Zeitgeist: The Movie
Zeitgeist, the Movie is a 2007 documentary film, produced by Peter Joseph about the Jesus myth, the attacks of 9/11, and the Federal Reserve Bank as well as a number of conspiracy theories related to those three main topics. It was released free online via Google Video in June 2007. A remastered version was presented as a global premiere on November 10, 2007 at the 4th Annual Artivist Film Festival & Artivist Awards. The film has attracted significant public interest.
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Mostly lies, but entertaining. I really don’t believe anything he says and part one is especially lies. Anyone know what programs he used to make this video?
What makes you think that the most of this documentary is made of lies? Care to explain why you don’t believe anything what the film says?
Lies? relax man its just a ride Hahaha.
Part 1: I agree with most of the stuff said, even if it may be false (not stating it as false but i haven’t checked the sources either). By this I mean that all religions stem from one another and keeping “pagan” rituals of prior “conquered” people to ease the transition (following) the new doctrines of the conquering nation/people is completely reasonable and plausible.
Part II:
i) The shearing of the core: Any physicist should know that shearing is the most common (less energetic) from of fracture to occur, that is why the demo guys use that method. This is easier than compression and elongation… therefore the fact that sheared beams were found is not fact of cutting.
ii) Extreme heat/molten metal: not only was jet fuel burning, but you also have to remember all the office material that is easily flammable, and most likely explosive. (have you ever heated batteries? They explode, not unreasonable to think that other stuff exploded (chemical reactions burning) in there adding to the heat factor.
iii) Mislabeling terrorists: By choosing wrong ppl to be in the “terrorist watchlist” does not constitute a conspiracy. Governments make mistakes, ppl have similar names. My birth certificate has the wrong bdays, my father was sued for child support by a woman in another state because her ex had a similar name (differed only by middle initial), many ppl post 9/11 were put on watchlists for no reasons only because of there names/surnames.
iv) Running Training programs: How is running a training excercise indicative of a terrorist military coup? That’s what groups placed to protect ppl are supposed to be doing. Everybody does it, police, military, hospitals, security guards, schools. Just because you practice training programs and it happens to coincide with an actual event does not indicate insider involvement. that’s equivalent to me having an earthquake drill, and then an earthquake occurs, and that means somehow I cause it. That’s what these people should be doing, running training programs all the time, many different scenarios, extreme conditions. Just because you train for it doesn’t mean you’re planning it. That’s like security guards (rent-a-cops) @ a mall training for a bomb threat means they’re planning to blow the place up. Arguing that somehow because they were running the excersive is evidence is just plain stupidity. The reason the occured together was because of coincidence.
v) newspaper/media evidence: Just because you show a bunch of headlines from random newspaper articles doesn’t make it evidence. anyone can post anything. Where are the references?
vi) Money: just because officials were meeting with the saudi’s does not mean they were in cohoots. just because i meet a friend for lunch does not mean that I know he steals credit card numbers at home. There’s no causation to this theory, just because I know someone (on official business) does not mean I know everything they’re doing. The Saudi’s royal family are some of the richest ppl on earth, and most powerful with the OPEC (oil), and yes it does make sense that officials meet with them. This is not suspicious.
Conclusion) I’m not arguing that this documentary is wrong, all I’m saying is look at another possibility. Let’s say 9/11 was a big terrorist plot against america. The bombs in the basement, the demo explosives, were caused by a group bigger than just the hijackers. Possibly 100 (just a suggestion) ppl involved (think about it: the more you have the more likely it’ll get accomplished) and they pull off the most historic event in the US what involved to tanks, missiles, declaration of war etc. The US got f’d, big time,… What’s the government to do? Admit that the once great superpower was blown up by a group of terrorists? That a small group was able to hijack planes (plausible), plant bombs in the subbasement (plausible), and plant bombs in T7 (less likely but this i can’t explain, sorry)… it all seems likely that the US just got caught off guard, and sometimes david does beat goliath. We got hammered. Do you think the Us wants to admit to it, that maybe we’re really really vulnerable to this new type of warfare (fighting small groups not nations)? Why the radical change in laws? Why the war on terror? Why were there no transcripts (video records) of the 911 commision trials? Because the US got so f’d that the goverment was scared. That’s what happens when you get blindsighted, you panic, you get scared, you start dividing up our asssets, bringing in things that give you more power (new unconstituional laws/wiretaps etc) because when stuff like this happens you try really fricking hard to figure out what the hell is going on. How would you react is you came home and found your valuables had been stolen? You’d buy new locks, new security, start questioning everybody, become paranoid, get angry, be scared, feel hopeless, and try to make sure this never happens again.
This seems more likely to me at least. That 911 was bigger then the govt is leading on,… and we got scared so we try really really hard to not have it happen again. i feel this pov is a merging of both theories (the governments cause 911/terrorists caused it) because it explains most of it… at least to me. oh well, it’s all just theories until the truth is out there. At least this documentary brought up good points. Thanks :)
P.S. Sorry for any misspellings.
Part III:
i understand the notion of few profiting from the interest. I just remember one argument from high school. The reason a central system was created because if it’s much easier to regulate (and yes profit) if everything is centralized. That is why the fedaration of colonies (i forgot what it’s called but it was before the formation of States to be united) had such difficulty trading and maintaining order. Each confederate state had it’s own money, it’s own laws, it’s own procedures. You couldn’t buy anything in georgia with pennsylvania money, and then you’d have to figure out what was the going rate, who’s money was worth more? that’s where the idea came from that states had to rule independently but under a centralized government. I don’t know I’m talking out of my ***, i’m just saying it’s not all bad why it was formed, but the bad part is the taking advantage of people. Nowadays alot of banks are closing due to the mortgage crisis,… wonder if the federal bank had to do with it.
Finality… i just heard the phone conversation about rockafellar and the “chip”… damn,… that sucks… we’re screwed… there goes my argument i guess…
I think the documentary is definitely worth watching. It seems well documented to support the film maker’s theory. Yet, like you would with all documentaries, the sources need to be checked. I wonder what Zeitgeist Refuted will say???
Wake up….wake up……wake up American people….
i think this movie is make sense. some facts are a bit pushed. but most are right!
wake up sheeple!
The first part sums up what i’ve been trying to tell religious people for years. Religion is a myth, stop kidding yourselves just due to your ignorance of not being able to understand everything. You can’t fill in gaps of scientific uncertainty with anything you want, it’s dangerous. We’ve seen what is has done to so many people.
I wish I could live long enough to see the age where religion has died out in the majority of the world and left to a historian to learn rather than the common population. Sadly this will never be in our life times.
I totally agree with the first part of the series. yes religion is a myth. “the mind is a terrible the to waste” please do your research religious believers, and stop living your life by what you were indoctrinated to believe in from the day you were born. open your mind and you might be free.
If anyone is interested try Adam Curtis, ‘The Power of Nightmares’. Our systems of governance are fatly injured, no doubt abut it.
Right. Really insightful documentary by Adam Curtis. The Power of Nightmares.
Does anyone have any interesting links to that picture of the 9/11 failed ‘I’ column, I’m a retired engineer, and cannot easily imagine a such a failure.
Hi, Vlatko, keep going man. Great site.
I would like to add my opinion about zeitgeist and to apologize in advance for my English.
this documentary had a huge impact on me – i’m refering to part I/Religion ( and i guess, on many others ). I never considered myself as an ignorant person, but zeitgeist opened my eyes like nothing/nobody else before! My mother is a very religious person ( Christian ), and I slightly believed in god. Went to a Church several times before ( in my childhood ) but that happened because i was dragged by my mother. I agree that respecting the ten commandments would make you a better person, but I don’t think that following them carefuly would be the best answer. Deep down I knew that something wasn’t right about this religion thing, and that some things in the bible can’t be real, but I never thought about seeking for answers.
After seeing Zeitgeist, I was scared and pleased with myself. Scared because I’ve thought: Okay, there is no god, i have been an ignorant, but then what’s going to happen when I’ll die? – if there is any documentary on this theme, please tell me – and pleased because i finally understand.. everything. It all makes sense. I see the world from a different perspective now, I see the truth…and I feel free.
I would also like to add that I believe in demons and that since i was a child, it was really hard for me going to sleep,as my mother told me stories about satan which scared me like ‘hell’.. f*** i blame her for messing up with my head. :)
other than that, i’m a really nice person !
This is my biggest confession ever. YAY!
if you are wondering where we go when we die, you should google deepak chopra, i find his explanations to make a lot of sense
Hi Me,
If I told you the sky was made of blue glass would you believe me. I hope not.
If I said there was a Unicorn at the bottom of my garden, would you accept that. I’d say no, you would not.
What about if I said I’d met Khaki for a round of golf….
What makes all this ridiculous mythology of mine seem totally deranged to you.
You have the ability of critical reasoning, you are a rational human being. You do not think every report I make has validity, in fact you might think that playing golf with a deity is highly improbable, so your now filtering my claims very closely against what you have tested and know to be valid.
You need to use your rational filter to question your own beliefs. And also learn from others critical reasoning. At some point your logic will gain the advantage over superstition.
Here interesting short, to try googling “Top 25 Creationist Fallacies” great use of rational filtering.
Hold on a second with part one of this documentary. First of all the bible never claims that Jesus was born on dec.25th. that is a tradition, just a day that the catholic church picked to celebrate christmas. they picked that day to coinside with a pagan holiday and the winter soltice. they wanted to give the pagans something “christian” to celebrate in place of their pagan holiday.
most people, people who care to think and not just be told, would actually read the bible before they try to disclaim it. Example: the shepherds were tending thier flocks when christ was born. Shepherds don’t tend flocks in late december, it is too cold in isreal in december for flocks to graze. jesus was probably born in the spring.
So, unfortunately for the makers of this video, the dec. 25th thing does not apply to Jesus.
Also the 12 signs of the zodiac and 12 deciples are by chance. that part doesn’t make sense anyway. also, Jesus only had 11 deciples. Judas was a fake.
finally, there is no historical facts that would suggest that any of the saviours mentioned along with Jesus were actually real people. Jesus is a historical figure of fact. Check out Josephus.
if you watch this and it makes you doubt your faith, take heart. this is just a clever lie. search out the real truth.
Also, imagine this. they say Jesus was not a historical figure but people who followed him were willing to die to spread his message. and they did. many of the deciples were murdered for spreading the gospil. other early christians gave their lives. and for a lie? come on.
what about the apostle Paul? was he a not a historical figure? did he travel the entire Roman world spreading the gospel or wa that just a story. I want to know why so many people, people who lived and breathed with Jesus were so willing to go to their deaths if all this were just a lie.
I want to know why so many people, people who lived and breathed with Jesus were so willing to go to their deaths if all this were just a lie.
Hard to answer, people do do funny things though, look at the Rev Jim Jones and Jonestown, or Islamic suicide bombers, must be true if they’re willing to die huh?
as far as religion goes many lies for many years but i did live in a haunted house for a number of years think what you what why didnt the world trade center fall to one side instead of straight down in a free fall we all know that big money runs the show and war makes money so who made the most money christananity as proposed is afoolish belief because money and time always corrupt good intentions as far as the federal reserve goes look who started it and you know its a scam try this think as an independant dont have blind faith realize that everyone has some angle and fight back
Guys, think about it this way: how often do you come across material like this in a main stream media? So, do you still think that the facts in this movie are incorrect?
to this chris fellow…
jesus wasn’t born on the 25th of december or at all for that matter. he is nothing more than the representative of an amalgamation of the popular religions in rome around that time. take the christmas example, do some further research. you will get it.
josephus was born in 37ad. that means he did not live while jesus ‘lived’. anything he may have written amounts to nothing more recorded hearsay propogated by superstitious folks. the gospels were written decades after the supposed messiah died. jesus himself never wrote a gospel. paul’s journey started after a hallucination. try to remember to keep these things in mind.
as for the issue of martyrdom.. as a christian you reject the notion that allah is the true god and that muhammad is his prophet. however you recognize that there are a lot of people ready to die for it. the point is that in matters of faith perception is truth. it is the sad reality facing all religious people. just because you feel certainty does not mean you have experienced reality.
Zeitgeist is from the beginning an atheist propaganda.
Jainism to me appears to have the most (although limited) appeal of the surviving religions out there for me – Their knowledge seems literary, out of this world, how a religion over 4000 years old at least could have known about the expanding and collapsing of the universe over infinite millenia is beyond me.
This movie is amazing – and for me seems to connect the dots of many things in my mind. Although there are some questions that are never answered. But one of them was – how a man who owns the world would not seek to increase his prestige by using his power to help others- the worlds richest men are narrow minded – they view the world as a game, think prison break finale. This must be wrong – if you struggle it must be to some avail…
Fear or Love? I have heard my brothers (baptized church of god member) derogatory comments about this movie and decided not to watch it a while ago, but this movie seems to sum up many things for me.
I cannot see this as anything but truth. First consider the film all lies, now ask yourself who could possibly benefit from this film? What are the motivations and expected outcome. If the motivations cannot be identified, and the message comes from a unheard of minority – whose goal is to increase your freedom no matter how frightening that is, the message is most likely the truth.
There are truths, there are lies, I seek the power to decipher between them- to weed the garden. Truth leads to true hope. Hope leads to life. Faith in abstraction leads to slavery.
Analysis-Synthesis-Composition
The only thing I really doubt in this is the common theory of evolution… I think more likely is adaptation within taxonomic Families or even Orders.
Watch the obama deception they add to this argument.
I know my logic is flawed in the above argument.. and I could ponder for a life time many of the propositions in zeitgeist but It is really late 3:00 am- I actually had an emotional reaction to this… really unusual.
About Zeitgeist: The Movie
(regarding the first part, about The Bible and Christianity.)
Please try to be calm and objective in order to be able to take -at least- a glimpse of the injustice done in this movie.
These are just a few comments…!! There was much more nonsense to comment on!
(I will not comment on the historical facts that blow Zeitgeist from the map, since most are already found on “Zeitgeist Refuted” -found by those who want to be objective).
1. We are shown a hand that “has evolved” writing 1+1=2 (representing logic) on a piece of paper, and then someone removing the hand and the paper with the equation (logical thinking), just to replace it with The Bible. The idea is that The Bible and logic don’t go together. This is COMPLETELY LUDICROUS! Anyone who believes Christian beliefs are illogical, that they don’t make sense, either does not really know what logic is, or is simply too stubborn to admit the opposite. I mean, even a fairy tale, can be 100% logical (!!) yet false when compared to the facts of reality. If you never went to school and are cut off from the world, you might think (as some did) -based on your observation- that the world is flat. This is a logical observation, for in fact from “where you stand”, you cannot “see” it is round, you just see the horizontal line. Based on the factors at hand (your hand), your conclusion is a logical one, but not correct when compared to reality. In conclusion, likewise, believing that The Bible is not truthful is something we can talk about, but believing it is illogical, is pure uneducated nonsense.
2. The movie starts with pure atheistic propaganda. It blames everything on religion, it touches our sensitivity (images of war, children crying next to their murdered parents etc.), it equates war with Christianity (religion in general). It even makes itself to be a savior, one who will save us from The God and religion of The Bible. It protects us with the truth (ha!) by telling us through the words of George Carlin which are included: “I don’t know what God is, but I know what God isn’t!” (Oh you great benefactor you!) In other words: “Look, the christian god of the bible cannot be the real God! And you know why? We know What the Real God is, and it’s not Him!”
Well, really?? How do you know that… oh wise one?? How do you know what God isn’t????? Have you… revelation?? -Guess what? I have some news for you: God can be anything, even be the sadistic God (this is what they usually imply) that He is accused to be by those who are ignorant and arrogant (and vice versa). Hypothetically speaking, who can deprive Him of what to be?? Why can’t a God be sadistic and still be a God?? Why are you able to be sadistic and God can’t?? “Because he is God!” you protest. But how do you know what being God is?? Any answer you give, is just your view, nothing more. Get it? I hope so. So don’t serve philosophical junk food for wisdom, young people may be deceived, people in general.
3. Then we hear the very funny (12:18-12:46): He will send you to hell….. “because He loves you!” Don’t the atheists see how irresponsible, frivolous, arbitrary, this remark is?? Can’t you see this has nothing to do with the God of Christianity? I mean, being an atheist haven’t you studied The Bible, that you are now trampling all over? If you have, haven’t you noticed the sacrifice of Jesus Christ made in order that the man who will accept Him in repentance and faith, be saved form hell?? Isn’t that to you, even as an atheist, theoretically at least (!) some kind of love from God’s side (even if you’re not completely satisfied by it from your perspective)?? I mean, try to be honest. Didn’t you see such an effort on God’s side from the beginning of the Bible till the end, to approach man for his own good?? Irrelevant if you understand His tactics at all or to a degree. Don’t you see Christians approaching people, in order to speak to them about salvation from hell?? Don’t you know this is God’s will? Really, you don’t know all this?? You don’t see A God Who shows love at all?? And you really think the comedian’s ****** remark is true: “He will send you to hell… because He loves you”???? Then I have to ask: Do you have a brain your head man? What are you doing with it? Rather, what are they doing with it?!!! (My intent was not to insult anyone, but to awake the ones that should.)
4. Having said: “he will send you to hell… because He loves you!” he immediately says another ****** thing: “He loves you and He needs money!” Are we suppose to take the composers of this movie seriously?? Now that’s faith at its worst! -I mean, equating God Himself with someone who needs money? The Bible teaches this??????? We Christians believe this?????!!!????? You honestly believe we do??? Only a real immoral ***** can -right off the bat- equate God with the christian con artists, that a big part (if not the biggest) of the Church world wide condemns and exposes? The guy who made the movie allowed this remark to be part of the movie. What does this really say about him? Every much.
5. Then in comparing Jesus to… the sun (!!), he says: “Jesus Christ is born again, every morning”! What?? Jesus Christ is born again?? Every morning?? (24:30). Theologically, being born again, has nothing to do with Christ! It refers to those follow Christ, becoming children of God. Jesus was already The son of God!
6. Let’s see another ridiculous claim. At 24:36, we learn: that Christ’s crown of thorns, represents…. the sun’s rays?! A crown of thorns does that????? What a foolish comparison! I mean, speaking of evil fairytales! But really, did you object when you heard this, by saying… WHAAAAT???? Even as an atheist, don’t you have to be sensible and truthful?
7. Then he says: “…the twelve disciples… they are simply the 12 constellations of the Zodiac” (24:36) WOW! Did the 12 at least exist or were they just constellations?? If the second, how can he prove that? And how can he disprove the opposite!!!! I marvel at the extreme arbitrariness, and the gullibility of some people (some times willful gullibility!).
8. At 24:16 up to 24:44 we again see (do we?) the tactic he uses to prove his prejudices. He chooses to use words from The Bible (out of context), in order to make a parallel to his ideas! Completely irrational! He’s making a puzzle of his own fantasy. I mean, you can apply this tactic to any science book, and make all sorts of comparisons with other stories!! So?
9. Another “gem”: He calls upon a particular ignorant Christian (that is, if the story is true. It could be; there are many around, just as there are many atheists like him around.) who said: “God put those dinosaur bones there, to test our faith!” Wow! Another eye opener to Christian perspective. We are grateful. -Do you really believe this is what Christian’s believe??? Why would he use such idiotic examples in his movie?? Doesn’t it show that he is just to much of a fanatic… to be careful in his research?? This is a good question to contemplate on! One answered in Zeitgeist Refuted.
10. Does any body notice anything while watching from 9:00 up to 10:47?? Or is it a coincidence….?
In closing, does the viewer see from the above samples that he is being brainwashed? It has all the tools for the purpose. Please be honest.
Regarding the rest of the movie, it too, has nothing to do with Christianity. The fact that a new world order dictatorship is coming up, is -I believe- true from most perspectives. The time is not far. But anyway, is Christianity to blame? IT’S NOT! But -a bold question- isn’t it more probable (like 100% probable!) that atheists or/and pantheists occultists (masons etc.), would be behind it? From a Biblical perspective… IT DEFINITELY IS!
One more comment. The speaker says that the government does not want an “informed public capable of critical thinking” and that this is what brought on Zeitgeist. THIS IS CAPITAL IGNORANCE ON PART OF ZEITGEIST!!!!!!! It is not an example of critical thinking, but of a) a pathetic attempt to manipulate people in order that they turn against religion b) mixed with critical thinking. And this to make Zeitgeist seem like “a savior figure” while it is just another sheep in wolf’s clothing!! Regarding the “uninformed public”, because of Zeitgeist, they are now misinformed as well! Think of my comments above, and see Zeitgeist Refuted (I disagree with the preaching at the end, and I believe it should not have been in the movie!)
The rest I leave… to your heart.
May God give you His increase!
Sorry for the spelling. Especially that: “Every much” in number 4. That just killed me! I -of course- meant” “Very much.”
I think this entire film is self defeating. It points the finger at myth makers, it shames those who try to bring about a fear among the people, criticizes those who make profits and cautions against a unifying world. It seems to me that this is exactly what will be the result of the film. 1. They have created myths, 2. struck fear into people, 3. made money and 3. attempted to unify everyone in one cause.
What exactly is the moving trying to get people to do? “Be more critical in how you think!” OK thanks, did I needed 2 hours of self-defeating argumentative BS to tell me that?
I’m not sure how much of it I believe… I’d have to look into the facts. But I thought Part One was spot on.
I definitely think anything that gets people thinking critically about all this stuff is good. Whether true or not, we need to keep questioning.
I have to say many things that should open eyes of the many people that I saw respond to this video. I for one, have not seen it because most videos on religion are no longer God based but religion based. It saddens me to see all these people, here and in everyday life, bash God as if God is the one that created Religion. Religion is man made. Therefore religion is always going to be tainted by the sick hand of Lucifer. God of course is the creator of all, from beginning to end, earth, and the massive universe above. If one would just read the prophecies in the Old and New Testement that have been and still are being fulfilled, ones eyes would truly be openned to what is truly going on. Mass society manipulation by a electronic box in our living room called a T.V. This invention is informative on some things that are good but its the media that spins it bad and hypnotizes America into what I like to call “county fair grounds entertainment.” Only 4 corporations own all channels on your T.V. You don’t think that the 2 people that own those don’t aren’t rich and want to manipulate and control you so they feel powerful? One World Government, human chip implants (Mark Of the Beast), One World Currency, World Wars, 10 horns of the beast in Revelation (G8 is holding a conference in Italy as I am typing this message. Who knows when we will get to G10?). We are headed down the path to Christs return which is very very soon. Take the time to study the Bible alone without anyone BUT God guiding you. Pray for the guidance and I guarantee you will receive it. Ask and you shall receive never had the meaning of asking for personal pleasures. It meant to ask God for help with guidance, patience, kind actions, becoming a better you spiritually, etc. You don’t get to heaven by good works. Christ already paid the price for you so that you can be accepted into heaven. All you have to do is have faith that God has been there and still is. Accept the Gospel (good news) of the debt that was paid and that Christ is the one who took that debt off of your shoulders. Once you have faith and received the gospel, then the good works come naturally. That’s where Catholisism had it wrong. They believe the exact opposite. WRONG. It even states in the Bible that the world religions will be false at the end times. The ones that will truly understand that, are the ones that recognize that world religion is man made and flawed. Like I said earlier. READ THE BIBLE. Pray to God for guidance and your eyes will be open to the greatness of Gods kingdom. Start with the book of John. Look at what Jesus does, as well as look at what Jesus doesn’t do. I am doing a study in the Bible and I found out last week that in the Bible there are more verses that have to do with money than heaven and hell combined! The reason behind that is because God knows how crucial money is to our lives. Money determines the true nature of ones heart. Martin Luther said it best, “If silver and gold are things evil in themselves, then those who keep away from them deserve to be praised. But if they are good creatures of God, which we can use both for the needs of our neighbor and for the glory of God, is not a person silly, yes, even unthankful to God, if he refrains from them as if they were evil?” Money is a gift from God. When you hear those weird people on the church networks on T.V. preaching the “Health and wealth gospel”, you should know that their intentions are evil. Just because you give them 100 bucks does NOT mean you will get back tenfold of what you deserve. Money when given to us is to be used for the good of mankind. I watched one of the Harry Potter films the other day and one of the questions that good ole Harry asked was “Is magic evil?” The response was no. Magic is neither good or evil, it is the user that determines how the magic is used. Same goes with money. The 10 fold returns that one will get might not be in the same form that you gave. But one should never give money expecting anything in return or even bragging to anyone that one even gave money out. Then it is twisting the whole reason of giving back into a form of self gratification. I have only been studying the Bible fervently for the past month because I too was a sceptic of religion. Once I realized that my walk with God is with God and I alone then I realized the difference between man made religion and God. Man made religion is just like the government…twisted and truly dead because of greed, self satisfaction, and power. God truly just wants a relationship with his people once more. Like in the old days called THE BEGINNING. The end is near and all the rulers of the world know it, that is why the truth is getting covered up more and more as each day goes by. I plead with everyone to break the dust seal of your Bible and get back the relationship you deserve to have with your creator. Remember that Emmanuel means GOD WITH US. Just where he has always been but we are too blind to see it. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
First of all i believe that there is a god because something had to have produced life on this planet but i feel that religion is a man made tool to control everyone’s train of thought. So that you are lead to believe and follow the traditions that supposedly have been handed down from generation to generation. I believe that the roman society created Christianity to gain a control over their people and to spread their empire even further by diluting peoples mind to believe everything they say. Don”t get me wrong there is a god but i don’t understand why if Jesus is with us all the time why does he require me to go to church on Sunday and praise him when he himself said that he will always be there with us. Also the money **** I’m barely getting by and he wants me to give money to the church so that they can buy new mosaic of Mary or new historic windows. For real is there any 1 out there that has these same beliefs. All of these so called coincidences according to the church i feel are too common to be lies. So think real hard bout this **** cuz yo this **** juss blew ma mind.
Going to church shouldn’t have to be a requirement. It used to be in the Old Testament. If you truly beleive then you will be hungry to learn more about God. Therefore you will be happy to go to church on Sunday instead of look at it as a chore. I was the same way a month ago but then I just started having conversations in my head with God and I started getting answers in the strangest ways. ABL which means always be listening cuz you never know when God will speak to you. On the money thing, you give what you can to the church. But mostly you give what you can to others that are less fortunate than you. You’ll be surprised at the joy it actually brings to see the look of thankfulness on their face. And if they spend on something bad, that is their choice…you presented them with an opportunity that they didn’t have before. The only thing that us as a human race have control over is our behaviors. God controls the rest. Peace be with you. =)
Hunter-Seeker-Algorithm
You have some interesting views, especially for someone in the situation you seem to be in (family wise).
In regards to Jainism, like every other religion that came out of India it is rooted in Vedic thought. Which is wonderful but do not close your eyes to the other faiths created by the Vedas. Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, many others. The thing is, each different faith took root due to Ashrams (schools) being unable to communicate with one another over large distances so though they all taught Vedic thought, people being people, created different religions out of them. To really understand the essence of Vedic knowledge you have to do a LOT of reading from different areas. As well you have to understand that within Vedic thought is also the idea that everyone has different levels of capacity to understand Divinity. This is not saying that if one WANTS to they cannot try and and eventually understand it all, it simply means that each person is born with a different amount of “hunger” for that knowledge, some people don’t care, some just want someone to give them a simple answer and they can run with it, some people want to delve into the depths of the ideals and figure out the “Truth”, and many iteration in between. This being the case within Vedic “Theology”, there are many levels of thought, each level directed as a particular level of consciousness.
A simple example is that most people think the statues the eastern religions supposedly pray to are Idols and thus they are not monotheistic. Some religions WITHIN Vedic thought even think so but this is simply one level of thought that is taught so that people who are not ready to try to figure out the entire concept can have a small foothold that they can use to reach a little closer. In actuality, in Vedic thought, there is one God (using the word god for easy understandability, I should say one Divinity), each of those names and statues are simply different names and faces given to that one divinity to represent different facets of human life, human nature, and the world and Universe itself, but they are all the same Divinity, but to make it simpler for people to understand and relate to it, it is given different faces.
This is a simple example of different levels of the same Vedic Ideal.
A problem that arises from this (which is why you should read from many sects and not one) is that people are people, and they use religion to control. Vedic thought in itself is not prophetic it is a path that you can get good ideas from to make your own path but people have used Vedic thought to create their own little control structure, such as the Vishnuvites and Shivavites, that believe in that face of god prophetically and even believe in something akin to heaven, both concepts are pretty dumb within Vedic thought but, these ideas are brainwashed into children with these sects and thus it manifests in society like Christianity and Islam.
The thing is the Vedas do not say they are the words of a god, nor do they say follow me or perish in flames, so killing people in its name or in the name of anything created out of it …is pretty dumb.(That’s why most other sects under Vedic thought always distance themselves from these folks, even the Hare Krishna movement is pretty weird since they make Krishna out to be some sort of prophet ..which he is not and never was, he was simply a person who spiritually understood the world better than others around him (a more realized soul), so its silly to “prophetize” him)
In any case just wanted you to understand the base of Jainism a little more and how it came about, since understanding the root of something is your first step to understanding its entirety.
Oh and a side note for anyone thinking I’m preaching, within Vedic thought is the idea that, Everyone has the right to chose their own path to God, be it atheism,or Christianity its your right to chose, once you don’t hurt others while doing your thing, got no problems with you and wont ever try to convert you, just want to share my ideas.
Oh I was supposed to add, I know all that is completely off topic and Im sorry if I’ve disturbed anyone by it, If there are any objections to the comment, I don’t mind if its removed.
about part I, there is another documentary that talks of the same things as part I but it came out back in 1999. if anybody else is interested you can watch it on google. here is a link to it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4410255898449014621
i believe that the information in the video is very interesting and anyone that likes what they are saying in part I should watch the video above on google.
Vlatko, I hope you watch it, I hope you can link it up on this site.
Jim (and everybody else) watch the new film that destroys Zeitgeist (part 1) added to Zeitgeist Refuted. It’s called “Zeitgeist exposed”. It’s on the top of the page, under “Zeitgeist refuted”.
Sorry, “Zeitgeist exposed” is now on top of the “Zeitgeist Refuted” film. The order was changed.
Hi Alex,
Here’s one for you. What is the implication, in relation to faith, of building an artificial biological virus?
http://www.zkea.com/archives/archive05004.html
Max,
sorry I’ve been having problems with my connection. I sent my comment to your question 3 times and couldn’t get it through. I sent it to Vatko, maybe he can. Time will tell.
Hope this message gets through at least.
Alex,
Try the forum?
Max, hi!
I’ll try sending it in two parts, otherwise, sorry, it’s the end of the line. It’s like I’m blocked… and don’t have time for this. If the case the two parts don’t show up, ask Vlatko to pass it on to you.
Anyway, my answer belongs here. The forum can be an option in the future.
God bless you!
For Max, Part 1
I have “two answers” (well, not exactly) to your question. One is mine and one is from a friend of my mine who is a geneticist (and holds degrees in a great many other scientific fields (e.g., biomedical science, specialty in cellular/molecular biology, and the list is a long one):
So your question is:
“What is the implication, in relation to faith, of building an artificial biological virus?”
My answer:
None. a) Faith has it’s own “hypostasis”, which forms from actual indications/evidences and “sequences” that lead to it. b) One fact/event cannot negate another fact/event. c) Man -like his Creator- can create. The difference is that God creates His own material and design, while man “borrows” from them both.
My friend’s and brother in Christ answer:
“Well, not really. As the link mentions, viruses are not technically living organisms – which is why it’s fairly easy to build them artificially. They are essentially a floating, extremely fragile envelope of proteins (very limited types – sometimes just one!) containing a relatively small-length DNA/RNA molecule. They can only survive through rapid replication by use of another cell’s machinery.
Thus, in creating a virus, we really achieve nothing more than making a fairly sophisticated biomolecule – hardly the creation of life!
So the ethical implications would be restricted as to the purpose and use of the artificial virus. Viruses would not only be as weaponised agents of biological warfare – though, sadly, that would certainly be a major reason for making one. Viruses can be – and are – used in a molecular biology method called transduction, in which a virus (a “viral vector”) is used to insert a particular gene into the genome of another cell, e.g. a bacterium or even a eukaryote in order to study the properties of that particular gene.
Now, of course, we can’t stop with viruses. What if we get to the point where we can create a bacterium – an actual living cell? There’s already research heading to that direction. Well, again, I honestly don’t think it has any implications on faith, despite the intentions of those involved. Physical life (not necessarily intelligence) is essentially the well-balanced, harmonious function of biochemical reactions – no great mystery there. Which means that, if we could figure out every single reaction component of, say, a cell, and know how they are put together, then we can, if we have the means/technology, make a cell ourselves. But what does it mean in terms of our faith? Nothing, really – using God’s tools and recipes to make what He has already made hardly negates His existence or the necessity of Him as Creator (actually, it virtually proves it in a way).
2nd part coming up (I hope…)
For Max -Part 2
(my friend continues)
About robotics and AI. However sophisticated our AI robot can be, it is no more than simulated intelligence. Again, we’re using God’s recipes so to speak, to create something that He already made. I think that such endeavours, despite their materialistic/reductionistic roots, do nothing more than demonstrate 1) how impossible it is to arrive to our current complexity of life and intelligence by random processes and 2) the necessity for an already existent template/”recipe” off which we must work.
(I had to cut it in three parts)
3rd and last part comming up (…)
I posted the third part on Zeitgeist refuted (August 29th, 2009 at 15:46), since I couldn’t here.
People need to realize what a very interesting series from BBC where all about, called The Century of The Self.
This movie plays with the current political and social issues of today and makes the viewer conjure up some fallacious conclusions about life, religion and the world we live in. However, while it does present some real facts about life, it offers the viewer a bizarre blend of erroneous, irrelevant and highly imaginative claims which its zealous followers are just to quick to overlook.
It is interesting to me that most people will not research this film, the facts therein, the producers, etc, and will start thinking and talking how Zeitgeist and its religious leaders want them to, becoming mini evangelists of this new doctrine.
If you are aware of the New World Order, you would know that it is part of their plan to create a New World Religion so creating hatred towards people of faith is needed in order to destroy the old and build the new. Its the same method used by Hitler, Mao and others.
The main religion promoted today(The New Age)through the media tries to coat itself as a new “philosophy” or come up with corny names like “Zeitgeist” but if you were just to dig in a bit deeper than the average person you would find that this movie and its sequels are full of New Age, Gnostic and Theosophical religious propaganda. The New Age is the “in” religion of Hollywood these days and the one religion that mentors the UN.
Lack of knowledge is really the cause of a lot hatred, wars, racism and religious intolerance and blaming God or religion is just what people in power want you to as the faster they can make you accept their views, the easier it is for them to control you.
Those who are fans of Zeitgeist and just think it is a “free thinking movement” maybe you should go ahead and research a bit on Lucis Trust, Helena M. Blavatsky and if you r unbiased in your researched, you are “just seeking the facts” you will realize that “Zeigeist” and the New Age are and Theosophy and its teachings promote the same.
My own study on theosophy (though I hope I’m wrong) has made me realize it is just another religion.
Theosophy= neo-gnosticism, occultism, satanism, racism.
I also think that this movie plays masterfully with the human ego at a subconscious level, with the “you are your own God” New Age doctrine and the “do what thou will” Crowlyian doctrine, both of which have been deeply weaved in many levels of western society, so I am almost sure that many people, specially people who think they are “free thinkers” will embrace it and be “enlightened” by it.
This movie is an attempt to metally braniwash the world and (specially the intelligentsia) at an international level.
People in general, would benefit from being aware of the real colors of this highly intolerant, sugar coated, new doctrine and maybe stop and think why a movie like this has been oh so lovingly made and produced just to “enlighten” us and set us free from our “bad world” and “bad religions” and all those “bad people” out there…
Zeitgeist and Co promote a fear mongering and hate message. Viewing the content of the comments that this movie has in the many sites it has been “magically” placed all over the globe it becomes obvious to me that it is fulfilling its evangelical mission.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPXc1QcmYDY
SystmHck hi!(please get an easier nickname :D why not your real name :D )
Excellent link! Thanks alot! Hope everyone sees it. It’s just 10 minutes.
–The truths of The Bible will always prevail, no matter the opposition.
PS. Note what that David Spangler says (Director of planetary initiative, United Nations!).
THE WHOLE THING IS A DAMN LIE.
0/10
Great documentary. Control, Control and more Control. Religion and fear always works. :D
What a nonsense? Anybody reading bible and history will know this documentary is not correct. There is no proof of this stupidity. This is just deceiving people and selling ****** ideas. The main aim of the person who made this documentary is to somehow make truth the lie and lie the truth maybe for selling new ideas or book.
I believe in god. The zeitgeist movie does not wont you to think there is no god. The question is what do you think god is, and can you even think about it or is that already a know fact to all of us. Great things are simple. I think god is energy. Energy is infinite and it cant be destroyed. It can be used for doing good and it can be used for doing bad. Lot of religions have good things in their belief system. But they are all not completely true. And when you find a lie in the belief system you know that man wrote it not god. You don’t have to be in one religion you can take what is best out of every religion.
Now let me back on the subject.
The film points out lies from the past.
I´m reading the comments of the film and wondering why does our church lie about 25.12. well why????You say ” they picked that day to coinside with a pagan holiday and the winter soltice. they wanted to give the pagans something “christian” to celebrate in place of their pagan holiday.”
I say how can that kind of spiritual authority lie to us. And you let them do it. Over and over again. If they can lie about jesus b day they will lie to you about other things as well.
To be a good person you don’t have to be in any religion. What does the church say about people that have that kind of opinion. They say they go to HELL. What do you think?
Thought provoking – obviously the point.
The world is a single organism – with multiple personality disorder.
We allow the personality of the bully to overpower the others. It gives both sides someone to blame. But all sides are one. We play hide and go seek with ourselves. Why?
It’s like playing a card game with yourself and taking sides.
Blaming the “power elite” is the same thing.
Those that are consumed with power live in fear of losing it. Trying to control something, inturn controls the controller. Seeking absolute control requires absolute controling – which enslaves the controller.
The “Power Elite” are backbiting and coniving against each other all the time. They’re not enjoying their money or power… Their appetites are ravenous, but they are the ones that are consumed with scarcity – they really really believe this stuff is important.
The trick is to NOT WANT. That is done by ENJOYING NOW. There is no “arriving” – that is another myth. It’s all “going” and always will be.
If the movie makes you feel like a victim – that’s YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. You want a villian – you got one.
In the end, the sun gets too big and burns up the earth and all the mansions and monuments with it. Observe with a state of wonder and enjoy the ride.
I thought that this documentary presented a valuable opinion. Personally I feel that those who dismiss it out-of-hand as well as those who accept it outright are irresponsible. What a great way to cause those who “believe” to investigate their beliefs.I will watch the follow-up both pro and con.
I just heard my train of thought fully derail. The only people responsible for the 9/11 attacks in New York were the guys who flew the damned planes into the buildings. This kind of thing is like a new Christianity, minus a savior. Believe this blindly, because we say so. That’s Christianity right there.
If you want me to ever believe anything that you claim, get Bush and Cheney, on live TV to the world, to admit that they masterminded this, or that they at least participated in the planing and execution of this. Outside of those statements, all you have is a magic bullet theory.
As an atheist I would like to say this film isn’t so good. He makes so many conenctions with religion in the beginning and then dumps it merely because it evolves over certain happenings (which he doesn’t argue and seems to agree with) and because governments (or I should say America most specifically) use it to manipulate and control individuals. Then he goes out to say THERE IS NO GOD. Seriosuly? Even Dawkins and Hitchens are good enough not to make absolute statements like that and their evidence against god is ten times more valed and hundreds of times more expansive that this guys cheap movie. If you want atheist logistics and rationale, read Dawkins, not some 9/11 film. Looking through the comments that’s all you people are talking about, the religious part of the film. The agnostic side of me says that there is no true knowing, and if there is a supernatural or “God” then who are organized religions (especially the bad side of them) and governments to determine what these supposed realms are in detail? The filmmaker doesn’t grasp this.
Secondly, if 9/11 was an inside-job then why are we blaming God? Maybe it’s America’s need for it’s greedy resource wars, and population manipulation… in places like Japan and Europe they don’t seem to be having these issues with religion and government and people seem to live happy, it’s only Americans that take things to extreme and constantly make indirect blames and generalizations. I dislike both libbies and conservative rednecks to be honest. One claims dominance of higher institutions such as the suppsoed supernatural and uses traditional ignorant methods in politics and business and the other dreams of all for all and none for none with equal human rights and abilties, it a world where fact has proven that there is mass resource lineage and science that has proven people are more their biological determination that make them different (yes even in superiority such as physical ability and intellect) than “equal individuals”.
Get over it, America is the downhole. You argue about human rights with little microships being inserted to track you. Seriously? Lets look at the human rights violated when you all purchase your name brand clothing from third-world sweatshops amde by children who are prohibited to see their parents, eat, or sleep in order to meet a labor quota. Or how the average American consumers multitudes more. The UN’s WHO has claimed that the US eats 4-5 times the meat that the average individual should consume. In Europe that is 1-2 and in Asia it is less than that. Or how America uses the majority of food resource amd energy than any other country and wastes most of it, along with being the biggest emitter of polutants into our dear environment? Where are the rights for the majority of the world population in poverty who are deprived of these resources where American wastes tons and more than any other country. (And we don’t even have the biggest population or land mass, and out import rates are epically unporportional to export rates). (Sources: WDR 2008 by the World Bank).
America where everyone lives this way now wants equal healthcare, no poverty, full resource allocation and ownership to each individual, right to full child birth, and overall equal representation in society wants this while maintaining the culture that it does by “freeing themselves from myths of government control or God”? Please go see what government control and God are to other places in the world and become serious with your arguments.
One might assume I’m a commie (the system that has failed over and over- ironically run by atheists- and each uprising has killed millions of innocent). No I am not. I am a naturalist, I belive in nature/science and science alone. Empirics, logistics, and reason are by base system where other formalities that have been made by people to accustom their nature of superiorty, want/greed, and individuality such as human rights, laws, and some ethics (but not all) are second-class.
Americans ought to be proud, they have massively developed capitalism (thankfully one of the most darwinistic systems to ever exist), however now the libbies and conserves are fighting for the opposite when it’s a known fact you can’t have all the candy in the candy store and that there’s no such thing as a utopia. The tree of knowledge/science is a massive one where Americans (and other nations) have only taken the sweet fruits that have allocated resoruces in technology, medicine, etc. that have dreadfully increased world popualtion and have put epic strain on resources, and they have left the bitter fruits (which are also necessary) which claim what is “taboo” and “unethical” and “hurts peoples feelings” that systems of natural selection, biological determination, levelings of people, population control(possibly but maybe not- eugenics), resource maintaining and limits, and possibly full genetic acknowledgment are needed.
This is the end of my argument, not all is surreal but is something to consider from the naturalist.
Movie proved some good points. Isn’t athiest at all really. Obviously the writer does believe in religion in one form or another by stating that the sun is what humans have looked to. When you look to the skies and the heavens to pray, it isnt because you believe heaven is there. it is because people have passed down throughout whatever religion you have followed that when you pray. you look up. Because they say heaven is above you, and hell is below you, you pray upwards. So when the writer talks of the sun being almighty….who knows maybe he worships the sun. Which i see no problem with. Religion is a subject i dislike due to so much bickering. ESPECIALLY christians. I am a christian/self beliefs. And look to history……christians always start **** with other religions. not to say those religions dont start stuff but who are we to go to “The Holy Land” and just say get out this is our land? And now we are doing it again. Idk im not trying to offend anybody i just dont see what it matters what you believe…….Just believe in something. If you believe, and truely believe in anything. You will be happy and have guidance in your life. I dont give a damn if its buddah, god, allah, jesus, muhammad, Hell (i know this will offened somebody but) why not go off and worship Marilyn Manson. (Dont worry i knoooow. I chose somebody that was dispicable to most of the public to make my point. Who cares what others belief. Once you attempt to change their beliefs you are greedy. Sorry if i offeneded anybody. I just wanted you all to know. Religion would not be controvercial if we all got along and stopped saying eachother were wrong. Zeitgeist is right because they see what is common between religions. Everybody should start seeing the similarities and not the differences. Is it a sin to befriend the nonbelievers? the infidels? the atheist? no. is it a sin to kill them? if even for religion? yes. welllll there is my take.
I am a Christian and I have seen some supernatural events none of you can explain to me or tell me different that Jesus isn’t real. You guys are so blind, and you do NOT KNOW how Satan works. HE is laughing right now that you guys believe all this junk bout undermining the deity of Jesus, and have hardened your heart to God. IF no God exists what is our purpose in living? You tell me.. why do we die? Why even try to be good people if there isn’t an afterlife? Even if you refuse to believe in Jesus, think about it.
You see how intricate our body is and the pattern of the sun rising and the seasons and space, etc… and you say it just came from a bunch of particles rubbing together. You listen to scholars who are merely human and because they have 4 degrees they automatically know the truth. scientists are suppose to be smart but true knowledge they lack. Some of my university professors were the most ridiculous individuals I meet. I’m sure you all believe in the big bang theory when none of it is provable either, but u question the Christian religion and the life of Jesus.
An atheist once said “Its easy to be an atheist when you are alive, living your life with money and success. But when you are on your death bed, its hard”
I pray for all your souls that you may find out the truth. You just do not want to believe in a God because you do not want to be accountable for your sins and be told what is wrong about your life. When you die you will realize who Jesus is and by that time it will be too late.
When there is MANY evidence/documentaries of people who can prove Jesus, none of you want to listen. But you’ll jump on anything that seems to disprove it without even looking into it. It makes no sense. You are not looking to find out the truth you are looking to disprove and mock Jesus. Its not even funny.
Anyways, I’m praying for you all! GOD DOES LOVE YOU.
Jesus is white, and God also, but goodness is in every race of people.Sin is lawlessness, but evil comes from the heart.
Jesus is for white, Mohamed for Arabs, what about African, what do they got?
Excellent watch.Liked part 1 the most. The film maker ties it all together quiet well.Enjoyable.
im not even sure that people know what a REAL documentary is anymore. first rule, the creator of the documentary should not let their opinion be known, because it would CREATE A BIAS!
this is not a documentary at all. it is the filmmaker slanting reality to conform to his uninspired conspiracy theory.
ps anyone refuting this scam on a religious basis is just as equally as foolish as someone who buys into this mockumentary.
lol@comments, if you think documentaries are supposed to not have a purpose then, you need to watch more fox news. Documentaries are biased because like even something as a simple as a history paper in university requires a basis. What you seem to forget that bias is based on facts. So if anything, you should argue against his facts not his bias. Oh dam then you are bias, what are we to do! Take what makes sense, find out for out for yourself. Nobody asked you to believe, it might be a human idea to make sure that the information given to you is valid. So stop eating off of a plate and try to make a meal that you made!
One of my favourite docs, covering a wide range of conspiracy theories (including the big one of god / religions)
Just came across this titbit of info on independent press which might be of interest. Thought I`d post it here as the main topic is 911.
US: Pilots-for-9/11-Truth examines black-box data from Flight 77 (the plane that is said to have hit the Pentagon) and discovers that the cockpit door was never opened during the flight. If so, hijackers could not have taken control.
Rock Creek Free Press Posted 2010 Jan 2. http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.com/post/285492999/flt77fdr
Joe bigots like yourself waste your lives with superstition such as Christianity, your no better that the Islamics who blow them selfs up in the name of Alah!
As long as their are religious bigots in the world, we will never move on!
James,
What does god say when he talks to you? What does his voice sound like, can anyone else hear him?
What else I’d like to know is how many licks/mushrooms does it take to talk to god?
if you are in Christ you are not of this world an of its problems of it lies of its hurt an pain you arehe said be IN THE WORLD BUT NOT OF THIS WORLD….simple put for god will guide you though no way ……
the only way someone can not beleive most of this is if their cup of tea is all ready full of cold water
I’m Ready! To join the REVOLUTION. Crusade against New World Order… Fight the corporate demons… One question: Should I pack a lunch?
PS Aforementioned comments from any faith healers have missed the point? Wars are fought because of Religion and a craving for Power. Our Belief system SUCKS! Believe in yourself for a change. God is your THIRD EYE….
This is bad beyond words
This is the very best documentary I´ve seen in my entire life, ( I´ve seen hundreds ) and after reading what is proposed in the zeitgeist movement and the venus project my vision of the world have changed dramatically, I will share this series of documentaries with all the people I can.
Al welcome to my world, this whole movement radically changed my belief system. I went to the first Zeitgueist day, and have made so many people watch the doc’s.
Steve:
Actually I’m not new to this, I saw them 2 years ago and I did another version with subtitles for addendum in spanish about a year ago.
I’m a 3d animator working on animated feature films, I offered my skills to the zeitgeist movement, this is the most radical and important movement ever design. Ive been a member of this movement for a few months now. cheers and keep on spreading the word.
Score one for the good guys. Sometimes I feel like the world has been trapped by Santa clause and were stuck inside a shopping mall while everyone outside is being pillaged and burned.
I hope god comes back again and falls into an oven or a pot of boiling water or something kinda biblical but mostly dumb.
How come god isn’t an insect?
somewhere around the 40 minute mark- “eminent attack”- check your dictionary- makes you wonder what else he didn’t bother checking
Hey Father John! A fly fell into my soup and I ate it… Now Jesus lives within me….LOL
PS: Shouldn’t it be called: New World Dis-order?
not sure if someone has mentioned this above but in april 2009 9 Danish scientists found exploded and fully intact military weapons grade nano-thermite in the dust…..100% proof inside job. Neils Harrit – google.
Thanks for the link Kowpucky. You can see the full Danish TV interview of 6th of April 2009 here,
‘http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6DQjBfbn24′
Lies mixed with truth , the most devastating of combinations.
Zeitgeist Is the controlled opposition’s work of art.
the 9/11 part doesn’t belong in this documentary.
Great documentary nevertheless
DoE: What do you mean it doesn´t belong in the doc?
Whether you like it or not, if it makes you think, even a little, it has been successful.
The major flaw in this video is assuming Jesus Christ was actually born on December 25th. Attempting to expose the truth about an issue using a lie created by the catholic church, sadly shatters the whole theme of this documentary.
i havent finished…but,what he says about krishna is defintely false..see, dwarka (city of krishna) found (2001) under the sea of the coast of gujarat (india)…
To Daniel and amar:
what difference does it make if this biblical or coranian
or mohatman data isn’t “acurate” ?
You have to understand that when it comes to thousands
of years of history many “facts” are adjusted and changed by
religious people in order to “update” their strategies to newer
followers. So there is no such thing as the “truth” and even less
when it comes to religions.
Hey Me,I was like you.The first time I went to church I knew something was wrong with that picture…lol I never believed in those stories in the bible because they are too far fetched.It was created to rule over others by making them scared of this person whom you can`t see or hear.I wouldn`t suggest anyone to believe in something they can`t see,hear or at least produce a shredd of evidence of it`s existance.People have to understand that just because your parents belive in something doesn`t make it the truth.You have to do your own reseach to find the truth and not go by a book that someone else says is the truth.It is so obvious that governments have been keeping certain information from us.And that is to keep all the citizens seperated in different ways.If everyone in the U.S. was to band together and move as one then the people will have the power.Therfore they have created all these myths to keep us going against one another so they can continue to rule over us.It`s really not as hard as people make it.Once we all realize that we are really the same we will then realize that the same people have been ruling over us for centuries.And these people do not have our best interests at heart.
Interesting documentary. The concept of all these being born on December 25th is interesting because in all those ancient religions they never used the Gregorian calendar anyway. We use it now but it was full of conjecture anyway.
If you know the Hebrew calendar you can kind of guess when it was. The use of calendars were different in each culture then, so take it with a grain of salt when saying particular dates.
And the argument against Josephus, he did not live at the time of Jesus but like any other historian we accept today did not live in the time of George Washington or Louis IV, but we accept them as experts. How do we know what they are telling us is true about them? Because someone wrote something about them makes it true?
The constellations mentioned in Job are Orion, Arcturus and Pleides. Nowhere else in the Bible does it mention any other constellation. But comparing these other religions to Christianity one must think a bit.
1: If Moses were not real but yet part of a tribe that was real and is still very real today, how could this fake person create such days as Pesach and Rosh Hashana that are still performed to this very day. The origin is in Moses, a “fake” person.
2: If Abraham were not real then how could his grandson Jacob be the father of the tribe of Levi which the priests came from? Did the priests come from non-existent people? And yet there was a real temple in Jerusalem that was maintained by priest of the tribe of Levi. So not real people had real babies. That is a miracle.
3. Pharaohs existed (or did they?)and we accept they did because someone told us they did, yet there is not one person today who claims to descend from a pharaoh.
4. If Jesus never existed, then he was nothing more than a comic book hero. Yet no one wages wars in the name of Superman or Spiderman. No one wages wars over Mithras. The Romans believed their Caesars were living gods. Why don’t we accept this? They were real (or so we are told)so therefore the Caesars must be living gods, just like Pharaohs and so they must be immortal if they are gods. Why do we not worship Julius Caesar along with Nike? Oh but we do worship Nike, but we don’t confess that we do.
So what we have are real people descended from not real people who practice real traditions created from those same not real people and these not real people told us about a not real man who made a very real religion that is still practiced 2,000 years later after this not real person did not exist.
Real Christians were thrown to real lions for worshiping a not real man, by the real Caesars who believed themselves as living gods. Don’t you see where the propaganda started? So worship Caesar and do what he says. But not one single Caesar disputed that Jesus existed, that is why Jesus was a threat to them and all adherents must die.
Mo_chara,I would suggest you go on youtube and check out the origins of christianity.There`s plenty of clips where you can find the rest of the story about the origins of christianity and the origins of Jesus.I believe that someone was up to no good back in those days.Because from what i`ve seen,the term christian derived about 100 years before the biblical birth of Jesus.And also the name Christ was supposed to have come from a man by the name of Serpis Christus.I think he was a roman or greek emporer who had control over Egypt at the time and wanted to be the pharoah of Egypt and also wanted to be deified.So the conquered Egyptians came up with the concept first and later it developed into the bible.You also have to realize that the Egyptians kept records better than any other nation in those days.They left behind mummies and writings on the walls of temples that are still around today.You can see Osiris for yourself.They`ve already dug up his body.Now you can`t say that for christianity.There`s no evidence that Jesus really existed.Also,a man from Israel would not have the name Jesus.Why would he have a latin name?In all actuallity people are praying to the wrong person.That alone shows me that something is wrong here…lol There`s too many contradictions in the bible to just say it`s the truth.The God of the bible changed from old testament to the new testament.If he`s so almighty and powerful then why does he have to keep changing his veiws of man when he created us?A real God isn`t going to make mistakes when creating human beings.He won`t have to send his son down to do his work or to die in the way he supposedly did.I say do more research on the origins of all this religeon stuff and when you find your answers your mind should feel a lot more freer than before.That was the purpose in the first place.To create something with rules for the people to follow.And if you don`t follow these rules God will punish you.That is why it says in the bible to obey the king.Religeous leaders and Rulers were the only people who gained from christianity and it`s still that way today.That is why people are just now knowing the truth about all these conspiracies that went on in the past.They knew that if everyone knew the truth the church and the ruling gov`t would loose money.I suggest we all wake up and smell the coffee.Join together as 1 and make our own rules that benifits the people.
the 9/11 stuff was being said like it’s fact. this is disgusting
Sarah:
Like it´s fact???? hahahaha
Seriously Sarah, you gotta be kidding.
Sarah you should watch 9/11 in plane sight! If you into conspiracy theory’s watch CNN, Fox news, Sky news e.c.t.
Sarah,you need to wake up from that long sleep you`ve been taking and do some more research.This is not the only documentary about these subjects.I have been researching for some years now and I`ve found all kinds of information that will blow you away.If people would veiw things with an open mind and not judge by what you`ve already been taught then you would be able to see what`s really going on.It`s all common sense.
As i open the curtains the sun blazes in, it’s so nice to feel the sun, once again on my skin, I think about the worlds problems and where to begin, the system is evil, so much so, we don’t even recognize our sin.
Polluting the earth with our Cyclical Consumption
EVERYTHING is made to break and that’s not just my assumption.
The monetary system is the one to blame
Money-debt-profit, were all going to die in vain.
An eye-opening documentary. Unfortunately the Zeitgeist movement is not offering a solution that is better than the one we have now. It’s Marxist control of the state by another name. I find it sweetly bitterly tragic that these people can present evidence and information so credibly but then use it to come to some bad solutions.
First of all skeptics always argue points that are irrelevant. They focus on the names places myths. Do the study. Religion is leaving and the age of truth knowledge & science are upon us. If you think Jesus is real then prove it. You cannot dispute the astrological comparisons and scientific/astrological facts. I was reading one rebuttal to the zeitgeist movie by a complete air head. He made claims of archeological proof that Jesus existed and many of the happenings actually existed and happened but left out where you can find this info. I want to see the evidence.
The only scientific and archeological evidence I know of actually proves the exact opposite. Jesus never existed and the bible is full of personified mythical stories that have no basis or foundation and there is no evidence that any of it ever happened. As well science has very well disproved many things in the bible. The astrological explanations are logical and real tangible facts and cannot be disputed I knew this in the 4th grade in 1967 when we were studying Horus and set and ancient religions. It is the only way the bible makes any sense. Another note the Zeitgeist isn’t saying there is no higher power or god it is saying that the elementary christian version is all mythical and is based on the astrology and science of the true existence.
If you consider what science has discovered and the proved theories in the last few decades it is reasonable to say that we are so far from the knowledge and understanding of our true source and probably not even capable of understanding it. I can never understand why people are so afraid of being mortal and realizing that no matter what happens or where we came from we cannot change any of it by making up myths and telling lies. SO why do they exist? Thats a no brainier. People always use the word conspiracy like it is a weapon. Lets face it the banking system is corrupt and responsible for inflation. The federal reserve is owned by a private group not the government.
The government is corrupt and full of people with their own agendas. There’s bribes and payoffs all the way down the line that perpetuate the ******** you cannot dispute that. Opening ones eyes is easy all you have to do is look and seek the truth but you have to be willing to accept it. Why are humans so weak and frail that they cannot accept the fact that they are going to die and no one knows what is going to happen for sure and just live a “sustainable” life. People are so confused and focusing on the things that mean nothing. All of your actions and almost everything you spend your money on has a negative effect on the world. My point of view is the astrology and science is real and fact based.
I don’t need to define my creator or source I just need to live and learn. I can tell you there is no god that is going to save us from ourselves so we need to stop polluting and stop taking the world for granted it is more important to our existence than some bible created by an emperor and his council. If you want to worship something that has meaning then worship the earth and learn to heal it not destroy it. Think about it you don’t need oil, you don’t need pharmaceuticals, you don’t need poisoned food. Our creator gave us everything we need to sustain life. No more false gods no more outrageous promises and no more lies. Grow up and face the truth like a human should. Protect the earth. Stop buying oil it will go away.
Partical, I think you hit the button right on the head.I wish everyone could wake up and see what the real truth is like you.I lost my best friend because he doesn`t beleive that there is a small group of individuals, who are very wealthy,that control everything.This was a well thought out plan.They control what people think by advertising on commercials and so on.The world is so much different than it was years ago and to me it`s not getting better.What is getting better is the fact that there`s alot more people who have waken up and starting to see the truth.
Putrid, re-regurgitated, atheistic, conspiratorial GARBAGE bound together with bacon struck from a pig’s rumpus to make it look believable.
I think the important thing is the message conveyed by those books, NOT trying to connect facts. Showing citations out of their context is wrong. The Bible like most other books was written in a way to make it interesting and pass messages to the reader. Hence the stories about fishermen, kings, shepherds, people and places that the readers could relate to back then. There was nothing wrong in re-using stories that were written before, if the correct message is to be conveyed. Now, if political and religious organizations are using the books to their own purposes that’s another story. It’s not Jesus’ or anybody else’s fault. In this documentary they seem to use the same techniques as the ones they oppose, in order to pass THEIR message! Which seems very wrong to me… There is no point trying to fight propaganda with a different kind of propaganda!
at GODISREAL.
You Sir are a fool..
a quote from your text “I’m sure you all believe in the big bang theory when none of it is provable either, but u question the Christian religion and the life of Jesus.”
at least scientists are trying to understand how things work,
without the silly scientists u would still be in the dark ages with your silly book, also what about the religions that came before Christianity? Greeks,Romans,Egyptians to name a few, what of their Gods?
this is why the world laughs at creationist
To Francois: Although you feel the messages are good in the bible,people who know that all of these stories are not true facts shouldn`t be preaching it and making money from it.They take kids and scare them to death sometimes with the garbage they tell them.You have people coming up with all kinds of garbage because of the bible.Just look at the mormons.They taught for years that black people were cursed by God…lol..What a bunch of bull.They were preaching racism all this time and you think that this book has good messages…lol..It`s hard to make people see what`s right when they have been taught wrong all their lives.Just because your parents and grandparents believe in something doesn`t mean it`s right.You have to do your own research and take a look at all of the facts,then make a decision based on the facts.Not some science fiction book that people have been taught is the undiputed truth.We as humans are so far removed from what we should be right now that you think everything people come up with is the truth or good for you and that`s not true.Quit letting things you can`t prove determine how you live your life.You have your own mind,Use it!!!!!
Why’s everyone bashing religion haha, this world is Hilarious.
1. The explanation for why there’s life on earth amounts to “It grew off crystals”, “Aliens put it there” or “It just happened”.
2. The explanation for how the information embedded in DNA came to be, is nill
3. The Explanation for the big bang is “We’re still working on it, but for closure sake, it also just happened”
4. The explanation for the Cambrian explosion, biological big bang is, “Give us a sec, there must be a reason other than religion”
Conclusion, Science is a faith, except instead of “We believe God did it” It is “We believe time will show us something we’ve been missing that magically explains everything” 98% of paleontological find, disagrees with evolution, the more we learn about the cell, the more we realise it couldnt have “Just happened”, so Time isnt on side, making it a harder “Train of thought” to believe than simply saying a designer created it all.
Factual Scientific findings (Not theories) are inline with the Bible, and creation, Gravity, Cambrian explosion, the big bang, e.t.c. even micro evolution, they in no way contradict the bible, people go read that book.
A guy calls himself a christian, smiles at you, then goes and kill someone, and you say “OMG See! Seee! chrstians!” but if a guy told you he was a millionaire, and had only a dollar in he’s pocket, you’d laugh at him.
My point is this, religion is not Christianity, Science is inline with the bible, 100% of atheists may have read the bible, but either they dont understand it, or they’re understanding of science is lacking.
@ Simon
theory of evolution explains diversity of life not the origin of life..
As someone said below.. WAKE UP SHEEPLE.
Do your research and open your minds and eyes!
Some my find this hard to get thr head around, but hey some of ‘us’ beleive a man created the world in seven days!!
As Mr Hendrix said: When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace!!!