Inner Worlds, Outer Worlds
Inner Worlds was created by Canadian film maker, musician and meditation teacher Daniel Schmidt. The film could be described as the external reflection of his own adventures in meditation.
Akasha is the unmanifested, the "nothing" or emptiness which fills the vacuum of space. As Einstein realized, empty space is not really empty. Saints, sages and yogis who have looked within themselves have also realized that within the emptiness is unfathomable power, a web of information or energy which connects all things.
The Spiral. The Pythagorean philosopher Plato hinted enigmatically that there was a golden key that unified all of the mysteries of the universe. The golden key is the intelligence of the logos, the source of the primordial om. One could say that it is the mind of God. The source of this divine symmetry is the greatest mystery of our existence.
The Serpent and the Lotus. The spiral has often been represented by the snake, the downward current, while the bird or blooming lotus flower has represented the upward current or transcendence.The ancient traditions taught that a human being can become a bridge extending from the outer to the inner, from gross to subtle, from the lower chakras to the higher chakras.
Beyond Thinking. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We live our lives pursuing happiness "out there" as if it is a commodity. We have become slaves to our own desires and craving. Happiness isn't something that can be pursued or purchased like a cheap suit.
Classic and a half, never gets old.
It is interesting that there a those see the film as being a victim of supposition, It is important to recognise that "scientific knowledge" is also supposition. Recently, experiments with a tiny subatomic particle called a 'muon' has indicated that our understanding of the Laws of Physics is inadequate. "New experiment hints that a particle breaks the known laws of physics." [National Geographic April 7 2021]. To attempt to condense thousands of years and the spiritual/scientific of many cultures and different religions was a huge undertaking. So well written and presentation is excellent!
Remember that this film was made with the current research, knowledge and understanding in science at the time. Maybe one day there'll be an update. However, what we know moves in tiny increments usually. The main message, though is one that resonates with yoga.
Very in depth and very revealing of the consciousness that’s growing in everyone
Best movie ever! explains everything in a beautiful and understandable way. I kept saying "wow". I've had many teachers but the one from whom I've learned the most was Sydney Banks who had an insight about thought and to find it in this movie was so wonderful.
Excellent documentaries ❗️❗️❗️
Thank you ?????
I watched it last week with my family. It was mindblowing because it brought all the iconography and symbolism from my past experiences and childhood, and explained their meanings and relationships to science and cosmology in simple terms. I have read the translations to the Vedic scriptures, and heard stories in the past, but the connection from the physical to the spiritual was captured beautifully in this documentary through stunning images and clear commentary.
Watch people of forever time by Damon t Berry you will love it it will take your mind to another level
Excellent film that has captured all I have learned in the last 7 years condensed into 2 hours.
I send Joy, Peace and Love to all. Remember if this film did not hit the mark for you, all flowers bloom at different times when THEY are ready to bathed with the sun.
I doubt anyone with a brain, who has traveled the path to enlightenment could not love this film. It's well planned and expressed with vivid beauty and common sense. I recommend it to one and all; especially to those rigid evangelicals and born again fanatics who always look externally for god and inner peace.
This film is an embarrassment. I actually couldn’t watch the whole thing. I’m a spiritual person but I also have a brain. So many suppositions stayed as fact. This the kind of thing that gives the spiritual community a bad name.
Sounds like someone who is far from the path of enlightenment. I feel sorry for you my friend. This documentary was nothing short of amazing
Cathy, I am a scientist and for me this film is an inspiring masterpiece, using beautiful images and the vibrations of sound to bring us closer to the divine creator and each other. Yes, many suppositions are presented as facts, but the truth is that we still have no definite answers to the important questions and and one may logically reach the same conclusions based on ancient knowledge, science and religion, which many us feel and know, subconsciously. It is uplifting and a pleasure to watch in this world of increasing darkness.
An oldie but a goodie! Still LOVE this documentary very much <3
Wow, no comments since 2016, I wonder if the thread is still active and that we can continue to share this space/time continuum. Like several other instances in my life (66 yrs so far), I was "led" to this program and information, really wasnt looking for it, but the program title caught my attention while looking for something to watch, and am very glad that I did.
hello from 2020 :D
Just like Conditioned Religious delayed postponed folks for the past 2000 plus years.
IF you people are at a point where even arguing for the existence of autonomy or identifying its place in this world is a bit beyond you, then on WHAT basis does anyone here claim to be able to understand its properties and relations? Here is a question: do you think that a large majority of your questions could be answered simply by noting the structural relations between autonomy and space/time itself? Do you think that since all mental projection is unitary then that might play a role here?
you should have the "the four horsemen" documentary from RT here...you can find it by that name on U tube ...
It should go viral ...
The 4th episode is ALL THAT
So where does the role of angst, despair, and boredom fit into all of this?
Where is genocide, betrayal, addiction, and hate? in one form of another, these are things that seem to preoccupy our minds most here on lovely mother earth.
My favorite quote from the film: The true crisis in our world is not social, political or economy. Our
crisis is a crisis of consciousness. An inability to directly experience
our true nature. An inability to recognize this nature in everyone and
in all things.
Bluetortilla, try watching this again. I believe one of the central messages of the film is that angst, despair, addiction, etc., are the direct result of our minds' creation of separation. The ego mind has created this idea of separation and we bought it. Probably because we have removed ourselves from nature and allowed the mind to take over our lives. If we truly realized that we really are all connected, how could we possibly do all those horrid things? But I believe we are starting to wake up. I believe things are shifting. I wish films like this were somehow mandatory. What a beautiful world! I am a teacher. And you better believe it that I'm going to scrap the curriculum now and then and talk with my kids about this.
Collective unconscious, as Carl Jung stated.
07:08 does anybody know the title of this song :o?
Do you mean 7 minutes in? Have you tried Shazam or Spotify? If you google the title you may find the album on there. Good luck
amazing documentary precise and informative
We create our world with our mind...perhaps that is the underlying message of all the great "religions."
Everything about this documentary is beautiful, could watch this millions of times.
Thanks to you, i got to watch it a second time, i saw and heard some parts i had not noticed previously.
The artistic presentation literally marries the message.
Your right more is revealed...i notice different things as well. It's kinda cool how the things we perceive at one time and how that expands and opens as we are ready to learn more.
Finally the world is the way it was, welcome friends to the beginning of the ascending cycle of consciousness! We haven't stood on this precipice for 12000 years, glory to the future we spend together ginette
One of the greates documentaries ever. Whenever I feel lost, I find the path in the words of wise. Thank you, thank you from the whole of my heart.
Intense yet light documentary, I really needed this. I watched this before going to bed and I had wonderful dreams, thank you
I loved it! Thank you all very much for making this so
A truly beautiful film, a must see for anyone searching for true meaning. Thank you for this gift.
"The true crisis in our world is not social, political or economic. Our crisis is a crisis of consciousness... an inability to directly experience our true nature... an inability to recognize that nature in everyone and in all things."
Directly after the guy said that I decided to go check the IMDB page. Oddly enough that's the exact same quote on the IMDB page. Now I'm wondering what kind of cosmic conspiracy I've walked into.
Very interesting documentary and well put together. It did suffer a bit from the usual pitfall of new age stuff though, the tendency to attach unwarranted meaning to symbols and patterns.
And all the love that is out there is in us too if we want it
As far as I know, the Buddha never used the term "kalapas" can you cite a reference?? Thanks.
It is unimportant, Robert. There are a lot of things from many disciplines in these documentaries. I noticed a good deal of Hindu influence, too. The fact that they are not true to some individual Buddhist tradition does not negate their value, I think they are extremely well done, and a good primer for seekers. I had no expectations, so I couldn't be disappointed. Other opinions are equally valid.
The beautiful emptiness of nothingness.Bliss
This is just a brilliant movie ! Watch it and let some other part of you other than your mind decide whether you like it or not. It just felt so right for me.
Remember feelings are deceptive. Just because it feels true, doesn't mean it is true. Having a feeling that there's a tiger in the bush doesnt mean there is a tiger in the bush.
It doesn't mean there isn't one, either.
Ive showed this to everyone I care about who I think can digest it..2 thumbs up!!
the best documentry that i have watched till date .just see it does make lot of difference in ur life
Nikola Tesla was a Croatian American -- he was born in Lika, Croatia. The film errors in that detail.
Otherwise a very intriguing doc that brings together beautiful visuals and thoughtful points for discussion.
It was not an error in the film. His family origin is Serbian, although various other countries have tried to claim him. Tesla said in? a Telegram to Croatian Leader Dr. Vlatko Macek (25 May 1936): "I am equally proud of my Serbian origin and my Croatian fatherland" ~ Nikola Tesla
Having watched the first part of this film “Akasha” I've already run into a problem. I should preface this by pointing out that I'm no scientist, and I don't consider myself a particularly spiritual person. So I don't have a foot in any particular camp. Nor is it my intent to try and pick holes in anything, but rather to try and better understand the theories that are proposed in the film.
There's a brief mention of pattern formation in animals, specifically tortoise shells and leopards spots, and the suggestion that these patterns can be explained by Cymatics, although this link wasn't really explored . It's my understanding that pattern formation in biology was explained about sixty years ago, by Alan Turing and his paper on morphogenesis, and then later backed up and expanded on, after the discovery of DNA and advances in molecular biology.
So my question is, does this Akasha/Cymatics theory attempt to reconcile itself with what we know of morphogenesis, or is it incompatible with it?
Layman's terms would be appreciated. ;)
I think you may have put more emphasis on that than ws intended. The formation of patterns in nature is more broadly explored in The Spiral, the second in the series. It is widely held now that the patterns in nature can be attributed to fractals following the golden ratio and Fibonacci number progressions which are depicted extremely well in the nautilus shell.. Everything in the universe is in a spiral. Consider our solar system. It's easy for us to think of it existing on a flat plane(like we were taught in school), but remember the sun is traveling through space in a spiral in the galaxy which is traveling in a spiral, so all the paths of the planets are spirals, too. It's a beautiful thing, and amazing, too.
What is the song that starts around 7:12?
Not bad at all, but I do get a little frustrated with the flashy, colorful presentation and the spiritual tone. It is attractive, but distracting. The thing I've often thought is that we are all in a matrix/model of perpetual movement. We are time/movement. In that our very experience, and consciousness, is constant motion. I would recommend the Youtube videos of David LaPoint and his idea of "The Primer Fields" as a new model of how everything is held together without the need of gravity. In other words the major force is one of Electro magnetism(hence, in my opinion it relationships of the fields of energy to fields of energy, so to speak) but not limited to only EMFs, but all force... this would then eliminate the need of gravity and the invented idea of Dark Matter of Dark Energy. Neat idea.. I'll "Inner Worlds Outer Worlds" three letters...a o k.
The Primer Fields videos appear extremely interesting. They should be featured on TDF but linking them is already a good idea.
Hey I do not know if you have read it or not but there is a book written by Eric J Lerner Titled The Big Bang Never Happened. Sadly not widely read by the public.
It however goes into the flaws of the BB Theory. Like you stated the invention of Dark Matter and energy and what ever else it takes to keep the theory going.
Other than the BBT I can think of no other theory of such importance that when observation simply does not match theory the scientific community(the large part that makes their money off of the theory) simply invents things to make it plausible again.
Lerner attempts to (and does very well) explain observation through plasma.and electromagnetism. Instead of inventing things to fit a theory he draws upon works of others to explain how the universe we observe is better explained as a plasma universe dominated by electromagnetic fields and plasma instead of "gravity". It is an excellent theory that deserves our attention(the establishment in control of labs and universities and all the money) In it there is no need to constantly keep inventing forms and forces to keep the theory in line with observation. I think you will find it interesting.
Sounds good, I will make an effort to read Lerner's book. 6 months ago I was in a cynical state of mind with regard to traditional science and objective thought but then Dave Lapoint's Primer Fields did open things up a bit and the study of Cymatics really does show how frequency can make the formless create form and animation. It also makes fluid look "solid"... all this seems in line with the reports of psychedelic drug trips or even simple meditation, blah blah blah. lol But these ideas of plasma and EMF's are intriguing. Thanks for the info! BTW, there is also the work of Thomas Campbell, a former NASA physicist and his book trilogy "My Big T.O.E."
some errors here and there. The so called map of dark energy, was not dark energy. This was a map of the Galaxies, which is getting more and more complex, as we gather more information.
it's beautifully presented ( I saw the first 2 chapters) It mainly has a positive message attached with it! that's all, how many documentaries to that these days? or any media? Through all there findings/research and meditation as the reflection, it make some sense, with peace and connectedness, yes we are all 'one' co-existing together, sharing this life, this planet , each other, as a common species and with all our order and chaos, it still works out in the end somehow...There's also a very well written book on this topic by a quantum physicist Dr Darryl Reaney, titled "Music of the Mind" an adventure into consciousness, I hope you all find it! xx
Thanks Daniel Sunjata for linking this.
I wrote a fiction four book series playing with these concepts. I attempted to create a story that unveils like an onion, exposing more of the inner workings of the universe as it goes. It was written in a way to manipulate the reader to examine these issues as the story goes on. I made the first two books (the Caves of Etretat+ The Four books of Etretat) free on smashwords, if you want to check them out.
Most readers go into it thinking it's a regular thriller story and only discover the spiritual aspects in the last book. Few are aware going in that the story is not at all what it seems. I tried to incorporate the main theories about our existence into the storyline and provided one possible answer to explain everything.
Let me know what you think, if you get a chance.
I'll give it a try...sounds interesting.
Hope you like it. An interesting aside to the series is that when I wrote book four I was led to the 'creation formula'. It happened purely as a process of trying to write a proper storyline and the formula is not mine in any way. I see it as the process of quantum creation of particles and anti-particles, using energy borrowed from the future, occuring everywhere in the universe. It is the source of matter, the energy or matrix and rules underlying reality.
Anyway, my point is that one day, I realised that paper money/credit is based on the same formula. Think of a mortgage loans as an example. The more I thought about it, the more this curious coincidence grew in my mind. Perhaps the reason money is so succesful is that it is based on the creation formula. Perhaps money is our attempt to recreate the universe. The only problem is that the money universe is not real. Money can never replace reality.
Of course, the whole point of my series was to demonstrate that the universe was an illusion. I'm not sure what that makes of money. It's just a curious observation but it is deeply troubling for me.
I like this... Have similar ideas about the creation formula... Like the head of the snake swallowing the tail of its own corporate body...But it would have to be... Because it is.. apparently at a certain age where things are experienced to be ... wax and wane and happen consecutively...within this world and looking out into This universe. Time - place as fixed is the illusion since we have overlap retention....surely.. Now I don't think of money as any thing but representative...but wonder is the future beautiful brotherhood of science conscience and faith (as an outcome of what is foreknown) already a real or merely projected corporate body. A heavenly futuristically anticipated host... already in existence? Much like Christians insist Jesus could live in time and remain as part of The Father's heavenly eternal conceptual arrangement I am fascinated by pics of water... How the assemblage of atoms n molecules is altered by associated time place expectations and words and by the fact that Islam has n open ended future... The last days cannot arrive unless certain indicators arrive and critical mass tips us equally into successful navigation of earth future into disaster.
The formula implies its own creation, without doubt. The future is what brings the past into creation. Self-creation, within a matrix of potentiality. That logic was forced on me by the process of writing about it, in the 'Greyman'. I do not see it as a repetitive process, locked into endless cycles, but rather as a spiral process of creation continually re-inventing itself, with improvements or variations.
This is a beautifully made Doc, I’m not surprised that it has won several prestigious awards already but I am surprised that this is not mentioned in the Doc description. Checkout the link in the doc itself for lots more info. This visual feast for the eyes is complimented by a well narrated description of the universe through many ancient meditation techniques. The terrific HD images of the Mandelbrot fractals that you could eventually morph into a BuddhaBrot were especially stunning. There’s lots of good philosophy in here as well to go along with the very good in parts soundtrack.
“If you name me, you negate me.” Soren Kierkegaard/The Individual.
The narrator mispronounces Kierkegaard, it’s pronounced
Kierkergore, this I can forgive but not overlook, the mispronunciation of Nietzsche however I cannot forgive. Heads should roll!!! Lol. It’s pronounced Nietzschuh.
The Crucified One
You should hear me pronounce Soren Kierkegaard and even Nietzsche. But i can blame my French twist of tongue.
I agree, i too, enjoyed this doc.
so now if we can begin to think/communicate with our hearts in place of our minds we may be able to over come these obstacles.
Wow... Thank you Daniel Schmidt you really help me understand and see light and consciousness in a new way XOXOXO
You get what you concentrate on, there are no other rule....and as a whole we get what, together, we concentrate on.
Meditation allows one to access the stem of personal being, it is perhaps impossible once out of a meditatitve state to find the exact words to describe to an other what was accessed.
That is THE problem with separating religion, they try to tell every ones what their inner says or should say. As people are raising out of separating religion and many are, we are left with whispers of our own depth.
Documentary such as this one, offers a path to explore.
Reading about meditation is not doing meditation therefore without meditating repeatedly one cannot agree or dissaprove with the practice.
Again, you get what you concentrate on.
I understand what you’re saying oQ it’s a very personal thing and on that note I would advise that anyone interested in meditation should read or research a little first. Many common mistakes can be avoided by just checking out the basic principles. If I remember correctly the Doc “The Best of Alan Watts” here at TDF has some good tips and youtube has loads of excellent basic meditation vids, check out a few and go with what you feel most comfortable with is my tuppence worth.
Btw. I checked out your gallery, lots of great stuff, my fave is your current avatar. I looked everywhere for your face and in particular your eyes but you only looked out to camera in one. And guess what? There was only one eye ;-) I looked into it and it looked into me... across the abyss, I looked inside your head...
I can understand the advice about basic meditation but when it comes to finding what type of meditation one should use, i regard that like a spiritual expression: "à chacun sa façon".
I keep thinking i shoud update that gallery.
And I'm thinking that part of your practice is your art.
YES, i agree.
Art and philosophy are sort of the same realm. One is acted out while the other is discussed both offer a view of life for the time being.
Nice... For my own two cents, it seems that our conscious awareness is the key. And that is, in my opinion, what this documentary is about, perhaps it is like a stone in river we need to cross.
lol not commenting on ne1 elses comment ....this one is just right up my alley :)
These four videos are the most brilliant and amazing videos I've ever seen. I was amazed by how well the information was conveyed and the content was absolutely incredible. I highly recommend watching these videos and studying the content. After all these years I finally understand the importance of meditation and how absolutely fundamental it is in exploring the inner self. Thank you so much for posting these videos, I for one will definitely take to heart the message and I believe knowing the information that I just learned will help me to evolve into a more spiritual and enlightened person which is to say I already feel more joyful, content, eager, hopeful, and excited so thank you again.
Damn, now I have to spin as well! What next, jumping up and down? Seems like an awful lot of work! Best bit so far is the cornflour, worst bit? Not sure, probably all of it.... Its like asking which sweet is worst for your teeth, they all are but you eat them anyway. Good jet lag TV ;)
logos means speech in greek
More accurately “logos” is a complete idea expressed “as in
a corporate logo”, originally the term for “a principle of order and knowledge” and that can include a speech, an equation or symbols such Pi. Actually Pi would be the better example. One word “Greek (lexis)” expressing a complete idea.
Yes, glad you expanded concepts on this.. The idea the creative " BE " command is based upon principles of a focused purposeful meaningful ordering up of an opening out from the void or from chaos... In order that a range of spiritual to physically incarnate things be revealed...experienced and manifest...known outwardly from a complete internal knowledge of the mechanics of purposeful evolutionary step by step- staged implementation ,maintenance ,sustenance...for some final closure AND possible further progressively perfected entities...is a very large one. Creation, it is theologically maintained , is for the praise of what is manifestly seen to be and known as Good ! Christian theology made a complete trinity idea out of logos personified in a Christ that existed simultaneously at 3 levels...while Islam talks about blessings heaped upon him eternally in time...past present and future continuous... And made a new futuristic trinity out of science, conscience and faith ...as the sure successful holistically shared systemically proven and approved final outcome of the way...search into the former two ...rather than mans incomplete sectarian - supposition differences divides. ... Hoping for One out of all of them... The equally acceptable amalgamated offerings of all given inspired and pertinent messages..as man builds by thesis and antithesis...dialogue with the other. Completion is fixed in Islam in the final message... But while man can plant the trees on his way to manufacture paradise on earth ... As his purposeful endeavour with God... The ultimate Creationist power
"In the beginning was the Word" translation > everything was and still is nothing but vibrations.
it is not psyma or cyma the right pronunciation is kyma and kymatics. kyma means wave in greek...
The term was coined by Swiss research Dr. Hans Jenny who is considered to be the father of cymatics/ kymatics. The English pronunciation is with a soft "C" as in the film, but it is sometimes written and spoken as "kymatics", as Jenny's own language used the hard K sound. English speaking experts in the field typically pronounce the soft C, while Europeans often pronounce the hard K.
If we all hum the right hum at the same time we can create a universe!!! ;)
I just saw the first part and I think it was made brilliantly. I highly recommended it to medium and advanced spiritual seekers. Perhaps not because it is so correct and factual, but it at least throws up some great ideas that can be used for spiritual self-reflection. Furthermore, I love speakers who try to reunite the spiritual roots of all major and minor spiritual and religious traditions.
For those who have no spiritual background (as in for instance Buddhism, Ancient Hinduism, Etherical Christiandy, Suffism, etc.), I hope you can refrain from reactions that reflect a total lack of understanding of this material. No need for a show of indifference.
"No need for a show of indifference"
No need for a show of difference either, but while we're indulging one, it seems only fair we indulge the other as well. ;)
Who knows, maybe the cosmos will positively thrum with the duality of it all. But if not.....meh, I've still got peanut butter on toast and a comfy sofa, so it's all good. :)
eating peanut butter on toast will not help u or anyone else look in side your self and then your getting some where ;)
Sure it will. You've got to nourish the body before you can even hope to nourish the mind. ;)
In other words you hope no one that disagrees or thinks this is total b.s. speaks up, that only those who give spirituality what you feel is the right respect will express their opinions. Because, according to you, if you disagree or think it is b.s. you are displaying a lack of understanding of such material. Do you see how your stance totally protects you from having to seriously consider any arguments against what you already believe? You have already dismissed them by discrediting their authors as ignor@nt before you even hear them. Its amazing to me how someone could do such a thing and then turn around and tell others they are closed minded, it makes no sense.
To present an argument would not reflect a lack of understanding now would it? On the other hand, to dismiss the material outright with cynical comments and sweeping generalizations towards anything considered "spiritual" material does indeed reflect a lack of understanding. I think that's what they were getting at.
I see your crusade on the "closed minded" type comments continues unimpeded.
While I'm usually a big fan of your comments in general, i must take note I've heard this speech from you many times in the past, it's almost a knee-jerk reaction now to anyone who hints at keeping an open mind.
Here is the problem, any documentaries that deals with 'spirituality' are often counter-intuitive to facts and science because of their abstract nature. They can't be measured, so why bother trying.
Those with a outward scientific personality will often dismiss any alternative abstract spiritual ideal because of this lack solidity and observable measurement. (a form of close-mindedness, and perhaps justifiably so).
Nevertheless, because of the very thing that 'closes the mind' of the rational scientist (for example) ironically also equally defends the author from any ridicule because of the impossibility of it's measurement.
It's your typical catch-22,
But if both you (wald0) and Frisco took the time to absorb the message of this documentary, you would realize the point is not to convert the listener, rather its about the journey inward, and not outward.
Only through your experience can you judge it for yourself, that is the main principle of inward expression
Those with an open mind will try to meditate and judge it on that basis,
Likewise those practicing spiritual individuals will harness some of the information from this film to better their journey.
Finally, those outward seeking scientists will continue to dismiss these things because it does not conform to measurable science.
I think whether you agree, or disagree with this documentary is irrelevant --> its a philosophy and the practices in self discovery are contemporary for the practitioner and is not meant to depict the truth, but merely aid in the path.
Waldo didn't say anything about the documentary whatsoever. He was just stating that Frisco in advance closed his door to confronting arguments which is indeed "close minded" attitude.
You also say that documentaries that deal with 'spirituality' are often counter-intuitive to facts and science because of their abstract nature. That is utterly wrong because modern science is the one which is truly counter-intuitive, not spirituality. Theory of relativity quantum mechanics, etc. are so far from the common sense that are truly incomprehensible by the laymen.
On the other hand spirituality is indeed abstract, but not counter-intuitive in the sense that you can't comprehend it. Spiritual concepts are extremely simple and they align with the common sense, but it is claimed that their products are something not easily describable, which is not counter-intuitive but rather ambiguous.
Perhaps i should have clarified my response, I believe for the average scientist, the concept of the spiritual reality discussed is indeed counter intuitive to their training and modern scientific thought.
You are however absolutely correct that the frontier science is indeed counter-intuitive to the layman because of some theories like 'String theory", "entanglement", dark matter, energy etc... But for a scientist it can be justified based on the mathematical principle, which for them gives it validity.
So to clarify, in Science the idea of spirituality is indeed counter-intuitive to their trained method of thought.
I don't think the scientific mainstream community is ready to bridge that gap.
On the contrary. Even the simplest scientific facts are counter-intuitive... like the shape of the Earth, the movement of the Sun (Earth), the speed, the Mpemba effect,... etc.
So not only the frontier science is counter-intuitive but most parts of the everyday science is not aligned with our common sense too.
As for the spirituality, it is completely subjective, psychological notion, that even lacks proper definition. It is more of a personal development training.
For example if I say to you "Listen there is one big collective consciousnesses in the universe that upon enlightenment, you'll be able to enter it," there is nothing counter-intuitive to it. It is only ambiguous. It is religious statement, nothing more.
But if I say, "Listen the Earth on which you stand moves around the Sun at speed 100,000 km/h", that is really counter-intuitive, meaning completely contrary to what your feelings and senses tell you.
Having said that, spirituality is not counter-intuitive to the scientific mind. It is only ambiguous... meaning open to many interpretations, having double meaning, unclear, etc.
Great Doc, a balanced over-all presentation from a universal seeker POV. Both Scientist and Mystic eventually enter the arena of the imagination in the same mind state. Their objectives differ; then again maybe they don't. Thanks
How do you find the time to watch them all prior to presentation on TDF?
I would not agree with your statement that modern science (relativity, quantum mechanics, etc.) is counter-intuitive "because it so far from common sense".
I would argue that the findings within the fields of modern science that you mention are only beyond the scope of traditional Newtonian mechanics, not the common sense. Newtonian mechanics is easily comprehensible because it measures phenomena that we can all physically see or feel.
Thanks to new technologies, which allowed new insights into the realm of the basic building blocks of life (and I stress - the BASIC building blocks of life) that no one can see with their naked eye, the modern scientific fields bring a scientific dimension to the notions that are purely intuitive, those that deal with issues beyond our eyesight, those that we can only feel on an instinctive level. This new type of science may be incomprehensible to the layman in terms of mathematics, but once translated into the language that a layman can understand it is absolutely comprehensible and makes sense on the intuitive level.
I understand that this can be very disconcerting to the Newtonian-based minds, be they scientific or non-scientific, because those rely on measurement not intuition.
In the same lines, spirituality is an ambiguous term only to the mind entrenched in the Newtonian mechanics, mind that can't transcend the 18th century physics and accept the probability that the 21st century physics may be a bit more advanced in terms of new, previously not considered (scientific) frontiers.
There just may be something more beyond 18th century science, just a bit more, known to Homo Sapiens since it came to existence... intuition, which helped us being where we are now, without measurement....
As I've already said in another comment, you don't need to go to quantum mechanics to realize that most of the science is counter-intuitive... of course if we agree what counter-intuitive means (Contrary to what intuition or common sense would indicate)
Earth rotation and revolution with 100,000 km/h is not obvious to your senses. You stand on solid, non-movable ground and you're seeing how the Sun slowly moves across the sky. But Newtonian physics tells you very precisely that your senses are fooling you. You stand on an object that moves very, very fast across the space and the Sun is not moving across the sky, but the Earth rotates around it. In other words even Newtonian physics explains counter-intuitive facts.
However you want to discuss this matter, science is almost always associated with counter-intuitiveness, not spirituality.
I understand your point of view. The Newtonian mechanics also explains to us the things that we cannot see with our naked eye and are counter-intuitive because we can't feel the movement of the Earth.
But I still argue that the Earth's rotation and revolution are dealing with issues that could have been explained with measurements that involve relatively simple understanding of the physical phenomena around us that could have been, and have been, explained by science by (scientifically in terms of today's science) simple measurements.
And if you want to discuss physical science as we accept it today, we have to start from Newton, so I don't understand what is the issue to discuss. Or perhaps we should discuss his occult studies and religious tracts? I suppose his science in that respect was counter-intuitive, compared to modern science?
of course if we agree what counter-intuitive means (Contrary to what intuition or common sense would indicate) <---- possibly indicative of our non-symbiotic human nature.
I have to disagree with you a bit when you say "Newtonian mechanics is easily comprehensible" just because we can see it, it still after all relies on science, math, measurement, just because we see and feel and comprehend with our senses, which are grand illusionists at the best of times akin to pareidolia of the mind. It is about as elusive as time itself.
Everything, even us and our consciousness is counter-intuitive and revolves around science and probabilities at the quanta level where everything starts from, there is no other way.
O.k. so what if I had of posted what Friso did except from the opposite point of view. I would have said something like, "I hope no one that buys this decides to post here, because to agree with this would only mean they had to misunderstand it." You would have been the first to have issue with that statement. But, as long as it is from the other point of view your fine with it? Yes, many scientifically minded people dismiss spirituality before they hear the argument and obviously many spiritual people dismiss scientific objection before they hear it as well. I did neither I commented on someone else's blatant dismissal of any objection to his point of view by categorizing it as, "misunderstood". Well, I think it is very possible to completely understand this material and still disagree with it.. That is my opinion. It is also my opinion that to dismiss any alternative point of view as simply misunderstood is insulting. Its saying, I am so convinced i am right that any dissenting view is obviously the product of ignorance and I need not pay it any attention.
Thank you !!! :) I see no basis for contention anywhere in this documentary. What this film did for me was to confront my ignorance and I find that to be a great starting point for a journey inward.
"Beliefs" served as blinders for me, I have adopted a "current understanding" position in such matters, which leave me open to new information and eliminates the inclination to defend my "beliefs" ... :)
Dear Wald0, seeking the spiritual within is a path that is beyond the arguments of reasons given. It is not explanable with words, for the proces is entirely experience based and in order to understand the words that áre used in a doc like this; you need the experience to understand what they point to. We can all use the word 'car' or 'tree', for we have a common understanding of what these pointers points to. One could even say we have a common understanding on more abstract (but difinable) concepts like for instance 'decomocrazy'.
Yet, words like 'emptyness', 'inner stillness', 'the mind' and 'consciousness' do not refer to solid objects or defined concepts, but refer to direct experiences. Experiences you can only have hear and now. Would you comment with 'b.s. rethoric' on a documentary about experiencing orgasms if you have never had one? You simply wouldn't know what everybody means.
Now, when a lot of people comment, not noing what the words or statements in this doc point to, a general atmosphere of dissaprovel might appear in which it becomes extremely difficult to learn to understand what the doc tries to point to. In this case, spirituel depth through seeing the universe from a different perspective. Therefore, commenting whilst not having experience with the spiritual path is very likely to broaden the misunderstanding. No one would want to increase the amount of misunderstanding in the world and therefore I pointed out that lack of spiritual experience very well may make one an ill-fitted person to comment on this doc.
Having that said, I do agree that no-one possesses the truth and therefore no-one should be able to exclude others from opinion. Yet, I feel like having the right to advice others in what kind of background is needed in order to make a reanoble statement on the matter. Dear Wald0, I must admit I could have been more precise in doing this and your comment had made this clear to me. Thank you for that and have a pleasent day.
wald0, hmmm, it is ironic that you attack Friso Wouldstra position without making a strong argument against the film (rather than presumably against Friso) yourself. It is just a documentary that Friso found intriguing, but apparently you find it not so intriguing. Good, then why don't you tell us what you don't like about this film rather than what you don't like about Friso's positive reaction to the first portion of the film? There, I hope that is not asking too much. Thank you for your consideration.
You don't know how many times i looked around to see if you were back. Strange because in my opinion we didn't get along that well, but i always was curious as to what you would say about something. I had classified you a certain way and it was sort of important for me to know what such person would think about different subjects.
I approach most people this way.
What is total BS? Total is a big word, it leaves no room for any good smelling stuff, does it?
The fact is this person doesn't know if he is right any more than anyone else when it comes to be certain about existence. Still he ventures to paint an artistic and eloquent picture of what it could be. Anyone interested in life above all, would look at all options.
It reminds me of two portraits on top of each other and the combined image caused by the union. The possible meaning of spirituality through the ages in symbiosis with the accumulation of scientific knowledge through the years.
Is he right, is he wrong, does it matter until you finish watching it with attention? and then being right or being wrong may not matter so much.
If you're going to watch just one film on spiritual awareness, life, the world, reality, the self, the possible, the future, and more, all presented in a beautiful artistic digital expression...let it be this one. You won't be disappointed.
It is long so take it some at the time, pause and restart. It will grow on you. You may instinctively disagree with a lot (or most or all) of it, but let it talk before you criticize...all the way to the end. Criticizing is better done when aware of what one is criticizing.
It is all linked together by TDF...just press play.
i smell a new ager....it has the odeur of emulating spiritual nothingness.
I agree.What one may or may not believe is not important to an other.PROVIDED they don,t hold any kind of intimating or dictatorial power.