Black Athena: The Fabrication of Ancient Greece
Examines the claims of Professor Martin Bernal who questions the assumption of the Europeans of our civilization placing instead the black Egyptians and Phoenicians at the center of the West's origins.
Black Athena examines Cornell Professor Martin Bernal's iconoclastic study of the African origins of Greek civilization and the explosive academic debate it provoked.
This film offers a balanced, scholarly introduction to the disputes surrounding multiculturalism, political correctness and Afrocentric curricula sweeping college campuses today.
In his book Black Athena, Prof. Bernal convincingly indicts 19th-century scholars for constructing a racist "cult of Greece" based upon a purely Aryan origin for Western culture. He accuses these classicists of suppressing the numerous connections between African and Near Eastern cultures and early Greek myth and art.
Leading classical scholars, on the other hand, contend that Bernal, like the 19th-century classicists he attacks, uses evidence selectively, uncritically and ahistorically to support his own Afrocentric agenda.
They argue that cultural diffusion alone can't account for the distinctive achievements of the Greeks during the Classical Period. Black Athena can help students begin to distinguish between sound scholarship and cultural bias - whether inherited from the past or imposed by the present.
Of course it’s an English man. Geez let the rest of the uncontroversial Europeans rest..
Indeed there isn't something like ancient Greece culture. One part of Greek population who live in the Greece state are placed there in the end of XIX century and the begining of XX century. And moreover the Greek language is an artificial language called "kionee" originated from bisantine church liturgy. Old Greek language was administrative, commercial, official language formed from an ancient population called pellasg. Language of which is spoke and speak today from albanian. So is explained why old Greek language is similarly with albanian language as greek language. All ancient Greek history is an invention. Please check and read from ROBERT D'ANGELY - ENIGMA"
Funny thing is 'Ancient Greeks shared knowledge back & forth with everyone an anyone 'they were not & aren't racists. Because someone thinking they are a better than another would not fit in with the philosophical way of life, its negative and stupid 'I don't think that the Greeks have ever been so small minded. They included all people into their own religion from Ethiopia, Egypt etc etc & that was throughout all time and they incorporated their God's with other peoples God's and also included themselves into other peoples religious beliefs or other peoples new religions which had been forming & included their own thoughts an beliefs in with the newly forming religion's ex; Buddhism & the Northern African God which was half Zeus and half of there African God "which I can't recall
the African half name atm.
If Greeks were waiting on their own small population alone to come up with all that they had, we'd still be in the dark ages these days maybe. It wasn't until we met the Indigenous Australians and after wards that the rest of the world had figured out the concept of how to fly & build an airplane 'which the Indigenous Aussie's had known that knowledge for thousands of years or at least as long as they had the hunting weapon named Boomerang! So I'm sure that everyone of the humans contributed to every aspect of human knowledge 'but we have such a long way to go before anyone of us wants to start bragging about where we humans are at, in these we should all be ashamed how pathetically the world is run and what we are doing to our planet, animals & each other! Why would any one of us be proud of what we've done or doing about it!!?
If you are NON WHITE and you don’t understand White Supremacy (Racism),what it is and how it works everything else that you understand will only confuse you. Neely Fuller Jr
Bernal himself admitted that his book should have been called [North} African Athena as he did not believe that North Africans were black (they weren't).
Later historians could not bring themselves to admit that, for once, the Black man was the colonizer, conqueror, educator and master. His subjects were none other than the Greeks. His legacy is even a physical one, as modern Greeks continue to possess high levels of Black African DNA. The truth is in front of the deniers. Live with it.
Everyone knows that greeks are fake as hell.......like hell-ass!
Greeks are only nation in the world who denied minorities in their "own" country. There is "only greeks in ellada, no other nationality" - yeah right!
Their stollen history is fundament for greeks neo-nazzi believes - "there be only one nation,greek"...
Greeks have problems with EVERYONE in the whole world! Why? Because that stolen valor and history is clashes with every other nation facts!!!
It's really interesting WHY the whole world continues with their silence about greek stolen history?!
There is one word to describe the views of most of the comments "Eurocentric-ignorance" (yes, I made it up). Whenever Africans are presented as more than a "subordinate race" or "slaves" the validity of the information is questioned. Why is that so? Let me say this there are lots to learn about the history of African cultures and the achievements of black people; however western ideologies will not teach or promote the magnificence of the black race. Some of you profess to know what the history is, how can you ? At the height of African civilizations where they had universities, Europeans were living in caves, thinking the earth was flat and as a mostly uneducated, uncultured people. Africans created most of what is considered "Greek" or "Roman" such as democracy which still exists today in the form of village elders in parts of Africa. Astronomy, mathematics, science, art and religion were all created by Africans. Do your research! But as saying goes "ignorance is bliss" the choice is yours.
Sorry, there is no thing called african culture in the universe. Nor, for that matter, something called arabic, or islamic, civilization.
if you doubt the egyptians were original africans read egyptologists books. E.A. wallis budge, gerald massey and martin bernal...and then after reading books by people were in egypt before all the tourists....ask yourself why does the american system lie about the origin of the egyptians why do they consistently portray egyptians as white or semetic? read first..study first they reply.. don't let your contempt for african americans guide your ideas of history.. the real question is why did the educational system of american intentionally take africa out of the history of civilization when civilization originated in africa. plato waited for 13 years to be accepted in the egyptian school of mysteries. they taught you that pythagoros originated the pythagoran therom.. pythagarus also studied in egypt and came back with tha pythagoran therom but there are no pyramids in greece.. to build all those triangle(pyramids).the egyptians knew the pythagaran therom in 3400 bc long before pythagaras was born... wake up and ask yourself why were we lied to...
It's all been fabricated to FIT the white agenda!!! If you are a historian, you'll see in PLAIN VIEW how that europeans ENVADED a GREAT Many continents, nearly WHIPPING OUT it Native Population!!!
Take America for Example!
The Native Indian Numbered in the MILLIONS!!!
Look at them now!!!
The latest Census Figures only number them in the few thousands!!!
The same for The Aborigines, they were NEARLY Whipped out as well!!!
So, then!!!
Accept it or NO, The Original Inhabitants of Greese were Black!!!
So just accept it!!!
Mesopotamia`culture,Ancient Egypt,Phoenician cultures has nothing with "black" and "white" it has Semitic roots and these roots are denied (where possible) by Western hystorians.The cocky "Black Athena" evolved the false hopes of the black racists and prevented the seriouse attention of the Western humanitarian science strongly infected with supremacism.
Hi,
I COMPLETLY AGREE WITH Pr Bernal. The greeks civilization is fake and a myth. You also can read the french researcher who investigates and has done research on this subject. His conclusions are the same as Pr Bernal
Dr NAS BOUTAMINNA
Book: Le Rétablisme
This documentary sucks! The majority interviewed is against the theory of Bernal, leading to this 'white supremacy' mindset. It is not objective at all. I don't understand why black people are underestimated. Even when the evidence is clear whites are still trying to come up with some other explanation (being mixed, not black skinned etc.) So sad.
A hundred years from now white Americans will claim that they are the native people of the USA and evidence will be destroyed or misinterpreted.
Only the Great Almighty will be able to end this foolishness.
No such thing as magic
Guys, we may say a lot of things out of reality, but the truth is only one! We Greeks wrote about everything! Greeks are from the beginning of time white! We have texts, we have draws, we have sculptures! There is no doupt about it! We can't change the facts!
But, why the skin colour is important? You know smt? It's not! Every nation has their colour, their language, their "everything"!
We talk a lot about Greeks because we all know what they have done! The art, science, philosophy are more-less everything that human ever ctreated and every single one of them created in Greece thousand years ago.
Everyone on this planet knows that and it's a lie to tell smt else! This is human history!
Do this, an expiriment! try to say smt in your language about science or ideas, without using any greek word! You just can't! Try to talk about maths! Try talk about ideas! Try smt about athletism. Try talk about art, about politics, about life, about death! YOU JUST CAN'T!
So, stop lying to yourselves, just see the facts, see the truth!
Come a visit to Greece, go to Parthenon, go to any place in Greece. See the sky, see the earth, try to be Greek for a while. It's hard, I know, to understant what means to be a Greek. It's dificult even for us, the Greeks, some times to be Greeks!
Because our legacy is to havy... We must to do some things! We have parents, grandfathers, and their grandfathers and their grandfathers etc. and everyone of them has expectations and you just can;t fail them! They gave their lives for us! They created a better world for us. Even Socrates, even Heracles, even my grandfather in the world war 2. All Greeks were heroes in the past. Can we be loosers?
That;s why you can';t understand us and you can;t understant the history. For you, history is stuffs from the past written in some boring books, but for us, the dead are still alive, the past is now, the past is tomorrow and history is our people mind! All Greeks have that in their hearts. Because is who we are.
Anyone who has ever taken an entry level Egyptian studies class knows that the original dynasties of Egyptian Pharoahs are African/Black. There is no debate about it. Check out a text book at your local college.
People always like to claim others achievements to fuel their own egos, lets get some things straight. Egyptians weren't black and never have been, they have always been a brown skinned mixed people who completely separated themselves from the black skinned nubians south of egypt, and in fact at various times made them their slaves. Greeks have always had macedonia as the northern provinve, even to this day, then a country above greece decides to also call themselves macedonia and thats where all the problems started. Alexander the great was born in Pela in greece, his father was phillip from middle greece (never has been disputed that it was always greek), so was his mother, ethnically he was a greek. secondly, macedonia was a state of greece like sparta, they were greek but did their own thing and were sightly autonomous, but always were greek. There is also evidence in pela that ancient greek was the language round the time of Alexander the great. thus he uses the language and his parents are from there, and he lives in greece, then its greek. Macedonia the country as we have it today has been invaded by the ottomon empire which then changed borders, and then yugoslavias demise changed borders also. Also, just as turkey is next to greece, greeks arent turks, just as macedonia (the country) is next to greece, they are not greeks either, they are slavic with a slavic ancestroy. we know this because thousands of years ago slavs were an ethnicity of people that didnt exist in that area (greece's empire spread over bulgaria and into turkey), the world has gotten much more diverse over time and new ethnicities of people have come about with different languages etc. Therefore it must be made clear that macedonia was a poor choice of naming and it has truly nothing to do with ancient greece, where the slavic language and culture was not involved because it didnt exist. This is a response to a commenter who simply has no concept of history and has some kind of bias opposition to facts that greece was once awesome and alexander doesnt know macedonians culture or language like he doesnt a serbian or croation.
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I can't help feeling nihilistic at the incredulous nature of simplistic self-worth rhetoric that fuels pathetic ego-centric agendas and perpetuates the all too human condition of tribalism. I see the cultural and social dimensions of communities/civilisations that throughout eons of conformity and bondage to tradition, superstition, myth and dogma - occasionally manifest brief periods of enlightenment. The birth of a genius or two who bring forth ideas and concepts which profoundly alters the neural schematics that we call intelligence and cognition. Just like the random nature of the universe, such avitars are not confined to one race, time or place, but seem like devine gifts that steer humanity on it's evolutionary development. This folks, is the point - whoever these guys are - they are not YOU! Elaborate - it's not your skin colour, it's not your homeland, it's a handful of inspired individuals that govern the destiny of our species as the catalysts of change. Get over yourselves, you are insignificant and despite your qualifications and proclaimed wisdom, nobody cares, they are too absorbed in their own fantasies. In summary, Greeks did this, Africans did that. blah blah blah, actually they didn't do f--k all, a dozen or so individuals made break throughs and I would hazard a guess, that such people would not indulge in the drivel portrayed in this discussion, they were too busy seeking answers!
What the greeks fail to acknowledge is that there is no such thing as a slavic ethnicity. The term 'slav' is a linguistic term, just as Latin is. You cannot be a slav by blood. There is no one on Earth who is an ethnic slav. If their dubious claim were true, that would mean that all these 'slavs' of Europe would be related, and they would basically own Europe. The Macedonians' language belongs to the slavic family of languages, and their ethnicity has always been and always will be Macedonian.
The truth is that a 'greek' nation never existed prior to the 1820's. They are nowhere to be found in historical records prior to this time. The language that they use today is based on a common language used for trade amongst other things, that language being Koine. This language had to be resurrected back in the days of forming a new nation (see Fallmerayer). There was a huge possibility that the official language of this new nation would be Albanian, as Athens back then was nothing more than an Albanian village. If you do some research you will find that many of the 'greek heroes' did not communicate in 'greek', but Albanian.
Their history is fabricated at the expense of other peoples, namely the Macedonians, Vlachs, Albanians, Turks. These are the real ethnicities that make up the population of today's 'pure greeks'. If you dig under the surface, you will find a 'pure greek' doesn't exist and never has. There were no such people prior to the 1820's.
Egyptians started much fabulous knowledge that was brought forth I believe through Hermetic philosophy to the Greek world where it combined with Greek's own fine thought. Sumerians contributed much of it too.
But Egyptians are different from Nubians and very different from the Bantus who went to America. Each group has its own strengths and weaknesses and you should not hate others since you then only deserve the same back on you. Bantus are now taking misplaced revenge on whites. Whites invented the idea of slavery being wrong, but it still exists in black Africa and Araby, and it was the Blacks and Arabs who captured and sold black slaves to whites. Whites never captured any, and Moslems from North Africa took many Europeans into slavery during the 600s-1700s when the Saracens were raiding Europe.
The story of Europe is a huge work of fiction, much like U.S. His-story. The only thing Europeans are good for, is lying, cheating, and murder, on an epic scale, the tarres of scripture.
The teachings of the Egyptian Mysteries reached other lands centuries before it reached
Athens.
A self-esteem project disguised as history. The dearth of black intellectual achievement relative to other races obviously hurts black pride. Let's lie about history to rectify the situation shall we?