The Shock Doctrine
A documentary adaptation Naomi Klein's 2007 book, The Shock Doctrine. An investigation of disaster capitalism, based on Naomi Klein's proposition that neo-liberal capitalism feeds on natural disasters, war and terror to establish its dominance.
Based on breakthrough historical research and four years of on-the-ground reporting in disaster zones, The Shock Doctrine vividly shows how disaster capitalism – the rapid-fire corporate re-engineering of societies still reeling from shock – did not begin with September 11, 2001.
The films traces its origins back fifty years, to the University of Chicago under Milton Friedman, which produced many of the leading neo-conservative and neo-liberal thinkers whose influence is still profound in Washington today.
New, surprising connections are drawn between economic policy, shock and awe warfare and covert CIA-funded experiments in electroshock and sensory deprivation in the 1950s, research that helped write the torture manuals used today in Guantanamo Bay.
The Shock Doctrine follows the application of these ideas through our contemporary history, showing in riveting detail how well-known events of the recent past have been deliberate, active theatres for the shock doctrine, among them: Pinochet’s coup in Chile in 1973, the Falklands War in 1982, the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989, the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the Asian Financial crisis in 1997 and Hurricane Mitch in 1998.
Just read the book or see the film. Since I red it when it still was new I always thought it really should be mandatory in schools to at least try to grasp it somehow. Today I see how its beginning to become forgotten. At least in Sweden.
havnt seen this yet, but will watch it very soon... this is extremely relevant to my city, Christchurch, New Zealand. Which experienced 3 major earthquakes in the space of one year, the worst being Feb22 which resulted in 180 dead and the later & ongoing demolition of over 3000 buildings including all but a few of the CBD high-rises (15+ storey buildings), and the red-zoning of 10,000 houses, with many still to be assessed, & some homes still without a flushing toilet more than 2 years later. all this plus just about every pipe & sewer main in half of the city needing repair/replacement.
The Shock Doctrine becomes relevant when our prime-minister is an ex Merryl Lynch exec (one of the principle inventors of "derivatives") and the whole rebuild is basicly a neo-liberalist agenda with only the connected few getting a say. With one major construction co (that runs 70% of our entire building industry already & is pre-invested by both the govt & the disaster insurance scheme) given priority of project management & insurance contracts, and up to 1000 businesses & homeowners threatened with compulsory acquisition (& consequent demolition) for the buyout of a "Green Frame" around the new smaller CBD area, to be be re-sold at a later date to chosen investors, with original owners having no right of refusal. All this with the rebuild ideas such as a $300million convention centre that no one wants & other such plans, while grass-roots & small businesses are declined, and the threatened closure of 30 schools (an obvious ploy to get people out of affected areas & continue with mooted plans for charter schools) the whole thing points to an obvious wealth transfer from collective to connected, and a neo-liberalist agenda. Infact if this doco was made 5 years from now i say my city would definately be in it.
Infact as a whole my whole country is facing such an agenda, with Christchurch being the "reason" given for it, with asset sales accross the board, govt hiked power prices to make power co SOEs more popular for investors, no letup of milk prices despite us paying some of the worlds highest prices for our own produce, an obvious plan for a low-wage economy, welfare cuts, education cuts, health cuts, plans to mine our national parks, consents for fracking operations & deep sea drilling given behind closed doors where even councils dont even know, and ofcourse pay rises for politicians & tax cuts for the rich, resulting in NZ having the fastest growing disparity in the world. Yip especially in my quake damaged city, where the worst disaster has been the obvious neo-liberal rebuild of it, but in our whole country, we are living and breathing the Shock Doctrine.
I was shocked by this documentary, it made me investigate more... here's some of what I found out...
A lot of the footage used comes from "Commanding Heights - The Battle for the World Economy" (PBS) (2002) - by the same team who made "The Prize".
I warn you, the Commanding Heights version of events is VERY biased towards Hayek and Freidman's free market and economic globalisation (which I am not), but the upshot gives an insider view of those that promote it, i.e. the other side of the coin.
What Naomi's documentary leaves out though, is that the so called 'shock treatment' was a term given by Milton Freidman, to describe the horrific economic events needed to be ENDURED in order to reverse hyper inflation that was CRIPPLING the likes of Poland and Chile. This programme doesn't mention the this at all, nore the fact that it (the shock treatment) worked:
In order to fix hyper inflation (as a direct cause of government intervention), drastic cuts to government spending and removal of price fixing needed to be implemented in order to stem the tide and bring INFLATION stability back. Shock treatment was the term used for that period of things getting worse before they would get better. IT WORKED, those economies were turned around and stability returned.
This documentary rightly shows though, that the new wealth creation was not spread to all and inequality became rife. Don't be fooled by the bastardisation of the term 'shock treatment' as it was originally intended, and subverted here to mean something else. Naomi makes an EXTREMELY good case for her own interpretation of what the 'shock treatment' actually turned out to be, but the suggestion that it was preconceived that way by these guys is, to me, conveniently misleading.
Watch both sides of the argument and you will see what I mean.
The wealthy will 'Always' take advantage of the poor.
Absolutely a must see documentary !
Some interesting insights in history I think everybody should know..the events in Chile officially refered to as "the miracle of Chile".. maybe that should be reconsidered after seeing this doc..
An Awesome film that every citizen of the World should watch and learn from.
Explains alot. how the dems are talking over the world. while the system in the usa has the fall guy (rep). they also work with dems. fool proof system. now. Obama is pushing electric solar to power farm tractors just like lincoln did. lincoln had mechanical though. both had the effect to deal with over population. lincolns and obama system starve the sought to death. what work will illegal have? what work would the confederate have? same thing. i don't even know why African americans or fellow blacks don't stand up to slavery of other people? makes you thing will history repeat its self? porel harbor was about Japian not getting anything out of WW1 after they pay the highest price. Japain then took what it thought was there ownership of WW2. Wars arn't free. Then the USa blockcaged them. Starving Japain of food and energy. So Japain then did Hawwii.
I like these doc it was real in to the point. "We made a mistake"...
This is a really good doc. It reminds me when I was in El Salvador during the 80's and my mom used to take pictures at an army barracks and I used to see a few American officers. Looking back after this makes me wonder how many might of been present during the tortures that happen their throughout the civil war. I wish the US would have a different approach to their foreign policy. I remember when I was younger I used to hate the US and the people in it. But coming to Canada did show me that it is the foreign policy that I hate. Anyways just a personal opinion. Great Doc and I love TDF keep up the great work you do here.
sad, they didn't include the part about indonesia in the movie
With the risk of sounding 'unamerican' (whatever that means) ... I'm just torn...I'm so happy to have come upon this reckoning (a little more than a year or so ago) but ashamed, appalled, embarrassed (insert ANY demoralizing adjective here) to have fallen, for all these years for the BS we've been fed & eating for so long.
I knew, I just KNEW once old bush, w, cheney & rumsfeld claimed the reigns again that something very evil and corrupt was happening you could smell it and see it in their sneers --- I didn't know how right that gut feeling was or how bad it would be..........the disgusting old men could barely stand there with a straight face, it looked so painful but amusing for them...
...and for anyone that wonders why things never get better no matter what stuffed shirt is behind the podium in front of the seal ......... just see that they are ALL the same - the B&W, the Red and Blue, the 50/50...it's just more of the same food we've been stuffed with. I wouldn't be the person to start a revolution but I'd join it - "we the peons" have no money and they the all mighty & powerful have all the money - how ever will this change without one?
It stopped at 28:53 for me
Play it again and move forward.
This is a must see for all US Citizens. We must get educated to the truth so we stand up and save our democracy.
Anyone else annoyed the extremism around this topic? Certainly there is are some markets that should be free and some that are government regulated or government run. Would we really want privatized roads? All the main roads you use would be have the highest price. Then the only way to bring the price down would be to let competition turn the country into a sea of asphalt all going to the same places. Talk about inefficient allocation of capital. Would we really want to regulate what goes on the internet? It would be thought control and it would be terrible. I'm not reading another comment from an economic extremist.
In short I think the government should intervene economically when there are externalities, natural monopolies, cartels, asymmetric information, and price manipulation.
As for financial markets, there are huge externalities both ways when the financial markets are doing well most get richer when they go wrong everyone get poorer. Most regulation will affect the scale to which those markets affect the rest of us, both good and bad. However, if we had competent politicians we could have the government seize control of a dying firm and prevent the risk from spreading. While allowing the firm to slowly shut down so have time to take it's place. One thing we missed in the bailout was not punishing firms that would have failed. We need to maintain market discipline while preventing the damage from spreading. Its a hard but there is no excuse for republicans trying protect the failing companies from all punishment and for democrats being such idiots.
This is a good old, highly partisan, but very well put together and entertaining documentary based on an alternative view of economic history. Basically, not the "politics of fear" but the "economics of shock."
There were some points where I totally agreed, others where I was skeptical.
But overall, the whole concept of shock therapy is ridiculous to me...it never works. Why would you think implementing any radical social and economic engineering with such rapidity work? Radical change isn't inherently wrong or doomed to fail, it's only when you snap your fingers and try to change everything overnight that it ends tragically.
It never works? I believe that the people who are responsible for initiating these policies find that it works just fine. They, along with their cronies, get wealthier and wealthier at the expense of everyone else. It never works as a solution to all our economic woes which is what it's intent is, but it does work for the select few.
Ownership of the means of production by ordinary citizens.
Ownership of the means of production by a democratically elected government.
State ownership of the means of production in a dictatorship.
Ownership of the means of production by corporations.
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
~ Benito Mussolini
i think allot of you misinterpreted my comment i think that if we want to move forward we have to look at the whole scope of things, it all comes down to trust, we all know that every one has a price and that government aswell as corperations are corupt.
i think with the technology we have today that government could be run for the people by the people using a sort of wiki program were every citizen has a say in all areas of government if they choose too, and break free of this obserd two hourse race that's policies are 88% the same.
and as far as capitalism a free market is the best way to consolidate supply
with demand, its not the market thats the problem its the money that runs the whole thing.
money should be simply be a information system keeping track of your
position in the system ie (how much you have put in / how much you have taken out ) it should not be sought after on its own accord.
... Excepting that modern moneys and governments were created for the businessman, BY the businessman; and as such, serve no purpose without the businessman. A proper government stays home and takes care of it's people. And it does so FREE OF CHARGE. It doesn't go marauding all over the planet, acquiring resources to be sold to the highest bidder.
What I don't think most people understand is that we are locked into this mechanism we have created. The very keyboard I am typing on required the materials from at least four (if not twenty) different countries (e.g. plastic from Saudi Arabia; nickel from Russia; copper from India.; iron from Brazil). Most of which is extracted and processed by people making less than a few dollars a week; under governments who receive subsidies to produce goods for export, rather than produce food for their own people. Governments that WE set up. And we maintain a vast Military Industrial Complex to ensure that it all operates smoothly and efficiently, without any opposition.
We are willing to overlook the business involved because we like our toys. Or maybe we have just never been told what goes on behind the scenes. Or maybe we have learned something about the process; but write it off as some evil plot cooked up by greedy banksters, who want to own the entire planet (which is not entirely without merit).
Whatever the case, we have long-ago declared ourselves incapable of living without any of our modern conveniences. We now worship science and technology the same way we once worshiped Zeus and Apollo. You don't see anyone in any great rush to get back to nature. Even tribal elders in Zimbabwe carry cellphones nowadays.
No, there ain't no stopping this train!
What this doc states is true. But, I like to break things down to more easily digest them, rather then a 2 hr convuluted lecture. (Although that is what it takes as human behavior can seem complex... but it really is not. )
1) It is about OIL/Energy. Bottom line.
2) The way humans go about it is this Free Market Deregulation.
If you de-regulate... you get mafia style behavior. People on huge scale taking advantage of the weak to enrich themselves. It is not hard to understand.
This is why there needs to be some regulation to prevent this.
Nature regulates itself... it is called Gia. markets should not be allowed to be chaos and wild west. Simple when you think of it this way. At least that is how I have come to rationalize this whole mess.
this doc disgusts me. they don't talk about any "perfect" marxists systems like yugoslavia, or russia. where everyman's freedom was robbed. i can give a good account of yugoslavia since im from serbia. both my parents were beat and put in jail for simply going to church. my dad was expelled from school and then beat by the police for simply writing a paper on marxism, comparing it to fascism. and the economics in the 60's-70's probably looked good to everybody in the west, but in truth we were hanging to life by a shoestring. almost all our GDP came from families living in Western Europe and America. There was a period in the late 70's that Deutch Marks were the most abundent currency circulating in the country. there was so much government owned businesses that all the Dictator Tito could do is turn to the American's for help with freeing up most of the economy, thats why the Soviets began to stop being such close friends and the US moved in. My point is whatever direction you go will not solve our problems. I prefer free markets because no country deserves my money i sweat for, especially not to redistribute it while they are cashing in on other half-way illeagal ventures. Its the bearacracy we live in thats the real problem, istead of regulating businesses, why won't they fight for regulating the shit out of banks? why won't they regulate their own spending? our military should stricly be used for defense, not to conquer other nations since it gives no benifit to us, the citizens. health care should also never be forced upon us by the government, people need to wake up and realize the left isn't regulating the market for our benifit, it's regulating it to fill their pockets. since obama care, every citizen has to pay for everyone else's health care thats at best sub-par, no one in the world should have the power to make me give my money up for someone else, and then have me recieve something s***ty in return. people need to wake up and realize that the taxes we pay to the government isn't helping us, its in reality a donation we are handing the beauracrats who run this country to be able to play with. Our GDP alone can payback all our debts but everytime you turn liberal bulls*** media thats feeding the masses they tell you WE NEED TO RAISE TAXES TO SAVE OUR GOVERNMENT! WRONG!!!! THEY NEED TO STOP BLOWING THE MONEY THEY MAKE ON SHIT THAT DOESN'T BENIFIT IT'S PEOPLE. Its best explained by imagining if you made 10 dollars, and now you blow 10 dollars on something like cigarettes, but now your hungry, so you ask you parents, the ones who have supported you your whole life prior to adulthood, that your hungry and need 20 dollars to get something to eat, you then go buy cigarettes and some booze for 15 dollars, and only use 5 dollars to buy the food YOU NEED. just think about that and tell me you still support obama, or even the republicans. im telling you, we need someone like Ron Paul to change this whole system, and restore the constitutional values everyone came here to live in, thats the "american dream", not a little house on the prairie where big brother is gonna still read through all your emails, and take every extra bit of money you make.
lol the people who crusade the MOST about capitalism tend to live in capitalist countries are middle class and living comfortably.
thank you Naomi,Very good doc,honesty and truth.God bless you.
The rich get richer & the poor get poorer The rich get richer & the poor get poorer The rich get richer & the poor get poorer The rich get richer & the poor get poorer The rich get richer & the poor get poorer The rich get richer & the poor get poorer The rich get richer & the poor get poorer The rich get richer & the poor get poorer. Thats a free market for ya!
There is a delusion that violence solve problems. It's lucrative but it always achieves the opposite effect. Laws are opinions backed by guns. You might think minimum wage laws help the poor but in actual fact achieve the opposite. They make it impossible for some employers to be able to afford to hire employees. Which makes it difficult for people to get on the ladder and improve their own life.
What it really comes down to is should we use the initiation of violence or peaceful voluntary interactions to achieve our ends? What a buyer and seller (employer and employee) agree on is up to them not anyone else, is it not? You can't blame the free market for governments problems because the free market doesnt exist. Capitalism doesn't exist when there is a government screwing it up. And corporatism is not capitalism.
Taxation, laws, regulations, tariffs, subsidies, intervention, bank bailouts, inflation, fiat currency, federal reserve, are all problems of government and not capitalism.
The rich are getting richer because of government interference. In a free market you can only get rich by providing to others. Both profit if both get what they want. When you have a government granting some (e.g. monsanto) a monopoly and special privileges like subsidies it hinders competition and growth. In a free market all could compete.
The poor are getting poorer because of government interference. Want to start up a business? You're subjected to all kind of laws making it nearly impossible.
You are insane,visit Chile and you will see what neoliberalism does,a rich minority and a large class of poor people,abused in their workplaces.
If we didn't live in a democracy you might have a valid point. But we do and that means we elect the people that make the laws and have means by which to challenge them. It isn't a perfect system but we are far from the helpless victims you describe. We also enjoy the benefits of the taxes we pay every day, you are well defended and have more opportunity than any other country on the globe. And don't tell me that all the candidates are equal, run yourself. Stop sitting there in a democratic system, a free country, the most developed and spoiled natioin on the face of the globe complaining and playing the victim- do something about it. its called civil responsibility, and we used to possess more of it than any other nation on earth. It was what motivated George Washington and Abe Lincoln. Now everyone wants to complain and belly ache but never even get involved.
You present it as if we must remove all regulations and let them do as they please so a few more lower than minimum wage jobs can be created. Give them free reign and they will bring the whole system down, in case you haven't noticed. What good are those few lower than minimum wage jobs when the resturaunt has to close because no one can afford to buy their food? Sure some business men are honest and consider the long term and their employees well being. Some people would never rape a women as well, but we don't do away with the law do we.
I can see the sense in reducing the expectations on wages and so forth when a business has just opened or has suffered some huge set back. But if they don't get to the point they can meet the minimum requirements after a certain amount of time, they aren't going to make it anyway. The bottom line is that a unregulated free market is motivated by profit and profit only,therefore if you can imagine a senario where the profitable thing to do isn't good for the citizens or the overall economy then... well you get the point.
@Victor Gallardo im insane for opposing the initiation of violence? You say poor people abused in their workplaces as if im supporting that? No way! Im totally against violence i oppose it consistently.
@wald0 Democracy is not freedom. Is rape moral if there more men than women? Is taking a drivers car moral if 3 passengers vote on it? Is robbing a bank moral if there are more customers than workers?
I present that the initiation of force is immoral and that regulations are not consistent with the non-aggression principle. If that means free reign what's wrong with that? You would want free reign on who you want to marry right? What food you can eat? etc
In a free market profit can only be made by providing to others what they want. My local restaurant can only make profit by providing the food I want. Unless you're a thief like the government and steal it.
actually wald0, assuming you are in the USA, we live in a Constitutional Republic. Many of the founding fathers deplored democracy and recognized it for what it can easily become; 'the tyranny of the majority'
And if there were no laws to protect your business once it is started then any competing company could just burn you to the ground and walk away. De-regulation allows this now through monopolies and the power that their hard stolen profits will buy.
Very good. Everyone should see this. America is often a force of evil and oppression. It is hard to grasp. And we are right in the midst of a maelstrom at this moment-one that requires us to stand up and revolt or be totally subjugated in every way....
i know, before I've watched this documentary, that all this is either THE truth or as close as anyone is going to get. Only have to look at all the turmoil in largely middle eastern countries right now to see what the real agenda is.
I support the free market because I don't believe in violence to solve social problems. Laws and regulations are opinions backed by guns. Government is inherently evil, if you don't pay taxes you are kidnapped or shot. There is no choice. Capitalism is about choice and responsibility for your choices. War, fiat currency, Keynesian economics, etc are not capitalism, they are the initiation of violence against people and their property. Corporatism is not capitalism. In my opinion you'd be better off picking up an economics book rather than watch this (actually watch it to keep your mind open). I recommend Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt, Man, Economy and State by Murray Rothbard and Human Action by Ludwig Von Mises. All available for free @ mises.org or google them.
Nice try, Ron Paul!
nonsense,Friedman ideas have done a lot of damage to a lot of people,and USA is in decline because of his ideas.
What I said has nothing to do with friedman. Have a look into the non-aggression principle and austrian economics.
thats what im talking about. ppl who see this doc as "good" are blind sheep who vote george bush, then obama, and believe change will come... and how in the world is this doc trying to make the fight against bureaucracy sound like a bad thing. this dumb ass lady should try living in a communist country and then tell me how "good" that system is. even the socialist Scandinavian system is faulty, just by being a citizen in Sweden you give 46% of your income to the government... 46% OF YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY, oh sounds like like pure nirvana to. what a f*cking joke.
Recently we have all seen the people in some Middle Eastern & North African countries fight back against the corrupt, oppressive, unjust & immoral regimes that they are forced to live under, well maybe it is about time that we here in the West took the same stand against our own. Through the correct democratic process I hasten to add, I'm not saying that we should all take up arms & take it by force (not yet at least).
Sorry, I was reading the comments on this while thinking it was a different documentary! ha! I'll check this out.
It never fails to amaze me, the depths that some Human beings will stoop to in order to get whatever they want (usually money) at the expense of other Human beings & we are supposed to the most intelligent species on this planet, yeah right. We are more like the most selfish, intolerant & uncaring species on the planet & we never seem to learn from our mistakes.
Exactly why I support unregulated capitalism. The beginning of wisdom is seeing through to what words actually mean. Regulation is not some abstract thing. It's real. There is a real gun pointing at people. Laws are just opinions back by guns. If you don't do what the laws say you will be arrested or shot for resisting. If you were against the initiation of violence you'd support free market capitalism.
I fail to see your reasoning here. Regulation is obviously a good thing as long as the regulations are put in place to create a fair & just society for all. Unregulated capitalism just allows those with the most money to abuse those who do not have as much. The rich get richer & the poor get poorer, there is nothing fair & just about that is there? It's certainly not the kind of world that I want to live in or want my children to have to live in.
"Unregulated capitalism just allows those with the most money to abuse those who do not have as much."
What do you mean by "abuse" ?
I've never seen unregulated capitalism. Does it actually exist? The Bush administration imposed more regulations at a faster rate than any other administration before it. That is a fact that cannot be disputed. If you really think capitalism is unregulated, you should start your own business, hire some employees and then tell us how "unregulated" you feel.
She's not speaking of "Small Business" she's talking about the unregulated Capitalism of the Global Elite. Thinks me.
@Johny, so you think you can walk into a card game with $20 and bring down someone with a $million. I think you better stick to card games rather than economics. The guy with a million can afford to make a lot more mistakes than you with your $20. The market is no different when it becomes unregulated.
I won't even get into how the guy that brought his million to the table made his money. Unregulated free market capitalism is nothing more than a fairy tail. When someone in a free market gains enough money, they regulate the market to their gain. It's just a matter of who you want regulating it, a governing body or the guy with all the chips.
@Sam Adams , What do you mean by they regulate the market to their gain? please help me understand what they are doing that's immoral?
The only way in a free market someone can earn money is by providing to others, by providing what they want, by the buyer voluntarily given up his money for the product he is selling. It is not a fairytale if you believe in peace and apply the non-aggression principle consistently.
I do not advocate regulation because it is violence, telling someone what they can or cannot do with the money they earned or what they can't peacefully trade... or else they will be kidnapped and locked up or shot for resisting is violence.
Also, how will you fund this "regulatory body" aka government. Through voluntary donations or theft -taxation?
Jonny, please look up "naked short sales" and get back to me. I tried to post a link but I am not sure how long my comment will be stuck in moderation. After you read up on naked short sales and how they can be used to bankrupt companies (hence why it has been illegal since 2008 in the US) please get back to me and let me know if you would find it immoral for someone to employ that tactic on a business you owned for nothing more than their financial gain. That still sounding like a good free market? Would you like some more examples of immoral things that can be done without regulations? I got plenty of them...
@Sam Adams , I'd rather you tell me what you think is immoral about them please? I have plenty to read as it is.
Ok so if you want to talk about morality. Do you oppose the initiation of violence?
How did this conversation get turned into a discussion of regulation? Did you watch the video?
Yes Daniel, we did watch this doc. It is all about regulation versus no regulation, maybe you should watch it again. It is about how they used the shock of war, terrorism, natural disasters, etc. to implement Friedmen economics, which is unregulated capitalism. We were running on Keynesian economics, which is regulated capitalism along with social programs like medicare and social security. Under friedmen's plan all things are privatized and commercialized, even your kids education. Now if you want to ruin the education system just privatize it. Then you will get what you pay for and nothing more, which automatically gives the rich an unfair advantage in life because they would get the best of everything including education and healthcare. Give it another shot, I'm sure you just watched the wrong doc or something.
We have been running under Keynesian economics since the birth of the Fed, and still are. Inflation and bank bailouts and stimulus packages and fiat currency are all Keynesian not free market capitalism.
We're clearly being run by a group of lunatics. I'm sure if these evil monsters had to put their lives on the line, or be subjected to torture, in their grand plan for 'shock' tactics, they'd be tearing up the pages of their insane doctrine. They treat people like they are expendable objects, no respect for human life. Even if these ill gotten gains do ever lead to anything much, do we really want a world build from violence and aggression? What's to stop them repeating their mass murder and violence whenever they want any changes?
Very good watch.Thanks,Vlatko!I plan to share this with as many as I can.When the American people awake to how they have been betrayed,Heads will roll.Of course,It takes a crisis,unbearable pressure,a point of critical mass to rupture the complacancy and unleash the fury of the people.I was inspired by Naomi Klien's reporting and started playing my Rage Against the Machine CD(only have one. to be honest,they were'nt really that good)
There are exactly the same amount of facts out there that prove government regulated systems are just as detremental to society. learn from history's mistakes don't revert back to systems that were obviostly changed for a good reason.
I beleive a true free capitalist system with a true democratic system is the only way to go, give the people there own debt free money system and then maybe we can have real democracy, lincon knew it and so did jfk americas last semi real president.
We had that. It was called "the Great Depression". Those horrible government regulations you are talking about are called "the 40 hour work week", "child labor laws", "maternity leave", "workplace safety". Self interest is seldom enlightened.
It seems sad that the young are always having to re-discover whatever it was their parents worked so hard to achieve. I shake my head whenever I hear the youth being congratulated for their strength and determination. It is a sign of still more bloody battles to come.
Thank you Betty, what a great comment. My dad lived through the depression in the South Eastern US, a place most would say had already been in a depression long before the rest of the country. I heard all about the horrible conditions people worked in and, how they only made half a living and had to supplement that any way they could. My dad talks about having to eat whatever they could find, I won't go into details and gross anyone out.
How anyone could say that a profit motivated system could be compassionate or responsible is beyond me. History has shown us over and over what happens when you give wall street free reign, in fact it just got done reminding us again with the biggest ressession since the depression. Clinton came in and deregulated everything, which worked for a while- it created a huge bubble basically. Of course George continued down this same path of deregulation as well. And, as we have seen over and over, all bubbles must burst eventually and it did, of course its not this simple but in a way it is. Not only was it inevitable that any bubble must burst, it is also inevitable that if you give wall street enough rope they will find away to hang the noose around someone elses kneck. In other words they will find away to take great risks and have the consequences fall on someone else if they don't pan out.
The truth is that ninety percent of those that push for deregulation only do so because they think it is different, which is a lie. Deregulation is what got us here, but we let the corporations and Trump type creeps tell us that, "Oh, we were over regulated and could not operate, its the governments fault." That doesn't surprise me, what surprises me is so many are so st&*id they buy it.
The other ten percent are people like this guy i used to debate on this site that are so out there and uneducated about economics they suggest things like anarchy and deregulated capitolism going hand in hand, LOL! I mean thats really funny, no kind of economy could survive anarchy, there would be no rules no laws to make things predictable- how could anyone possibly run a business when there isn't even a national currency nor an apparatus to print the money, distribute the money, control the money supply, decide the value of each unit of currency, regulate the highways and shipping practices, keep up basic sanitation and direct things like air traffic, etc., etc. But, according to them, we would all self organize and agree and the world would run on charity and gum drops would fall from the sky on sundays, LOL!! Never mind that you can simply look at the countries in Africa or other places where anarchy did take hold or back over history when other places were lawless, yeah boy they live like kings. Any way this is going on to long, thank you for your input you seem an awfully intelligent and experienced person.
Yes..because Laissez Faire capitalism and direct democracy have worked so well when instituted by occupying forces. The scary thing is that it is actually being asked for by the population in America..as though there are not enough examples to show mob rule coupled with deregulation is more destructive than war itself.
@ Betty Eyer, Here, here! for such a great comment:)
I believe you are mistaken when referring to "direct democracy" being instituted by occupying forces. The aboriginal people of N. America largely (as diverse cultural groups go) had a direct "democratic" /council democracy system. To my knowledge Jefferson was greatly impressed by the non-hierachichal systems of the Cherokee, Choctaw, among others. Mob rule is part the american myth of the 'minority' protections written into the constitution: it specifically was instituted to protect landowning, wealthy white men from persecution (labour unrest, egalitarianism etc etc) by the "others" aka unwashed mob. Direct Democracy is the purest form of democracy and anything other than that is the rule of the plutocrats/oligarchs/technocrats/military-industrial complex.
Actually RZ, i am not at all mistaken. The reality of indigenous Americans is not the same as that which has been instituted in Chile, Argentina, the Falklands, Venezuela, Iraq..etc. What i refer to are the very events which Naomi Klein discussed in the book, "Shock Doctrine" : the military incursions and coups that were undertaken in effort to bring in direct democracy and laissez faire capitalism. Mob rule is not an American myth. It is a global reality..the mob that rules, of course, is NOT the mob that is the general populace. Commenting within the context of the posted video is appropriate.
Depending on what you read, the Native American culture prior to occupation, was socialist or democratic. Socialist in the sense of Potlach style of goods redistribution, and democratic in it's community decision making apparatus. For now, direct democracy, (the same holds true for capitalism in my opinion,) is an unacceptable option on a national level.
JFK would have died before he let unregulated capitalism take over. Of course both systems are never perfect and there are some negatives to either way you go, but regulated capitalism doesn't hold a candle to the horror of Friedmen economics. I would love to see the federal reserve go, Lincoln did implement that and print the green back. But, he never supported unregulated profit driven capitalism. Debt free money is great, but it also walks hand in hand with extremely high inflation. Do you trust congress to print the money and not print too much? Regardless, debt free money has nothing to do with regulating capitalism. These are two distinctly different issues.
Do you really think a system that cares for nothing but profit would care for you or your children? Would you like to see education privatized, which is commercialized? Would you like to leave it up to your employer whether you got maternity leave, or what you get paid for over-time, or how many hours they could make you work, or what minimum wage they had to pay, or how long they could work your child and at what age? These are the kinds of questions you should ask yourself before you jump on the deregulation wagon.
Look, I know it is instinctual to want change when things have been going so badly. And, I am sure you are an intelligent, compassionate person- I don't mean to insult you in any way. But think about this, is this the change you really want. If so, you are intitled to your opinion, I just want to make sure it is an informed opinion and not a knee jerk reaction to recent hard times.
I think a system that cares about making a profit would care for me and my children. My local restaurant wants to make a profit but it can only do that by caring for me by providing food that I want. The alternative is slavery. It's slavery because nothing is free. To get something for free you have to steal it. To steal it you have to enforce taxation. Taxation is theft because it's coerced from people. Taxation is not a choice because if you refuse you are kidnapped (arrested) or shot for resisting. Shot for protecting your property.
Well produced, I enjoyed this one.
This is exactly why I preach against unregulated capitalism, brilliant documentary. Of course those that support deregulation will say its all lies and propaganda, but history says different. The facts in this documentary can easily be checked, knock yourself out. In my opinion it shouldn't take anything more than common sense to know that unregulated capitalism is a monster, to know that we have an obligation to our fellow less fortunate citizens, and to understand we must take care of our elderly. These are the very things that have always separated the US from other countries, our principles and the fact that we stood behind them until the end. Not any more though- no, now we through our principles under the bus as soon as they are not convenient.
Freedom of religion- compromised to get rid of the Muslims, Freedom of speech- compromised under the guise of national security, right to privacy- compromised by the neo-con fear campaign, right to assembly- again compromised by the neo-con fear campaign, etc., etc. the list goes on and on. When will we stop it? When is enough enough? Must we wait until they have us in the same shape as the South American countries featured in this documentary? Stand up for regulation; stand up for your civil rights, stand up for the idea that people matter more than profit, just stand up!! Turn off two and a half men, turn off your cell phone, pry your eyes from the festering neon distraction they have created to keep you pacified and look at what’s happening all around you.
I agree with you on your principles statement there waldo, and by the looks of the future we are going to need a "Bigger Bus" real soon. lol As for the doc Naomi Klein is a regular master of the obvious but nothing significant or permanent will ever come out of Washington DC to curb any of the injustices everywhere since corporate apathy rules the world.
Corporations are anything but apathetic. Or were you referring to us?
I've always liked this Wald0 guy
Has anyone got another link to this doc ? We can't watch it here in the UK because it has been blocked by Channel 4 on copyright grounds. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help us out here.
Can you use an IP Anonymizer to get around the block? Google things about routing through certain countries to access blocked content if an IP anonymizer isn't helping you out.
Gary, I just posted a suggestion but it's awaiting moderation, I assume because it had a link in it. You'll find the doc at Channel 4's own website, for which there's no charge.
@ Vlatko, apologies if posting the link was wrong of me.
No, not at all @Earthwinger. Useful links are welcomed.
@ Earthwinger & @ Alex Puhl
Thanks to both of you for answering my cry for help. I must be losing my mind because it was only yesterday that I posted the direct link to the Channel 4 website for someone else to use & I have also got anchorfree/hotspot shield which I sometimes use to get around this problem. My only excuse is that it was 4am & my brain must have not been working to it's full capacity. Thanks again for your help though. Regards Gary V ?
lol. After all that I see that it was first shown on 1st Sep 2009 & I have already seen it, but never mind it's worth watching again. lol