Unholy War
Dispatches investigates the violence and intimidation facing Muslims who convert to Christianity in Britain. Dispatches reporter Antony Barnett meets former Muslims who now live under the threat of reprisals from their former communities. Many are still living in fear. He interviews a family who have been driven out of their home and a convert whose brother was beaten close to death.
The investigation uncovers a network of churches supporting converts from Islam who have to worship under a veil of secrecy. It is estimated there are as many as 3,000 Muslims who have converted to Christianity living in Britain.
Converting to another religion for a Muslim is not just considered a taboo act by some believers. Certain Islamic texts demand converts – also known as apostates – be punished severely for deserting their faith. In several Islamic states, the death penalty is imposed. Here in Britain, Dispatches discovers a form of mob justice is taking place on our streets. A concerned Christian bishop tells Dispatches that it may not be long before a British convert is killed, and implores Muslim leaders to take action. (Excerpt from channel4.com)
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It’s everywhere the same.
Islam is the most dangerous form of brainwashing.
It’s the religion of the antichrist.
All religion are basically covertly or overtly anti-human but all are pro-alien/god/divinity/etc.
Its same for all religions. Christians coverted to islam have greater threats and fears which are not shown on media. Btw christians put cross all the times on thier necks on which jesus was crucified, it means christians are antichrist. Simple maths
I wish both Christianity and Islam preached more about love, peace, and acceptance.
Dre… did you ever think it’s just a religion that has some extreme laws and etc, that has nothing to do with an anti-christ…
this is inbelievable, how is islam the anti-christ when jesus is as much of a prophet to us as muhammed? we don’t believe he’s the son of god, but everything else is the same as christianity with jesus. leviticus is FULL of these same “extreme laws” in the old testament, so before you all go on about how we’re extremists, look at your own religion. no religion is morally right, but it doesn’t mean we all go around doing these things that people find extreme. every religion has extremists as well, look at the westboro baptist chuch, they’re christian extremists.
don’t let cattle graze with other kinds of cattle. – leviticus 19:19
don’t have a variety of crops on the same field. – leviticus 19:19
don’t wear clothes made of more than one fabric. – leviticus 19:19
don’t cut your hair nor shave. – leviticus 19:27
any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. – leviticus 20:9
if a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. – Leviticus 20:10
if a man sleeps with his father’s wife, both him and his father’s wife is to be put to death. – leviticus 20:11
if a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. – leviticus 20:14
if a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. – leviticus 20:15-16
if a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be cut off from their people. – leviticus 20:18
psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. – leviticus 20:27
if a priest’s daughter is a *****, she is to be burnt at the stake. – leviticus 21:9
people who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of god. – leviticus 21:17-18
anyone who curses or blasphemes god, should be stoned to death by the community. – leviticus 24:14-16
let’s not forget deuteronomy!!!
anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against god, or anyone who tries to turn you from god, is to be put to death. – deuteronomy 13:5
if anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another god, kill them. – deuteronomy 13:6-10
if you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it’s inhabitants, even the animals. – deuteronomy 13:12-15
kill anyone with a different religion. – deuteronomy 17:2-7
before all of you start mocking islam, look at your own religion. athiests, that means you too. you say you don’t follow a religion, but athiesm is very much as much a religion as mormons, and scientology. if you say to yourself “well, we don’t follow those rules”, than just how much of a christian are you? not much really. it’s funny how islam is the newest religion, yet the only unchanged and truely old religion, moreso than christianity.
“look at the westboro baptist chuch, they’re christian extremists.” They may (are) extreme in their interpretation, but could someone show me where even these nuts have blown themselves up in the name of Christ and taken others with them?
You’re citing passages from the Bible and apparently do not know what they’re about. For one thing, they’re all OLD testament, back in the days when Israel was under a THEOCRACY. Christianity is a theocracy NOWHERE in the world. It was at one time, and when professors of Christ went astray, well, God took them out (hence, there are no Christian theocracies today).
But your Allah cannot even keep his own people in line!
In fact, he’s so impotent, he doesn’t even punish Osama Bin Laden.
Christianity did not even exist at the time of the Old Testament.
don’t let cattle graze with other kinds of cattle. – leviticus 19:19 and there’s something wrong with this? How is this extreme? For the record, you don’t mix herds.
don’t have a variety of crops on the same field. – leviticus 19:19 If you understood anything about horticulture you would know why this one.
don’t wear clothes made of more than one fabric. – leviticus 19:19- and this is extremist how???? I wear only 100% cotton. I’m rash-free but hardly an extremist lol
don’t cut your hair nor shave. – leviticus 19:27 Again, how is this extreme?
any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. – leviticus 20:9 This is where a good bible study could help you, dude. To “curse” ones parents back then wasn’t about cussing at the old man, it was to DISHONOR them. And not by dating someone they didn’t like. It’s about trying to harm your parents physically.
if a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. – Leviticus 20:10 Equal rights! Yeah bubba! But in Islam, the woman gets stoned while the man walks in 99.9% of the cases.
if a man sleeps with his father’s wife, both him and his father’s wife is to be put to death. – leviticus 20:11 Again we are talking a theocracy here. Hey, guess why you don’t have sex with your papas wife? Dude, are you condoning the Ptolemies???
You’re again referencing a historical theocracy which no longer exists and hasn’t existed for thousands of years. The old testament includes all of this, not so that we’ll DO it, but so that we will appreciate GRACE and forgiveness all the more!
my whole point behind it wasn’t that christians are worse or anything like that, but that people seem to overlook strange parts in religion that have been changed to be more “accepted” in more modern times. just because there are little bits and pieces that can be picked out of the quran to justify what these extremists are doing, doesn’t mean the remaining 1.5-1.7 billion muslims believe the same thing. different christian sects have extremist tendencies also. you’re response i’m sure from your comments left would be “but they haven’t done anything”. alright, well put yourself in some of those extremists’ shoes. i’m not AT ALL advocating, or saying that they are at all right for anything they do. i disagree completely with them in all ways, but if your race/religion was intruded on, or segregated to the point where you looked like animals, were bashed, and all of this stuff, would you not feel hatred towards the enemy? sure you would, but not enough to do anything “extreme”. now put yourself in the percentage of the christian extremists which do exist, they would feel provoked enough to do something extreme! but this isn’t happening, because christians aren’t the enemy, it’s the muslims. they didn’t just wake up one day and decide to do all this ****** **** with blowing themselves up. televangelists across north america preach hatred towards muslims (not all, but some if you look it up) and in SOME cases, advocate doing anything to rid of these people, it doesn’t get into specifics, but to RID a majority of people because they don’t believe what you believe? it’s nonsense, and this stuff is looked over because christians aren’t the enemy, muslims are. people walk into those chruches in the thousands because they believe in christianity, and obviously agree with the preaching, that’s just breeding more hatred, and intolerance for the future! there are a few thousand extremists out of a billion and a half muslims, yet you ask any uneducated non-muslim what they’re opinion is about us, and they’d say what? we blow ourselves up, blah blah blah. same old story because of peoples ignorance. and “our allah” is god. the quran originates in arabic, therefore we wouldn’t call him god because god is an english term for him, we call him allah. allah doesn’t preach or teach in the quran, it’s the prophet muhammed. that is again another intolerant act upon you. i’ll admit defeat in the fact that some things i mentioned from the old testament aren’t “radical” or “extreme”, but keep in mind that a small percentage (we’re talking about decimals here) of muslims want to do crazy extremist things, yet we all get grouped together as radicalists because some people want to do something they believe is right in the name of a religion of a billion and a half people. if you’re ignorant enough to generalize us as being the same way all together, then there is obviously nothing to get through to you about. haven’t you ever heard the expression to never judge a book by its cover? to pretty much know what you’re talking about before saying something so ‘set in stone’? common sense in this case is obviously not so common.
The DOCUMENTARY: This documentary didn’t even seem extreme to me. They did show the one imam that at least publicly espoused totally non-violent action. They were harsh on evangelical Christians trying to convert Muslims through what they thought were deceptive means. They showed both side; it’s not politically correct to go against Islam in this day and age. It’s very brave of them to do this documentary. They did a good job.
Note: Shame on the Caleb Project for not sticking to their guns! There is nothing wrong with helping and “targeting” the needed with the goal of winning as many as we can to Christ, Muslim or not. They let fear get the better of them there.
To Casey: After reading your comments, you have to also remember that many young women have been killed as an “honor killing” for not just converting to Christianity but whatever else they’ve done to dishonor Islam. Who knows how many are uncounted in Islamic states alone. Isn’t there even one girl in the news now in the U.S.A. afraid to go home for fear of death for her new Christian faith? She’s serious when she says that she thinks they will kill her.
The character of God remains unchanged; the Old Testament laws were so strict, because God was trying to prevent “moral tooth decay” that would totally destroy the nation of Israel and bring his judgment upon them prematurely. Unfortunately, like us all, were judged for sin and lost their nation needlessly eventually many years later.
God still hates sin (it still holds the “death penilty” for the soul), but judgment is postponed now until we face God personally after death (for the most part).
Many of the Levitical laws were brilliant for thier time, like not touching dead bodies (and separation of those that did), and burying your poop when you used the restroom in the camp; they prevented disease and had very good reasons for them.
The reason for the restrictions on physically deformed people in the temple and especially a priest’s role was because it was before the time of Christ’s “covering” for all of our “imperfections,” of which the chief is sin. I could look it up, and it does sound a bit harsh, but God also said that he looks at the heart, while man was the one that looked at the outward appearence (like in the selection of King David over his brothers).
Those unlucky people were not forbidden from salvation, but access to the temple and service only; remember the sore covered and crippled Lazareth was the one that went to Heaven in Jesus’ story while the wealthy rich man did not. Trust God’s judgments and instructions; they are based in love, not hate. I’m not so confident to say such about Islam’s priciples. Have you watched the documentary here on this website: “What the West Needs to Know about Islam”?
some gritty stuff. in my opinion any religon is as bad as the other. believe what u want, but dont go about ‘saving’ people who dont want anything to do with it.
Religions are like paths toward a mountain,wherever you are is your starting point if you intend to climb and get to the summit of that mountain.In essence you cant leave your starting point and seek another.What am implying is religions are one among many ways of attaining self-esteem or self realization or maturity.The representation may appear to be different but the purpose is the same,it doesnt really matter which religion you belong to,it doesnt even matter if you are atheist or theist.In that regard theres no point in converting,but its also absurd when people attack others just because theyve decided to leave your religion,because it simply means you the attacker you have no slight idea of your religion,you are worse of than the person who has left your institution/box.
@Leah Walker
question:who did the Oklahoma city bombing
what was that guys name?
was he Muslim?
Religion is as silly as Vanilla Ice in the 90′s
I came across a book called “why christianity must change or risk dying” by a Bishop John spong.Originally since human beings did not understand the nature and external/internal environment as we know today or as people advanced in conciousness slightly before stone age,through the sone age and after stone age.Human beings could not really comprehend what was taking place around them,as they formed early government they did not have police to enforce laws and that how their leaders invented God or gods.
The society that i come from before the whiteman brought us his version of God jesus blabla,we had our own means of enforcing laws by using the a God and curses if one transgressed certain laws.But as with whiteman religion whenever a person trangressed the law it was not the Gods who punished him but Men!The best way to describe God is-an imaginary tool of enforcing the laws.
Does the modern man need God,i can say yes to some degree to compliment other tools of enforcing the laws like police,cctv etc.
But if really a person wants to understand him/herself there no need of imaginary deity,one should accept he is here by him/herself.
Someday we will all answer to one God and then we will know what His religion. I just wish we could all get along until then.
Jazakallah Khair
The Bible also orders death for those who convert to other religions.
Deuteronomy
13:6 “If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.”
what if …after this life is all over the only one to answer and judge your sins is your own self …how will you judge your self?
Casey…
If you are to understand being a true follower of Christ (so that you can attempt to break it down)…
You must first realize that the sacrifice of GOD (Yahweh) of his son (JESUS) on the cross is the BASIS of our FAITH. He died so that we did not have to suffer the judgments of the OLD TESTAMENT. JESUS’ Crucifixion… The BLOOD OF THE LAMB… He washed our sins away. He became THE WAY, that replaced the LAW (the old testament) into HEAVEN.
“No one reaches the FATHER, Except THRough ME” -JESUS
The old testament is just a historical account – not the our guidebook of rules to reach heaven
-OUR FAITH IN HIM IS OUR GUIDEBOOK NOW
But as far as other religions are concerned I feel no one need judge. Our Father will judge everyone of his sheep. That is solely and only his job to do, not us.
-Either way, we will ALL HAVE TO FACE HIM…
-Also, A religion is a way of belief, not the actions of it’s many followers. Each follower is unique. In no religion does all of it’s followers interpret it’s teachings the same way; even the extremists THINK they are being pious when they do what they do. The devil will even use faith as a weapon against the believer. He is sneaky, He is tricky and he is one crafty son of a… All religions have there black spots -ALL of THEM DO
come on now
What your basically saying is…guns don’t kill people. People kill people. Correct?
As a theologian I`d just like to correct Casey in regards to religious texts. Christians do not believe that the Christian Scriptures (aka the New Testament) replaces the Hebrew Scriptures (aka Old Testament). Rather, Christians believe that Jesus fulfilled the covenant of the Hebrew people. Jesus fulfilled the prophecy God gave to Abram (later called Abraham) that through him all nations will be blessed. Abraham was the founder of the Israeli people – through him, all nations (not just the Jews) will be blessed. God`s will was to enter into relation with ALL people – not just Jews. Jesus was a Jew – therefore a descendant of Abraham, that fulfilled the Law through his sacrifice and ascension, this opened the covenant to all people (Jew and Gentile). It`s not correct to call it the `Old Testament`because this group of texts are still relevant to Jewish people. The `New Testament` doesn`t replace the Old, Christians don`t replace the Jews. Christians rather believe that Christ fulfilled the Law and became the ultimate sacrifice for all sins so that we are no longer bound by the Law. The Law was meant to keep to people pure, but because humans are not perfect they corrupted the Law and turned it into something that it was not meant to be. I always want to point out that it is not ecumenically proper to write all of the letters of God`s name as this is offensive to the Jewish people – God`s name is holy to them. Rather, theologians will write YHWH. Ancient Hebrew did not include vowels in their texts – especially not for God`s name as it was never meant to be pronounced by the people since it was so holy. It has been mis-interrupted in the past as being Yehowah – or Jehovah. We now know this is incorrect – but we still shouldn`t write it out of respect for our Jewish brothers and sisters.
Am an neither atheist or theist,just there my opinion is to you theologian and other religionists who think their belief is the only means of knowing the will of “GOD”.1. why cant this GOD reavel himself directly to every man without relying on books which are translated to other languages?2.God is Love,thats what many religion assert,which community or language in the world that does not have this concept or word?
3.Christians pray to God directly but he answers them thru priests how comes?
Its the high time theologians and Co accepted God is imaginary and you are masters of your own destiny as bob marley said find your heaven on earth.
i like moslem because their unlike their messenger
i dislike moslem because their like osama blind laden
when they possesed like blind laden they will kill themself each other
Peoples court have just passed the verdict on religions,shot them on sight wherever whenever you see them.If you dont own a gun use anything even stoning them,they are unwanted menance to rational thinkers of society,the law is being changed ofcourse for mankind good and prosperity any one found ascriping to this dangerous ideology shall be put in rehabilitation institution and shrinks we work on him to bring them back to reality.
Hi you pope dont molest my kids
its like sell your soul to the devil , once you entered you cant get out , if you come out you will die
there is nothing out there like god/devil or the is creation of our minds.god is accepting your reality and devil is denying your own reality,think deeply about my explanation and you will agree with me,we are the masters of our own destinations and denial will lead us nowhere.if you are chased by a lion to escape from it you must run,or climb a tree wheather you pray or not you MUST RUN.pray and dont RUN you will be its supper,RUN and dont pray you will save your life.So lets RUNNNNNN
well … they didnt speak about what the orthodox church in egypt treat who convert to islam
torture … intemidation … murder … assassination … taking they have and leave them with nothing
one priest who became a muslim was tortured in a monestary and forced to keep it secret … and when he announced his conversion publicaly the church took every thing from him and he ended up in the street … a muslim man took him in … gave him a job and the expriest married the daughter and he had from her two daughters … and while he was on the street with his wife and daughters … shots were fired killing the wife and one of the daughters … and while he was praying he was shot and he lost his kidny as a result
while he was in the monestary he said that he knew a monk who kept his conversion to islam secret and when he was discovered he was tortured he was thrown to hungry dogs to feast on his flesh … and wafa qustantin is another example of what happens to christians who convert to islam
so comparing this to the documentary … the documentary is just a foreplay
Religion…
Truly the opiate of the masses. Listen to these fairy tales…they’re all ridiculous! And you argue over who has the ‘most accurate’ fairy tale. Whos fairy tale is closer to the ‘truth’…and exactly what truth is that?
To argue with, insult and threaten other humans over these damned stories is laughable. To kill other humans over it is a crime against humanity…and a pre-meditated one at that.
Religions have ever only been concocted for the purpose of controlling the masses with threats of damnation and promises of salvation. Get over it. Develop a personal relationship with your God and leave man and his devices out of it!
Stop behaving like friggin’ cattle for Godsake…you’re embarrassing us in front of the sheep.
I think Muslims need to learn compassion which is the very essence of Christianity. Deploying violence would not even please their God, instead it will continue to isolate them as a community in the modern world view.
lol i love topdocumentarys people leave the most baseless comments. IF you actually sat down with a theologion you would see todays mulims , christians , jews , hindus are not religious , there cultural. Just because they use the word religion does not mean there actions are justified by it . They dont follow religion they follow culture. How do you know ? Because religion requires have rituals based on teh scripture . These religions today are hippocrates of the highest degree . Todays culturism is masked as religion and religion takes all the heat. IF people actually followed religion the world would be a better place. But nope we follow culturism thats why the religius leaders have so much power . Because they can make up whatever **** they want and sell it and use the excuse “The scripture is to difficult for you to understand , let me do it and i’ll let you know what it means ” looool.
hypocrisy at its finest.
Culture is the hardest thing to change =p
Todays problems are not because of religion…..its because of a lack of religion . Any of you wanna question this claim i would be happy to show you why :) But if you dont know anything about compartive religion please dont make baseless comments .
And I suppose you’re the one of the topdocumentaryfilms’ people now @yourboycal.