Life or Death in the Gaza Strip

Life or Death in the Gaza Strip

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Chernobyl HeartA rare glimpse of the embattled Gaza Strip and a chance to see what life was like under the rule of Hamas. In 2007 VICE tried and failed to get into Gaza through the Israeli-controlled Erez Crossing.

Back then the rival Palestinian factions of Hamas and Fatah were engaged in a bloody war for control of this tiny strip of land.

Hamas won. When the post-Mubarak government of Egypt decided to start letting small numbers of folks into Gaza through their Rafah Crossing, VICE knew they could finally enter the region.

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perplexed_arrogant
perplexed_arrogant
8 years ago

As both Arabs and Israelis are supposedly Semitic, shouldn't then anyone criticizing any of these groups be called anti-Semitic? That would of course include mr walterr44?

perplexed_arrogant
perplexed_arrogant
8 years ago

A kind of paradox - as both Arabs and Israelis are supposedly Semitic, shouldn't then anyone criticizing any of these groups be called anti-Semitic?

Happybirthdaysanta
Happybirthdaysanta
11 years ago

You know what would solve all of there problems on both sides.. the core of both of their religions "FORGIVENESS" AND to see each other as human not Jew or Palestinian... this applies to everyone around the world too.. "HELLO" where all human....

HAPPYBIRTHDAYSANT
HAPPYBIRTHDAYSANT
11 years ago

THE EGYPTIANS should of killed MOSES. HITLER was right. the KHAZARS should be sent to the sun. Harsh but at least we can start to rebuild the country together united as an equal. ZIONISM IS THE PROBLEM!

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

Neutral reader

Read the post by slpsa. I don't have to say anymore. I don't have to prove my points. slpsa is a far better spokesman for Israel than I could ever be.

1Superstudent
1Superstudent
11 years ago

What REALLY blew me away was those por souls in the jail
who were only using drugs and would be executed after being
in there for one year...

Amazing that anyone would tolerate such oppresive and
inhumane Islamic law...

As bad how they put Allah this, Allah that BULLSHIT
into their dialogue...

And so much for wwomens rights, 6 years in prison for
having a child out of wedlock...
What an oppresive regimea

saloom
saloom
11 years ago

It is really mind-boggling how much damage Israel has caused to the Palestinians - be it the economy, the environment, their physical well-being or the trauma and stress they cause every day. Israel steals, robs, plunders, attacks, destroys and murders and gets away with it on a daily basis and on top of all Israelis claim to be the victims. Amazing.....

RileyRampant
RileyRampant
11 years ago

Israel has all the cards.

Its hard to play victim when you have all the cards. But, amazingly...

some folks will buy anything. In the USA, that's a solid majority of the population.

We are not an overly discerning lot, unless it matters to us for some venal reason or another. Palestinians don't count for much here, no one really cares about their history, their present, their future, their human rights.

Read today's article in the NYT by Dayan. According to this person, everyone - Israeli or Palestian - is pretty much satisfied with the status quo. Funny stuff.

Jack1952, the critical difference between the two is that one has a state, massive armaments, us diplomatic cover, power, borders, dignity - the other has none. Go back and take another look. At least, come up with your own take, rather than the tired propaganda line. Angry words are all the Palestinians have been left with. And those are used to continuously oppress & dispossess them. Its really a nasty business one shouldn't be a part of legitimizing.

slpsa
slpsa
11 years ago

Indeed. As we see, neutrality is another word for anti-Semite according to Mr Neutral Reader guy.

4Christ
4Christ
11 years ago

Perpetutaion od PRPAGANDA.

richard wilmot
richard wilmot
11 years ago

How much does Hamas suck... more than Israel... but not by much.

slpsa
slpsa
11 years ago

When you admit there are problems with killing innocents on both sides, and meet me half way, perhaps this could have been civil. Instead you blame one side, and one side only. I am no supporter of religion if it matters. Any of them. Regardless, we get the point. You are biased, any other opinion is anti- Semitic, therefore, there is no debate. You are right. End of. I hope they paid you well for this.

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

Neutral reader

A true adovate for Israel would never advocate atacking
innocent Moslems. Only the ones who support the annihilation
of Israel and the use of terror thoughout the world.

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

To Neutral reader.
All people have their biases, for only a zombie can go through life without biases.
But not all people are interested in the same things, and you neutral
reader haven't been following the assault on Israel very closely and so know
little about the conflict. It is you that write. I don't
want you to be mislead.

It's monotonous but I'll repeat. If you examine my previous posts you will
see that I gave facts that can be verified by you. The anti Israel side
if they did give facts were cherry picked ones which I countered
with the truth. The rest of their arguments consists of extreme leftist
and Arab fundamentalist propaganda accompanied by ad hominem attacks
most of which consist of crackpot psychology.

True, I made what could be considered my own ad hominem attack.
I called the anti Israel commentators here anit semites. If you go back and read that post, neutral reader, you will see that I was careful to state
that it was an opinion not a fact. Unlike the anti Semites who babble
about Israel's supposed atrocities as fact but which can't be substantiated.

I call it as i see it. Arguendo, even if half the libels against Israel were true
they still would not amount to the horrors the Chinese inflicted on Tibet,
the Turks have inflicted and still inflict on the Kurds, the caste system
in India, the Native americans in south america and so on, and on.
But only Israel has received such a singular focus with world wide
boycotts and protests by the knee jerk left and some neo nazi groups.
(though I think there is little difference between them).
But the tragedy is that libels are entirely false. the atrocities are committed by the the so called Palestinians, who like "honest Iago" in shakespeare's Othello accuse Israel of what they're guilty of.

Ah yes AIPAC so often brought up by the anti semites. The anti semites modern version of the Protocols of Zion. So far this way too moderate
group of appeasers has only done what hundred of other lobbying groups
have done, lawfully lobby congress. Of course the anti semites froth at the
mouth at this while ignoring the Arab Oil money pumped into american universites to poison the minds of amrerica.

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

To Neutral reader.
All people have their biases, for only a zombie can go through life without biases.
But not all people are interested in the same things, and you neutral
reader haven't been following the assault on Israel very closely and so know
little about the conflict. It is you that write. I don't
want you to be mislead.

It's monotonous but I'll repeat. If you examine my previous posts you will
see that I gave facts that can be verified by you. The anti Israel side
if they did give facts were cherry picked ones which I countered
with the truth. The rest od their arguements consists of extreme leftist
and Arab fundamentalist propaganda accompanied by ad hominem attacks
most of which consist of crackpot psychology.

True, I made what could be considered my own ad hominem attack.
I called the anti Israel commentators here anit semites. If you go back and read that post, neutral reader, you will see that I was careful to state
that it was an opinion not a fact. Unlike the anti Semites who babble
about Israel's supposed atrocities as fact but which can't be substantiated.

I call it as i see it. Arguendo, even if half the libels against Israel were true
they still would not amount to the horrors the Chinese inflicted on Tibet,
the Turks have inflicted and still inflict on the Kurds, the caste system
in India, the Native americans in south america and so on, and on.
But only Israel has received such a singular focus with world wide
boycotts and protests by the knee jerk left and some neo nazi groups.
(though I think there is little difference between them).
But the tragedy is that libels are entirely false. the atrocities are committed by the the so called Palestinians, who like "honest Iago" in shakespeare's Othello accuse Israel of what they're guilty of.

Ah yes AIPAC so often brought up by the anti semites. The anti semites modern version of the Protocols of Zion. So far this way too moderate
group of appeasers has only done what hundred of other lobbying groups
have done, lawfully lobby congress. Of course the anti semites froth at the
mouth at this while ignoring the Arab Oil money pumped into american universities to poison the minds of amrerica.

slpsa
slpsa
11 years ago

I think what Mr Neutral Reader guy misses, is there really are no neutral readers. And if there are, the spin put on his version of things are far from reality and certainly biased, hardly would that type of propaganda sway any intelligent person's opinion. An abused person without counseling, always wants to be the victim. Israel and the Palestinians are both exhibiting the same sort of behavior. Both play the victim, both unable to understand their own behavior carries on this situation. Enough said, The non existent neutral readers have probably seen and heard enough by now, all none of them. The biased AIPAC type tripe is seen through like a pane of glass. You fool noone.

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

To the neutral reader

I never said that slpsa advocted genocide. I stated Hamas advocates genocide
and he seems to ignore that fact. This issue is a red herring

I haven't put words in anyone's mouth. Quoting someone is not putting words
in anyone's mouth

" For this reason, you are not being taken seriously by anyone here, but your one supporter."
thank you one supporter it's quality that's important not quantity. For once slpsa is offering a fact. Except for my one intelligent supporter no one here supports me. But that fact is just about the only accurate fact he's ever given. The rest of his arguement consists of ad hominem attacks.

"But sadly, many of us do not find racist trash funny, at all."
Neutral reader
ask yourself what racist trash have I presented?
And also ask yourself isn't an attack on the Jewish state without
any legitimate evidence to back it up a racist attack.
Isn't it racist to ignore all evidence of malfeasance on the part of
the so called Palestinians and on the other hand totally distort Israel's
attempt to defend itself.

Neutral reader.
I'm well aware that most of the commentators here are against me.
I am also aware from their statements that they are anti Semites.
I don't present this as a fact but as an opinion based on their comments
which do not answer my factual presentation.
That's why I'm addressing you neutral reader and not the bigots who babble on this page. Once again use my previous posts to ascertain the objective truth that Israel is rightly defending itself aginst an enemy that not only is wants to destroy not only Israel but also the United States and the concept of liberal democracy.

slpsa
slpsa
11 years ago

With all due respect Walter, nowhere did I advocate war and genocide. You are now treading into a place where you make up your facts and put words in others mouths and make their statements what you want them to be. For this reason, you are not being taken seriously by anyone here, but your one supporter. In fact, your comment is so asinine, it is laughable. Please carry on appealing to the readers who are not here, we love when crazy nutjobs entertain us. If your outlook was not so ignorant, it would be satire. But sadly, many of us do not find racist trash funny, at all.

dmxi
dmxi
11 years ago

how can someone 'un-neutral' expect 'neutral' attention ?

dmxi
dmxi
11 years ago

only the weak & the hurt turn to bias-rhetoric, due to their dire need of comforting...
...that they are worth-while!

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

Dear Neutral reader.

One of the commentators recited one of the most banal statements,
"Two wrongs do not make a right."
This trite expression is used often whenever Israel takes steps to defend
itself. It's used far less often about the Palestinians when their suicide
bombers kill innocents.

Neutral reader,l why is defending yourself yourself a wrong?
The steps Israel takes to protect its citizens are steps that any nation would take when faced with a murderous enemy that deliberately targets woman
children. I have been called biased by some biased commentators.
True, I'm biased. I never said I wasn't I'm biased on the side of a democracy while most of the other commentators are biased in favor of Islamofascists
who advocate war and genocide.

slpsa
slpsa
11 years ago

Like I said Jack, the biased ones like Dear Mr Neutral Reader would not make very good parents. Their parents did an awful job it seems as well. They cannot understand one of the basic ideas you teach young children. Two wrongs do not make a right. So, that being said, responding in any meaningful way to their tripe is verbal masturbation, with no feelings of satisfaction awaiting the end of the conversation. The biased ones are pretty much the same as the religees, it is a massive waste of energy trying to use logic and morality in any debate.

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

To the Neutral reader

I will no longer present a point by point rebuttal to all the nonsense
presented by the coterie of Israel bashers because all of them
were rebutted in my previous posts on this page and I'm
not going to answer ad hominem attacks

I will offer a comment on the following,
"How was the relations between Arabs & Jews during the whole 1900's century? Say, just a little before 1914 for instance? Better yet, before the "Balfour Declaration", Huh? You got a very short sight."

Throughout history generally speaking the Moslem world tolerated
the Jews, because like Christians they were "people of the Book."
But neither christian no jew was considered a full citizen or an equal to
a moslem. Though the general record was one of tolerance there were from
time persecutions of both Jews and christians.
Other non moslems were actively presecuted

Lastviewer
Lastviewer
11 years ago

As far as I remember, what could be considered as the "Oldest" last time was in some big book in which an unknown or vague third party said tjat his "Only god" once told him that this or that land will all be for his son and descendants. Anyhow, all other living individuals were not fit for his planned heaven.

A bit of the same thing that all Monarchies used along the thousands of years humankind existed. Only those chosen really had worth.

In some and many cases since the industrialisation, other means of that "Being the special elected" took over.
For example, communism or dictatorism as seen in North Korea.
There are good means (Systems) and there are worst ones.
It only depends upon upon the "Elite" that many calls "Diaspora".

Pretty simple to see along the centuries.

Bryon Franzen
Bryon Franzen
11 years ago

a Nation based on Racial purity and none diversification...great idea..when was the last time that was tried?

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

To the neutral reader.

Much has been mentioned about a supposed 1967 border.
there is no agreed on border. the 1967 so called border is the green line,
an armistice line set in 1949. It was never intended to be a border. The border was to be negotiated later. but the Arabs went on a rampage for years
so no peace could be negotiated. Actually the true border was the league of nations mandate , all land west of the Jordan river, but the Arabs through decades of murder and terror were able to prevent the true border of Israel from being set. The 1967 would be an indefensible border
which would leave Israel with a 9 mile neck that could cut Israel in two in the event the Arabs attack again.It also leaves East Jerusalem out of Israel.
East Jerusalem was for centuries known as the Jewish quarter. In 1949
the Jews were expelled from there when Jordan occupied the west bank.
Olmert offered Arafat almost all of the land to Arafat, as I stated
in my previous post but the so called Palestinians went on another rampage.
Neutral reader,
the issue is not borders, were that the case the so called
Palestinians could have set a nation anytime between 1949 and 1967.
The real issue can be found in the Fatah and Hamas founding documents
which, like Hitler's Mein Kampf, calls for the extermination of the Jews.
That is the real issue.
Neutral reader The issue is the rightful existence of Israel versus the Arab goal to destroy it.

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

To the neutral reader.

I am writing this for you neutral reader. I hope you go through
this post and all my previous ones. You will see that I present my case
with facts while the anti Israel commenter's present no facts
but rather answer with ranting ad hominem attacks

The Hamas charter was mentioned. Let me quote a part of article seven of the charter.

"The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"

neutral reader,
Does this sound like a group interested in peace?
But this is an official document of this terrorist group.
the Fatah charter doesn't call for genocide but is does call
for war with Israel and rejects peace.
The state of Israel has no doctrine calling for the extermination of a people,
neither is its official policy to expel Arabs from Israel. In fact they have been made full citizens.

Mention was made of Hasbara which you might call the ministry of truth for Israel. Actually it's the public diplomacy responsible for defending Israel against the lies perpetrated by the Arabs.

Neutral reader, it has been alleged by one of the commentators on this page that "Israeli "Hasbara" is a well thought out science of lying and distorting reality to promote Israel." But what these lies are is not mentioned
by this very misguided "commentator" Hasbara does not sanction lies.

Neutral reader you might want to look up the meaning of Taqiyya.
That really is a doctrine that advocates lying. According to this
doctrine it's Allah's will that a moslem should lie to promote Islam.
Neutral reader look it up. there is no analogous doctrine in Judaism.
I must add that Taqiya is also being used by the assorted anti Israel
commentators on this web site

Efritt
Efritt
11 years ago

Jack1952
You mean Hamas' charter?
Hamas was founded in 1987, after years of occupation, and they were supported by Israel so they can rival Fatah. Just another aspect of Israel's time stalling.
Military wing formed in 92'.

walter44
You are probably payed to do this, and you talk about Palestinian and Iranian propaganda. Israel are the masters of propaganda. Israeli "Hasbara" is a well thought out science of lying and distorting reality to promote Israel. Either portraying Israel as the complete innocent victim, or making everything seem so complicated just to confuse people.
"Dear Neutral reader", you realize how pathetic you are?

I wont list answers to your historical lies. anyone who wants to know more can check youtube for people like Norman Finkelsein, a Jew banned from entering Israel. Also Ilan Pappe and Noam Chomsky.
Then you can listen to dibates, or people representing the other side. Make your own judgement.

The truth should be known so that true peace can be achieved. Stop the annexation of land, by the illegal wall or settlements. You talk about peace while building settlements and expanding the occupation, those lies don't stick anymore, most people with a sense in their heads know whats going on.

Israel needs to change its Zionist policy: pretending they want peace while working to insure control of as most territories, and to undermine any future possibility for a Palestinian state. Go for real peace for once! According to international law the west bank is occupied territory, and east Jerusalem is occupied territory. I don't understand what their plan is, wall and settlements. just google for a map of the wall, its crazy.

I can go on forever...
I'll leave it to people to research and judge for themselves.

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

To neutral readers

The so called Palestinians have a huge disinformation campaign.
The neutral reader can verify that Saudi Arabia has spent millions
of dollars. The Saudis have also spent money setting up courses in Arabian studies in American Universities ostensively for cultural purposes but also for anti Israel propaganda. Iran has a huge well funded propaganda machine preaching hatred not only against Israel
but also the United States.

To neutral reader.
Israel never wanted real peace??? Nonsense

1. Israel accepted the partition plan of 1947. the Arabs refused
2.After 1967 Israel offered to withdraw from almost all liberated lands
in exchange for recognition from the Arab states and peace.
The Arabs held the Khartoum conference and vowed eternal war.
3. Israel ceded the entire Sinai for a peace treaty with Egypt.

Israel also forcibly evicted its own citizens from settlements there
That treaty is now in doubt. I hope that if Egypt violates the treaty
Israel will take back the Sinai.
4. Israel relinquished most control of Samaria and Judea
and allowed self government in there. the same is true for Gaza.
What occupying power allows the so called occupied to
have a government that is hostile to the so called occupier?
5. Olmert offered Arafat almost all the territory in Judea and Samaria
to the so called "Palestinian' state, even though that territory
was legally Israel's through the League of Nations mandate.
Arafat responded with a reign of terror

6. Israel recognized the validity of a two state solution but the
so called Palestinians don't recognize Israel as a Jewish state
Their charter of 1968 calls for the destruction of Israel.
Arafat said that if he moved to change that charter he's be killed.

Dear Neutral reader,
these are just a few of the FACTS that show that Israel wants peace and the so called Palestinians want mayhem and destruction. They are not rants that can't be verified . There is much more. go check it out neutral reader.

flexi28
flexi28
11 years ago

Israel's oppression of the Palestinians is nothing short of disgusting. when this happened anywhere else in the world the right authorities get involved and sort it out. i.e. south africa apartheid, america etc. if there is "arab aggression" against Israel then why have the world authorities told them to take down that massive dividing wall that spirals in and around and surrounds the illegal purpose build settlements on palestinian land. what Israel has been doing to these people since 1947 is a disgrace and illegal.

Efritt
Efritt
11 years ago

stop saying "to neutral readers" and not replying the person you are talking about in hope he wont check back and reply.
Not a single thing you said is a fact, so stop kidding yourself.

To the other: yes both sides have propaganda but nothing is compared to the Israeli propaganda machine that has been working for decades, while the Palestinians have relatively only recently realized they need to play the game.
Hasbara and all the lies they spread with one purpose: Make it look like a complicated problem while they spread settlements and control over the west bank. just like the "peace negotiations"of wasting time since Israel never wanted real peace.
Its not so complicated, in fact i think its simple.

TheRealMax
TheRealMax
11 years ago

John Pillinger covered this issue a few years ago.
There is, no doubt, Palestinian issues that are ignored by the UN.
And us.

slpsa
slpsa
11 years ago

You guys ever notice the really devout bunnies speak in third person? And speak to people who are not there? It does surprise me somewhat, this link they all share, but shock me, not at all. LOL. You racist bunnies are even more reprehensible than regular bunnies. A cut above the rest of the ignorance scale. AIPAC pay you well?

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

Neutral readers,
sift through Slspa's rant below and try to find one fact in that hodge podge
of Ad hominem attacks. Then look at my comments and count the facts and verify.
Shalom to all people of good will

dmxi
dmxi
11 years ago

way too much sky fairy's around....

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

To neutral readers.

In re: Efritt nonsense.

Verifiable means you could look it up yourself. Was there a wave of Arab terror in 1929. Look it up in the NY Times. Was there a League of Nation Mandate, a UN partition plan that the jews accepted but the Arabs didn't, look it up.
Was Amin Husani the political founder of so called Palestinian movement.
Was he also the organizer of the Hanser battalion of the Waffen SS in Bosnia
1943. It's in the history books. I could go on and on with this.

Mention was made of Finkelstein and Pape. Yes they have a different, completely erroneous view. So does Noah Chomsky who Efritt forgot to mention. I won't speculate here on their motives. But the neutral reader should consider this. In Israel there is a wide range of opinion because there is freedom of speech. These views are freely published and discussed. But where there isfreedom of speech there is freedom to be totally wrong. Neutral reader,consider the analogous case on the opposite side. Hardly anyone in the Arab world has taken even a mildly pro Israel position. That's because there is a reign of terror and anyone who does so takes their life in their hands.
Any challenge to Islamic orthodoxy is met with Fatwah. Even things that don't
concern Israel. Think about what happened to Salmud Rusdie when he wrote
Satanic verses or think about the Danish Cartoon incident. Arab and Iranian
newspapers are full vile anti semitic cartoons. anti christian, and lots
of anti American hate speech. The same enemies of israel are trying to pass resolutions in the U.N. outlawing any speech offensive to religion. what they mean, is they want to stifle any criticism of Islam. In Their own countries they freely defame non moslems

This all goes back to my first post on this page. The Leftists, support a movement that not only is not in concordance with their beliefs but also
would actively stifle such beliefs. While Israel is a democracy.
It's easy to find israel haters in Israel because Israel has free speech.
But there's one exception, Hate speech is outlawed. So if someone were
to say moslems are lying pigs that would be hate speech in Israel.
but in "Palestinian" controlled areas thats what they say about Jews.

dmxi
dmxi
11 years ago

@efritt
"Nobody is saying Jews dont have the right to live here, the problem is with the way it was done by the "organized" Zionist movement."
short,sharp & accurate!

Peter Nei Duffy
Peter Nei Duffy
11 years ago

I-cant-believe-there-are-STILL-Israeli's-who-try-and-make-themselves-out-to-be-the-innocent-party-in-what-is-happening-in-the-middle-east.

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

To Neutral readers of Efritt"s ranting

He's given lot's of half baked opinions but no verifiable facts.
You can research what I have given.

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

To a neutral readers and Efritt

Efritt, I really don't care what you think. I'm writing this for the sake of the casual reader who happens upon this web page, someone who knows little about Arab aggression against Israel and hears only biased anti Israel propaganda. The bottom line is that everything I've written can be verified by independent research. I even gave a source or two. I hope any such neutral reader who reads this will find out for himself/herself what the truth is.

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

to efrit
In 1922 the jews were in no position to prejudice anyone's rights.
The British were in control and were partial to the arabs. All the land acquired by the Jews was legally purchased up to 1945. The Arabs however launched campaigns of murder and terror. Id you know how to read look up the NYtimes for april 1929. You'll read about the rampage in Jerusalem and hebron. many Jews were killed by Arabs. 12% is no joke. The Jewish settlements in Gaza also were abandoned. Yes Gaza is occupied, by the arabs since 1929,

no the 12% in 1922 is no joke
the disparity is partly due the
influx of arab migrant workes let in by the british and the restrictive immigration agaisnt Jews.
It is the arabs who prejudiced the rights of jewish communities.
Many of the arab occupants of Gaza today came there in 1970
after they ran amok in Jordan.
Before 1967 there were Arabs in Gaza and they lived
behind barbed wire and were confined to camps. they were utterly stateless.
But Gaza at that time was controlledby Egypt not Israel.
The arabs living in Israel were made full citizens of Israel.

In 1947 the Arabs refused the U.N. partition plan and vowed to drive the Jews out. It was the Arabs who chose war not the Jews. some of the
so called palestinians were forced out of israel but most left on the urging of arab countries because they planned a blood bath. It was the arabs who planned to drive out the Jews so they got driven out instead.
so why complain about those arabs driven out when they themselves
caused the situation by rejecting the 1947 plan and trying to expel the Jews

slpsa
slpsa
11 years ago

I will interject, some much needed wisdom and logic here. They are both wrong. And most importantly, there is no such thing as sky fairy's. I hope this gem of text has helped you understand the situation.

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

In reply to Abby
Don't tell me, Don't tell Israel, Tell it to the Islamofascist. But they'd
probably shoot you

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

reply to Efritt
Yes I do know how many, About 84,000 which comprised 12% of the population. there would have been more but the British restricted
immigration jewish while allowing Jordanians and Syrian arab in
for construction jobs in Haifa.

What is satire is your ignorance of the subject.
1. There is a league of Nations Mandate granting all land west of the
jordan river to Israel.
2. what ifs funny is your knee jerk leftist statement," the scale of responsibility Israel and the western world holds for the situation in Gaza."

Israel is not responsible for the corruption and bloody power struggles among the terrorist thugs

walterr44
walterr44
11 years ago

Yes the occupation should end.

According to the 1922 League of Nations mandate all land west of the jordan river belonged to the Jews. In 1929 Jews were forcibly driven out of Gazaand Hebron. In 1967 these territories were liberated by Israel. Moish Dayan foolishly told those in Gaza to stay. Until Islamofascists began their reign of terror by killing hundred of innocent women and children in Israel residents in Gaza could work in Israel and in fact it had the higher standard of living than in most Arab countries

There is so much that this documentary unintentionally reveals about
the justice of Israel's cause that I could write volumes. But
I'll concentrate on one thought.

What amazes me is the sheer phoniness of the Left. Women in jail for
having an unwed baby, for adultery. If this were in any Western country
all the Leftist would be screaming with rage. They'd yell fasciism till
they were red in the face. IF this were in a Western country and women were forced to wear a particular kind of clothing then all the Leftists would crawl out of the woodwork and scream freedom. The Hamas official claimed that they respect Christianity. But did this documentary interview any christians in gaza. There were Christians there at one time, but they were all driven out.
The penalty for a moslem who converts to christianity is death. Hamas law. Fatah law is slightly less stringent

None of this happens in Israel which is a democracy and religious freedom
is a fact. Moslems, Christians, Buddhist's can be freely interviewed in Israel And there is no legal requirement to dress a certain way.

Yet the phony leftists rage against Israel for defending itself.
The Left shares nothing in common with Hamas or Fatah and yet
it's israel the exocriate. Basically those leftists who are anti Israel
(and there are too many) are racist antisemites who hide their prejudice
behind "Anti Zionism"

They call for sanction boycott divest against Istrael.
But nothing about the Chinese occupation ot Tibet. And that was a real
occupation where genocide was actually committed. The world is full
of injustices for real oppressions but the phony leftists single out israel for
imaginary oppression.

Far Spam
Far Spam
11 years ago

yes the usual one sided view... throw mud and hope it sticks...

I was surprised how soft and short it was... I guess its a testament to Hamas for keeping order under such a hopeless situation.

Funny how the presenter couldnt understand why they wouldnt let women be seen in cells ;-)

Efritt
Efritt
11 years ago

Very shallow, but i guess it isn't that bad for 30 minutes.

Failed to convey the scale of responsibility Israel and the western world holds for the situation in Gaza.
Didn't make clear that Hamas, winning the election, was supposed to rule in the west bank as well.
That Samah Ahmed is confused, but i understand why she was given a voice. Why not try to fix things inside Hamas instead of sitting there and wishing Fatah came back? Fatah may be more progressive but they are corrupt and have failed to deliver anything to the Palestinians for a long time.

I'd take Islam, at least Hamas' kind, over corruption anytime.

Oh, you also forgot to show how much Hamas actually gave, and gives, the people in terms of education and aid.