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Outlaw Births

2008 ,    »  -   89 Comments
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Outlaw BirthsClair, Heather and Clio are all pregnant, but have all decided not to use conventional medical care.

They will all have free births - giving birth in their own homes with no professional assistance or pain relief.

The process is highly controversial; those assisting at the births could even face prosecution. Will they all go through with their plans?

This controversial system of childbirth, known as free birth, is becoming increasingly popular in the UK and America, but goes against the advice of doctors, causes concern among family members and may not even be legal.

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    His Forever
  1. His Forever

    Why would something as natural as childbirth in your own home the way you want it be illeagal? Both my children were born with my wife strapped down on her back (against my wishes, and during the last one she was nearly unconcious from drugs that they gave WITHOUT our concent). She was unconcious for nearly a day afterwards and she had memory problems after the birth unlike with the first child that was born without pain medication. "Free birth" is the way to go if your young and healthy--French style. But, I do know one child that died due to strangulation by the umbilical cord in a homebirth--it's not entirely risk free, but neither is a hospital birth.

  2. Monica Carvalho
  3. Monica Carvalho

    ? no comments... just wonderful memories of this unique and amazing experience ?

  4. Guest
  5. Guest

    Both of my girls were born at home. The oldest in a log cabin in BC's forest and the other in a small summer cabin on the shore of the St-Laurent River, Quebec. Many if not most of my friends from those days have given birth at home in BC. It was very popular in the 80's in the Kootenays BC and very unpopular in Quebec (the closest neighbour i had in Quebec was a doctor, i asked if he would come in the event of a problem and he said NO). I wouldn't have considered otherwise unless a problem was presenting itself prior to birth but No!...wonderful days both time.

    Now in BC, medical insurance allows anyone to have a midwife for free. Most young women do not give birth at home but they have the option. The midwifes go through extensive training and they are much better support than any doctors, they will also do home visits for about a month after.
    Birth is not a sickness and to be in full control of what goes on is beneficial for a woman but there is preparation to be done, books to be read, and trust to be in the power of life!

  6. knowledgeizpower
  7. knowledgeizpower

    I had my two sons in the hospital. My first son when I was in labor I was on the table they were putting in the epidural in the process thats when my water broke. A few hours into labor being injected with medicines to increase the contractions I'm ready and pushing the doctor checks and tells me i'm pushing correctly but there is a problem with my sons heart rate because of the medicine so I'm rushed in to have a c-section. I felt cheated of the experience. I was told that my pelvis was so small that my son could not fit and causing distress plus the medicine causing his heartrate to go up. Well i get pregnant again 5 months later discussed things with my doctor the same ob/gyn and advised to schedule my 2nd c-section before my second son was born. I was told that having more than 3 c-sections is not recommended. The uterus gets weaker and weaker after. I feel that after taking the time to investigate and read up on the process of giving birth in a hospital and how common c-section are and what is told to you during the process, I made a terrible mistake of having my children in the hospital. I felt lied to and cheated from this beautiful experience for the most its all about profit. I have watched several DOCS and the same lie that was told to me has been told to many women in order to push c-sections. A womans body is made to perform the birthing process and no one should be told they cannot do this or this is wrong or this will hurt the baby. I want to have my next child at home Naturally without epidurals without medicines the way I was made to. This was a good documentary it gives me hope that birthing at home is a good choice, I also recommend watching The Business of Being Born, Peace.

  8. Dan_sir
  9. Dan_sir

    When i was born i was a little small. There was nothing to suggest that my birth would be difficult and my mom did everything she could to insure good health, but, it just did not matter. If i was not born in the hospital I would be dead, guaranteed. I understand their reasons for wanting a home birth but is the risk really worth the benefit? Could you forgive yourself if something went wrong, could you really say you did everything you could, would you blame your partner, would you have the strength to act while tired from labor? Think of your children and your partner. What would there lives be like with out you. You have too much to lose. If you want to gamble go to a casino. If your going to have a home birth at the very least have a midwife present. She can sip tea in the hall way if you don't want her right there but at least shes there and can act, under pressure, If it all goes south.

  10. His Forever
  11. His Forever

    That's great, Az. I knew more about natural birthing methods than the doctor that delivered our 2nd child. I was angry she was so ignorant about every little thing and I asked her to research natural birthing methods over the internet. I was shocked she knew so little about natural birthing methods such as on a birthing stool or squatting, rather than on your back with your legs in sturrups.

    The only benefit to birth in a hospital is the rare time when true intervention is needed, but much of the intervention is done for the doctor's convenience, not the woman giving birth and partially because they do put the woman on her back spread-eagle.

    Mortality rates in the Philippines is high for both mother and child. Her brother's wife who gave birth in the hospital was neglected so long after birth they just found her dead from bleeding that none had bothered to check on her for so long she bleed out. Her hasband had left and came back and found her dead--IN the hospital.

    I had one child born in Korea and one in the Philippines. 80% good experince, but 20% bad experience in the hospitals.

    Anyway, I'm angry all over again about the process. No wonder so many parents are choosing "Free Birth". Things need to change.

  12. Guest
  13. Guest

    On my second birth i stood in the shower emptying the 40 gallons hot water tank slowly, alone, breathing, positive, touching, out of the shower and gave birth within minutes in my bed.
    No one can do that in a conventional hospital.

  14. His Forever
  15. His Forever

    My son was 2.25 kilos at birth. Really quite small too. I just wish the hospitals were more accomodating for natural birth rather than "birth rape" where no one seems to have a choice what is done except the doctor. My wife was even given drugs without our concent--we were both angry about that. She was basically unconcious for the birth of our second child and doesn't remember a thing after she came out.

  16. morsie2
  17. morsie2

    It's not a new thing having babies at home. It was so much better when we had our babies at home 40 years ago. I had just a midwife each time, and all three births were fine.

    The medical and welfare staff have far too much control over the treatment of the mother and also the baby. The nurses are terse and their manner is authoritarian. They want everything done their way and don't give a thought to the mothers wants and needs. Going into hospital is so clinical and takes away all the pleasure of seeing one's babies come into the world surrounding by love and care.

    It was so beautiful watching the mother (with the red hair) giving birth - so quiet and peaceful and joy.

  18. His Forever
  19. His Forever

    They tried to force a selective C-section on my wife as I'm 6'3" and she's a tiny little Asian. But, sure enough, the first birth was 6 hours and the 2nd was 4 hours, both naturally. I think had they not made her lay on her back (the first time in sturrups) she wouldn't have needed to be cut. She tore just a tiny bit the second time only. The unwanted and unrequested drugs knocked both her and my daughter out for a whole day basically after the birth as they were given much to late like minutes before the birth. That upset me quite a bit, and my wife had memory trouble after that for a while, unlike with our first child.

  20. knowledgeizpower
  21. knowledgeizpower

    I think that alot of the issues come from being strapped down like that also. I mean what goes up must come down right? When you are laying on your back pushing and straining its like you are pushing against gravity. Just allowing the baby to naturally come down that doesn't cause much pain. People are afraid of that basically frightened they don't know the difference between pain and discomfort. You will have discomfort in giving birth thats natural if you fight against it thats what causes the pain. Its so many things that i have learned and i just would have done things completely different.

  22. tariqxl
  23. tariqxl

    The law makers don't want babies dying it'll be one less they can send to die in a foreign country in 16 years time pfft free birth - there is no freedom to do what you want anymore especially with your own body... The church says your soul 'belongs' to god and the government says your body is all theirs.

  24. Sieben Stern
  25. Sieben Stern

    birth grosses me out, but the women doing it in the pools fascinates me enough to watch...

    I get the thought that this is like the vaccine issue - people forget how bad and dangerous smallpox and whooping cough can be because so they don't need the vaccines anymore, the vaccines themselves become dangerous.

  26. Guest
  27. Guest

    Standing up while rocking your bottom, left and right as if dancing slowly, helps A LOT. You can do it while holding the backrest of a chair.
    During my first birth i had invited a girlfriend who had given birth 3 months prior to me. I breastfed her newborn baby to induce the contractions...yes....when you suck on a woman's breast it sends a direct message to "down under" and for a birth it does the trick. A baby can suck like no man dare to.
    I should be a midwife...if i had the time to study!

  28. Winston Smith
  29. Winston Smith

    damn! -The highest respect to these,, and all moms for going through that. WOW!

  30. soostark
  31. soostark

    for my third child i had him at home, not intentional but everything happened so fast, that my mom actually ended up delivering him on my bathroom floor, and this was definitly the best birth experience without a doubt. no interence, no one forcing drugs down me i obviously done it all drug free, no one telling when to and when not to push, no one giving me internal examinations, its was wonderful and the best bit was having my mom deliver him,i definitly agree that a hospital is so clinical, im not very good with hospitals etc but i found this birth experience so peaceful and so easy all because it was me doing it, my past experince in the hospital however was not bad, just very clinical, felt i wasnt listened to and they gave with drugs that i didnt agree with and didnt consent to which i think is very out of order,i think everyone should be given the option of what birth they would like.
    ive watched a lot of american programmes aout people having children and to me it seems like they(the hospital) are so quick to induce someone or to give them epidurals and i dont necessarily agree with that

  32. John Gros
  33. John Gros

    Simple solution for all. Accept childbirth is normal not a medical emergency. Maternity wards should allow women to do this, doctors, nurses, and midwives only step in if some emergency does occur. The medical establishment is too keen to draw first blood without an emergency to respond to.

  34. PavolvsBitch
  35. PavolvsBitch

    The lawmakers don't give a stuff about babies dying; the more the merrier. What they don't want is to lose control of the process of intervention, trauma, vaccination etc which accompanies every hospital birth. Each 'unit of production' (i.e. live birth to you and I) has to be regulated and monitored; by the time a baby leaves the hospital, it has been brain-damaged.

  36. PavolvsBitch
  37. PavolvsBitch

    Home-birthing, like home-schooling, is an enormous threat to the system; the child will be born naturally and raised naturally with a conscious mind and intelligent capacity to be self-sufficient and insist on being so. A bad example to set the zombified masses.

  38. PavolvsBitch
  39. PavolvsBitch

    The first thing they expose the baby with? Rat poison! Welcome to our world. Maggie Blot is a lying pharmawhore. It's all machinery and equipment and drugs and brutal intervention. C-section is usually to fit births around the oh-so-important medic's schedules for say, golf, lunch or whatever. Such a British production; notice how 'born free' subscribers are described as cult followers. The demonisation of nature to the ascending god of science. I think birth is meant to be ecstatic communion with the creator engaging with the creation of a new life. Then there's the hospital experience of hell. Then you get brainless blondes denigrating the innate intelligence of parents comparing it with internet instructions on parachuting as opposed to the consequences of a jump unassisted. My neighbour did go to hospital for the birth of their 2 children - one popped out whilst she was taking her jeans off and the other after 10 minutes. She could easily have safely homebirthed and had undergone yogic breathing work in preparation.

  40. PavolvsBitch
  41. PavolvsBitch

    The other critical factor to homebirthing is bonding and this is highly accentuated through the ingestion of the placenta which also eliminates post birth depression.

  42. AboutTime80
  43. AboutTime80

    I have worked alongside obstetricians, neonatologists and midwives and I take umbrage at people demonising them. Seriously..."birth rape?" You're gonna compare getting your cervix examined if necessary and usually with permission to an ACTUAL TRAUMATIC RAPE? I wonder what rape survivors got to say about that. Obstetricians pushing inductions and caesareans because they want to play golf? This is such an ignorant statement.

    Please, choose homebirth if you want and can accept all the risks, including yours and your baby's death if complications should arise (I'm not saying that babies do not die in hospitals... only that if complications arise being in a hospital means better odds of surviving.) No one is saying you can't. But for the love of whatever... do it safely, with common sense and with an experienced and qualified person who can help you handle and manage your risk so that your health and your baby's health can be optimised. Sometimes it means having your child in the hospital and that's fine. Most obs, neonatologists and midwives I know are the kindest, most hardworking and most under appreciated people I've met.

    Dr Isis is right. "Your home birth is not a feminist statement". And it should NEVER BE ABOUT MAKING A STATEMENT or a time to show-off. It should be about bringing a baby ALIVE to the world to love and nurture... and keep the mother safe so she can be there for her child. Caesarean, vaginal delivery... home birth, hospital births... the truth of the matter is that it doesn't matter. If risks happen and lives are lost, do you think the statement "Sometimes babies die" (when they don't have to) is enough to justify an ill-decision or inadequate care?

    And please stop this "birth rape" thing. It's ridiculous and the term is OUTRIGHT disrespectful to the actual survivors of rape and sexual assault.

  44. Clifford William Thomas
  45. Clifford William Thomas

    Please present this evidence and source that consuming the placenta eliminates post natal depression.

  46. Clifford William Thomas
  47. Clifford William Thomas

    If anything, a natural birth is debatably, evolutionarilly better in producing stronger offspring, but having the aids that modern science gives us allows us to expand the gene pool in ways that natural birth couldn't do alone.

    Also, to say that Induced pregnancy and C-Sections are performed to fit around a busy schedule of "Golf, lunch or whatever" is not only unfounded but absolutely insane to even suggest it.

    Your example of your neighbours experience is misguided also. Yes, some women experience child birth very quickly and easily and that is fortunate for them, however, what about those women who undergo child birth for 36+ hours? Are you really saying that those should also be homebirthing? That they should have no assistance in their childs delivery? That they should have no pain relief at all during that time and shouldn't have a Caesarian if complications arise?

  48. His Forever
  49. His Forever

    You're right, Az! I had to tell this to the baby "doctor" here in the Philippines about the hip rocking and different birthing positions. Appearently none, zero, zilch, nada have ever had their babies with her except on their backs! They wouldn't even let my wife try it. Unfortunately I'm sure this Dr. was not alone. Shocking! This is one thing the French have got right!

    Besides the breastfeeding trick to induce labor, did you know that chemicals in semen also induce labor? It's true! If your wife is near due, or especially OVERDUE, then get with it! Orgasim also can help induce and speed up labor. Not advisable after the water breaks, however. I read it in my 400 page baby book that I practically memorized. It worked for us! :-) Seriously.

  50. His Forever
  51. His Forever

    Here's the pefect combination: Don't forbid homebirth, but improve hospital birth to be in wonderful quiet, woman and father centered birth, rather than a doctor centered procedure. C-sections would decrease by 3/4 and the cuts, etc. would decrease I estimate by 70% of the women wheren't on their backs rushing it!

    But, the cutting and the c-secitons cost more money than a natural effortless birth.

    As far as homebirth, there should be a trained midwife there, to help, not dictate what to do. Babies do get caught in the cord, and a cool head knows that 90%+ of those babies can be carefully "untangled" without a c-section by NOT pushing, and fingering the cord from around the neck or making the loop large enough for the baby to pass through with the next push.

    Things like placental misplacement can be assessed BEFORE birth with a simple unltrasound. A baby with a head too big to pass through the birth canal is more rare than you think--but can happen. You can test for this when the baby turns and if the head slips fully into the pelvis with a little slide, when the mother raises her hips while on her back, it's just fine. If not, then sometimes even then the baby can still make it through when the "pressure" is on.

    Nonetheless, I do know of one homebirth that ended in the death of the baby, and one couple who had a baby in the hospital that lost it because of the placenta problems.

    A good rule of thumb: Get your scanes, and get trained in alternative birthing methods (not on your back), and have help, and then most likely everything will go as smoothly as hoped.

    Like Az, I'd make a great midwife!

    P.S. breach birth vaginally is still possible, but much more risky. Assess the liklihood of problems with such a birth carefully. Homebirth less recomended if you know the birth will be breach. But, then again a large percentage of breach babies turn AFTER labor begins. Be wise; be prepare; be happy!

  52. His Forever
  53. His Forever

    They used the term "birth rape" on the doc, and I think what I meant when I used the term was when the doctor takes over and does not allow any other "options". I was angry when they sturruped my wife on her back and then when she couldn't push a baby out upside down they cut her four inches deep! No exaggeration.

    The doctors have all been exceedingly kind, yes, but not always accomodating and certainly not fully knowledgeable about other ways of birthing besides the quick and easy way. I'm just glad she healed without major problems as some women have from such a big cut. The second child (even bigger than the first) was born without a cut, proving that she probably could have done so with the first had she not been on her back, sturruped, and immobile. I think situations like that are what we refer to as "birth rape"--not the examinations, etc. I wish I had been more of a man and insisted on her being allowed to birth like a French woman on a birthing stool or squatting, but I buckled under the pressure and said "Yes" when they wanted to strap her down and cut her. It was very traumatic for me, more than her I think. Asian men are absantees for the whole brith process. I guess they could barely handle me being there as it was.

  54. His Forever
  55. His Forever

    Really? Why is that? Logical, but do you have supporting evidence? We used ours to plant a tree.

  56. Jack1952
  57. Jack1952

    In the seventies when my children were born, as the father, I was kept out of the birthing process. I could not touch or hold my son until he left the hospital at three days old. These were normal childbirths with absolutely no complications. I felt like an intruder at my own children's births even though one on the nurses was a friend who I had known in high school.

    When my grandchildren were born, things had changed a great deal. They were born in a hospital but the father was there through the entire process. He stayed in the room overnight and helped with the care of the baby. Doctors and nurses were always available and were very helpful. I held my grandson when he was only a half an hour old in contrast to the 3 days for my son's birth. The hospital staff could not have been more supportive and I cannot commend them enough for their kind, yet professional demeanor. Attitudes and policies had changed immensely in 30 years.

    There is no reason for not allowing home births if it is done responsibly. However, hospital births do not have to be negative experience. If it becomes one, it is due to the specific people involved...not to some huge medical and government plot or policy. Like in any profession, some people tend to be jerks. Medical people are no exception.

    I have to agree with AboutTime80. The use of the word rape can only be seen in a negative way and is used as a strong criticism of the medical profession. It can only frighten first time mothers when they are in a vulnerable state of mind. It is cruel and thoughtless.

  58. lex lexich
  59. lex lexich

    i would definitely be supportive to a wife that wants us to have birth at home, more over i would suggest it, there are always risks EVEN IN HOSPITALS, but positive thinking is actually miraculous in this case... i am not, however, against prenatal ultrasound checks... documentary is definitely worth seeing

  60. His Forever
  61. His Forever

    Yes, I admit things are better than before in that respect. They didn't want me there, but I was there for both my children's births. With the second one, she never left my sight. They cleaned her, checked her, and gave her to me within minutes. Her mom was unconcious do to unasked for drugs, but my daughter never left us for the whole time we were in the hospital. I liked that much better than having the baby whisked away to who knows where! Things are improving, but you have to demand your rights and be assertive.

    Ok: Funny true story time! My wife is Filipina and I am white, and they wisked my mixed-blood son away in Korea and I found him myself and took pictures (and got in trouble)-- I wanted to make sure they didn't "switch" him with another baby. Funny me, as I was the only "foreigner" in the hospital; I would have known pretty darn quickly if they had brought me a full-blooded Korean baby later! ;-) I was all gloved and smocked up, so I don't know why they were so particular about me following the baby. Gerrrr! Unless there is an emergency, the baby shouldn't leave the mother and father I don't think.

  62. Guest
  63. Guest

    i must say we most of the time meet on your religious front and we rarely agree but i see that in birthing, we understand each other very well!

  64. Guest
  65. Guest

    same here! A fruit tree, fruitful as life! A placenta has the shape and veins of a tree in it's membrane.

  66. Guest
  67. Guest

    C-section have been performed many times over to fit a doctor's vacation. If you don't believe that ....ask around.

  68. AboutTime80
  69. AboutTime80

    I am sorry to hear about your terrible experience. I can only speak for myself. My experiences are absolutely different to what a lot of militant and ignorant home births fanatics are erroneously and irresponsibly indoctrinating the women with. And when some of them use the term "birth rape", they mainly allude to the VE exam. I am sure they could also use it to mean having their choices taken away. But I have my choices taken away from me at many junctures in my life. Some are minor while others are traumatic which led to severe hardships and stress. But I do not think I can call them terms like "School rape", "Marriage rape" or "Job rape".

    We also need to consider in what circumstances are the "choices" being taken away. Sometimes it is an emergency and it's easier to say "oh, we could have done that or that" in retrospect. Things are always easier on hindsight. I also hope that you have feedback to the hospital and the obs about your experience to help them improve and show them where they had perhaps failed you and disrespected your wishes. But you must know they are doing what they think is best at that time to preserve the life of your wife and your baby.

    But whatever it is, the situation you have described is not comparable to rape. It is different from rape. It is very important, very valid and very traumatic. It is awful that it should even happen. But it isn't rape. Bandying that term and relating it to something like BIRTH... that is utterly inappropriate and damn insensitive.

    I have witnessed so many births and have been involved in them. The feel-good stories about hospital births that some people happily (and some begrudgingly) attest to, to me, are the NORM. But in those militant home-birth territories, they seem to always be portrayed as the exceptions.

    I am not against homebirths but against non-commonsensical ones. Why risk lives when we have fought through the dark ages and made so much
    advancement to SAVE lives?

    BTW, births after the first birth is usually easier. I think it's because everything becomes, for lack of a better description, "stretchier". She might have been able to birth her first child on all fours or other position... but she might not have as well. Her experience with the second child is no proof that the first child could have been delivered without an episiotomy.

    I must say that I have witnessed a few epis which were really needed (positions changed, baby's too big and in distress and mom's pushing for way too long and tiring) and have never been comfortable watching any.

  70. AboutTime80
  71. AboutTime80

    Would you suggest it to everyone? Even high-risk mothers? Do you know enough about pregnancy, labour, birth, intrauterine health of the baby, position of the placenta, antenatal care etc. to actually make a strong recommendation for homebirth?

  72. Guest
  73. Guest

    I do!
    and yes i would suggest a trained midwife to be present and no, i would not suggest to a high-risk mother to give birth at home, a midwife wouldn't either.
    A women when left to orchestrate her own birth...will 95% of the time have a healthy, safe, very spiritual birth.
    You have to know that when you give birth it is as if your whole self is in a "placenta" "bubble" "dimension" only her can feel.
    During my second birth, i invited my young cousin who was pregnant of her second child (she had had an unpleasant birth in the hospital for her first child), my mother was there to take care of my 4yrs old (who was able to be present the whole time), 2 midwifes and the dad.
    Before the birth i told every one...I am in charge please follow me to life.
    My cousin gave birth to her second child at home (her third one too), my mother assisted a birth like she had never experienced herself because of the ways of the 50' (lay down, stir-ups, and a shot to put you to sleep minutes before the actual birth), the dad was calm and supportive and my young daughter got to see and hold her baby sister minutes after she was born.
    An hour after birth, i was sitting at the kitchen table with everyone, baby in hands, in complete one could talk. My mom said she went home and could not find the words to describe to my dad what she had experienced through her own daughter.

  74. Guest
  75. Guest

    I read past the "birth rape" term.
    Many male doctors do take over and in a way end up "raping" the process, not the actual person.

  76. His Forever
  77. His Forever

    AboutTime80: My son did have a lot of bruising when he came out, (even as a near premie) but that was from the pelvis, I think. He was past the pelvis when they did the episiotomy. All things considered, in that case, they did pretty good except for the sturrups. They let me cut the cord, which was nice, and I was the first human to see his little frumpy face as he popped out. They put him to my wife's breast right away to induce the placenta to detach. All well done. I think that doctors get into a "rush" to have the baby born "safely" as so much is at stake.

    The second birth was more "patient" in my opinion without an episiotomy, but they drugged her without permission and she missed out on her own baby's birth. Also, when I was gloving up to cut the cord, some truly stupid nurse cut it before me . . . even the doctor was mad as I had made it very clear I wanted to do that.

    I wish I could do them both over again, and make sure our wishes were more fully accomodated each time. But, you're right . . . the end result was two healthy babies and a healthy living mother as well. I made the mistake the first time of following the baby and not staying with my wife who got mad at me. The second time I stayed with my wife, but she was drugged into a stupor (without our concent) and never new it. Really made us mad! That's what I'm talking about having your choices (and priveledges) taken away by doctors/nurses in a hurry or that are insensitive or unthinking or just doing things "by routine".

    Charles B.

  78. His Forever
  79. His Forever

    Yes, Az, that's how I meant it--"rape" of the process, not the person. It's not for the doctor's time schedule, etc. (I know they have lives too), but this is a family's "special time" not just "one more time" for the doctor.

  80. His Forever
  81. His Forever

    Had to do over, we would still do a hospital birth, as my wife is older (high risk) and both our babies were born early and a bit small, but healthy. But, "good enough" is not the best! Hospitals need to be less "in charge" and more sympathetic to the needs of the mothers and fathers or they will continue to loose expectant parents to "out law births".

  82. Dana Haire
  83. Dana Haire

    My mother actually gave birth at home. No free birth. There was a midwife present and other medical assistants. But where we live giving birth at home is considered fairly normal. The midwife takes care of all the equipment that is needed and has assistants. The doctors won't let the women give birth at home if they have had complications during the pregnancy or if the baby will be born too soon. I actually am against free birth because the risks are too high. My mom is too, so is my dad and most people we know.

  84. lex lexich
  85. lex lexich

    maybe it was not clear from the context, i would suggest it to my non existant wife, not to everyone because i simply don't care for other people... i know enough (about pregnancy) and i am not suggesting that we should learn how to make fire in caves again

  86. His Forever
  87. His Forever

    Oh, thank you! I missed that one. :-)

    Correction: I watched that 11 months ago! LOL I have a leaky brain -- I gotta check the comments to remember what I've watched and what I haven't! LOL

  88. AndyA121
  89. AndyA121

    I don't see anything wrong with it but you should get some birth emergency training as things can go wrong. Birth is a natural process and should not be treated as some kind of rocket science. Women have been giving birth for thousands of years, since the dawn of man, without a doctor even and had to learn how to do it themselves, many of them.

  90. Amanda LaVine
  91. Amanda LaVine

    "I try not to think about it". Yeah, because ignoring the problem makes it all go away right? Oh and calling 911 if something goes wrong only works if you can actually make the call. What happens if you pass out?

  92. Beth
  93. Beth

    Anyone notice the medical folks in this piece never ever talked about the number of babies born in the hospital who died? Not to mention home births are common in Holland.

    And lets be honest, poor women give birth at home all the time and the money oriented medical folks dont care. Its when white middle class women do it and alas take $$$ away from the medical folks that they get concerned.

    Now...I do think we should be concerned about obese and other high risk women giving birth at home. But thats just my personal view.

  94. Andy Murphy
  95. Andy Murphy

    My little sister Angela, was born in a bath in a teepee in the back yard.... and we live in Australia. I guess Mum felt more comfortable being in her own environment. I can't wait to tell her that she may have been born illegally.

  96. Guest
  97. Guest

    Try to pass out while giving birth...if you can.
    I have had the fear of blood since i was a very little girl, passed out hundreds of time in my younger life. This all stopped with my first birth at home.
    So much can be learned, talked about in prenatal groups, a pregnant woman has to slowly (9 months) tame the thought of birthing but i agree to what you seem to say....Fear is a monster to tame.

  98. dchayden
  99. dchayden

    AboutTime80, I totally agree with you. I see words here like "taking away my...," "and we felt like...," and of course... "rape..."???? wtf is this?? Having a baby is not about "you" or "your" selfish more then raising a child is about "you," it is about THEM and their safety !!! This is total and utter BS !! I am not even going to waste my time with this selfish, disgusting, narcissistic view of what childbirth should be. Grow the f--k up ppl. Common sense anyone??
    I am totally disgusted with this, honest to god :/
    Not even coming back here to read any more comments ffs.

  100. Guest
  101. Guest

    I'd bet anything you came back to see what answers you got to your comment full of !!!???""" and empty of knowledge of what giving birth is.
    And if not...good riddance!

  102. Roos Ruijne
  103. Roos Ruijne

    The people who give birth in hospitals in the Netherlands, are commonly more high risk. So yes, babies do die. The babies who die in a hospital would most certainly die at home too.

    Home birth = more risk. The Netherlands have a fairly high rate of neonatal death because of home birth.

    Not that home birth is a bad thing, but saying that getting born in a hospital is riskier or perhaps even just as dangerous is bolloks.

    The conclusion that you can draw is that being born is overall just a very dangerous business.

  104. Cumatru Lup
  105. Cumatru Lup

    These women are as bad as those who smoke and drink during their pregnacies; for their whimsical bullshit egoism they put the baby's life at risk.

  106. Mandy_Matt
  107. Mandy_Matt

    To you and to Azilda - no, I will not look past the term "birth rape". It is not the same thing. In a hospital, the woman has every capability of standing up and saying no and asking for something else (my own OB/GYN said it is about the woman and what she wants concerning how she wants to do it, but being stupid and endangering the child is another thing). She has the ability and the time in 9 months to search for someone she connects with to feel comfortable and make sure her baby is okay because giving birth is about the baby, NOT her. Rape is about having zero choices, no ability to fight and being violated with lasting physical and emotional scars. As a woman and a mother I am disgusted by ignorant women who think it is okay to throw around words like that to get their point across. It is a careless and crass word to use, and is an insult to survivors of rape.

  108. Guest
  109. Guest

    I haven't met too many women who smoke and drink during pregnancy but i have met a load of men who smoke and drink (too much) while their wives are pregnant.

  110. Mandy_Matt
  111. Mandy_Matt

    I do not believe it and never will. My son was born by c-section and I would not have it any other way. My doctor had the lowest incidence of c-section operations of any doctor in my area, and he would only do it if deemed necessary. My blood pressure the day before was 154/112, I was leaking protein and was heading for preeclampsia, and he could not induce me because my son was too large (estimated at 8lbs 6 born 9lb 4) and was too high to come out.

    But I guess I should have home birthed because he's a cesspool of drugs etc, etc, even though in the best scenario with preeclampsia we both would have died. Woohoo, I'm a horrible person, he's been poisoned with what, rat poison? I guess I must be deceived by his excellent health and advanced development.

    Oh and my doctor came to see me the next morning to see how we were doing, and had appointments all that day - he runs between his office as an OB/GYN and the hospital delivering babies.

  112. Guest
  113. Guest

    (lol) When my wife was pregnant with our firstborn, I jogged. Jogged until I literally puked, a few times... (Sympathetic morning-sickness, in a way, I guess.)

  114. Guest
  115. Guest

    There are many men who consider they are also pregnant in their instinctive ways. I often heard from couples: "we are pregnant".
    Not surprised to hear that you were immersed in the process in your own way! in a moose kind of way, running around. lol

  116. Guest
  117. Guest

    Don't believe it.
    I am happy your birth was safe and you son was born healthy.

    The way i read you, i think you really made the best choice to not consider homebirth, it is not for everyone and should not be.

    That your doctor went to visit you the next day, you either have a friendly doctor, good insurance $$ or you are simply lucky.

  118. Guest
  119. Guest

    You see @Mandy_Matt
    I do believe that the process of birth has been raped by the medical system, by a large portion of the male doctors, and has been made an "operation". A woman strapped on a table to give birth, looks to me as if she is being raped of her right to feel herself, her needs as a birthing individual and the call for life that her instinct knows how to follow. Of course there are exceptions but if you think about the thousands of babies born everyday, I would say: "something needs to change".
    You dissagree with that? That's your right and i don't blame you for it, you are not alone.
    You don't like the word rape, well i am French and for me rape means viol and there is a phrase that says: "se faire violer de ses droits" and it is perfectly Ok to use and by the way the phrase says it all!

    The world is large and there are many ways to think and be.
    Be as you wish and let me be!

  120. Guest
  121. Guest

    That's what some of our friends were telling us at the time, that "You guys are pregnant," not just "She's pregnant." I looked on that expression more as a courtesy to begin with, but found out later how well enough suited it is to the process from a man's perspective, as well.

  122. Patricia Robinett
  123. Patricia Robinett

    Interesting comments. Since I don't see a lot of numbers here, I guess I'll offer a few. The US, despite its very sophisticated medical birthing procedures is 34th in the world in infant mortality and 39th in the world in maternal mortality. Methinks there is something wrong with this picture.

    I have met women who cannot talk about their births, for the trauma of it still shakes them so. "Birth rape" is not just another poetic metaphor... they truly feel as if they have been violated. Violence. It doesn't need to be this way. Az, thanks for all your wise words here.

  124. Guest
  125. Guest

    Of course the placenta contains a lot of nutrients but would i eat it raw?

    "The placenta contains high levels of prostaglandin which stimulates involution (an inward curvature or penetration, or, a shrinking or return to a former size) of the uterus, in effect cleaning the uterus out. The placenta also contains small amounts of oxytocin which eases birth stress and causes the smooth muscles around the mammary cells to contract and eject milk." Wiki
    "Amongst our own species, placentophagy is not unknown. It is practised chiefly of course amongst certain interesting tribes which have no manners and whose customs are objectionable"
    (Interesting to read the words: "of course" "no manners" and "customs are objectionable".)

    and also:
    "Dried and powdered sheep's placenta is a very old remedy. In nearly every instance doses of 1 or 2 grams daily favoured lactation"

    Placentophagy And Placental Opotherapy
    Source: The British Medical Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2154 (Apr. 12, 1902), p. 909
    Published by: BMJ Publishing Group

    This research was done with animal placenta. Would they find a corrolation if they succeeded in finding women who want to eat their placenta and be followed by a study? Possibly but i would think it is not easy to organize such study unless the study was conducted on tribes with no manners!#$@

  126. DanielAugo
  127. DanielAugo

    All i know is that pregnant woman should not smoke because smoking can bring blindness of the baby in the womb .

  128. DanielAugo
  129. DanielAugo

    woman , the best place to give birth is the Hospital .

  130. Guest
  131. Guest

    man, you can't say that if you are talking to all of us women and not just to your wife.

  132. RileyRampant
  133. RileyRampant

    you seem to evade the riskiness of home birth. how is increasing the risk to the child, however imperfect trained personnel may be, a good thing? if anything goes wrong, could you live with yourself if a trained person could have saved your child, or prevented a life-long disability?

    i dont follow the reasoning behind this, other than another sort of ludditism.

  134. RileyRampant
  135. RileyRampant

    i felt poorly last week, but then got better. therefore, medicine in bunk.

  136. AutumnA
  137. AutumnA

    That was an incredibly ignorant comment. Either you have not had children, or you are one of those fools who doesn't want to take responsibility for their own health and birth and wants to hand it all over to an ignorant doctor.

  138. AutumnA
  139. AutumnA

    No, its not. If it were than we wouldn't be ranked 41 out of 45 for neonatal and maternal mortality. And who are you to tell anyone where they should be giving birth? Are you even a medical professional? What do you know about birth?

  140. Jeremy
  141. Jeremy

    I was surprised at that ranking too until a doctor explained the problems about that study. The US also has the most successful and earliest premature birth procedures, and many of those preemies don't have high chances of survival. That's what's skewing the numbers so insanely. It's just another example of don't trust statistics without doing your own research. When adjusted for the outliers, the US infant mortality rate is consistently top 5 in the world.

  142. Melissa Bell
  143. Melissa Bell

    Interesting that women have been giving birth since the begining of our creation or evolution (whichever you believe it does not matter) and yet, only very recently in our history, do we feel the need to force ideas od medical intervention on them. If one chooses to seek medical care and go to a hospital then GREAT! Thats what they are there for. If not, then we should keep our laws off of women's bodies. I had my first daughter in a birthing center, completely natural, with a midwife supervising however no medical assistance or intervention throughout the process. We were home less than 4 hours later. My daugher is now 4 and has been healthy her entire life. My son, I had for complicated reasons decided to have at a hospital and a result of medical intervention, his labor took twice as long as his sisters and he struggled a lot his first 20 minutes due to side effects. He is fine and healthy today however these were both my decisions as a mother and if they had been illegal, it would have not changed how i went about them. My body, my children, my decisions. By choosing to not have medical interventions during child birth, i was not in any way harming my daugher. I would even move to say that the western system of child birth is abusive and intolerant of a very natural process.

  144. Christine81
  145. Christine81

    That seems nice, giving birth at home..Personally I would choose to have a midwive present..The problem though is if you live in an appartment with paper-thin walls where you can hear the other person snoring. That definitely takes away all the intimacy of the moment.

  146. Poodle Pants
  147. Poodle Pants

    why are they trying to scare woman and tell us that it's Dangerous to give birth? maybe a midwife would be safer, we have had midwifes and births from the beginning of time! Stop telling us its unsafe to give birth, its not!!

  148. Med School Odyssey
  149. Med School Odyssey

    Historically speaking, one of leading causes for death among women has been death during childbirth. Not sure why you people think that labor and delivery are inherently safe.

  150. thekingbeyondthegate
  151. thekingbeyondthegate

    Do these idiots know what the infant mortality rate used to be? Why don't you try "free" heart transplants as well.

  152. Andrea Alvarez Garcia Z
  153. Andrea Alvarez Garcia Z

    I think that kind of birth is really risky because lots of unexpected things can happen during child birth and most of them need medical attention ...and also if giving birth in a hospital weren't needed why they invented it !! a lot of women died in the past because the had a complicated birth and no medical attention! so please women think !!! what would happen to me and my baby if anything goes wrong!!??? I don't know but i would never forgive myself if I kill my baby because I didn't want to go to a hospital!! ...and if you're afraid of having a bad experience try to find a doctor that you like to give birth to your baby (if you want good service you have to pay a good hospital and doctor)

  154. Andrea Alvarez Garcia Z
  155. Andrea Alvarez Garcia Z

    half women died in childbirth before the hole medical thing! that's why you have babies in hospitals ! my mom wanted to have me homebirth but hopefully she changed her mind and I was born in a hospital because I was born with a lot of problems and at 8 months! and if it wasn't for that I wouldn't be here

  156. janedoexyz
  157. janedoexyz

    Let's get something clear...Before going on about the big risks of homebirth, remember that the number one cause of maternal mortality during "pre-hospital" days was post-partum hemorrhage. That, in turn, was due to poor diet and access to the needed amount of nutrients and minerals to sustain healthy, recovery post-childbirth. The number one cause of infant mortality rate pre-hospital was a result of infection, usually do to unclean or unsanitary environment (unclean water for washing, unclean tools for cutting umbilical cord, etc.). Now, homebirths with proper experienced and educated midwives makes the maternity and infant mortality rate less than most hospitals (that usually have little to no full explanation or detailed records of either).

    Also, let's remember that when these glorified hospitals came into the picture, there were a higher amount of maternal death rates than ever before due to unsanitary conditions...C-section rates are up to 33% (in the US anyway), when in the 1980's, over 8% was considered dangerous, we've cleared increased that rate by 4x...THAT'S dangerous.

    Birth has become a business...A money maker and the largest income revenue for hospitals nationwide. Why would they want women or families to be educated if they knew they would lose their biggest supplier?

    THINK people...You're not st*pid and you're certainly not without access to information.

  158. janet
  159. janet

    If the video is not available please take it off the list. There is nothing quite so disappointing as seeing the video you really want to watch and then finding out it is unavailable.

  160. ranii02
  161. ranii02

    google the name and you'll find it on youtube

  162. Teresa Tom
  163. Teresa Tom

    you mean thankfully...

  164. MelissaT.
  165. MelissaT.

    Infant is good! It's maternal mortality and morbidity that is shockingly poor.

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