction manual, accomplished about 4 billion years ago, according to the evolutionists estimation. Without any intelligence at all available to help them these ‘simple ‘ cells miraculously created themselves into a living entity. Surely then today’s evolutionists scientists should be able to make us a ‘simple’ cell.

    "I've heard a lot of "stories" regarding Darwin, but I must admit this one is the "craziest" so far (again no insult intended). This is going beyond anyones imagination. Again, I can now say that Darwin was using the Vedas to craft his theory, . . . "

    When one studies the Qur’an to see references to creation, it makes much sense to look at Muslim scientists interpretations of certain verses of the Qur’an, who lived in the early days of Islam. When this is studied it is realized that Darwin, who gets the credit for the idea of natural selection and evidence for evolution, was one thousand years late in the discovery.
    The Muslim scientists ibn Kathir, ibn Khauldun, ibn Arabi, ibn Sina, among other scientists, such as the Ikhwan school of thought, arrived at the same conclusions as Darwin with a convincing amount of evidence.
    Some westerners, including Darwin’s contemporary, Sir William Draper, called it the Mohammedan Theory of Evolution.
    Draper admitted that the Muslim version was more advanced than Darwin’s, because in the Muslim version, the evolution starts out with minerals.
    Now the name of the one who actually brought the idea in a shape of a book, evolution, food chain, natural selection etc, as you mentioned you have never even heard something like that is Al Jahiz. Darwin copied the entire idea and presented as his own work. The book which is called the Book of Animal was written by Al Jahiz not by Darwin who was not even in the existence of that time.
    I am not shocked that you don’t know about it, simply because you look only one direction for your answers while I in many.

    For the rest of your post, all i have to say it i am not surprised to see you ignorance, arrogance towards different idea. It only proves what i believe is that you are still living in the state of egotism where you are deluded into yourself.

    P.S. Untill unless you have produce a living cell without any help without any thing which means out of nothing, dont answer. I would not be bothered any more by your posts which makes no sense what-so-ever.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @911_was_an_Inside_Job,

    "It does not matter if you agree or disagree."

    Then why are you responding with such a bitterness?

    "...but the question is can you prove it even if you have the access to all the support you need?"

    No I can't, never said I can. However it is by far more likely someone with good educational background to do that, instead someone with no education at all.

    "Education does not make every one cleaver, our ancestors survived in many harsh weather, complicated situation, made difficult decisions without any education. They are the reason of what We are today, not the science or theory."

    Education does not make us clever, but it lays out an excellent ground from where the intellect can grow.

    Our ancestors are the reason why we are today, but they were using scientific reasoning on a daily basis, like you're doing it today. For example sharp stone tools, spears, written language, are all products of the scientific thought of our ancestors. Without critical, scientific reasoning we wouldn't be what we are today.

    If you want to end the argument and want me to believe your version of evolution produce me a one single living cell out of nothing.

    This is typical religious argument. I can't produce you a living single cell out of nothing. Also I can't produce you a star, but thanks to science I know how they're produced. I can't produce you a dinosaur, but thanks to science I know they existed. I can't travel with the speed of light, but thanks to science I know how fast light travels.

    There are so many things that I can't do, but that is not the reason to believe that they don't (didn't) exist, since they're scientifically proven by other means (no replication).

    This religious argument (demand) of yours has another weakness. What you're asking is in the domain of Abiogenesis which has nothing to do with Evolution. Evolution is not concerned with, nor it proves or disproves, the origin of life. It simply explains how and why life changes over time. Therefore your argument is moot.

    "...ibn Kathir, ibn Khauldun, ibn Arabi, ibn Sina, among other scientists, such as the Ikhwan school of thought, arrived at the same conclusions as Darwin with a convincing amount of evidence."

    I see you've copied and pasted the exact same wall of text from somewhere else. That is OK but it would be nice to give the credit to the guy who wrote that. Now what you/they suggest is completely ludicrous, since can't be found in any official document, publication. It is posted only on a few forums out there, mainly by religious folks.

    Here is one nice quote: "...evolutionary thought goes back way further to the time of the ancient Greeks. Most of what Muslims attribute to 'enlightened and independent thought' is actually taken from concepts that have been going around for centuries earlier."

    There were many, many people, nations, civilizations that were touching on the subjects like the origin of life and evolution (including Lamarck), but Darwin was the one who gave the most detailed and satisfactory explanation.

    I think it's enough.

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    Hahaha, indeed.

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    Untill today, not one single scientist have ever manage or even come closer to creat a cell, or a drop of blood, out of nothing. It is not because they dont have what they need in order to creat it, it is because they just cant. A Human can not creat something living out of nothing, with no help. It is the ability of almighty God.
    The compitability of some Quranic or Biblical verses are unchallengable, unrefutable. They contain ultimate truth, secret of unseen and mystries which is being discovered time to time. One can not deny, if one study these scriptures, that these books have the power which is not possesed by any other book ever written.

  • Achems_Razor

    @911.....

    Your man made Quranic and Biblical verses about your invisible gods did not create something living out of nothing either.
    Except your "slippery slope fallacy's"

    Edit: By the way are you over 18?

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    Hahahaha.
    Keep it up, the work i mean.
    P.S. by the way have ever been to school? You must learn how to talk.

  • Achems_Razor

    Here we go, when all else fails for you religee's the "ad hominem attacks" are at the ready!

    Why do you mention school? are you a school kid?

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @911_was_an_Inside_Job,

    Do you even read what was being said?

    Evolutionary thought goes back way further to the time of the ancient Greeks (and before that). Most of what Muslims attribute to 'enlightened and independent thought' is actually taken from concepts that have been going around for centuries earlier.

  • v2fftb

    @Vlatko And here i am asking again and again.. If a Human wrote that Book. Then at that time, with that technology (1437 years past) how did he knew that the earth is round?.. how did he knew that worlds and sun and moon, revolves in their paths? Why do i have to mention again and again this verse?:

    "It is He Who created The Night and the Day, And the sun and the moon: All (the celestial bodies) Swim along, each in its Rounded course." [Al-Qur’aan 21:33"

    @Achmes_Razor

    I don't really know much about it but i think those religious people get angry when you use that harsh tone to commute and harsh words for their believes.

    Respect their believes and they will listen to you respectfully.

  • Achems_Razor

    @v2fftb,

    The Greeks beat your Quran to it by many many years, around 340 BC Aristotle said that our planet is a sphere, 150 AD Ptolemy elaborated Aristotle ideas into a cosmological model, and so on, and so on. All that science stuff in your Quran is plagiarized.

    Harsh tone? all beliefs are respected until they try to force their beliefs on others.

  • v2fftb

    there you go again.. stay calm and cool down.. we are not here to fight.. but to clarify our points.

    So what is your point then.. do you believe that the Greeks are good to be followed and their books should be read and followed?

  • Achems_Razor

    I already told you my point, nothing to clarify, case closed.

  • v2fftb

    By my question it means that i don't understand your point. And since i am left un-clarified. Case cannot be closed..

    Would you be humble enough to explain it to me one more time.. Briefly this time.

  • mudassar khalid

    Reza Aslan narrates about very first revelation on Muhammad:
    “IN HIS MIND, he heard this voice. And the voice said: RECITE ………”
    see the emphasis of "IN HIS MIND" by the Reza, which is quite contary to being unbaised.

  • mudassar khalid

    The claim that ” During the life of Prophet, the Koran was never written down”. I don’t know what’s the source of historic events in this documentary.
    Documentary said: “Muhammed died at the age of 62. As he exhaled his last breath, the Koran was complete. However it did not yet exist in any physical form but only in memories…. “This claim is quite baseless and neglecting known historic events:
    1: 2nd most important figure in Islam; Omar (the 2nd Caliph), in the famous event of accepting Islam when he went to kill Muhammad with bare sword in his hand. And then moved back to the house of his sister on news that his sister and her husband already accepted Islam, and there his sister hidden the written Koranic chapters on his arrival.
    2:Bukhari( the 2nd most authentic book after Quran among Muslims) narrates many Hadith about written chapters of Koran. Like chapter Taha’s transcript was sent to Madina before the migration of Prophet to Madina.
    3: There is a known list for the writers of Koranic revelation who were formally appointed by Muhammad. This list include Zaid bin Sabit, Abu-Bakr, Omar, Usman Ali, Abdullan and Ubi bin Kaab etc.
    4: During migration to Yasrib(Madina), Muhammad given a written confirmation of Peace to Suraqa who was following him. This written approval to Suraqa is strong evidence that Prophet kept stuff with him to write down any possible revelation, during his life time.

    5: During the month of Ramadan, recitation of whole Koran is a special worship with strong emphasis in Islam. It is also much known that Prophet normally recite whole Koran once during the prayers in Ramadan. While he recite Koran 2 times in the last Ramadan of his life. Around 4, 5 months before his death.
    6: Western researchers also witness Koran at various places written in the life of Prophet. For example:
    1:Andrew Rippin(Ed) in Approaches of the history of interpretation of the Quran
    2: Dr. Maurice Bucaille in “The Bible, The Quran and Science”
    3: Kenneth Cragg in “The mind of the Quran”
    4: Karen ArmStrong: A known Roman Catholic writer and historian of our time
    I can name a lot more if needed. Also i can reference the old books for all above events for research if anybody is willing to.
    Then it proclaims that the event of compilation of Quran was initiated first time by Caliph Usman in 51 Hijri after 19 years of death of Prophet. This is also wrong.
    In actual, upon the command of the Prophet his Companions would write down what was revealed of the Noble Quran. They used, for this purpose, palm branches stripped of leaves, parchments, shoulder bones, stone tablets, etc. About forty people were involved in this task. Among them was Zayd Ibn Thaabit who showed his work to the Prophet . Thus, the Quran was correctly arranged during the Prophet’s life, but it was not yet compiled into one book.
    When Abu Bakr became Caliph after the Prophet died, a large number of the Companions were killed during the War of Apostasy. 'Umar Ibn Al-Khattaab went to the Caliph and discussed the idea of compiling the Quran into one volume. He was disturbed, as most of those who memorised it had died. Then, Abu Bakr called for Zayd and commissioned him to collect the Quran into one book, which became known as the 'Mus-haf.'
    And all this compilation took place during the very next 2 years after Prophets death.

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    School, this is where you actually learn the manner of talking to someone, anyone. I guess you failed at this miserably.
    If you want to talk or discuss on this issue, do it like Human does, not beast. I'm not here to fight with any one who disagree with me. Chapter closes here.

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    From the begining the Admin of this blog has been kind of mocking others and there belief, forgetting the arogance of his own, he is on the war with all of those who rejects his idea of being the sons and daughters of mere monkeys.
    No matter how many times one may answer his question, he comes up with the same tired idea and repeats it over and over. Rejecting others idea and proclaimng to be the one who knows all.
    Whenever, when a evolutionist come face to face with a creationist, talks about facts, but forgets that his so called Facts are actually Theories. Now very cleaverly he will tell any one that Theories are not just the collective of ideas but Facts.
    In his previous posts he made so many cliams according to which, i am a brainwashed person, only looks at one side, haven't read other scriptures and so on. As i replied to him and answered him, actually showed him the mirror, he went mute. He then chose to ignore the questions i asked and bombarded me with another slot of question which i systematically answered in my previous posts which could be seen and read.
    His claim that all the Muslim theologians, scietists, mathematicians, astronomers, musicians, etc, and there work was actually work of some other people. Yet he denies that his over rated evolutionist darwin was nothing but a person who actully not only copy the idea of someone but also stole the entire concept. Surprisingly this all knowing admin did not know about this simple fact which is around us since.
    No matter what ever argument one gives, what ever explanation one presents, the mind of a person who rejects to even consider other ideas, is never even going to give one single thought. Very typical and extreme as it comes, as we all know there is nothing which was made out of nothing, however a man like this admin who would go on and say without any hesitation that we as well as all living thing just happen to be. Created out of nothing. It is all random, it just happen there to be ONE SINGLE CELL created itself (from what) from which came all living thing, how absurd. Even in his own life nothing happens out of nothing, yet he willl claim all of this happened itself out of nothing.
    It is sad to see people going so deep in the lower part of the humanity, proclaiming things which cant even be proven by those so call evolutionist, being accpeted blindly by people who are confused themselves.
    This admin said and i quote.
    "By your reasoning we can expect at any moment a member of an African tribe (let say with high IQ and a Bible/Quran in his hand) to prove the String Theory right. . . . ."
    The nonsens of this statement is at its best, in my reply where i asked him if he can prove the theory with the help of all the equipment he need. His answer was obviously No.
    We can see here the helplessness of a evolutionist, who can actually come up with some ideas (i call it in some occasion fanatsy) and resemble it with the reality.
    If the theories are not just idea of an individual, why can he then not prove this so called String Theory? According to him, theories are nothing but Facts?
    An african tribe-man may not be able to prove how life funtions, but it can display the best way to live without being a delusionalist.
    In our fragile balance of society, Riligion and Science must co-exist, as they are the two sides of one coin. Religious institutes may have been currupt but the religion itself stays in its pure form only if one can understand the nature of its existence and the value which it prescribes. Religion without a doubt have made us what we are today, however one (thinking ones) can reject that it is the science which is shaping our world constantly. One must not forget the benefit of the science and the goal of the religion. Without religion the world would live in ignorance, helplessness, ego-ism and self-ism will rule the world and the values, which is already being lost in the west, will be lost forever. Imagine a world where every one believes that He created Himself out of nothing. The tyranny is already in its full flow, those who actually believe in self-creation are the one caring for none but themselves, such cruelty, merciless, unjust views which often derives one to acquire power over another by any means as the self-creationist would love only himself and there will be no way where others will be spared.
    The very example is right here in the form of this admin, who runs behind any one every one who doubt his Evolution theory.

  • v2fftb

    Such harsh words my friend. Why cant you understand. These are some, what our Last Prophet Muhammad (May Peace Be Upon Him and his family) called as "Jahil" (means :lost souls or who don't know). You must not show anger but pity, and don't think bad for them but pray for them, may their eyes are opened to Islam, before its too late.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @911_was_an_Inside_Job,

    That was one BIG rant. You twisted everything I've said.

    So far I responded to every comment of yours by carefully quoting and answering each paragraph. I'm not going to do that anymore. Why? Because arguing with creationist is almost impossible.

    It is impossible because they/you don't understand some basic scientific and historical concepts:

    What are the theories?
    What are the facts?
    Did people really come out of monkeys?
    What is the difference between Evolution and Abiogenesis?
    Was there scientific advancement before Islam?
    etc.

    So I'll encourage you to believe in your God (2/3 of the people on Earth will believe in other Gods) if that makes you feel better, but please don't put it under our noses as the right one.

  • v2fftb

    I can see what u are saying Mr. Vlatko, but i tell you one thing. You cannot define every thing with the current scientific knowledge you have. We cannot say any thing for certain, if you understand what i mean. Talk about The Arc etc.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @v2fftb,

    You only prove the point in my previous comment.

    Where did I say that everything can be defined with the current scientific knowledge we have? Nowhere.

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    You are yet to prove the evolution, the microliving organism which created itself out of nowhere. Explain it to yourself before you go on the mission to expalin it to others.
    I don't need to put my thoughts under anyones nose, you took it that way while i was referening an i**** who just brag like: bigbang in quran is wrong, iron in quran is wrong, fish in quran is wrong, like na i****. Stereotype.
    Your evolution has just let you go down and vanish like you may have come to happen "out of no where".
    I do not need encouragement, as i already believe in God, may be you need it as it appears the earth is sliping away under your feet.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @911_was_an_Inside_Job,

    1. Don't call people idiots. No one called you an idiot.

    2. See. you don't understand the difference between Evolution and Abiogenesis and still you're arguing. You really have to read upon it.

    Evolution is the body of theory that seeks to explain how life got to be so diverse. It begins where abiogenesis ends.

    We can't create life, we don't know for sure how it was created. That is the domain of Abiogenesis, which tries to postulate some explanations, unfortunately without success so far.

    On the other hand we are sure that life evolves, which is in the domain of Evolution.

    3. Once more, all the scientific miracles in the Quran are over simplified, basic, often wrong interpretations of what was already known. I've explained that well in my previous comments.

    4. I don't know why you think the earth is slipping away under my feet. That is not the case. I assure you.

  • v2fftb

    What i meant by that was.. That you cannot say just yet that SOME Qur'anic verses are wrong. We may still need Qur'an, as it is still referring somethings we don't know yet for sure. Like the 7 skies.

    I just say this. Take a line from Qur'an,,, an idea that was yet to be discovered by human science till now. (by human, i mean one that is not related to these Books) and research on it. Be it right or wrong. Why can't you understand that the QUESTION is the most important thing for any research? and so, if we study Qur'an in a better way, in search for knowledge we may find it easier to move further.

    And yeah.. both of you looks at your limits.. please calm down and just talk.. don't try to impose yourself on each other.

  • MarquiMarq

    Old saying: Half knowledge is dangerous. Let me explain..

    1) The Holy Qu'r'an is not story book like Bible.. "Once upon a time" stuff. All the verses in Quran are like slogans. Some verse can be explained in few sentences while just another verse will need an entire book of explaination. Like a simple slogan "Milk does body good" for a child it means it someting tastes good with sugar, for an uneducated person it means food to fill stomach but the same slogan to an educated person means milk not only fills stomach but also gives vital nutitions and vitamins to make body healthy.

    2) It says very specifically God made all living things from water. Science has proved the very first organism was a one celled organism was first born in water and all living beings evolved from it and this organism was actually arrangement of certain acids and bases originally existant in earthen wet soils (Qurnic word equivalent to 'sticky mud or clay') . Go check your science journals. No where in Quran is talks about evolution from one species to another.. it does not have to be explanatory .. as the world and science progresses they will find all these facts to be true.

    3) About IRON it says WE (GOD) sent it from heaven (sky): Now please go check History Channel and do reasearch in Science Journals scientists have only in the last 7 years proved that iron was never an element on earth it was deposited by few major metiorites which crashed on earth.. and for your kind information these scientists are mostly atheist and for sure has no information about any mention of such thing in Quran to work on their research.

    4) The very first Verse of Quran "Praise be to God (Almighty) Lord of WORLDS. not just world. HE is GOD of all the worldS not just earth, HE is GOD of every living and non-living created things of entire existance, wheather life on earth, Mars, planets, novas or under earth crust, sea, sky... While according to Bible life is only on Earth and Earth is flat and also center of universe.. Galelio was imprisoned for saying Earth is round.. (Already mentioned in Quran earth to be egg shaped sphere), Earth is not the center or universe and if any form of life even microbes found anywhere outside earth will shatter the Biblical theory. Sorry about it.

    5) Also mentioned in Quran it says (dont have verse in front of me now so not verbatim) WE (GOD) has protected us by 7 skys (tibaqan= layers) .... and for your kind information our atmospere is made of exactly 7 levels namely: 1. Troposphere 2. Stratosphere 3. Mesosphere 4. Thermosphere 5. Exosphere 6. Ionosphere 7. Magnetosphere. Each one protection from various harmful rays from space..

    There are other hundreds of verses which was mentioned in Quran over 1420 years back is being only discovered and proved true in the last few decades and advant of powerful telescopes..

  • MarquiMarq

    Please do some reading on Casimir Effects, matter/anti-matter, particle/anti-particles winking in and out of existance, positrons, some quamtum theories and blackhole.... all the physical laws hold good only pertaining to our good old earth.. many many earthen physical laws are rendered null and void in space where time dont exist. We are stuck with the logical theory that only something comes out of something.. conversion of one energies or matter, but many actions happening in the cosmos have no logical reasons and scientist are baffaled.. "something from nothing" surely defies science .. just cuz we, the primitive life form, dont know doesnt mean the explanation doesnt exist. Just cuz Albert Einstien never thought that light can be stopped, which now apparently scientist successfully did, even if it was for a fraction of a nano second. Again scientists, including Einstien, also made us believe that "Vaccum" means nothing, but now its proved that its far from it.. Vaccum has particles which constantly go in and out of existance and also can produce light (energy) becoming real photons from virtual photons. This is tip of the iceberg.. lots more that we dont know and dont understand. In such case I guess GOD's potential should not be argued by us "wannabe know it all" infantiles. BTW What we take if for granted like a TV and remote control could have have made you into GOD just 200 years back.

  • v2fftb

    I apologize but i couldn't understand your last statement. Can u explain, i would be grateful

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKXDVFWWAJT3ST6DXKX4JEVWMY j

    Allah guides who he wants, so do not bash your head trying to convince each other . As the quran says, to you your religion and to me mine. That means leave each other alone and live in peace. But a informative dialogue is always healthy for both sides. Who ever said exchange of knowledge is wrong.

  • 52donny

    Countless people through history have used relegion as an excuse for war or to supress "less" informed people but those people choose what parts of religion best helps thier own personal goals. Terrorism continues because of the complete lack of respect for other religions. I believe the war on terror was just, but not to the extent of complete invation of afghanistan and the Iraq war wasn't about the war on terror. I think we have done enough in the middle east to grow a whole new crop of terrorists as it is. To loosely quote Ron Paul, If you think that terrorists are attacking us because we are the greatest country in the world your living in a fairytale, i don't always agree with him but he is honest. I don't believe in any religion myself but encourage people to follow whatever they believe in, as long as they don't hurt other people, its freedom of religion. To pigeon hole all muslims as terrorists is wrong no matter how you spin it. There are still many instances of terrorism other than by muslims in recent years. Lets stop stereotyping and go after the individual people that commit these crimes instead.

  • Lord_Kral

    Very good.. but it would have been nice if they went over the Sunni/Shia split and the differences between them...

  • http://twitter.com/mafkhan1980 Fahad Khan

    listen to Zakir Naik to clear your thoughts about Islam

  • Sieben Stern

    "Muhammad did not believe in God. He used him as a tool to fool people. If he really believed in God he would not have dared to attribute so many lies to him."

    I've heard that put many different ways, but it's always a sock in the gut. If they really believed in hell and judgement, theists would certainly act differently....

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    Hello, i read your reply but am unable to figure out why did you sent those to me? I know all this and have read a lot of documents regarding it. Any way, Good work and may Allah reward you for your effort.

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    Well as I have been reading your long lengthy post dealing with the subject of Shia and Sunni division. As you went on explaining it and pasting some information about Mohammed that He was not a Peaceful guy and so on.
    Let me give you some inside about his life and the circumstances he faced in His early life and how He ove-come all the impossible in a manner where He left no conflict at all even after His death. Mohammed as you said was not a peaceful guy. All right one can say that without knowing about him, or some one ignorant don’t even know what he is talking about can also say that, or some retard who has little knowledge but pretend to know everything, can also claim it. Allow me to clear your misconception, it will not be as lengthy as your, I will try to make my point in very simple way as i can.
    Here we go: Mohammed as you said was not peaceful.
    What do you expect from a person who is continuously being bullied by some tyrants?
    Why can Mohammed not defend himself without being labelled as “not peaceful guy”?

    Tell me, if I slap you in front of your wife and children, humiliate you in the public, spit on your face, drive you away from your own house, banned you from the society because you want to practice your God given right say freedom of choice, how would you react?
    If you answer this question honestly, you will know why you labelled Mohammed as not a peaceful guy.

    Mohammed killed Jews of Medina: Hmm, it is a historical fact no one can deny and Muslims do not deny it at all as they know it happened and there was an explanation.
    According to the Historians from both western and Islamic, between Muslims and Jews there was a pact a treaty signed in order to defend Median as one if any one attack. Jews on this particular situation betrayed not only the treaty but entire population of Medina, betrayed and backstabbed Mohammed, disrespected the pact, jeopardise the security of Medina. In other word Jews were working with the enemy to desrtoy the entire population of Muslim.

    So, what happens if a CIA agent leaks some classified information to the enemy of the state/country? What happens if a veteran backstabs his own Govt.?
    What would happen to you if you were charged with treason?

    Now the sex scandals of Mohammed: So you say he had sex with a six year old girl and you take the Hadith for granted, you believe that Hadith is right, then why don’t you believe the other parts of Hadith which says he was the chosen one, that he was the last messenger and true leader of mankind? Why don’t you believe those hadith which advocate Mohammed being the super human if you believe the Hadith which also says that Mohammed married a nine years old girl? Sina is a coward, never accepted any challenge to debate and showcase his own research and ability. Even a rat makes more sense than Sina and his puppets. All they can do is pick a part which favour them and ignore the other. Sina made dumb out of you and many others.
    So, to accept the entire Hadith would not make sense to you but part of it, which says something you like it does not matter if it is completely out of context. Lol.
    I don’t think you know any thing about Islam or Mohammed, you are just one of the retard i mentioned earlier. Go get a life and try to read and reason with your own understanding, find someone who can explain to you and guide you through the sacred scriptures.

    P.S. Hadith were collected by many people, one of them was Bukhari, who travelled all around the middle east. The possibility is very high that Hadith which were often given for an award in return were corrupted by men. Abu bakr offered money to any one who have ever heard Mohammed saying anything any where, in exchange for money. Now if you were in need of money you can go to Abu Bakr and say whatever you want and get rewarded.

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    Calling an idiot "idiot" is an act of truth. I got to say what truth is if i have investigate the fact. I do not go runnig after people, nor i pick fight, all i did is answered an IDIOT who needed to know that he is indeed an IDIOT. I practiced my freedom of speach in the same way some one go out and insults a person worthy of being admired. You would not mind and would not alter there thoughts but you would certainly banned my openion if i call someone who was insulting my faith an IDIOT. I hope you know what it is called?
    The guy i answered here happen to be my first post here, i can not understand why every where when people say something absolutely rubish about Islam is tolerated in the name of freedom of speach and some one who answered that retard is edited by people like you? Who are you to limit my view which actualy does justice but leave the other who is actually crossing the limit where freedom of speach becomes freedom to insult?
    People like you cant stand people like me, for my understanding all your points are actually not even clear to yourself. You are playing blind here, pretending to be know all, advocating things which you dont not understand in first place. Copy paste even a kid of 6 years old can do as precisely as you can. But that does not make the kid cleaver or intelligent. Atleast not in my openon.

    Not only you cant creat life, there is none living today can do it, not even those so called top notch scientist sitting in there lab can do that. Thats the funny part, after knowing every thing about DNA, how it is made, the elements, the function etc. these helpless people of science still are as puzzle as they were at te beginnig.

    Look, i do not disagree with the basic of the evolution, i agree we all came out of the water, i just disagree with all thos bogus fatcs which tells us that a living microorganism just came to be out of nothing. As i have said many time, nothing can produce nothing.
    What Darwin said what other followers of Darwins are saying is same as cow dung in my country hanging on the wall becomes a center of attrction by the westerners, thniking how the hel in the world a Cow can shit on the Wall like that. LOL.

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    You are right, but you know some people will just try you untill you react in a way which is not yours. Thats what happen to me when i read somthing here firt time and over reacted, yet i have no regrets as i only defended my own understanding. But thanks for your advise.

  • http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/about/ Vlatko

    @911_was_an_Inside_Job,

    You don't understand what is ad hominem either do you?

    When you label a person, attack his personality, rather than his arguments it is called ad hominem, and you're full of it.

    So don't call people idiots. This is one subtle example of your insults:

    "People like you cant stand people like me, for my understanding all your points are actually not even clear to yourself."

    It doesn't matter who am I, or what kind of person am I, what is clear or not to me. What counts is the discussion, the arguments. But I suppose you don't understand that.

    "Not only you cant creat life, there is none living today can do it, not even those so called top notch scientist sitting in there lab can do that."

    You're still clinging to this. I've said many times before. No, I can't create life, and no one can. But that is not going in your faith's favor. It doesn't prove or disprove anything, whatsoever. I suppose you have nothing else to add.

    "Copy paste even a kid of 6 years old can do as precisely as you can."

    I believe I first warned you about copying and pasting someone else's opinions. So who is being 6 years old kid now?

    "Look, i do not disagree with the basic of the evolution, i agree we all came out of the water, i just disagree with all thos bogus fatcs which tells us that a living microorganism just came to be out of nothing."

    Now you're changing your stand, and you're still openly displaying your ignorance. Abiogenesis (which is not a solid theory) is not suggesting that the microorganisms came out of nothing. Please educate yourself.

    So what can I say. All your points still fail miserably.

  • 911_was_an_Inside_Job

    Wait a second, im worried here about our way of talking to each other, i see it going out of control. I am saying sorry to you and to those whom i ever isulted and stopping this useless talk for good. Please forgive me if you can. Good bye.

  • S_A_Y

    Erm, have not read all the comments here but just to clarify, Mohammed did not have sex with a six year old girl. The most valid sources explain he was officially married to Aisha when she was nine, but did not start a proper relationship with her, including a sexual one, until she had reached puberty. We should all bear in mind 1400 years ago a girl in puberty would have been mentally and emotionally mature enough for marriage as society and upbringing was completely different to today. And this was not only the case in the middle east but all around the world.

  • v2fftb

    You know what? I have been visiting this forum for 3 days now regularly and watching you guys fight. But i had no idea how to stop you guys. Good grief that you understood

  • v2fftb

    True dude. Quite true. This documentary got many flaws and contain wrong knowledge.

  • english100

    the only group of people and culture who understands the creators message and his prophets are africans, we europeans never understands the concept of GOD and divinity and when we comes into contact with any religions we mess it up with politics the only culture we understand. when i visit africa and began studying the people, their cultures and religion i see deep spirituality, these people posses spirituality in them something that most other cultures or people lack. so my point is, if we want to understand today's religions or scriptures we should refer back to africa and her cultures to enable us get a better understanding as it seems all evidence points to her being the source and concept of god or creator. if we do not get to the source we will remain confused and messed up like we already are..........

  • v2fftb

    I cannot agree more.. But this spirituality is not limited to Africans only, you can find this in South Asians and in some middle east places too

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hakim-Djaoudar/100002574655560 Hakim Djaoudar

    muhamed wanted to kill him self !!!!!!(part 2 4.50)
    from where did you get that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hakim-Djaoudar/100002574655560 Hakim Djaoudar

    gradualy he started to beleive he is a profet reeeeeeeeally !!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hakim-Djaoudar/100002574655560 Hakim Djaoudar

    this documentary is full of lies and here is an advice when you talk about bible you don't get muslims to tell you about well it is the about coran bring a muslim schooler that is objectivite

  • francisco sa

    Why people around the world need a God to respect the others ? See God in each of your fellow brothers here below on earth and that we'll make you feel better. Religion as shown in this doc is mostly urgent social regulation. Anyway we must have all respect for the beliefs of all religions.

  • AbdelZ

    These videos contain a lots of errors , ignorance , simplism , stereotypes, lies , historic inaccuracy ...concerning islam , moslims & their history , unfortunately enough: very poor videos.

    The makers of these videos were only interested in their own hypothesis concerning whether islam encourages violence or not ...silly assumption really .

    Well, when muslims or others are oppressed , attacked , humiliated.....they have the internationally recognized human right to defend themselves against western israeli &other imperialism : one does not need the Qur'an for just that .

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Samir-Rot/595998917 Samir Rot

    why they do not represent the opinions of the most intelligent brains in the history of sceince and knowlege?
    they pick informations witch are oly able to make pictures in the way to make pepeole believe what they want,for exampel like in kinda garden. teaching pectures not knowledge.this method holds pepeol from real perceptions,people of the western world must be carefull and they must protect the quality of the understanding because actuelly knowledge is generally confused with information and most of people are looking for information or experience,not knowledge,they do not find knowledge.
    in this video the ignorent persons are using a sireous vioce with hepocryt caractér,traying to give bad image to islam and to plant a seeds of what against submission to ALLAH.
    those who are attractedby externals,who look for the outward signs of teachership,who rely on emotion in studies or watching like this kind of videos(kinndagarden videos)or reading any book they might choose are the pond-flies of the islam reality and it tradition,they skip and skim upon the surface.Because they have words for´profound`and `significant`,they think,incorrectly,that they know these experience.This is why we say that,for practical purposes,they know nothing.
    they should know that the essence of islam or submission to the Will of the creature of the heveans and earth and what between them is superior to the terminology of How? or why? .

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002763334752 Connie Buckley Smith

    Thanks, you convinced me to watch this video by your refusal to believe true facts.

  • AbdelZ

    What facts are you talking about , before even watching that video ,
    this is obviously no question .

  • Abjective

    I would recommend a few Islamic scholars for the non-muslim audience, whether they be Atheist, Jew or Christian. There is too many misconceptions associated with Islam. Sheikh Hamza Yusuf, Sheikh Imran Hossain, Sheikh Khalid Yasin, Ahmed Deedat and Dr. Zakir Naik just to name a few exceptional inspirational speakers especially for the western audience clear up these ill judements made by the critics, media and illiterates which influence and turn the mass populas of society to believing the hype.

    All you need is to be open minded and non judgemental and start analyzing the facts and not fiction. Infact do your own research if you feel sceptical about what these Islamic scholars say. If you listen with a little attension, you would be shocked to know the real facts about Islam including Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism. These schoars i have mentioned clarify the truth from fiction.

    I would say Dr Zakir Naik would be good to listen to escecially to the logical type of minds and common reasoning. He covers science in Islam and comparitive religion as well as many others, he tells the real truth about Christianity with precise quotes from both Quran and Bible,Torah and Hindu scriptures as well as many other sources of texts which would make any sceptic do there reseach for them selves and come to find what is genuine truth and you will find Islam prevails.

    Sheikh Hamza Yusuf is a motivational speaker, as well as the ones i have mentioned. These can easily be found on site called Youtube. They will have some kind of impact to your belief system.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sero.yagmur1 Sero Yagmur

    these guys makin a big mistake here the Quran was already written,the revelations were hadiths that they wrote down after the holy prophet Muhammad(saw) past away.

  • mohammad yasser

    Not sure if this has been commented earlier, but the Qur'an is not organized according to the length of its chapters. I stopped watching the video as it is unreliable; after all it is from History channel!

  • shayyan Ahmed

    'Words' my friends are the problem. What ever you say and however you say won't reach the other person un-manipulated. Visuals and experiences on the other hand are more reliable. Better go and experience for yourself instead of playing around with words!!

  • UnwrittenAxiom

    This corrupt video is blasphemous, from the beginning it shows symbolic pentagrams and the Illuminati's all seeing eye in back of the dollar bill.
    Those secret societies want to disrupt the message. On the otherhand I am glad that enough of us got to expose it. I truly regret trusting the video first before reading the comments our Ummah put down. and For the people who find the Quran too complicated for their soul to grasp.............................
    Get Real. It is you who needs Allah(Only 1 God) not the contrary. From the way you guys try to sound i can feel the coward slipping out, if you want a cure Try some secret math first.

  • http://www.facebook.com/daveewer David Ewer

    I've read it and rate about equal with the Mormon Bible

  • Antidiot

    anyone st*pid enough to watch anything regarding anything by the history channel, is by definition, an id**t

  • http://www.facebook.com/qais.ibrahim1 Qais Ibrahim

    all muslims believe that jesus (peace be upon him) is slave and prophet messenger of the on almighty god just like muhammed (peace be upon him)

  • ssijaz

    people who wake up from temporal lob seizures do not remeber what happens during that and they are not as elequent as Quranic language is. Any stupid will believe that.

  • AnaLorenaVictor

    Quran is trash. Is the word of ONE MAN, who said only he had a revelation of Allah and no one else in history has ever talk or listen to this so called god. In contrast the Bible was written by several men who have heard God or were writing the experience of someone that has heard God, or have witness an interaction with God; The Bible is the work of several men who had an experience with God and not just one man claiming to be the only one. These men, wrote also about the same things in their own style and they match, prohpecies in the Bible have been fulfilled and it talks about a God who became like us and died for his people in order to bring them back. That's love. Not a god who wants his people to die for them like the so called Allah. Allah talks about lying, beating, killing. The God of the Bible talks about love, grace, compassion, mercy, peace and understanding.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1079316825 Trent Keele

    "Each person understanding of the scripture, is his own."

    My ass.

  • http://www.facebook.com/israyil.hasan Israyil Hasan

    Hi, you don't have a minimum knowledge of The Qura'an. It is a perfect, flawless and correct book. You have to read it and understand it to realize the core of it. The Eenjil (The Bible) is also a holy book and was a collection of Creator's (God's) words. But after prophet Eesa (Jesus) has been picked up by the Creator the Bible has been rewritten by different writers and the words of the Creator have been changed gradually. Eesa (Jesus) will come back again in the earth at the eleventh hour of the Earth and he will lead the mankind according to The Quran and The Hadis.

    Thanks. Wish your good luck.

  • NaemaTheNInja

    SERIOUSLY WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??!! IF YOU CAME HERE TO BE A HATER ABOUT ISLAM THEN EXIT THIS WEB PAGE!! AND LEAVE!! IT'S SIMPLE.But if you came here sincerely to learn about Islam and most of all the most beautiful and pure Qur'an you can sure stay. Be at least respectful towards religions especially Islam my religion and I am proud! Okay? keep your hash and hateful comment to yourself. Some are just too blinded my hate and jealousy since Islam is the right religion and the fastest. SCORE!!!

    But sadly this channel is not exactly right with the information especially the guy with the glasses so this is not a very reliable source to learn about Islam. :/

  • Giacomo della Svezia

    Naema, you're apparently filled with rage about the opinions of other people about your religion. They are just opinions, no better or worse than yours or mine, which I will spare you.
    I'd like to know more about the information you mention being wrong, for that's the only really interesting part of your comment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000657484356 Ashwin Acharya

    is earth flat? are thr angels flying in air ? r thr magician beings granting u ur wish?

  • Dave Watson

    You speak about The Qu'ran and The Bible with the authority of a scholar, but have very obviously not read either in their entirety.

  • reaz mohmed

    I'm not Muslim, and I find your comment very ignorant. Have you actually read the bible or any of its forerunners in their entirety ? For if you did, you would certainly not think very highly of this "GOD" you speak of. Furthermore, for all we know, there could be additional books of the bible that describe this "GOD" to be further of a sh*t head, that the council of nicea didn't deem to be fit for the image they were building. I think, your time will be better spent in not following the apocryphal works of men (bible, torrah, qu'uran) and focus your remaining days on this world by educating yourself in the natural sciences (Physics, Biology, Chemistry).

  • irishizan

    lying, beating, killing ? Obviously you pay no attention to the Old Testament !!!! And nowhere in the Quran does Mohammad claim that he is the only person who has heard God. It is the same message being reminded to all Children of Abraham who are not paying attention to what is right.

  • salhi

    Some of the ideas in this documentary are not accurate. The documentary argues that the verses of the Koran were learnt by heart and never set on paper. That's not accurate. The Koran was already recorded on paper during the time of its revealation, but it's the collection of these various texts and compiling them into one text that had to be done after the death of the prophet.

  • jukker

    I find it very interesting that so many Muslims become so upset if you "insult" their religion to the point where they will use this "insult" to justify a violent response to the insulter. If your god really was powerful enough to create this universe then he does not need our praise and respect. I do not believe in any of it and it enrages me that they are people who would want to hurt me because I believe that their religion is crap. I think that a truly mature person would be able to say, "well that's your loss, for rejecting the truth" and move on, It seems that in the present world muslim men cannot do that, instead they try to physically punish anyone, who "disrespects the prophet". A case in point was the publication of cartoons about mohammed that lead to property being destroyed and people being killed. It is this attitude of "if you don't show respect to my god I will kill you" that makes me despise all religions and have nothing but contempt for many modern day practitioners of islam

  • Aasiyah Sattar

    Jukker if you can give me an example of any other religion that is so staunch and steadfast in their beliefs and is so passionate in what they believe in please do show me. We do not call ourselves muslims for the sake of being born into a religion that we wudn't follow or abide to. When we call each other brothers and sisters in Islam, no matter what country a muslim may be in or whether we would ever meet that person or not, if tragedy strikes or war is upon us, i guarantee that somewhere in the world or better yet the rest of the world there are muslim's lifting their hands in prayer followed by a trail of tears. Our religion teaches us compassion to such a point that a Coptic Christian church was being protected by muslims in Egypt two weeks ago. The muslim men made a human chain in front of the church to prevent it being damaged during the massacre, there was no other men present not even christians (please do google it for reference). If we can't safe guard the word of god and the his sacred teachings, then who will ? In conclusion god is god, he's called by many different names and prayed to in many different ways. The distances and measures we would go to, to protect the word of god so that in later years our childrens children would have that same teachings and honourable upbringing to live a life of purity, generosity and so many other positive things. Why should we deprive them ?Driving them into sin and evil? So no there is no justification violence and killings that has been done by muslims or having a good enough reason to do it, in the end of it all anger cannot defeat anger. Yet i can't see reason as to why muslims would want to hurt you other then the fact that maybe you had committed a violent act to one of them on a personal level. We would not cause violent acts for a mere reason of not having to believe in our god or our religion, why should we when every human being has a right of opinion and choice, all we ask for is that little respect to not be vocal and criticise something you have no knowledge of , which your mimicng the hatred of what's being heard. Most recent disaster Syria after nearly 2 yrs 1 million refugees. Over 100000 civilians killed an now the dictator assad uses poison on kids. And still the world watches. Unlike IRAQ. LIBYA. Syria has no oil. How does bombing Syria becomes the right thing for the United States. This is what Barak Obama said at a press conference at the White House, a short while ago.

    G20 summit next week is where Obama is now going to discuss the matter with world leaders. All in the interest of America, don't forget.

    German Muslim scholar replies on TERRORISM ...I liked the answer of this German Muslim scholar when he was asked about terrorism and Islam :He said :Who started the first world war? not Muslims ?Who started the second world war ? not Muslims ?Who killed about 20 millions of Aborigines in Australia ? not Muslims ??Who sent the nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? not Muslims ??Who...

    Today : 2 boys starve to death in cutoff town: Two children died Saturday in the suburbs of the Syrian capital . SNHR reported 466 children killed in #Syria in January 2013, an average of over 15 children per day:SO I ASK ?? Who is willing to be vocal for the kids that have died not even knowing what politics surrounded them at that time. Who is willing to criticize and be heard for kids who wrongfully played in the street while a war was happening ? Where was the web page which would slander or voice their opinions on the wrong that occur's. While we sit and criticize religion committing blasphemy , there's innocent women and children in the middle of a gun war initiated by men sitting behind their fancy desk, still having their fancy lunches and probably relaxing in their fancy baths with bubble bath, while a mother carries her three year old bloody wounded lifeless body to a place of safety. And you ask why muslim's get all worked up when we called terrorist and get accused for war and for forcing our religion which we refuse to merge with the “westonised” world. We refuse to believe the righteousness of killing innocent people would better the economy of a country. We will not pray to a government who continuously blind fold their people into believing that their acts of war is for the people and that muslims are the enemy. We live a life created by our god and live the life he has chosen for us and which is written for us 1400 years ago which will never alter or change. So they may strip us of our Islamic wear to satisfy them in believing that they closer to their "One World Order", but in actual fact you have to cut out our organs to achieve that. The love we have for our religion we would gladly close our eyes while they rip us apart. There's only one thing that life can guarantee and that is "every soul shall have a taste of death" So if you still confuse as to why muslims get so worked up? While the war in Syria is still happening as we debate on which religion is better then the other, muslims come together in all corners of the earth planning on how to get funds,medical assistance and food for those victims caught in a crossfire of "powerful men and their ego's". When the rich wage war its the poor who die. Tell me what does the rest of the world do at times other then watch the news in amazement for a few minutes and later go on with their lives? So before you call something that's godly "crap" walk a mile in a muslims shoes and redirect your anger at the creator's of this anarchy

  • Yaroslava Sydorenko

    This film is very cognitive. I have a deep respect to the Muslim culture and Islamic religion and both of them trying to provide a peace and rapport between people. And Quran - really GREAT book with wise words. But, unfortunately, not everyone have abilities to understand verses in a right way, without distortion of holy words.

  • Mona Hamed

    I completely understand and appreciate your sentiment. I am a Muslim and I believe that Islam does not teach its practitioners to attack those who do not practice Islam. I believe everyone has the right to believe whatever they want to believe. The Quran itself, in one of the verses, says: "They have their faith and you have yours." That is it. Therefore, I think that when a large number of Muslims physically attack others for not being Muslim or for insulting Islam, it actually defeats the purpose of Islam itself (which literally means peace).

  • jos1

    I was a hindu who became a muslim after many years of studying islam.the quran says THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION, TRUTH STANDS OUT FROM FALSEHOOD.
    I am in agreement with your comments but theseare attitudes expressed mainly by Ignorant or extreme muslims.you must remember that IF you are insulting the true God and his prophets there will be consequenses even if you are ignorant of this.
    I can with certainty tell you that this is the true religion of the one GOD , but its up to you to search the evidence and accept the truth when ou see Iit.

  • Hajar Saidi

    I totaly agree with you . the ability to understand verses in a right way is what make Quran beautiful but there is a lot of people including some muslums do not fully understand the great meaning of this holly book

  • Greg Baugher

    All Religion breeds Separation and that sucks big time. Its bad enough that our government does it daily. Get over it, their is no god, its only a lie someone taught you to keep you in line and controlled. Nothing more than that. Their is no hell either except what has been created in your mind.

  • Greg Baugher

    If the Koran is about Peace then why do these people strap BOMBS on their children and send them to blow up and murder jews and others? Try answering this question that is factual and happens every day and will never end as long as religion breeds more fearful people.
    Would you blow up your child to kill people you don't even know???
    Its all bull and its Bad for you to indoctrinate your self and your children with this fear based bull. And on and on it goes, sadly.

  • Tariq khan

    I have never in my 20 years of living have ever met a muslim: man, woman, child ever say that's what islam tells people to do. Show me one quote by a scholar or even in the qu'ran that says to "strap bombs on your children". I understand your parents didn't raise you right and your favourite tv show is probably fox news, but please keep your nasty propaganda to your self.

  • Tariq khan

    Muslims were the first people to say the earth is round... not sure what your talking about for the rest of your comment :/

  • Tariq khan

    The Qu'ran isn't that hard to understand... i don't know arabic 100% so i read the qu'ran's that have the english translations on the side. Which make it very easy to understand.

  • Tariq khan

    Scientists who were muslims* wikipedia isnt considered a source

  • over the edge

    please show me the errors in this particular wiki article? also if you read the link you would see that the discoveries were long before Islam ever began.

  • Yaroslava Sydorenko

    That's right!
    And...Islam is perfect, muslims are not...

  • Bruno Villela

    Why does US bombs a country every year? Are you from texas? Get out of that box man.

  • goolgappa5

    Most of the prophet came in middle east to teach them how to live and they still dont understand...if you betray the prophet of God how you will be HIS. Good folower same thing happen to all prophet even Mohammad next 500 years people i mean so called muslim killed all His family even his Daughter Fatima and her Two sond and did not gave Fatima which belong to her mother and father and given to her by prophet of God in writing..Muslim dont have any enemy its Munafiq muslims likeSaudies are Islams enemy...

  • Gilgamish

    stoning of adulterers is spelled out in Qur'an???? WHERE!

    This documentary is full of wrong stuff and skips many stuff and it is very general i.e. it is not about Qur'an but about history which is based on many accounts that might be true or false.

    Also, since when murderers are muslims? Just cause a certain axis of evil proclaims extremists as muslims does not mean that they are!

  • Gilgamish

    Dude, muslims are the number one victims of bombings carried out by weapons and ideologies nurtured and protected by U KNOW WHO.