Massacre at Virginia Tech
This documentary details the story behind Cho Seung Hui, a South Korean student at Virginia Tech University, who committed a mass murder of 32 people and wounded 25 others in the shooting rampage which has come to be known as the Virginia Tech massacre.
Cho killed himself after law enforcement officers breached the doors of the building where he had killed and injured the majority of his victims.
Cho arrived in US at a young age with his family. He had a severe form of anxiety disorder known as selective mutism in middle school as well as depression.
During Cho’s last two years at Virginia Tech, several instances of his aberrant behavior, as well as plays and other writings he submitted contained references to violence, and caused concern among teachers and classmates.
He was a Muslim. Don't get why nobody is seeing this.
I saw a G.
Dope describes my rhymes, making all you MCS cold drop like dimes. You know MCSC is back again, and battling me on the microphone is like committing a sin.
I've seen it all.
This is a unique look inside the mind of a mentally ill murder. One of the best true crime docs ever made!
Cho Teacher gave up on him . Because of his violent writing style . That really hurt his feeling .This mean he looked up to his teacher . Knowing that he did not talk much and his teacher just stop communicating with him . Then he could not talk to any females in the school . Because they all just thought he was just crazy and strange . This boy was in college and could not talk to any females . they label him as some strange crazy college student . This boy was locked up in jail by the police for trying to communicate with a white girls . To find a girl friend . He went from jail to A mental hospital . He was so up set about what happen to him . his last words to his male friend was taking his own life . Because girls started calling the police for him . and calling him crazy . that means he was made fun of . but no one would step up and tell the truth on camera . Cho did tried to communicate with students in his own way .but it was little to late . When the females labeled him as strange . With the police ready to lock him up with one phone call . Cho just stop communicating like four walls just close him off from the world with no door to walk out . and lost it . To brake out . If he would of slept with one girl . this would of never happen . It don't take a rocket scientist to finger that out . the boy kept telling his male friends that he wanted a girl friend in so many ways .
There are all sorts of reasons why people snap. Sometimes it is preventable, sometimes it is not. In Cho's case, it appears it could have all been avoided if he had been bullied a bit less in the Virginia Tech English department or if he had managed once to get laid.
An interesting new book that covers all of Virginia Tech's disasters -- including beheadings, suicides, and other murders -- is coming out next month called "The Many Deaths of Virginia Tech" by Chuck Marsh. It is supposed to be available on Amazon. com.
I believe Khalil Gibran said it best from The Prophet:
"Oftentimes I have heard you speak of one who commits a wrong as though he were not one of you, but a stranger unto you and an intruder upon your world. But I say that even as the holy and righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you, so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also. And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrongdoer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all. Like a procession you walk together toward your god-self. You are the way and the wayfarers. And when one of you falls down he falls for those behind him, a caution against the stumbling stone. Ay, and he falls for those ahead of him, who, though faster and surer of foot. yet removed not the stumbling stone. And this also, though the word lie heavy on your hearts: The murdered is not unaccountable for his own murder, and the robbed is not blameless in being robbed. The righteous is not innocent of the deeds of the wicked, and the white- handed is not clean in the doings of the felon. Yea, the guilty is oftentimes the victim of the injured. And still more often the condemned is the burden bearer for the guiltless and unblamed. You cannot separate the just from the unjust and the good from the wicked; for they stand together before the face of the sun even as the black thread and the white are woven together....." ect. Read it for yourself. I cannot read through all of it without shedding a tear. I believe there is much more to this story than the media would have us believe. Par for the course. Peace
what a mongrel
Selective Mutism is not choosing when to speak, it's physically being unable to speak in certain situations. It's not up to the individual.
I admit I had my angst years, too. I developed social anxiety as a child. the worst part is i didn't know what i was feeling and although i knew it wasn't normal, i couldn't tell anyone. as i got older, my social anxiety became worse and worse to the point i couldn't even hold a fairly stable conversation at school without holding my silence in embarrassment and fear or freezing in terror when someone who ask me something as simple as where the science lab rooms were. it was awful. people saw me as weird, and often they showed it by poking fun of me. i hated them all, and there definitely were times it got very intense and i let them get to me because i wouldn't even stand up for myself and just take it. I had a lot of anger at how i was treated, but it never progressed to the point of me fantasizing about shooting and killing people. It didn't because of a godsend of a guidance counselor i had.
that year in high school, i was failing a lot of classes. two speech classes down the drain. math, english -- i failed those too. he guessed, and asked me if i had social anxiety after much probing of questions of why i failed those speech classes. i said yes and broke down crying hysterically. i knew i always wanted help but i was too scared to say anything. he arranged for me to see a social worker many times. i got very emotional in those meetings.
my parents were the most bemuddled, though, because i didn't want to talk about my social worker visits with them. even if i wanted to, i simply did not know how to share such intimate details i wanted to remain private. i also disliked how my parents were very skeptical about the work of a social worker and what exactly they were doing to "help" me.
I am not korean, but chinese. I suppose it's different for everyone but my experience in a chinese family is they don't believe in the work of psychotherapists. hell, my own mother thinks only crazy or mentally retarded people need to see therapists. my dad on the other hand is afraid a stranger will try to trick and launder off with their money in a scam. and what did i do? i began, after high school, to see a private psychotherapist for two years. it was the best decision for myself. anything i discussed with my therapist in sessions were to remain private, but my parents didn't seem to get the message. it was a very touchy subject, especially since i felt like my own parents cared more about the money they were spending on my therapy sessions rather than my growth as a person. i heard my own mother complain (during the time i was still seeing my therapist on a weekly basis) through the phone on speaker about the money she had to work for only to have it go into someone else's hands.
overall, i still have lapses in social anxiety but i'm getting by. i have some joy in my life now although i struggle at times to push myself forward. I feel lucky i didn't become like Cho.
thank you for your very constructive critic, you lobbyist for the NRA.
I like you too, you remind me what i want to prevent:
to be old and to be a fool, or, as we in Germany like to say: "Alter schützt vor Torhheit nicht."
PS: I guess you like it, that some countries have a-bombs( because they have to protect themselves, of course).
So should every country have a-bombs, or only the "superior" [attention: irony] ones like USA,GB,Russia, Israel and some others?
i have met people with this kind of persona...difference is the didn't get hold of a gun
He came from quite a respectable middle class background which suggests contradiction and hypocrisy on his part. I don't think parents are the be all and all to justify a person when he becomes an adult. Some children just stay children hung up on their own twisted bitter idea of the world. My angst years came and left me, everyone can be a hateful person but killing innocent bystanders is just beyond vengeful for me, it's the lowest common demoninator of being remembered, it's the internet, it's yesterday's news. R.I.P. all those who were victimized by this pathetic excuse for a human being.
The problem of this incidents is that it can be prevented. People like him should just get more attention on the right way and help on the right way. But sadly most parents don't care about there children anymore today, so then this can happen. Parents should be educated on how to react to a frustrated/depressed son who has no other way then suicide. Religions are useless, that is for sure. And now gonna watch this docu:P
Cho still holds the record. Wonder if anyone will break it.
Wow, that's scary...I feel really bad for his family. I even have sympathy for him as there were a number of signs that he needed help, but most of all i feel for the people deeply affected by this outcome.
I don't think you are a sheep . . . I'm certain you are a walking dead.
I still don't get it if he was retarded or a genius, or it's just the self determination that makes him achieve his goals? why was he so obsessed with his perv persona? selective mutism seems to be a very dangerous disorder :S i was afraid all the time while watching it because it could be anybody around me.
there ain't any justification for any sort of brutal sick acts
The irony is we are on the same page about a lot of things, considering our few posts. I whole heartedly agree and share your outrage over the 911 false flag / stand down operation that was conducted. Millions upon millions of people are aware of it.
The empirical scientific data is overwhelming for controlled demolition of the North & South WTC Towers and WTC7 on that darkest of days. Old school False Flag operation, and this technique is as old as Rome. Finding massive quantities of militarized explosives called Nano-Thermite in various stages of detonation in the dust of those towers does not support the official fairy-tale. The accredited Scientists, Physicists, Architects, Structural Engineers, Intelligence Officers, Retired Military Brass, 911 Researchers, Scholars, 911 victim families, 46% of all New Yorkers, and Millions of Americans are calling for truth and justice.
I understand your frustration. I guess, sometimes I catch these individuals mixing a bunch of "conspiracies" together in an attempt to discredit them all. That was my initial response to you, but I can see your opinions are earnest at this point. With all the mainstream media lies and disinformation that stream out of CNN or FOX "Fair and Balanced" News... in the name of good ole' propaganda to influence the masses, you are right to apply a bit of Healthy Skepticism. How many PSYOP's do you need exposed/caught red handed being run on the American public before you look sideways at an event as polarizing as Virginia Tech. Fair enough....
I just want to say, I was not always pro firearms for self defense, but that is an undeveloped younger self who was a little green around the ears. I don't trust the Government or the "Peace" officers for that matter, to look after my well being. I have evolved into a Constitutionalist, and the Second Amendment of the American Constitution is as important as the rest.
I have read everyones posts, and have found it all quite an interesting debate.
Dear trumpsahead, your way of communicating seems to imply that you somehow don't feel heard and that your point can only be made if you put the views of other people down. This actually results in people not taking you seriously, which I would think is the opposite of what you'd like to achieve. From what I read, you're quite wellspoken anyway and you actually have no need for ranting and raving to present a clear argument. Unless that is the primary aim of your posts and not the content. In any case, good luck.
Where's my comments to AZ and C and N ???
In reply to C and N,
Wow, how sympathico! You actually paused the video on each school photo, oh, God must love you girlie girl.
Well then, you must have sobbed your eyes out during 9/11, since that was the most horrific crime our country has ever seen.
I thought this documentary was done so clinically and devoid of all feeling, almost no emotion to speak of. Thought I noticed one of four school boys get a bit choked up when speaking to a reporter near the dorms. Other than that, every shot was a close up, posed pensively all those students, no smiles, no sadness, perfect makeup, just quiet thinking.
For my money honey, that was the kind of film I'd expect a govt propaganda machine to make, devoid of humanity and spontaneity, nada.
Now 9/11, there are more spontaneity and emotions and real footage and explosions and screams and omg's than you have ever heard in any one movie in your life. The most heinous crime of the century rightfully documented into a zillion great movies with questions and answers and arguments, lectures, expert testimonies, more arguments and downright outrage. That was real and emotional.
But you of course must know all this because you are a patriot, right?
No, the VT Massacre was never televised. Oh, it was on Fox allllll day long, but I quickly realized it was a five minute loop except every couple hours they'd add the same 30 sec. segment a few times then repeat back to the old five min. loop. Why? It was "off limits" to other news stations. Orders for that must come from govt since it is they who give licenses to media. See how this works? Do as I say or we cut you. And most people think we live in a free country, ha.
If it can happen, it has happened, and if crap happens elsewhere, it can happen here. Remember, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Amin, Bush, were not cartoon characters, they were real.
Oh, you missed it, gee, too bad. Most of us miss what's going on. The govt trick is to make living so difficult you need to work two jobs to pay your bills and you don't pay attention as govt pulls the wool over your sleepy eyes. Wake up NOW or wake up when you feel the pinch of the bracelet around your neck, your choice. All patriots seek and learn the truth and tell all who care to listen.
We must return to the Constitution post haste, and the only man to help us is candidate for president Ron Paul, or Gary Johnson.
I have tons of stuff I would like to say to you about your opinion of what happened at VT, but I'll keep it simple and civil I suppose. What shred of proof do you have that VT was a false flag operation, I mean besides the rather flimsy reason that they didn't show the dead mangled bodies on prime time television? I mean this whole thing is so easily checked by any reporter and there would have to be so many people involved for your false flag operation to work- it just doesn't hold up. Besides what could the government hope to gain from this, the administration that was in office at the time was pro gun, IRA members to the last. The school certainly had nothing to gain and everything to lose, even possible civil and criminal prosecution. The families would have to play along, so would the staff at the school, the local law men and first responders, and of course the students that died and the young man who admitted writing the twisted stuff he did, buying the gun, and shooting these people. Any reporter can check easily accessed documents to prove these people did not really go to school here or live here or even exist, and trust me there are plenty of them that would jump at the chance to expose such a thing.
But if you have more proof than just your opinion, I will gladly listen. I mean that is the advice I get from the conspiracy theory crowd all the time right, question things- don't just accept what you are told. I say we start with your fantastical assertion that intelligent and sane people that knew each other, saw each other everyday, some how got confused or decided to lie about whether or not they just saw their friend get shot, just saw their students get shot, or even saw anything at all take place- how the parents of these children that are well known throughout the community as well as their kids have some how fooled the rest of the community that their children got killed. It just doesn't make sense man. Now think about the fact that you are wrong, and these people did get killed. How do you think it makes their families feel to hear things like this? How do you think anyone connected to this on a personal level feels when they hear such insulting nonsense?
Look pal, you can believe whatever you want, one more moron wont break the camels back surely. But believing VT was a false flag operation makes no sense what so ever. What would be gained by such a thing, how would you explain the families that lost their loved ones, the fact that anyone can check death records and confirm that these people were killed and how, that anyone can check birth records and other official documents that prove these people did live here and go to school here and so forth, the eye witnesses that saw what happened and have no connection to the government as many of them are still attending VT or going on with other normal lives that can also be easily checked into, the school admitting that this had taken place on their campus which had to be the absolute worst thing a school could have to admit, the interviews with local police and so forth that have worked in that area and know everyone long before this took place saying they saw what happened, etc.etc.
People like you are exactly what gives the whole conspiracy theory scene a bad name. Everyone knows that conspiracy takes place, always has always will- but it is never these elaborate meat headed schemes people like you dream up. Its much more tame and bland, never as easily proven or dis-proven as a public shooting taking place on a college campus while classes are being attended. The students that died, and they did die, knew people from the neighborhood , had families that were also known in the neighborhood, had documented history at the university, were well known amongst both students and faculty, the list goes on and on.
Now, can you give us one shred of evidence that what you say is truth? I mean besides your whole obsession with why the news did not show bloody carnage and dead students, which by the way is customary when covering an event of this nature. These children's parents and the college would have gone nuts, along with the rest of the country, had they of shown the bad taste displayed by putting such things on prime time television. However, they did show the response to the incident, ambulances and tons of police many of which knew people on the scene and could not have been actors.
But hey, you are the one asserting a fantastic claim so you should be the one that has fantastic evidence to back it up right? So where is it? Or are we to scrutinize everything we hear except that which you deem worthy to spout about. You say wake up, I so o.k. lets start with you.
Yes I'm from Ireland, trying to say that alot of people know somebody in the IRA is utter nonsese and then trying to play it dumb by saying I dunno is just silly. By your logic I could say lots of people from Italy know the Mafia gangsters and lots of Russians know KGB soldiers...but I dunno.
Acutally for the record I am student studying for a B.A. in Music Technology at Maynooth Univercity, Kildare.
funny thing is that the majority who get popped for gun charges are low rent drug dealers, teenagers trynna look cool and mentally handicapped rappers trynna act hard.
dude, u guyz are really confused if you think any gun "law" or "ban" will reduce violent crime ..
if someone is willing to commit murder (break a uber law with uber jail time)
you think your little felony gun charge is a deterent ???
oh or maybe crazy suicidal kid doesn't want to tarnish his criminal record with a gun charge.. "oh darn it.. i guess its no killing spree for me!"
rofl.. u scaredy cats are so funny. u'd give up your rights so the only people with good weapons are the ones willing to break laws.
that is such pitiful reasoning.
I did not see this documentary but am opposed to gun laws. Americans should be able to carry guns but automatic weapons should not be for sale to regular citizens.
Having said that, I'd like to know: How do you know that Cho killed 32 students? Did you see the bodies? No? Did you see blood? No? Did you see all the news stations? No, it was not televised? Did you see the mournful expressions during family interviews? No? Families were ALL smiling when interviewed? Wow! So, we in America have come a long way from demanding good news coverage to accepting virtual news, and Virgina Tech reached a new high in lies and creating reality for the American idiots.
Wake up America! You do not know what reality is anymore. I welcome an economic depression because it will bring needed responsibility to lazy sheeple individuals who believe anything govt lays on them.
Do you still believe Timothy McVey blew up the Oklahoma bldg? If so, you're a moron. Happy that Osama bin Laden was killed while Papa Bush was lunching with Osama's brother at the Carlyle? Get a life.
Prove to me that Cho killed those students. This documentary is probably a govt fiction story designed to cement the idea of the official govt reports of that day and to rally a cause for "gun control" by govt. More lies by govt just like the lies of 9/11.
I bet if someone made a documentary on "How To Think and Reason" no Americans will watch it.
What is wrong with USA?
Once i stumbled upon a website, where all the american school-shootings were listed. And i was thinking "wow,a very long history in school-shootings - what the hell is going on over there?"
I'm from Denmark, and we have only experienced school-shooting once. It happened back in 1994 at the University of Aarhus. The way I remember it, the shooter killed two people with a double-barreled sawed-off shotgun, and not a 9 millimeter Glock or tactical automatic weapons. Maybe the problem is, that these psycho weapons are easy to get in America? Compared to USA, you cant buy these guns here In Denmark.
Well actually, you can buy 9 milimeter pistols in Denmark if you have been a menber of a legit gun-range association, for two years! And you have to get the permission from the district police chief, but you will never own a legal automatic rifle.
My point is, that its hard to get rapid fire weapons in Denmark or any weapon at all. You might be able to find an old shotgun at your grandfathers farm. But thats pretty much it.
"Sung-tae Cho, the killer’s father, came from a poor rural area. He was a “country bumpkin” and considerably older than his wife, the daughter of a refugee, said Seung-hui Cho’s great-aunt, Kim Yang-soon. “We practically forced her to get married.”
Hyang-im’s father had fled south during the Korean War that separated the south from its communist northern neighbor, according to Korean news reports.
Sung-tae and Hyang-im Cho were ambitious and apparently educated because after they settled on the still semi-rural outskirts of Seoul, they bought a used-book store. One could make a decent living selling secondhand books in the 1970s, before South Korea’s economy began to boom. But one relative said the bookstore just eked out a profit.
To ease his family’s plight, Sung-tae Cho left his wife behind to be a laborer in the Middle East, working on oil fields and construction sites in Saudi Arabia for most of the 1980s.
Back home, his wife gave birth March 22, 1982, to their daughter, Sun-kyung. On Jan. 18, 1984, Seung-hui was born."
Karma is the teaching about the complexities of human action
your an idi*t goughlewis
I consider this documentary a strong case for owning and carrying a fire arm. A good Smith & Wesson Revolver would be a handy tool to have at ones disposal at Virginia Tech that day, the only sure victim-prevention tool for the victim-to-be. When seconds count, the police arrive in minutes (Or hours). We call the police because they have guns, not pens to document what already happened to us. One should look at fire arms as a last line of defense for your family, or for example, personal self defense from creeps like Cho Seung Hui.
The Virginia Tech Massacre – Cho killed 32 people and wounded another 25. Gun-Control (Read Victim Disarmament) has turned our schools and streets into killing zones. Don’t those darn psychos know that guns are not allowed on campus? Actually, people like Cho do know and that’s why they choose a place like a school campus for a shooting rampage: Sheep to the slaughter, fish in a barrel, sitting ducks, etc.
So, why not carry a Smith & Wesson Revolver that you can protect yourself against criminals/serial killers/mass murder crazies who use guns against you as a deadly extension of their inability to deal with people. Every living creature has the natural right of self-defense. Believe it or not, some people find this argument of carrying a self defense revolver ridiculous. "That is what the police are for", they say, as they argue passionately against your right to bear arms for self defense. I put money on it, those Virginia Tech victims "would have just died for a... Revolver" that day.
According to the FBI, States with 'shall-issue' right-to-carry laws have a 26 percent lower total violent crime rate, a 20 percent lower homicide rate, a 39 percent lower robbery rate and a 22 percent lower aggravated assault rate than those states that do not allow their citizens to legally carry guns.
Final thought, All studies show a dramatic decrease in violent crime when more private citizens are permitted to defend themselves (All of Switzerland for example, also all concealed carry States). Conversely, violent crime rises in direct proportion with the number of gun-control laws as seen in England, Australia, and all states where 2nd amendment rights are denied like California, New York, Illinois, etc.
Armed societies are polite societies, and Switzerland is armed to the teeth with virtually no crime.
I'm glad people aren't screaming for more gun control on these forums like they were when this first happened, he could have been a serial stabber as well. Or a bomber, all these "security for liberty" crap is killing me lately. TSA shoving their hands down your pants, no knock raids, sneak and peak with no warrant, American citizens on assassinations list, some being held indefinitely, U.S. torturing Iranian nationals, Bradley Manning, cyber laws, intellectual property rights, all this coming at the same time as they are getting ready to tell you you have to get the DHS's permission to buy firearms as ATF agents openly sell guns to Mexican cartels in operation "fast and furious". Civil liberties are under attack in America, if you think gun control will save you, go to Mexico (heavy gun control, only the criminals get to have the guns) or China (no civilian firearms people are forced in slave labor for the government). "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
I recall that the day of the mass killing in the Virginia Tech, I felt extremely disturbed and sad. And I was 12'000 km away, at college. I sent a mail to VT and told them that all of my colleagues and I felt that day we all belong to VT. Universities have historically been a place for reason and understanding and no arms have been ever allowed in the campuses. All the best from Spain.
i think access of information from school to school regarding the mental health issues of a student should not be private, if someone needs to be taken care of then the schools have a responsibility to pass that information along. This i feel was the weakest link in protecting him and others around him from doing what he did to hurt so many people. by continuing what little psychiatric help he was getting from school to school he could have maintained a level of observation to have kept him from the event at Virginia tech. it is not the access to guns to that allowed this to happen as you can see, ...every one has access to guns and this type of event a cures to a very rare or to even a unique event. do not blames guns, .. blame the lack of care we actually have for our fellow human beings around us as a society. what happened was very tragic, what could have happened was that, that kid be forced to remain on his treatment to keep him from either from entering the school altogether or to have helped him maintain a grip on reality and help the Doctors keep a better eye on his mental health condition
I agree, he probably did understand more than most what is happening to America and the world, but also they skipped over the fact that he was on antipsychotic drugs, which is sure to rewire your brain temporary or permantly
Very sad story about an invisible outsider who transformed into a monster.
Once again this is an opportunity to rethink the access of weapons in the USA.
Insecure and yet super arrogant. Very bad combo. Sad it came to this... but with ALL the warning signs, they failed to recognize it. Why? There is no money in helping people. Society IS sick, just look at the coming economic collapse. The wars. I am very concerned.
Cho may represent many that are isolated and war torn. Even if he may had been a privileged college kid. The human mind is complex. This incident will go down in history for many psychologists to mull over.
Social isolation in one can trigger devastating acts.
On a few levels, this case reminded me of the Port Arthur Massacre.