The Muslim Jesus
A documentary about the Islamic Jesus – a man born of a virgin, and a man who performed miracles, but there was no crucifixion and no resurrection.
Yet there is a Second Coming, when he shall descend in the clouds as a Muslim to destroy the Jews and 'the swine'.
The Muslim Jesus uses the Qur'an and other Islamic texts to explore the differing ways in which Christian and Muslim faiths both acknowledge Jesus.
Scholars, teachers, parents, rappers, poets and historians come together for the one hour special narrated by Melvin Bragg.
The differences between the Qur'an and Bible’s portrayal of Jesus are explored in detail, from the role of Mary and his death and resurrection, to the coming of the Anti-Christ.
This is a very interesting documentary film.
)it seems that satan iblis&dajjal the anti-Christ &co are quite upset beose of this documentary.
I thought this was an excellent portrayal of very sensitive and complex "religious" material. The doc focused on highlighting the meaningful issues of the spiritual and theological rather than our lowest common denominators of history and religion.
He who adds to the prophecy ( of Revelation) the plagues will also be added to him...Jesus coming in judgment in 70 AD was to those who refused to accept Christ and continued to live under the ceremonial Law of Moses...the temple was destroyed because there was no longer a need for it...the addition of Christ's second coming as some future event beyond 70 AD is the plague of which Revelation spoke...that is why Christians remain in conflict with Islam....we remain under that plague even today....
Once True Faith one understood there will be a searing pain of empathy as well as discontent over those who has yet to understand the rightful self profession of the 'created', us on the ONLY ONENESS of the Creator God Almighty. That's the truth, not the misled view on the non acceptance of the wide array varieties of human existence. Loving and concern of one another does not necessarily rightfully include in accepting and acknowledging the folly of themselves and of their endings since we have learnt that even the best of the unbeliever (against the initial assumption of our heart) like Abu Talib the Prophet's Uncle and staunch Protector to his dying days, unfortunately will not be spared the torment of hellfire. His punishment shall be of the most minimal for humankind as was revealed for of all sins men committed, it's blasphemy God Do Not forgive (without punishment and eventual admittance). So we wish honesty in self along with the light of Truth. Peace... (and remember the enemy of Mankind, Satan has pledged his eternal enmity and war against Man in the face of God)
I loved the documentary. One day we will all know the 100% truth of God, until then i think we should keep our faith and live according to what God has given us. If its the scriptures of the Bible,Quran,ect..keep your faith..only you know what God has given you. What he has given you is special and from him. Maybe one day we can stop judging one another and trying to expect people to believe what we believe. God sees who we are and what we are about. God created us for a reason and i dont believe its to destroy one another. I invision its to love one another and accept people for who they are no matter what religion they are. We are all unique in some way. Just because we dont believe what someone else has to say doesnt mean that they are bad people. They are only different then us. One day maybe we will all come together to love God and stop all the judging.
sow islam says the new testement is a lie
Its funny how many people are judging the Quran without actually reading it :)
and did anyone ever ponder over why many scientists are converting to Islam? is it cuz they're out of their mind? really? i dont think so...
Read more about science and Islam; you will begin realizing how divine this holy book is due to the amount of scientific information in it.
do you know that numerous CONTEMPORARY science discoveries have been mentioned in the Quran 1400 yrs ago?
1. Mentioned in the Quran are baby's specific development stages during pregnancy.
2. Mentioned in the Quran is an accurate description of the movements of planets.
3. Mentioned in the Quran is the fact that different entities of water (ex. sea and river) have an invisible barrier that separates them from mixing with each other.
yeah but why bother,
there sure was a guy 1400 yrs ago who knew how a baby is exactly formed along the 9 months of pregnancy although he didn't have the technology... and yes people somehow are assumed to have known that planets orbit the earth in specific calculated paths just by "imagining" their existence. as for the seas and river, I bet a drunk pirate unravelled the mystery behind them...
Open your eyes
why have all the unnecessary words, the doc is good,,it showed the diff btw the jesus in the Quran and the bible,,as well as the similarities,
why would you talk about a book that is with you ,,a book that u can access,, a book that is every conner on the globe yet you have never opened it, you have never seen what it contains, if you want to criticise anything,,first take a look,,and see what it contains,,The Quran, is the book i am talking about,
It's hard for me to believe in either the bible or qu'ran. Religion has been around for 1,000's of years, basing itself on little factual content at all. Holding prophets and messiahs up like they are divine is just wrong imo. I think both books as well as the books of other religions are quite unnecessary to one's belief.
In the mind of a believer: why does one need a book (religion) to tell them how to believe in their creator(s)? These books offer no more insight/truth than one's own brain gives them. But what it seems to do is put a label onto people. Labels create separation, separation breeds hate/violence/destruction onto those that are not on the same 'label.' Within Christianity, I've seen with my own eyes the hatred/contempt one sect has for another. You think of the opposing sect and instantly you think of stereotypical traits about that sect. When fundamentally, all are the same, all have belief. A person should not be judged by their belief but ONLY by their character.
Religion opens the door to hated of others... Christians, Jews, and Muslims and all others are fundamentally the same. They hold faith in creation. This fact alone should surpass in importance the trivial differences of each religion. But instead, religion is hard-coded to separate groups of people.
If a Creator is so grand, is so all-knowing, is all-loving and merciful, do you think he/she/they/it would agree with such a separation of faiths?
Imo, if you believe in a creator, join hands with your fellow believers and stop with the unnecessary separation which should be quite irrelevant to your faith in God(s). It has caused so much harm to humanity in the past and continues to do so today. When the man-made concept of religion is dropped, we will have much more peace and love upon the earth.
ok my opinion is that you cant take all this literally. in 2000 year period nothing can stay preserved, the same. so when two sides fight both with different opinions they are probably both wrong. you cannot seriously believe in adam and eve and i heard there was a talking snake somewhere there in the garden, cmon...those were stories probably to explain what they couldnt understand, if...other option is they are completly made up.if you think logically...if there is only one creator why are there so many gods? did you ever ask yourselve why do we, humans throughout thousands of years, strive up to gods? i mean its more psychological then anything else. what is that feeling you get...when you know something is there but you cant explain it so you say its god. but you cant read the bible and say thats all there is and will ever be. it doesnt work that way...we have much to discover about ourselves as human beings.
if you are one with god what is it easyer to say i am god right now or iam like god right now . if you were to understand the one-ness of god it would be easyer to say iam god right now . i think this is the way christ had made his point because at that time he was in god and one with god what else would be said fully knowing his father was totally with him as one it only makes sence to say i am god right now as gods spirit had been flowing in him
The Word(s) of God... the only book clubs that cause rape, murder, and fanaticism. I think it's time ignorant people of the world read more enlightening stuff... like a textbook ;)
I want to say that there is one true GOD...the giver of life and through HIS sacrafice we are set free if we so choose. I have read both sources one is about an intimate relationship of LOVE and forgiveness (which I know I need).
About 578 years before Islam came along, Christians were warned against Islam by both Jesus and the Apostle Paul. Jesus warned us about the many false prophets who would follow Him (Matthew 16:11-12) . Paul warned us when he wrote:
“But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a Gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!” (Galatians 1:8).
Jesus said; "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." John 8:24
Jesus also predicted the current dilemma of Muslim intolerance and fanaticism. He warned that the day was likewise coming when religious zealots will kill Christians and think they are offering a service to God (John 16:2-4).
It is interesting to compare Jesus and Muhammad according to the Qur'an. Jesus did miracles (Surah 3:49; 5:110), but Muhammad did not (Surah 13:8: "thou art a warner [of coming divine judgment] only"; also 6:37; 6:109; 17:59 and 17:90-93).
Jesus was sinless (Surah 3:46), but Muhammad sinned and needed forgiveness (Surah 40:55: "Ask forgiveness of thy sin"; 42:5: "Ask forgiveness for those on the Earth"; 47:19: "Ask forgiveness for thy sin" ; 48:2: "that Allah may forgive thee of thy sin").
Jesus was called "the Messiah" by Allah in the Qur'an. And Jesus was even born of a virgin (Surah 3:45-57)! Yet Muhammad who had many wives, and concubines, and participated in many attacks on innocent caravans and villages, and insisted on booty from these raids -- is supposed to be the greatest of the prophets.
If you have a wife or a daughter would you trust JESUS or Muhammed to be locked behind closed doors????
"Enos was the son of Seth, and Seth was the son of Adam, and ADAM WAS THE SON OF GOD." [Luke 3:38]
If Jesus even claimed to be Lord, why doesn't he just plainly say, "I am God worship me", instead of beating around the bush. In none of the English translations of the Bibile: King James, NIV, Catholic Bible, the New King James, etc is any such translation come close to a very simple statement. When you look at the council of Nicea, then you'll begin to see when Jesus became God.
My lies are better than your lies!
In the end, it's not the religion who will save us but your faith and your relationship to our one and only god...They send all these prophets because during early times everything was in chaos and in no order... these prophet came to teach us the good way of living and to be more closer to God. Let's not concentrate on the traditions and rituals of every religion but pick up those good teachings they have and apply it into our daily lives... This is our true salvation...
do us a favor stay in the middle east
when JESUS was born the whole world got to know GOD!and it is through our LORD JESUS that the world will be saved.praise GOD!
Hear all Muslims Brothers....You Know very Well they wont believe us....
tell them straight...your christ is not the christ in quran...do not do the mistake of getting close to to them ....they will not listen to you....If you want to prevail do not show similarities.
According to them world is 6000 yrs old and sun revolves around earth..
They forgot their bad past of church....THE JEWS WHO KILLED CRUCIFIED ARE MOST CLOSE TO THEM...The original bible doesnt exist...The romans would not have accepted christianity if the bible wouldnt change..Do not guide them they will no listen...The cross on which christ (peace be upon him)was crucified became a symbol....the paul who was hated as he injected pagan things...saw d cross in vision!!!...
telll them to banish all laws as christ died for forgiveness of our sins...you can rape kill anyone
for us we have allah,the one who forgives...just be away from them...they in ignorance...
He is the Christ, and was with the Heavenly Father when the world was created. He is the I AM. Only through Christ can we be forgiven for sin in our lives and He will come again to judge the world, for right now the world is in great sorrow for it was written in the New Testament of the things that are upon us now. So we need to invite Jesus into our lives and to ask him (alone) to be our Saviour, for he is love just like the Heavenly Father (God) - save your souls through Christ, for we are near the end. God is love and love is God and this I promise you, you will never look back.
we muslims respect all prophets but we follow quran becouse quran isthe last book from got for all humankind evrybody should read quran to understand the truth of islam and the value of prophet JUSSES and the last massenger of ALLAH prophet MOHAMMED peace be upon them..plz..plz.
jesus never claim i am GOD or wershp me in holy bible
I just want to learn, did Jesus claim to be God in the holy Bible?
Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
yea ill carry my church within me im sure god will forgive me seeing the state of mental decay the world suffers from i trust in god not people.
"screw you guys I'm going home" Eric Cartmen from South Park.
more idiotic islamic madness
I also want to mention that christ himself mention in the gospel about the last days,that many will lay claim to him,he will tell them I never knew you,i believe this belongs to certian chritian sect as well as certian muslems, on the cross my god my god why has though abandomed me, muslem might reconise th s hadith,a time will come when you think god had abandoned you but he does not abandon you,if this is true to true muslems this was true to christ,,christ himself in the gospel says to the apostle worship my god and your god,and he asigned one of the apostle the keys to heaven who you bind in heaven will be bind and who you loose in heaven willl be loose,you think everyone would be running after this apostle, the bible also metion how the comforter will confirm him,when the prophet pbuh as a child and and angle layed him down and split open his chest to remove a clot from his heart,he first said after that,every child cries out when he is born for they are touch by satin comming into this world except mary and jesus,they are the only two born pure,(another historical oppresion of mary and her status pbuh.
I believe he died as a martyr...do not say those who die in the name of god dead,they are alive but ,you percieve not...seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave.christian do not understand why we say he is a muslem, the root word of islam is salam peace one of the names of god,there for a true muslem is one who surenders to peace ,and know one can denie christ was surrender to gods pease,at the same time muslem forget that it was a chritian king that gave shelter to the first muslem in a chritian land ,not pagan, and when he died ,the prophet pbuh,said he died a muslem,even though his practice was not the same in its outer form,just like jesus pbuh, the king of the jews,also as a muslem o do not beleive in that imposter theorory,according to historyian this originally came out from the drew muslems who also invented assasians,its a shame that this has spread so wildly...jesus own words in the quran are pease be upon me on the day I was born and thae day im raised alive...so when did he die peace from the cradle to the grave. may gods peace be with you salam aleykum. shalom.
Just i want to say that it's not true that muslims believe Jesus (a.s.) will come to destroy jews as it's mentioned above, actually even in the documentary no one says that.
We muslims believe in all the prophets, they came with the same message: to worship the only one God (s.w.t) and to obbey His commands, that is the meaning of islam.
im a muslim
and i love jesus .. he is a messenger ..
allah (god) can create any thing . he create adam with out mother or father. jesus only with out a father .
The 'War on Terror' is farce. 7000 times more Americans die every year from Aspirin than they do from 'terrorism. ! The entire thing is a scam and 9/11 could only have been an inside job. Or can someone explain how the top 10 of the N Tower crushed the bottom 9/10ths with absolutely no jolt? In fact the antenna is seen to accelerate as everything beneath it is blown to bits.
How do you tell the difference between a gravity driven collapse and a demolition>? Look for the jolt. That is what any physicist will tell you.
... you might as well as argue over the color of the sky.
all this energy over something that doesn't exist. it is so jaw dropping irrelevant.
I am a Roman Catholic. I have been asked by a Muslim acquaitance, many years ago, whether I believed that Jesus was Divine and I answered then to me it didn't matter. It was Jesus's life and not his death that was the touchstone of my Faith. Unfortunately that it not the truth for many. I am very glad to have seen this film and I am planning to ask one of my neighbours to tell me more about Esau(?) son of Miriam of the Koran-- I too wish to look for commonalities to bridge the quagmire of history and the propaganda of the Present. I do not wish to debate, only to learn. Peace be upon us all. Amen.
Your only asking for suffering when someone suggests to bring the horror of any Dark Age religion into the future of humanity. And after all ready seeing what it's done. Old days of dictators controlling commanding to obey only them, and murdering and enslaving perhaps shoud be kept in the past. The evolving of mankind as one race needs to enter a wonderful future, but will be corrupt using ancient methods of horrible beliefs and non-existing entities that causes human suffering, and even worsens. Problems with separate religions preaching un-logical methods, thinking there's a one God somewhere in the emptiness of, of? All religions are invalid within the wonders of our peaceful endeavor of a great future with a focus on humanity alone.
The dark forces are quite successful and happy and in great joy with forcing the horror of their hell and religions, because just the consciousness of that enslaves your spirit for only their use of your soul, if that's what makes you happy, so be it. You should understand why they do it, and their purpose to destroy your soul. Why further enslave man? Look around and wake up and see what separate religions are doing to the world. Their religious method of dumbing you down is restricting your ability to advance, who in their right mind would allow the inhabitants of this planet elsewhere? Even a god does not have a god, whats that tell you? I'm not an expert but It's most likely the illogical belief in the invisible, and following ancient dictators text, which further and deeper destroys our future. Simply look around and see religions wrath unfolding it's messages of hate all around you. Stop it, by being kind to all of man, void of religion. Turn religion into humanity alone, without any outside forces. It's 2011 (not BC)
Hadiths can be full of metaphors so that people in the past and us will understand what they mean.This world is a test,not final.so dont wait the answers.We say when time passes,Quran becomes younger.
Man said that a god in human form is necessary so that God understand our situation.Problem is here.The concept of God.God learns!!!.God does not learn, or progress. there is a bad ending so he gives all responsibilty to us.God is justice.So human is very precious you cant hurt him/her
Mary is not the only woman in Quran. 25 or 28 prophet names are in the 128.000.We have woman saints.Angels dont have sex.No ability to sin.Man makes everything like himself.The aliens in movies are almost like human.Greek,indian,egyptian gods are humans. No ability to sin.In Islam your sin is yours. Nobody even our prophet has no autherity for that. And dont think them in the concepts of today.that's unfair.
Prayer is a ordinary thing... you pray on everywhere it is clean. Killing innocent(jews) is lie. We saved jews from Europe. We lived with them for centuries. Our prophet had a jew neighbour. Muslims are very poor and they have their own hitler,mussolini. Nobody cares Christians or Jews. They just try to earn their life. They care their families, countries. All of them is not Muslim(normally). But they live on important lands. That's the problem. About Prophet Jesus Aprobably There are 128.000 prophets. We know 25 or 28 names. You know 2000 years ago but it can be older. There is a difference between your God and our God. Yours needs a son, ours dont need anything. And God gave manual books for best machine(human) for physically and spiritually. And God says If you go wrong way, I will punish you. Because God gave us too many speciality. So run from darkness to light. If you waste your abilities and specialities for wrong things, It would be a big crime. God is justice. We say "I".God has the real "I", not us. Being needs one god or billions( it's stupid to think)
Well I would agree with you if I thought that Allah or any other god for that matter existed.
I agree with you that morality is not absolute. And I welcome that. Because of this there will always be some difference of opinion. No big deal. As long as there is mutual respect and peaceful coexistence it is perfectly fine.
Not to state the obvious but there are as many moral codes as there are cultures/religions. My opinion is that most of them intersect in basic principles that even atheists will agree upon. Those are the absolutes and the rest is formed by the people or dogma. I prefer people.
Follow your text book leader, and what you are told. Void of any logical personal thought, so be it. I kindly thank you for sharing your belief and who you follow. Have a great life.
Perfect example of the enslavement caused by someone projecting a text book God, in which has no physical existence. If an intelligent being does enter our society from a distant advanced world and asks you if they may be accuainted with your higher power, would you say it's a one God and it doesn't exist? Invisible? What would this higher race think of YOUR level of intelligence? Science isn't practiced or allowed by gods because God doesn't want you to gain higher knowledge, they need you to obey them, not scientific facts. I'm not an expert just aware of dictatorship and many text book Gods written by those who have a need to control their society and perhaps envolk them to gather others in numbers and to also perhaps even kill for them, for gods reason of insanity. The focus on humanity is taken away by made up gods all over the planet. Their written agendas are to simply control, obey, and command the people. The focus on the inhabitence of this planet gets deverted by Gods who don't even exist. So the direction of focus on gods simply goes into the invisible emptyness. When the true logical focus on ourselves gets further away from us, who truely needs this conscious focus to evolve. Awaken to it.
@RH you have no idea about Islam I can see go and watch the links on post 165 on the conspiracy documentary called "missing links" and then come back and repeat what you have just said.
To Hesus and Kurrrt: I was not arguing for or against secular society. I am stating that there is no basis of morality except a belief in God/a superior authority. Meaning, that if you don't believe in God or a superior authority, then there is nothing in your world that is absolute. That includes morality. In that "belief system" (where one does not believe in a transcending authority), there are few options: Anarchy. Two: that we take the words of other men as laws. Both lead to the same result.
Let me explain. If you take the words of men as laws (men here meaning society), then you cannot logically enforce them. Because to you the law is "fair" because "it feels right", but may not be "fair" to another. Ex. Stealing is wrong to you. But to them it's "not bad". And since you both don't believe in a superior authority, then no one is more right than the others. Can you imagine the type of society you are calling for?
To Kurrrt: There is no "hate" gene or "fight" gene. We are more than DNA. And if you are a Muslim, you would also beleive in the soul. But even if the scientists who do not believe that know better than looking for such a gene. In fact, the survival instinct is a culmination of many different factors in the body, and if it were removed, I do not think we would live.
I am proposing a different worldview. That Islam came to free creation of enslavement to other creation by enslavement to the Creator. We become free when we realize that all are equal, and that the ultimate purpose is serving God, not anything or anyone.
To Arthur Florida:
Your post reminds me of this verse:
And if your Lord had so willed, He could surely have made mankind one community (following one religion only i.e. Islâm), but they will not cease to disagree” (Quran 11:118)
With regards to the inner struggle to stay on the right path, that is called the greater jihad.
Yes sir, I see, you've been here on the planet long enough to also understand and then understand even further, I commend you for that achievement. It's perhaps also about maintaining and understanding the killer instinct we all share, thats tied into our DNA. We're born survivors and for example we kill animals with no remorse for food. Take away (surgically) those two strands of DNA and that killer instinct disappears and then would allow a greater race to highly evolve, even then perhaps into the stars. Until then, heck it's convincing the world of the tactics of hidden dark forces within our society which interferes with our natural evolving, and the restricting of new approaching technical understandings. This must be kindly taught to the world, which is about to become enslaved by our governments, who these controlling dictators evedently have no belief in any god in the first place, but project one. They know better but don't act on their knowing. Their so wraped up within so many evils it's going to be a major chore to fix. (but I'm no expert). At this point and time I'd like off of this planet, ha-ha...Thank you your very kind........
You know Kurrrt, no matter how many times we share the simple message of compassion and love, new people still keep getting hooked by violent belief systems. One very odd message that my mind received was that the violence mentioned in all the books were actually referring to the ideas in our own mind. I know when I deal with issues of my past, it is not a very comfortable process. But when we ultimately have to let go of ways that are self-destructive, the benefits are "glorious." Almost heavenly as spoken in the Bible and the Qur'an. Our battle is always in the mind. We have to decide which thoughts get the upper hand. Hopefully, we choose peace most of the time. Of course, marriage is a very big testing ground. Take care and have a great day Kurrrt.
The old enslaving dark passages of the dark age is brought into mans future to only further ignore the truth of great new understandings, and logical ways of thinking. Only a wonderful life and a glorious future can be obtained without those enslaving commands to obey 2000 year old non-existing entities. A good start is by simply being the kindest human being you can be towards all of humanity, and always.
Oops, I judge them as having no heart for humanity. They taught us to believe that if someone refused salvation, "the free gift," that they were rejecting almighty god and therefore I should have no part in their lives. You see, people became a source of income for the church monster. A source of income for the church movement. Do anything to get them involved in the church and then we get the ten plus percent out of them for the rest of their lives and we can go on building our big church mansions.
I am sorry people, but it all made me very sick and crazy. I encourage you to really think about what you follow.