Occupation 101: Voices of the Silenced Majority
The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance... it is the illusion of knowledge. A thought-provoking and powerful documentary film on the current and historical root causes of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Unlike any other film ever produced on the conflict - Occupation 101 presents a comprehensive analysis of the facts and hidden truths surrounding the never ending controversy and dispels many of its long-perceived myths and misconceptions.
The film also details life under Israeli military rule, the role of the United States in the conflict, and the major obstacles that stand in the way of a lasting and viable peace. The roots of the conflict are explained through first-hand on-the-ground experiences from leading Middle East scholars, peace activists, journalists, religious leaders and humanitarian workers whose voices have too often been suppressed in American media outlets.
The film covers a wide range of topics - which include - the first wave of Jewish immigration from Europe in the 1880's, the 1920 tensions, the 1948 war, the 1967 war, the first Intifada of 1987, the Oslo Peace Process, Settlement expansion, the role of the United States Government, the second Intifada of 2000, the separation barrier and the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, as well as many heart wrenching testimonials from victims of this tragedy.
I don't support Iranian government and that bloody Saudi government's poppet of US, both were originally paid, placed and controlled by the US government. This is another twisted lies designed to brainwash and creates lies by US government and its popped media. Shame on you frontline. you pretend to be honest but cunningly and intentionally covered up the truth and tried to erase the fact that khomani and shah were both placed by the US government. Iran had a democratic Iranian Government (Dr Mossadegh) who rightly nationalized Oil and based on that, US and UK prime minister Winston Churchill and the Eisenhower administration decided to overthrow Iran's government. Shame on you again and that bloody report.
Very sad situation.
For Gods sake.
Will someone put ALL the facts together, and make a serious documentary, all I have seen until now, is a promotion of the ideology and view of one side or the other.
This film once more gives a view of half the story.
Rabbi Isroel Dovid Weiss say Zionism has created "rivers of blood and is an ideology that takes God out of the equation of Judaism and replaces it with Israeli nationalism which is contrary to God's law.
I can't imagine what will happen to Israel over time. The best solution is for it to become a secular, integrated state sharing power with the Palestinians (abandon Zionism). That doesn't seem likely given the direction the Middle East is taking, but miracles do happen. It wouldn't take much to get Palestinian leaders to agree. t can't envision a two-state solution under these circumstances. In any case the situation now is intolerable and cannot last. I hate to think of the worst case scenarios.
I look at other places in the world: The Congo, Myanmar, North Korea, the Baltics- the list goes on and on. The dehumanizer is also dehumanized. There has to come a day when brutality must be abandoned, if for no other reason than the incapability of the oppressor to continue doing evil despite his own self-disgust.
I agree. Unfortunately Palestinian leaders have turned their backs on their own people, and get rich from succumbing to the siege of the Zionist organization while Palestinians in the streets suffer from it every. day.
The Israelis share a common arrogance with Americans due to greed,money and power. This, however, is changing little by little as the Americans grow more isolated from the rest of the world. I know that great number of us here in Canada view the American policies as pigheaded and we view most Americans as undereducated and self-serving. Not to mention an almost extremist level of patriotism.
There are many Americans and a growing number of Israelis who are beginning to realize that they have been fooled by a powerful propaganda machine run by Zionists in both Israel and the US.
One shouldn't speculate on suicide bombers until they have lived in a repressed state,it may seem brutal in their delivery but so are conventional weaponry. Violence is never the correct answer but when you corner someone their only option is to fight for their life.
Until paranoid leaders such as Netanyahu stop bullying the desperate Palestinians this conflict will never end.
Zionists & Jesuits, or rather it really should be the other way around. Undereducated, patriot extreme American here, we are not loyal to the current GOV, we hold dear the what we have always believed America stood for and the principles we have been taught our country was founded upon. We want our country back and if it never was the country we thought it was, we want it to become like the one we were told it was.
I don't want to be supporting the slaughtering of innocent people, understand I am uneducated and all but the US is only the tool of these people, the people truly responsible for this are not Americans, they call themselves Citizens of the World, loyal to none but themselves. Our military is waking up to the fact they have been played, they are not fighting for our freedom, they are fighting for the GREED of the super rich psychopaths who want to enslave the PLANET.
Unfortunately we are in the digital age, the TV, internet, endless entertainment combined with the propaganda and the need to work multiple jobs for many to make it every month have all too many Americans hopeless to reach and this is no accident, is is going to take worldwide participation to stop what is coming but don't think this is some problem that's origin lies in the US, you could wipe every American off the face of this planet and w/in a couple of years you would find, the same problems under a different Country being used as the tool too carry it out.
At least 1/2 the people on this planet (my estimate) are unwilling to fight for anyone outside their circle of loved ones and those people aren't worth saving, the world would be better off without them anyway and sadly, yes, a large portion of them most likely are American.
I really don't think it will be long before the US is under Martial Law and once that happens the chances of Americans being able to help in any sort of resistance I don't think will be possible. You do not want your children to have to grow up and be slaves on the NWO, I would rather die first.
Many people misunderstand that while remedial or basic education is functioning fairly well in the U.S. the level of any sort of unbiased understanding of international relations is quite low. At the same time poverty is much higher than people think, and indebted poverty is the norm. Life in the U.S. is pretty challenging for most people. That this comes out as arrogance is no surprise. Such is the price of being a citizen of the empire. However, it seems to me that greed, money, and power are common denominators in this world- no one has a monopoly.
I think this documentary is trying to point out that Israel is engage in the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. One conservative Israeli government after another wants to push the Palestinians out. Where would they have them go? It's literally stealing your neighbor's home and telling them to get lost; that they no longer live here.
I agree. It’s crazy to be reading this in 2021 especially with recent events. Still praying for peace among both peoples in Israel and Palestine, and full liberation of the Palestinian people.
If this is not Arab anti-Semitic propaganda, I don't know what is. Just listen to what they are saying, is it "Jews and Arabs" or "Israeli and Palestinian"? No, it is "Palestinian and Jews". Nation and Race. They put the face of a child on the cover and everyone is eating this shit thinking it is candy, if they knew what they ate they would spit it out.
The beginning of the film are actually placing Gandhi together with suicide-bombers. I don't think Gandhi would like that. They are very eager to show dead Arab children, then some quick lies about what happened, no documentation, it is children getting shot without reason, and when they mention the stone throwing then more lies about the children doing this without any clear reason. Why do the children throw rocks?
Because the adults do. They go to the mosque and get served Muslim violence racist pseudo-religious propaganda from the imam, then out to throw stones on the blood-thirsty devil-Jews. The children at home are watching "Mickey Mouse" (Hamas Muslim propaganda) on the TV talking more about Jews that need to be stoned. So what do the children do? They go throw stones at *heavily armed soldiers* (I would try to stop children doing things like that if I were their parents and I would turn off the sick show on the TV and tell the children to be nice.
I would even stop other children from doing that, saying stop that, you can get hurt) together with the adults. This is everyday work for those soldiers, they respond with tear-gas to try break up those very peaceful demonstrations. Now the demonstrators got tear-gas grenades to throw back. If they get some serious weaponry from Iran->Hezbollah->Hamas->Population. They sure as hell don't try raise an army, but go shoot at Jews pronto. Bringing children with them is common strategy, then if it gets serious enough, someone will get hurt. And if it is children, then photo and film it and show it to the world, what this blood-thirsty race did to them. I'm sure they are not not nearly as eager to show movie clips of rabbis picking up shattered human remains after the coward suicide-bombers are easily persuaded into meeting loads of virgins in paradise. Very brief they mention the human casualties, but just because there's 4000 Arabs and 1000 Jews, but no more talk of that, to not get into the fact that 1000 people have been murdered by Arabs. No words of [Iranian] rockets getting more and more advanced striking Israeli territory randomly and certainly not rarely. They actually have to build a missile defense system there. Jews in Palestinian territory have to drive in armored vehicles escorted by soldiers or else certainly getting into trouble. Arabs in Israel on the other hand don't get a mob of people stoning them, in fact they are not mentioned at all, even if they are 20% (officially) and breeding like rabbits. Jews in Palestine are also minority, but certainly not welcome.
There's no peace, Arabs don't want peace, they read their holy book and it talk about how they need to erase all Jews from the world, mixed with what they think are facts read from the 'Learned Elders of Zion' So those in Palestine have build their own jail by this, since it's clearly not safe to have them free. If they had the weapons, I'm sure they would not defend the west-bank or Gaza, but run into Israel to kill every last one Jew in a second holocaust. This is their religion. The Jews just want to live in Israel and have a homeland after being pacifists for 2000 years after they got ethnically cleansed in Israel and ended up in Europe and Russia, then more extermination for the next two millennium. But when they returned to their homeland and fought for it, things quickly improved. I have to finish, just some quick comments that probably could be improved. to get the story a bit more balanced, where I talked for the Jewish side, since they had nothing to say. I don't support killing children, war-crimes or illegal occupation.
There's no point talking about the Zionism, it is the present day that matters. I'd like to see a documentary that is objective, balanced and neutral of this conflict, telling both stories, but I doubt there are any. And most of all I would like hearing someone talking about humans as in those living there. No doubt there's bad people on both sides, and bad people with guns are usually worse.
Now I have to run for the bus in occupied Norway, where I am as a white man, native Norse, will be sitting in that bus surrounded by Arabs, not bothering to learn my language, or have friends that are not Muslim. Or wait, did I say that? It's not allowed to talk about my ethnic group, even if the Muslims have gone public saying they want to replace it with more Muslims, the tactic is breeding children 4-5 for each 1 Norse, get in majority and demand sharia-law. They want to occupy my country, my religion and my culture. But anyone being concerned by this in Europe is quickly labeled islamophobic and racists extreme-right wing, even if they simply tell the truth. Welcome to the world, and have a nice day.
Whew! You sure ain't helping your cause any!
Step One: Create a problem or conflict
Step Two: Publicize the problem and create opposition to it
Step Three: Offer a solution
How did the powerful gain power over the rest of us? In a time when the power and freedom of the average American is being eroded at terrific speed, many of us wonder how this could be happening." In The Culture of Critique and other writings I have developed the view that Jews and the organized Jewish community were a critical necessary condition for the rise of multiculturalism in the West" -The Occidental Observer.
Learn more about The Hegelian Principle as well.
If the people of Isreal are so darn advanced and Intelligent. Here is a thought build an Island and move there. Dubai did it so can you. Free the Palestine!
What about American occupants? Shouldn't they build an island too and get out of native American land? There's actually quite a lot of people living in a country where they came in and did just like Israel done, just far worse, and they even had their own country.
Thanks for the film; for all of my life I have been a strong supporter of the right of Israel to exist, but cannot support the oppressive manner in which it is brutalizing the Palestinians. As a Canadian, I am ashamed that our government chose to not support the Palestinian resolution at the UN. I have not seen any of our North American media indicate good reasons why the US and Canada should not support the resolution, other than Israel did not support it. I am afraid that is not good enough. At the very least, I am now of the view that Israel should be investigated for alleged war crimes against the Palestinians and if the evidence is there, it should be held accountable.
The "break the bone strategy" scene disgusts me to no end
God watches the Israeli people and weeps.
The hired ethnic hitmen and Zionist attack dogs continue the disinformation campaign across message boards, discussion forums, blogs, and social media, the virtual equivalent of the Mossad international death squads, who violate diplomatic protocols, steal passports, trespass sovereign countries, all in order to carry out extrajudicial assassinations against their enemies- which, at this stage, consist of most of the civilised world. Gentiles are only of instrumental importance to the Zionists, for whom lying, cheating, stealing, and killing form part of their code of "ethics".
The reason why I'm wastin time responding to whoever or whatever is calling himself objectiveWesterner is for the sake of a truly objective observer who happens upon these comments
Ethnic cleansing. Almost all the Jews, about 850,000 were forced
out of Arab countries. The arabs living in Israel were given full
Israeli citizinship. But the so called palestinians in Arab host countries
in Lebanon, Jordan were subject to apartheid, not by Israel but by their arab host countries. The Palestine refugee camps were built by
Arabs. In 1970 Jordan expelled many of these so called palestinians
and many were ethnically cleansed into Gaza.
If Israel wanted to level Cairo they would have done so on the first day of the six day war, why would they wait till the fourth?
Below are the cites of american investigations of the Liberty incident.
Navy Court of Inquiry June 10-18, 1967 The attack was a case of mistaken identity. Calm conditions and slow ship speed may have made American flag difficult to identify. No indication the attack was intended against U.S. ship.
CIA Report June 13, 1967 The attack was not made in malice and was a mistake.
Joint Chiefs of Staff Fact Finding Team (Russ Report) June 9-20, 1967 Outlined "findings of fact," bud did not make any findings about the actual attack.
Clifford Report July 18, 1967 No premeditation, but "inexcusable failures" by Israeli forces constituing "gross negligence."
Senate Committee on Foreign Relations 1967 Secretary of Defense McNamara testified he supported conclusion that the attack was not intentional.
Senate Armed Services Committee Feb. 1, 1968 No conclusion. Secretary McNamara makes comparison of attack on Liberty to that on Pueblo with regard to uncertainty about what was happening at the time of the incident.
House Appropriations Committee April-May 1968 Navy communications "foulup" and no conclusion regarding Israeli actions. Much of report remains classified.
House Armed Services Committee May 10, 1971 Critical of Navy communications, no conclusion regarding Israeli actions.
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979 Responding to critical book by Liberty crewman James Ennes, Senate investigation found no merit to his claim attack was intentional.
National Security Agency 1981 Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian ship as a result of miscalculations and egregious errors.
House Armed Services Committee June 1991 Responding to request from Liberty Veterans Association, Subcommitte on Investigations launched probe that concluded there was no evidence to support allegations made by the Association and no reason for further investigation.
Conclusion. There might have been negligence on both sides but
no deliberate attack. It was during a war.
Anyone with half a brain would realize that a deliberate attack by Israel
makes no sense except to a lunatic
There is a tsunamni of lies emanating from Islamofascists and their agents.
I don't know if the so called objectivWeaterner is one of their agants or merely a ranting lunatic.
All facts above can be verified on the web by anyone who is legitimately searching for the truth
The documentary "Occupation 101" smacks of propaganda in the title. Thanks for the sane post. There are a myriad of other points which give contextual information to the complexities of the conflict, and it's very frustrating to have them fall on deaf ears by those whose minds are made up despite only hearing the Arabist victimhood position.
This conflict boils down to a holy war against the most obvious target of dhimmi peoples in the region: the Jews, and will only end by the annihilation of Israel.
The deflection onto other supposed causes and solutions without facing this ugly fact head-on makes the Western liberal support of the "Palestinians" a tragic comedy of utter hypocrisy, exacerbating and obfuscating the issues, and causing needless harm to all involved, Israelis and everyone else in the region.
True humanitarians would be honest and attempt to look at all sides. What I hear in casual conversations is that far too many who have no experience of the region choose to take only one biased narrative, and a false one at that.
I feel the need to start a deprogramming school for the brainwashed. Proper learning would allow many otherwise well-meaning people to recognize how badly misled they are.
What helps I find, at least to get them thinking, is not to focus on Israeli defensive actions but more to help to educate them on the PA/Hamas' xenophobic policies and actions. But it's a long thankless road. It does take a while and some focused work for anyone to truly get a handle on the Middle East, especially to educate people who have never spent time there.
They're way over on the subjective side
When Putin was elected as President of Russia in 2000, Russia was bankrupt. The nation owed $16.6 billion to the Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist Rothschild-run International Monetary Fund while its foreign debt to the Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist Rothschild-controlled Paris & London Club Of Creditors was over 36 billion dollars.
But Putin took advantage of the current boom in world oil prices by redirecting a portion of the profits of Russia’s largest oil producer Gazprom so as to pay off the country’s debt. The continual surge in oil prices greatly accelerated Russia’s capacity to restore financial sovereignty. By 2006 Putin had paid off Russia’s debt to the Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist Rothschilds. Russia’s financial dependence on the Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist financiers was now over.
Rothchild's agent Mikhail Khordorkovsky, a Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist, gained his fortune along with many other Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist oligarchs, by exploiting the Yeltsin era’s privatizations. With the backing of Jacob Rothschild, Khordorkovsky started the bank Menatep Banking Group just prior to the fall of Soviet Union in 1990. The Menatep Banking Group was associated with the Rothschild-Soros Carlyle Group.
In 1995, Khordorkovsky bought Yukos Oil for $350 million. He became one of the world’s richest men with a personal worth of at least $1 billion. In October of 2003 Khordorkovsky was arrested for embezzlement.
As most wealthy Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionists who use their financial power to subvert their host nation, Khordorkovsky set himself up as a critic of Putin’s efforts to unite Russia politically and culturally. Khordorkovsky spent millions of dollars to overthrow Putin by funding “democratic reforming parties” by which Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionists take control of their host nation.
In February of 2004, right after Khordorkovsky’s arrest, Khordorkovsky’s Menatep Bank was revealed to be operating out of the Isle of Man, a UK offshore tax haven. At this time, Menatep offered Yukos shares to Putin in exchange for Khordorkovsky’s freedom. But Putin did not need to wheel & deal with the Jewish financiers. Putin simply nationalized Yukos Oil shortly after the Menatep offer.
The British press reported that Khordorkovsky’s shares in Yukos Oil were passed to Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist Jacob Rothschild just prior to Khordorkovsky’s arrest.
But Menatep denied that Jacob Rothschild had any power in the Group. Their statement declared that Jacob Rothschild had close links with Menatep only through the Open Russia Foundation whose trustee membership included Henry Kissinger. But Menatep failed to mention that the Open Russia Foundation was founded by Yukos Oil.
There is no man feared more by Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionists than Russian President Vladimir Putin.And while the Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist West and its lackeys at the Saudi-led Gulf Cooperation Council would have us believe that armed jihadists in Syria who are murdering innocent native civilians are “lovers of democracy,” Putin remains unshaken in his defense of International law.
Now, with three Russian warships recently docked in Syria’s port of Tartus, Putin’s actions speak louder than his words. And Talmudic Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist, Senator Joseph Lieberman, who is the first senator to call for a No Fly Zone over Syria and for arming the Syrian opposition—which in reality is made up of Islamic fundamentalists and foreign mercenaries—has gotten Putin’s message.
Liberman said “We’re not going to stand by and allow this Assad to slaughter his people like his father did. He’s going to run the risk of having the world community come in and impose a No Fly Zone. And in doing so, we’re being consistent with our American values.”
Liberman's “American values” have already underpinned the massacre of scores of Libyan civilians and the decimation of a once orderly and contented Libyan civilian infrastructure. And now Liberman wants to do the same in Syria as well.
Because Bashar al-Assad has intensified Syria’s policy of resisting Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist imperialism ever since taking over the reins from his father, Hafez al-Assad, in 2000, International Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionists and their shill, the USA, pursuing its habitual violent program of regime change this time in Syria in order to install a pro-Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist dictatorship in Damascus. Since then, Assad has grown the economy at a healthy rate of 5% a year. Since then, Syria is debt free and will not allow any Rothschild Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar banks. And you’ll be hard pressed to find any McDonald’s or Pizza Huts in Syria…it’s forbidden territory for internationalist Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist-funded corporations.
And since then, due to Assad’s independent, self-directed, economic development – a program shared by all US regime change targets – the Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist globalist bankers and their corporate pawns are being thwarted from privatizing and politically Zionizing the industries and government of the sovereign nation of Syria.
The Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist influenced US State Department put forward this very same Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist banker’s agenda when it stated that “Syria refuses to join an increasingly interconnected global economy.”
The Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, of course a Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist, Jeffrey Feltman, highlighted Jewish Finance Capital’s plan for “democracy” in Syria — (READ: The “humanitarian” BOMBING of Syrian civilians) — in his recent testimony before the Zionist-led Senate Committee on Foreign Relations said “Bashar al-Assad is destroying Syria and destabilizing the region. An orderly democratic transition that removes Assad from power and restores stability is clearly in the United States’ interests. It will support our goals of promoting democracy and human rights.”
It’s the same old LIE: The Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist West is framing the conflict in Syria as one between the “lovers of democracy” led by the Free Syrian Army and a murderous tyrant…so very, very far from the facts on the ground as Russia and the Syrian government have been contesting all along.
This has been verified by the Observer Mission recently sent to Syria by the Arab League which stated in paragraph 75 of its suppressed Report “There have been incidents that include the bombing of buildings, trains carrying fuel, vehicles carrying diesel oil and explosions targeting the police, members of the media and fuel pipelines. Some of those attacks have been carried out by the Free Syrian Army and some by other armed opposition groups,”.
While the Illuminati Ashkenazi Khazar Zionist Master Plan for a Greater Israel extending from Tel Aviv to Tehran – from the Nile to the Euphrates – by fragmenting Israel’s bordering nations into competing militias and warlords, Vladimir Putin remains firm and uncompromising.
You can hear it all the way from Moscow to Tel Aviv:
A clear and resounding “Nyet” flaming forth from Vladimir Putin, the world’s foremost and only defender against Zionism’s warmongering, world-destroying, ugly designs!
Why does this site seem to produce one sided completly distorted documentaries about how Israel allegedly oppresses the so called Palestinian
people, the only nationality whose basis of existence is the extermination
of another people and who have gained acceptability though terror and
murder with the help of oil money, Islamic propaganda, and Leftist antisemites who pretend to be human rights adovcates.
This propsaganda garbage is so full of distortions it's impossible
to rebut without at least thirty pages.
what bothers me the most is why this site doesn't present documentaries
about the Israeli victims of palestinian terror? If there is one I missed here
I'd like to know about it. If not then why is this site so biasly selective?
Obviously you didn't bother watching the documentary, or more likely, you are too stupid to realise that every UN resolution since the sixties has affirmed the right of Palestinians to their land or that international law recognises the right of each nation to self-defence. Did you miss the part that the US has abused its power to veto 40 UN resolutions against the Zionist state. Clearly a dumb, blinded, close-minded, vicious, poison-spewing mutant like yourself is unable to remove your warped, ideologue lens and recognise simple injustice.
The League of nations Mandate affirmed the right of the Jewish people to a homeland. The league mandate was incorporated into
the United nations charter. The United nations offered a patition
plan in 1947 that would have minimized the number of displaced
persons. the plan satisfied neither side but to avoid was the jewish
agency accepted it but the arabs refused, went to war vowing
to expel all the jews. The Arabs lost. Didn't the araqbs abuse their power?
I'm not writing this to rebut an obviously disturbed individual like you, but for the sake of any casual reader who happens upon your mindless rant.
I suggest you look up the meaning of objective
Yeah, just ignore the point that Israel continues to violate international law with impunity. If you had a conscience, you would know the truth, but I doubt that you do. I suggest, though, that you look up the meaning of the term "ethnic cleansing", though, probably, for you it doesn't count as ethnicity applies only to humans and Arabs, along with the other Goyim, don't properly fit in with that group. And, yes, the air assault, torpedoing, and machine gunning of life rafts of the USS Liberty by unmarked Israeli planes were all accidents, as was the jamming of the Liberty's frequency signals, which only the Israelis knew, the result of which was that the citizens of Cairo came within minutes a nuclear holocaust. And the radioing of the fighter pilots to ground control identifying the ship as American was a fabrication. And the fact that every survivor of this mass murder attempt from the captain down believes that the attack was deliberate is more collective delusion. Now back to your web monitoring.
ONE NATION, EQUAL RIGHTS UNDER THE LAW, FUTURE
I am well read about this situation and have visited both sides and through my experiences I can firmly say that this documentary portrays an accurate and realistic picture of the situation. Instead of being fanatics why don't some people here go visit Palestinian and see when rich bitches are busy shopping in Tel-Aviv driving BMWs, there are Palestinian girls who have been wearing the same piece of clothing for the past 5 years. Thanks you for making such a real documentary and I hope that the Israeli's correct their ways.
The palestinians have received billions in aid, from the U.N.
and Arab countries. they're poor because Arafat;s wife bought a whole lot of jewlery in paris with the money. get the picture.
A guess she's the biggest rich bitch of all
any positive debate you *may* [but did not] achieve has been totally wiped out by this ridiculous comment!
You complain about 'bias' on this site - there's no bias, only people's opinion. The fact is that you come across as bitter, uninformed and really disillusioned. As for your reference to the "so called Palestinians" - they are not "so called", they are real people. You would do well to try and remember this!
Yes they are so called and my answer is simply true.
According to Yasser Arafat the modern use of the term Palestinian originated with Amir Huysani the grand Mufti of Jerusalem
and organizer of the hanser division of the waffen SS in Bosnia,
1943. before him the term hadn't been used to describe an existing people for almost two thousand years. From 1949 to 1967 Jordan occupied Judea and Samaria and Egypt occupied Gaza. Neither Egypt nor Jordan accepted the idea that there was a Palestinian people. The Jordanians living in land stolen from Israel as per the League of nations mandate, themselves did not start referring to themselves as Palestinians until the early 1960s. Don't believe me, go look at newspapers before the 1960s
and count how many times the Jordanians referred themselves as Palestinians. There is nothing linguistically religiously, culturally
that distinguishes this so called Palestinian from Jordanians
At no time when Jordan controlled the disputed area did the so called Palestinian declare their desire for a Palestinian state. They could have, for there was no Jewish presence in the area. the Jordanian government ethnically cleansed the area of Jews.
The purpose of creating this fictional people was and is as device to
destroy Israel and ethnically cleanse it of hews.
Don't believe me. read the two founding charters of Fatah.
the best solution. the Jordanins should go back to Jordan
and israel should reclaim the land stolen from it.
You do well to learn this
Goodbye you antismitic Idiots.
I have just signed in to find another comment from you and I am not surprised in the least at your latest rant with its inaccurate history lesson.
I prefer to take my knowledge from legitimate historical facts, not fanatical wishful thinking nor even from the ramblings of Yasser Arafat et al. I understand both sides of the equation but am also capable of knowing when so-called 'defensive' actions cross the barrier to ignore basic human rights.
There is no point in trying to have a logical debate with someone who is so adamant in their self beliefs. Nor do I wish to have any communication with people who clearly condone violence by such vehement defence of Israeli illegal settlements, occupation and murderous so-called 'self-defence' tactics.
To feel the need to throw insults at those you do not know makes you a rather unpleasant person indeed.
"your latest rant with its inaccurate history lesson."
Exactly what is inaccurate???
"" prefer to take my knowledge from legitimate historical facts, not fanatical wishful thinking nor even from the ramblings of Yasser Arafat et al."
Arafat was head of the PLO which was the terrorist government of the so called Palestinian people. His rambling made history. The hate he spewed he said constitutes legitimate historical facts
I condone violence???? the Hamas thugs who fire rockets at civilians,
who use their own people as human shields, who encourage children
to become suicide bombers, who make heroes out of terrorists who smash the heads of five-year-olds, who preach genocide in their founding charters don't condone violence ?????
"I understand both sides of the equation but am also capable of knowing when so-called 'defensive' actions cross the barrier to ignore basic human rights."
Your either lying or deluded. A nation has the right to protect its citizens from fanatical homicidal maniacs, in other
words Hamas. You understand nothing
"To feel the need to throw insults at those you do not know makes you a rather unpleasant person indeed."
Oh please insult me. From you they're compliments.
And yes I hope to very unpleasant to liars who couch there hate in a thoroughly transparent phony talk about Human rights.
I have seen the latest photos of victims of Israel-Zionist latest bomb attacks. All of your accusations fly back to your face.
Did it ever occur to you that when Hamas fires rockets at civilians
in Israel there would be retaliation. Did it ever occur to you that if
those rockets were fired right next to civilian areas there would be civilian casualties in Gaza. Did it ever occur to you that one of the purposes of Hamas firing rockets from civilian areas was to ensure that they get publicity photos of dead and wounded children so
they could make propaganda. did ever occur to you that if Hamas cared about its own children it wouldn't started firing those rockets in the first place.
Did it ever occur to you that there were Israelis killed by those rockets
and thousands of civilian , including children, terrorized by this.
No I suppose it didn't.
Uninformed people that watch this beware: This is largely one-sided propaganda where causes and effects are often reversed: typical is the minimal mention of Arab countries' aggression and Palestinian terrorism that uses civilians as its shield and support, see how superficially the causes of war of '48 and '67 are presented and how you are left with the impression that all those security measures are pure sadism and that people are randomly shot and oppressed out of context.....
my message to my the Palestinian people, lets forget about the past, life goes on, who cares if they took our land, we will build beautiful buildings and plenty of resources our land is bigger than them, they will stop shooting high powered weapons, if the Israelites knows that we are doing good in our community, look at them they made subdivisions, what about us we keep fighting for nothing,let them be, we can make a happy life if our palestinian government build a school instead of teaching us to throw stones...
You sound like a deluded Israeli "settler": ..."Who cares if they took our land"???
Any normal human being would care if they being treated inhumanely and being deprived of their land and freedom.
ive long resisted any comment here, due to how high emotion seems to run on this topic, on BOTH sides of the fence... militarily, both sides commit "atrocities" in an unapologetic manner, allowing all to finger-point at "them" as the "monster"....the palestinian position and motivations are reasonably clear "liberte, fraternite...",etc, the impetus for most rebellion... it's the initial motivation of israel, the "rhyme and reason" that started the slow, inescapable trip to this crossroads the situation currently occupies, that so many debate and speculate about.. i think one must look at the history of nations founded by, for lack of a better term, "freed slaves", haiti, and liberia as prime examples... one finds as a common thread in such nations that the "plantation system" is retained (in the case of haiti) or instituted (liberia), as it is the industry and governance the leaders are most familiar with.... let us then overlay such a mindset on the irgun, the stern gang, and the various other military, paramilitary, and civilian leaders of the "zionist revolution" that gave birth to israel, who went on to pretty much dominate the israeli political scene until this day... these are for the most part, survivors of various pogroms, purges, death camps, forced resettlements, and a myriad of other discriminations at the hands of others, or they represented the remains of the resistance to those draconian injustices... the vast majority had only experienced "governance of discrimination", so it would seem logical to expect at least some aspects of such governance in the nation that emerges from the union of these populations... the political response of neighbor states, huge influx of "military aid",and long term lack of genuine mediation has offered no incentive to change this "political mindset", and has in fact offered a huge disincentive... i think one must look toward the "irish troubles" to see the ONLY potential solution to this problem... the political dynamic must be changed by both camps... bullying will never offer peace, no matter which camp has the larger cudgel to pound on their "enemy"... both sides must recognize the others rights, both must make concessions, and, most importantly, the world MUST allow for the "political evolution" process on BOTH sides, without interference, as ALL involved parties can NEVER be satisfied by any solution, and there will will be opposition on both sides to any real compromise... until all in power "bury the hatchet", and take a "restart from zero" approach (we're all here, we all need to exist, so let's work it out), there can be no progress...
I wish some of you could stop the childish comments and attacks from both sides, really. You are all entitled to agree or disagree with your points of views. I for one happen to agree that this documentary is a very accurate portrayal of how life exists under occupation, and I am well read on the topic. Excellent, but sad documentary which really highlights how extremism forms. I prey for the Palestinian people that they can eventually enjoy the freedom of an occupation-free, soverign nation. I just don't think it will happen in the near future, hope I'm wrong.
You are an idiot. Plain and simple. You don't care about the Palestinians, you just hate Jews. I've noticed a lot of your ilk posting comments here. As a German and a Jew, let me say, "F**** Dich"
Hmmm...."I don't hate Jews"..."I always thought that what Hitler did wasn't good..now I really doubt." Really? So the government of Israel and SOME Jews who support them commit atrocities, and you now wonder if it wasn't okay that Hitler tried to wipe out an entire race. Well by your logic, if it was okay for Hitler to do what he did, it ought to be okay for Israel to do what it is doing to the Palestinians. Listen people, Israel is a country run by a government. That government does not speak for every single citizen, and Israel certainly does not speak for every single Jew. A LOT of Jews here in America think that what is happening is abhorent. Hell, a lot of Jews in Israel don't like it. As I posted earlier, comparing all Jews to one another here is like saying that all Americans support the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Also that all Christians want to see Islam wiped out, and that all Muslims want a holy war against 'infidels'. Some of you people here really do just hate Jews. Hate is hate, shame on you
everybody who is not living in these hell-holes of Palestine, darfur, seira leon.... and god knows how many..... should thank god for each and every day of their life that they do not have to witness even a fraction of what people from these places has to go through day in day out..... and what shocks me after reading the reviews of my fellows from different parts of the world is... that instead of talking about the very basic right of these millions of people which is right to live... forget about... other rights.... and how it is voilated... we are still arguing about... propaganda, conspiracy theories... blah blah blah.... common guyz.... and i'm not being sentimental about it.... everytime we waste our time discussing these non essential issues ... there are lives in iminent danger..... and may peril any moment....
What motive?? Are you serious?? Did you not SEE LIVE footage of the floatilla?? When will the heart feel and the eyes see what lies before them???
Joan Peters "Time Immemorial "is a shamelessly mendacious tendentious ,poorly reaserched and historically inaccurate work.It was wholly discredited as such in 1986 after enjoying a brief period of ill-deserved praise.Not what I would call "doing your homework".Peter Goodgame is a Bible scholar more involved with the Rapture and Apocalyptic prophecy than foreign policies.The bible(I HAVE read it)and Qu'ran(also read it)certainly both condone violence and slaughter in the name of the True God.Except that the bible prophecies the return to the Holyland(state of Israel)and thus Zionists may rightfully lay claim to Palestine.Utter Fundamentalist Rubbish
so sad....cant believe they went down this road...weres the fear of god,
thats why the quran says,in reguards to the jews some of them are believers but most are evil livers,they wont fight you except behind a wall,this time they are use the jewish religion as there wall and the holocost as an excuse to propgrated there evil oppression and lies lies lies...I am shock how american jews to not speak up against this...who in the past here jump as laywers for other who were oppressed to gain ranks with in ,your for all inhumanity or none thats the truth.all else is alternative motives,next time some one tells me jews were gods chosen people tell me chosen for what,tell me wich of the ten commandments are be practiced...all i see is is the practice against all the commandments to practice one is all,,,do not steal do not kill ect. but this is what you have to do to have a state.
Regardless of one's stance on Israel/Palestinians, the Quran (sic) says most Jews are evil livers? I know plenty of American Jews who do not support Israel in this matter. So it is okay to paint "most" Jews with such a broad brush as "evil livers"? That is the same as saying most Muslims support a holy war against infidels. I suspect you would embrace a stereotypical view of "most Jews" even if you did not have the excuse of what is being done to the Palestinians. It is like saying that most Americans support the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, or that most Christians want to destroy Islam.
By the way, let us not forget that Palestine had been under Turkish Ottoman rule for four centuries, and then British rule, and that it was the Brits who, in effect, created the opportunity for Israel.
I saw this movie and have a firm opinion that this is lie. The second intifada was
ignited by fake and fraudulent footage on killing of Mahamad
Drury by Israel soldier created by France TV. later analysis clearly
showed that the France TV Channel intentionally fabricated the footage
an the boy was killed by a palestinian sniper. Fabrication of fake scenes
to portrait Israel aggressor is a wide accepted practice. Western
journalists and operators have been done this for decades; in the
second intifada they had agreement with Arafat to fabricate anti-Israel
news; in Lebanon war the worked for Hezbollah; in Gaza war - for Hamas.
This is one more fabricated "reality" that fully contradict to the
So Israel is more like a harmless fluffy bunny than an occupying military force? Please provide (links to) more, preferably verifiable, information in order to strengthen your argument.
Sir please educate yourself some more. You can be pro Isreal just don't be pro Isreali Government. This is genocide. No matter how you slice it. May your eyes see truth where the heart refuses to look.
Two thumbs up on this award winning documentary!!
Occupying another's land, and robbing them of their resources is illegal, immoral, and unjust. I would like to point out that the former CBS producer and propoganda artist Joan Peters, whom you refered to as Joan Peterson, is a fraud. Her work is laughable at best. If you wish to be truly educated on the topic, you should broaden your home library collection to include authors from both sides of the issue. Excellent choices from the left would include Norman Finklestein, Noam Chomsky, Phyllis Bennis, Ilan Pappe, and Benny Morris. Isn't that funny? They all happen to be Jewish.... So much for bias opinions. Great documentary... People are beginning to really wake up thanks to social media, the ordinary person is now more accurately informed.
Please scroll up and read Carmi comment. This person is dead on! Absolutely correct and it is very obvious that he/she has done his/her homework. Very well stated and I couldn't say it better myself. Well done.
Stephen Hawkings quote...."Ignorance is not a lack of knowledge it is the illusion of knowledge" is absolutely correct. I am so tired of people making ingnorant comments when it is so obvious they haven't researched for THEMSLEVES. To reiterate garbage from documentaries like this is typically of people who are too lazy to do the work themselves. Even the Palestinian population has been so propagandized that they wholeheartedly believe the lies their leaders feed them. Kindergarten children are fed hatred of the infidels. My suggestion is to number one, read the bible and the Koran. Compare the two. read "From time in Memorial" by Joan Peterson. Peter Goodgame is an author with a fabulous sense of the Arab Israeli conflict and sites both sides. This documentary is extremely biased and does not report on both sides at all. Look at Islam. It is not a religion of peace. Watch documentary called "What the West needs to know about Islam". Please do your homework before you make silly UNEDUCATED comments. The truth will set you free. God bless.
The bible is a very violent book, compared to the Qur'an which only teaches peace.
Its no wonder then that the bible reading countries like America are the way they are. The US has not only a very high homicide rate but murders millions of innocent people in unjust illegal wars. According to statistics where there's more bibles there are more murderers. The bible is the reason why Americans have blood-lust. Its no wonder the most killing in the world is done by Christians ignorantly claiming to be "liberating" as they go about slaughtering other humans with their high tech weapons. Allahu Akba!.
I figured I'd respond to a stupid post with an equally one sided and stupid response.
Both the sources you name are not very credible. Their authors are either a propagandist who tries to justify the acts of a country that has broken international law for decades and that of a rightwing populist. The Palestinians have done some bad things, too, but in recent decades it was mostly Israel that was the culprit. And that is not just me saying that but every single state in the world except for Israel and the USA.
I just saw the movie...it is really good one. I don't hate jews...I just don't like how they are playing with world. Movie says all true about all this shit. I have a jewish friend, shes in army now...and like she said, that even they dont like the way they do...better spend money to education. I always thought that what Hitler did wasnt good...now I really doubt. From nation, who suffered a lot they became most aggressive nation in the world. It's sad that NATO dont do anything about that...lets hope, that Europe will kick american ass from alliance soon.
it is nice to see that the the jewish lobby is alive and well even on this website.
many moderate jews, such as the late Tony Judt, have spoken about the inability of people to criticize the state of israel, because if we do it will only affirm to others that we are indeed anti-semites.
aside from the fact that semitic religions include christianity, islam, and judaism, thus calling into question the commonly accepted notion anti-semetism - there is a more obvious problem with this over used zionist defense mechanism. apparently israel is above criticism.
well lets just say its a good thing we have had great "anti-semitic" jews that fight/fought back with their critiques, people such as Noam Chomsky (once an adamant zionist), the late Howard Zinn, and DemocracyNow journalist Amy Goodman.
by the way good doc
on youtube there is additional 4 episodes ..do not forget to watch them...
i can't really blame hitler jews control the banks, the media, it is wrong to have 1 group control the entire country
I am a former Jew who converted to Islam. I see now how the Jewish state is a repressive government on Palestinians. Palestinians and Jews need to live in peace with either no government and no settlements or a UN sanctioned gov't in the region with NO settlements.
I see now that a gov't with Halakha the divine law of Hazrat Musa alahy asalam and a gov't with Shariah the divine law of the Prophet Muhammad Allah huma salahy Allah Muhammad wa Alay Muhammad are exactly the same because the religions have the SAME GOD! Jews and Muslims are the same and love and worship the same god we should be in peace but because of some Jews who think that its okay to take land from Arabs our unity is being divided. I see the truth of Islam now and the reason with Israel needs to get, but Islam and Judaism need to stay in a united Palestine of peace (which is what Allah Subanahu Wa'Talah/YHWH Almighty wants).
Quite a lot of what I watched was absolute fabrication interwoven with lies of omission, but what I want to ask is that viewers use their minds to think about whose "side" these people are on, really.
The very first sentence uttered makes an assertion that groups of people are only violent when they have good reason to be. What follows is a montage of scenes from uprisings, Algeria, and civil rights movement marches and anti-Apartheid and so on. Of course the assertion is absolutely farcical, since groups of people are also using violence AGAINST the "good guys" that we are supposed to then connect to the Palestinians. In fact, as is clear from decades of public statements by the Palestinians, they are engaging in violence for the same reason that the "bad guys" in South Africa and Jim Crow and so on were; simple racist hatred. They are also engaging in violence for the same reasons the French were in Algeria; because of dreams of empire.
Any vague knowledge of the Arab world since WWI (and to some extent before as well but why quibble) shows that the main political competing forces have been the Pan-Arabist view that the way to restore the Arab World to it's former "glory" of invading Europe and raping and pillaging was to unite under some socialistic/communistic rubrick (See Baath Party for example), versus the religious Pan-Islamic view that they need to restore the Caliphate and/or institute Sharia in order to once again be able to go invade Europe if they feel like it.
Establishing a non-Arab and non-Islamic nation right in the middle of the "future empire" they dreamed of was not tolerable.
Now, humans are group territorial as a species. Foreigners trying to settle in "our" territory always have provoked violence. And yeah, lots of Jews suddenly moved to Israel. They fail to mention why here, but they do mention that early Zionists were motivated to find a place where Jews could be "safe." Let me just mention that the town my ancestors were from was wiped out twice; once by the Nazis who left one in a hundred alive, and once by the Cossacks who left fewer than that. The Holocaust was far from the only time or place in Europe when Jews faced persecution and violent death. It is also important to note that Jews were not welcomed as immigrants to most countries. The head of immigration for the US during WWII was quoted as saying the ideal number of Jews allowed to immigrate would be "zero." Even in places like Chicago and Minneapolis Jews were denied admission to university based on their race and could not swim in the same swimming pools as "white" people, as late as the 1950's. No Arab nation opened their doors to Jewish refugees from Europe. And the claim that Arabs had always treated Jews well is not even vaguely supported by the historical evidence.
So Jews had a very clear need to have somewhere to go, when they needed to go somewhere to avoid being killed. And Jews had a very clear lesson that if they did not obtain their own nation, there was a very good chance they would not have a place to run to next time either.
It is understandable then that Jews would try to have their own nation, and understandable that Palestinians would violently oppose this effort. It is further understandable that when Palestinians engaged in terrorist attacks and killed unarmed Jewish men, women, and children mostly starting in the 1920's (but with some incidents much earlier), the Jews would see this as the same pattern of violence they had left in Europe. Israel is largely populated with the refugees, and their decendants, who fled the pogroms, the Holocaust, and the terror campaigns of the Arab world from 1949-52. To a large extent the premise of the state of Israel is that at least some non-Jews will always try to kill Jews if the opportunity is there. The continued Palestinian and Arab violence and their frequent promises to commit genocide against the Jews has re-inforced this view.
If there is no possibility of peace, then Israel might as well colonize the West Bank, might as well treat the Palestinians badly. Palestinians tried to murder Jews decades before Israel existed, and have continued to have the same objective for ninety years now regardless of Israeli policies.
So whose side are these people on? What is their real motivation? Palestinian terror will never drive the Jews out, never kill them all, never force Israel to "give back" all the "occupied" land. Only a non-violent protest movement by the Palestinians can create positive change for the Palestinians, yet these people excuse and support more violence right from the very first sentence of the propaganda. It would mess up their whole narative to admit that Israel tried desperately to avoid war in 1967(and the internal documents were recently made available), which they characterize as a war that was caused by "violent tensions" (skipping the war between 1949 and 1967 entirely). It would really screw up their story to admit that the "occupation" is merely the armistice lines that existed after Israel defended itself from agression and invasion by the Arab states with the full support of the Palestinians. If Nazi Germany had refused to ever make peace, would the American soldiers there now be evil "occupiers?" Would Germans be justified in killing French and Polish civilians?
Who knows what their motive is for encouraging more murder and destruction and death and making a film with lie after lie to pursue that goal. They are not on the Palestinians "side," and they seem quite eager for Jews to die. As a long-time Leftist activist I feel quite strongly that these people are against peace and justice and equality as strongly as anyone alive today. At best they make the racist assumption that Palestinians cannot be racist and cannot dream of empire and conquest, only white people and Jews can do that if one believes these folks. At worst they are mostly motivated by a desire to see Jews killed and to spread hatred of Jews.
Even if you believe all of the lies in this movie, think about what they are saying and what the possible results are for the Palestinians and for the Jews and ask yourself just what motives these people can possibly have for wanting the Palestinians to suffer more.
the big fraud is to make the Palestinians look like innocent people being killed and their land being stolen.
the real story is that there was a war in which we were attacked from these territories that weren't anyones particular land. the land was appended by Jordan and Egypt in 1948 when they still thought of building a Jew free Arab empire.
we took the land nobody wanted but it's inhabitants. at the beginning we didn't recognize them as a people because they weren't, they lived a much better life than before, they worked inside Israel,they were pleased and if you would listen carefully you will hear them missing those days before the first intifada.
all these claims with the death toll of the Palestinians and the so called land grab is misleading. if we wanted to kill them then why didn't we do that before the first intifada? and if the settlements are so bad then why are the Palestinians building them with their own hands?
all of the problems began when the Palestinians chose the way of terror over the way of negotiating, and couldn't stop it after they started it. at some point the terrorism got a religious boost which made it even more blind to any chance for peace, as it is until this day.
that's the fraud, it's not in the numbers, it's in the story. even though there are many inaccurate facts in this film but i want get into this, it's less important.
@israeli, what is the big fraud? ... what is everyone missing here ?
you are right, "everybody knows" is a much better argument.
what i sad was not an argument but an example of how you can use the facts the way you want them to look like.
it doesn't matter anyway, you'll probably continue on focusing on the small details instead of the big fraud.
I am happy to go into the original mandate for Palestine and even the 3, soon to be 4, UN resolutions you are currently in violation of but at the end of the day, as I said before, is it going to make any difference? You are entrenched in your position that your state is under an overwhelming attack and you are fighting for your very existence. You seem quite intelligent which makes it so difficult to understand how you can possibly have the mind set that in all reality the Palestinian people offer any REAL threat to you, You who are the largest military power in the region. You could literally wipe them off the face of the earth in days. Whats worse is that the US gave you the bomb, incidentally there was no opposition to this move which at the end of the day caused a major imbalance in the region.
You use the original mandate to validate your previous and current settlement expansion, picking and choosing which sections to use, where and when, but as is always the case, when said mandate needs to be adjusted to accomodate the shifting situation you ignore any change that does not fit within your governments current expansion plans. There are many people in your country who whole heartedly are against this but unfortunately for you just not enough. You even ignore the ICJ the Hague.
Surely you must see that the major problem the rest of the world has with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is that they see a literal Juggernaut stomping all over the little guy. Empathy is a human trait, like it or not, and it is this trait that is sparked when an outsider looks into this situation. Its not "Israel bashing" as you put it, neither is it anti-semitism, its human nature!
You did not earn the state of Israel politically. You took it by force with stolen British weapons and killed, I think 16 british soldiers in the process. You moved early while the UN was still working out the finer details. No country including the US was going to recognise the state of Israel until one very fateful taxi ride Truman took one day with some idiot who was an envoy facing the prospect of losing his job if it wasn't recognised. He sold Truman the benefits of having a "friend" in the region. Making it more or less pointless over night for the rest of the world to continue to refuse to recognise it.
As for the genocidal Arab-Muslim war against infidels, you will find that they will consider me an infidel just like you. In my country they tend to live in certain areas in our cities and I walk past them every day. The news is constantly beating on about Muslim extremists within our midsts, bomb threats etc, but if this government tried to erect walls/fences/security barriers around the areas they lived it would be the last thing it did as a government and would rightly be shown the door the next day so to speak. The people simply would not condone it!
Im not trying to imply that this situation mirrors yours physically, but morally it does. The Northern ireland situation with the IRA is still unresolved but Sinn Fein is now a viable political party engaged in the democratic process with previous and current governments and still there is bombing. but the reaction is not to isolate all catholics from protestants in any way, politically or physically as this will only serve to widen the divide.
This is going on a bit....ive got work to do. but Musti pick out whatever statements you would like me to validate from any of my previous posts and i will source the relevant material, when I finish work.
Your response is beneath you and beneath your standards. Sorry to disappoint but I am familiar with every word of and the debates about the standing international law known as the Mandate for Palestine. While the Madatory power surrendered its position to the UN the underlying law of the Mandate did not. It explictedly states that that while Arabs were granted political rights in Eastern Palestine that Zionists were granted political sovereignty in Western Palestine. It clearly states that non-Jews had civil and religious rights in the Jewish homeland. Incidently, Jews East of the Jordan River were ethnically cleansed by the Hasamite tribe from the Arabian peninsula who were give admistrative powers by the British. Campbell and others can tap dance around this and will probably throw up distractions, smoke screens, and straw dog arguments to attack but the fact is they are wrong! They will twist and turn in every manner they to avoid discussing the Arab-Israeli conflict as a genocidal Arab-Muslim war against infidels. They will ignore that the war began long before any 'occupation.' That's why the propaganda film "occupation 101" is an abomination of propaganda meant to avoid discussing Arab religious apartheid. But why bother with campbell and other Israel bashers who don't seem capable of finding anything positive to say about a Jewish homeland under seige and under threat of extinction since before its resurrection.
@isreali, you can talk all you want about it, and say whatever you want to say. Making the nazi argument is completely ridiculous in this context, it's got nothing to do with anything ... The fact is that everybody knows that Palestine are an oppressed people that Israel wants to wipe off the map. That's clear to everybody else in the world, and the whole world is aware of what's happening there ...
greetings from Ireland ...
"all three happen to be Jewish…. Gues that eliminates the option for antisemitic views. Need I say more?"
who sad anything about antisemitism? they are anti israeli, and being jewish doesn't make what you say against israel correct.
Chomsky and his bunch made a career out of being israel hating jews, if they weren't jews nobody would ask them for their opinion, they are nobodies in the academic community accept the anti israel community.
what i meant was that the whole narrative tells a distorted story. that's like saying that the British had less casualties then the Germans on WW2 and therefore they are guilty of slathering the poor Nazis.
you see what i mean? the use of partially true facts in order to give a distorted story. if they would have given the other side and tell the whole story without half-facts and their own subjective narrative, it would have been difficult to be the judge of the israeli-palestinian conflict. every side has some right claims and some wrong claims, the israelis know the palestinian claims and the palestinians know the israeli claims. this docs were meant to show one side hoping people like you wouldn't notice. so far great success!!
"In the western world you will mostly see ground commanders answering such questions"
a. not true
b. we are measured like no one else, the US can blow up an orphanage building and after a day or 2 the press will forget about it, if an israeli commander says "we saw 2 men aiming at us with rifles, we feared for our lives, shot to their legs and one of them got killed accidentally" the quote in the BBC or CNN would be " we saw 2 men, we shot and killed".
"Israel had better start paling up to the Chinese because soon enough the US wont have the political or Economic power/will to keep proping your country up. When this happens you will be all by yourself…. I wonder how you will cope?"
we will cope just fine..
you seem to forget that we are doing a lot of good service to the US in exchange to their support. when the US aid is gone they will lose that. and believe it or not even without their support there is no real danger for our economy or military capabilities.
we built everything our selves. our blood, sweat and mostly brains built this country, not the US aid. we will not let the Arabs enjoy the fruits of our success while being hostile. if they want to, we can share everything, as long as they accept our right to be here in israel.
I hate religion, but I LOVE Jews. Sorry, just love them.
I mean, they have much to answer for with that whole jesus thing... but, they are smart and they read and discuss, debate, and they love maths... etc.
Look, Israel is like a teacup in the middle of Madison Scquare garden. A little postage stamp of green in a desert.
Have you ever flown over it?
Do I like that American policy for Israel is Jews need to occupy it before jesus somes back? No. It's silly.
But I like Jews. They kicked all of the Arab nations' asses
in six says. That was cool.
What were we talking about?
You really need to look at the original mandate! Are they actually teaching you in schools that you were granted everything west of the Jordan lock and stock!?
Actually, forget it..... there is no point.
Israel had better start paling up to the Chinese because soon enough the US wont have the political or Economic power/will to keep proping your country up. When this happens you will be all by yourself.... I wonder how you will cope?
Why is it that israel always uses a few specific spokespersons when answering questions about military aspects to the International media? In the western world you will mostly see ground commanders answering such questions. Are you worried about what your own ground commanders might say or indeed reveal by said answers?
Another one. Does Israel believe that the ENTIRE world is against them and that is the reason why they are the only country in the World to ignore mandates handed down by the Hague? Or is it that they feel they are above international Law?
1 more. If you search an old Palastinian woman who is trying to bring a child to the hospital in Jerusalem, and find not a trace of explosives or its parafanalia on her, how can she still be refused entry? on what grounds? and before you deny this claim it is Israel that provide the figures for check point refusal.
Israeli.... If you were aware of academic excellence,then you would know of Ilan Pappe, Phyllis Bennis, and Noam Chomsky who all appear in the film. Coincidently, all three happen to be Jewish.... Gues that eliminates the option for antisemitic views. Need I say more? The documentary is a fantastic portrayal of what has been happening in the occupied territories. Propoganda??? So, I guess you think all the footage was done in a studio somewhere in Gaza? Do yourself a favour and wakeup from your dreamworld that you seem to be living in. You have to be either blind or so terribly biased to not see how Israel has commited and continues to commit war crimes. Two thumbs up!!
Let's get this straight. By actual international law, not fantasy law or wishful thinking, while Arabs were granted civil and religious rights, the Zionists were the only group granted sovereign political rights to all the land from the former Ottoman Empire west of the Jordan River. Nothing has superseded or terminated this law. In the interest of peace they are offering to give up some of the land to the Arabs who now live on what Arabs consider disputed land.
Conditions in Arab "refugee" communities are due to the Arab leadership who have always had complete control of the area and refused to close the "camps" or improve conditions for refugees, displaced persons and their descendants. Even so, according to every standard of living criteria, if areas Arabs hope to govern were already a country it would be ahead of dozens of countries whose people receive next to no aid compared to the relatively well off Arabs of Palestine. Conditions? Search for the newest pictures from Gaza which show widespread prosperity. Speaking of communities, what about Jewish communities in areas that for hundreds of years they have legally been permitted to live in except during periods of Arab religious apartheid? Demands that Jews be expelled from areas over which the have the legal and historical right to live amounts to apartheid.
Occupation? What is being occupied: It’s over 500 years since Arabs had sovereignty over the area so it can’t be “Arab land.” It can’t be “Palestinian land” since there has never in the history of the world been any “Palestinian Land.” Occupation? When Arabs controlled 100% of the area mentioned in claims made for public consumption they still cried “occupation.” What “Occupation” was being targeted when “Liberation” organizations were formed during the 19 years after Arabs invaded and took control of all the land they now demand for a state? The answer is the entire state of Israel is considered occupied land. This film is pure and simple b@##$%&* propaganda that ignores every thing that tells the truth about the Arab-Israeli conflict and attempts to draw attention from genocidal Arab religious apartheid by throwing up sob stories as distractions.
now really, isn't it just spectacular that there's a one sided doc, that doesn't bother to share even one view from the israeli side and the comments are:"great doc", "I THINK IT IS A GREAT, EDUCATIONAL MOVIE"...
look at yourselves. it's almost as pathetic as doing a "documentary" with the respected directors Sufyan Omeish and Abdallah Omeish on the israeli-palestinian conflict. i bet they are 2 Harvard grads with a very broad and intellectually superior way of thinking, yet still i would expect for someone more objective as well as more objective participants in the doc.
oops did i say doc? i meant this propaganda film..
Ehmmm....America. You have about 40% of the Lobby there anyway.
that's it..we're doomed..
thumbs up palestinian propaganda..you have won..
I've gotta run does anybody know a country which accepts jews and their population treats them as equals???
have you thought of going to u.s.?
i for one am happy with religion leading to war on any side. the world is grously over populated as it is. and who cares about whos hurting who in some forin land when theres starving and improvrished people in your owne country. thats derected to every one take care of your self befor condeming the actions of others. its history, people kill off, mate and mingel with eachother all the time. always have its just the way things are.
the devil wants to isolate you so he can overcome you.
@Hardy, @Will, @jono660 and @Ivan.
Whilst reading your comments, I couldn't fight the urge to feel relieved in a way. You guys just said everything that makes the liver cold (an Arabic metaphor that expresses relief) For the first time in my life, I'm realizing that there are people out there who have been lies to all of their lives by their biased media, who have been taught an conditioned as well to react with such hostility to anyone who accuses Israel of Occupation. However, once faced with the facts (which is EXACTLY what this documentary shows) cannot fight the urge for their humanity and for their common sense and conscious to speak the truth, even if its TOTALLY against what their people support. I can only insist, that people watch this doc. with an open heart, and just take a little glimpse of what its like to be a Palestinian in the 21st century.
From the small state of Kuwait, I salute you.
isreal dun lok lik chirst...they dun follow jesus...remember isreal...god can build..he can oso destroy u...
For those who haven't watched. Please ignore the rude and ignorant comments that were posted by some and take it upon yourself to watch this documentary. I had the unfortunate displeasure of seeing Gaza first hand (before the wall was built) and I was horrified at the extent of oppression the Palestinians were facing at the time. The situation has only become worse; this is a true eye opener for those who are confused on the topic; as was I. If I could give three thumbs up, I would.
@mari juan ha
are you serious!!!!!!!!! jewish people are part of a religion, not a super human race of monsters. as with all religions, there are factions that take their beliefs and turn them into something evil. then, of course, there are the suckers who blindly follow along after them.
the "jews would rule the world and they pretty much already do" is such a bizarre statement. the israelis are doing the wrong are invading palestine, not the jews invading the arabs.
it is discusting to hear that someone would refer to the holocaust in any sort of positive terms.
Well of all the races, the jews are the only one anyone has a good reason to hate. If Hitler did not do what he did, jews would rule the world and they already pretty much do
this doco makes me very appreciative of the peaceful nation that i live in. i am saddened and discusted at what i just watched and must admit that i was very naive to the situation in this country.
it is wrong for anyone to teach children to fight, to kill anyone is wrong, to take what is not rightfully yours. neither israels or palestinanes should be allowed to continue, BUT i also know that if my freedoms were taken away and my families oppressed and murdered. and my home and livelyhood destroyed. i too would fight. i too would throw stones at tanks.
you cannot take freedom and lives and expect people to just take it.
it is encouraging to see that there is a movement in israel for soliders to refuse to serve in the occupation. sanity seems to prevail when everyone has an open mind and ALL the information.
I mean to say you seem as callous to general human suffering as the Ariel Sharons and Hamas groups that you decry.
There IS absolution here between Muslim and Jew and forgiveness for us in the West for having set the stage in all of this conflict. We just need to want it and humble ourselves before our "enemy" and throw away our foolish pride that makes us too self righteous to even ASK for forgiveness.
I'm really appalled by this lack of basic human empathy from everyone here. How dare you all call each other 'Zionist Pigs' and "babies" and "Muslim creatures" and things of this nature? The funny thing is that you all bicker and accuse one another like YOU all are the ones going into civilian neighborhoods with tanks or strapping bombs to yourselves. If we, so called, "civilized" people who are removed from the conflict and don't have any idea what EITHER side goes through on a daily basis act like this toward each other how can any of you REALLY be surprised by the fact that the killing continues? Do you believe that any of you are actually helping by pouring out your heart for one side over the other and saving judgement exclusively for the opposite party? Shame on you all. I'm just glad that you all aren't in charge of anything important because you all seem just as callous to the GENERAL human suffering and debasement of human dignity that takes place everyday there because of the Pandora's box that was opened and has been opened by man on his fellow man since the beginning of time; the box of murder. We should be working to close that box with brotherhood and compassion because it's only a vicious cycle that will engulf the wicked, the innocent, man, woman and child without discrimination.
This entire problem is based not just on Israelis and Palestinians but on us, as Westerners as well, for wanting to soothe our own guilt about the fact that we basically tried to do business with Hitler and the German people whom he led into abject sin and disgrace and ALLOWED the Jews to suffer until we finally saw Hitler's armies at OUR doorstep and THEN did something.
And to the guy talking about Hitler's propaganda of the Jews coming to fruition; how dare you? Honestly, how dare you? I'm ashamed to have to admit that someone like you and is even the same species as myself.
Personally, I think that Israel should've been taken out of part of Germany but the proud, "righteous" governments of Europe and America would NEVER have thought twice about taking land and sovereignty from a defeated enemy who, by our own admonition, committed some of the worst crimes in humanity because they looked like themselves or had a similar culture in the end. But instead, in their "infinite wisdom" thought it'd be a better solution to create divisions and malice between two groups of people who never harbored such feelings toward each other before. But, I am not an unreasonable or unforgiving man and I believe there is absolution; even for Hitler if he would've wanted it. And my solution about taking a piece of land from Germany is now an impossibility because, like Northern Ireland, the entire American continent and Kashmir today a foreign body of people IS now there. Whether they came in peace or with sword in hand is irrelevant because that was a fight between their grandparents and the only logical, humane and right solution is to quell the feelings of superiority, entitlement, loss and displacement between BOTH groups and to bring them together because the truth is that Jews and Muslims, Israeli and Palestinian are both a part of each other whether they want to be or whether they like it or not. They can either live together or die together.
Why is this being discussed? Who dares even attempt to justify these acts? You dont excuse bad things by saying worse exists. Shame on you.
There are so many things in this video that are completely FALSE. I've watched 19 minutes of it and cant take it anymore. First of all the conflict does not start in 1947, it started way before that. Second of all, Jews began making aliyah to Israel in the late 1880s and they had been coming in waves. The holocaust contributed to it, but it was not the sole cause. Third of all, Palestinian Christians and Muslims DO NOT get along. The Muslims are the main contributors to the Christians leaving. For example, last summer Muslims in Gaza dug up Christian graves because they said the Christians polluted the land. Third, the first Christians were NOT PALESTINIANS. Palestine was established after the Ottoman Empire fell in the 1800s.
This video constantly blames the Israelis. What about the Palestinian leadership? Yasser Arafat? Nobody is willing to admit that he stole BILLIONS OF DOLLARS from his people and gave it to his fat wife in paris. Oh, and he also died from AIDS.
Long live palestine, we will be free some day
no one has the balls to say it but is it not the greatest irony that the nazi propoganda of jews has become prophercy! the greatly oppressed have become the great oppressers its almost laughable. The jews should never have been given Israel they suffered a lot less than other races, blacks, wot the f--k did they get for 600 years of slavery? the annihilation of native americans? genocide of Cambodians? anti semetism this is not jews beware for you will judged wen righteousness returns to our world,
Wow,...this is why the fights continue,..I see nothing other than one person trying to point out why the other person is wrong,..or in the wrong. News flash guys,..both sides have done some stupid s***,..I don't think anyone would dispute that. So where do we go from here? Fight some more about who is wrong,..or use our energies to figure out how to find reasons to move forward, rather than finding reasons to keep us stuck.
Moreover, Erez, you're applying an entirely hypocritical perspective. You're saying that ALL Palestinians want to destroy Israel and when a Palestinian blows himself up it's an act that represents how ALL Palestinians feel.
Then, you turn around say "Well, those settlers in occupied territories are the nut-cases, the outliers and the exception. Most Israelis LOOOOVE the Palestinians and want to bake them cookies!!"
It's horse-hockey and you know it, especially when your own government endorses and supports, not to mention subsidizes the settlement of land that doesnt' belong to Israel.
My mind is seriously boggled that you seem to be able to look these basic facts right in the eye and still not see them.
Yeah, I give up. No intelligent thought here, sorry.
And by the way - you don't have to tell me how idiotic religions are. I know.
Google search for article:
"The Birth of Israel
A Tale of Lies, Deceit, and Terrorism
By William A. Cook"
Based on classified documents from the Jewish Agency and its affiliated organizations seized by the British Mandate Police, materials that confirm that the Zionist controlled Jewish community intended to remove the Arab inhabitants of Palestine from their land and make the whole of Mandate Palestine a Jewish State, an intent that continues to the present day as the new book, The Plight of the Palestinians: a Long History of Destruction, available at Macmillan, demonstrates.
References for the aforementioned recommended read:
1- Catling, Sir Richard C. Personal Classified “Top Secret” files. Rhodes House Library Archives. #145. Mss. Medit. S 20 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) Appendices circa 475 pages of seized documents. Oxford: Bodleian Libraries.
2- Morris, Benny. (1999). Righteous Victims: A History of the Zionist-Arab Conflict, 1881-2001. Knopf. 208.
3- Khalidi, Walid. (1992). All That Remains. Institute for Palestinian Studies: Washington, D.C. xv.
4- MacMichael, Harold. (1947). “Memorandum on the Participation of the Jewish National Institutions in Palestine in Acts of Lawlessness and Violence” The Palestine Police, Jerusalem, 7-31-1947 in Catling file.
5- MacMichael. “dispatch.” 1.
6- Ibid., “Despatch.” 2.
7- Ibid., “Despatch.” 2.
8- Catling. “Memorandum.” 1-2.
9- Ibid., “Memorandum.” 2-3.
10- Ibid. “Memorandum.” 5.
11- Ibid., Appendix, XVIA, 157.
12- Ibid., Appendix, XXVIII, 219.
William A. Cook is a professor of English at the University of La Verne in Southern California. His works include Psalms for the 21st Century, Tracking Deception: Bush Mid-East Policy, The Rape of Palestine, The Chronicles of Nefaria, a novella, and coming in June from Macmillan, The Plight of the Palestinians. Articles by Cook appear in Counterpunch, the Palestine Chronicle, MWC News, Pacific Free Press, Atlantic Free Press, Dissident Voice and Countercurrents among others.
Basically, just another self-delusional article by yet another nutcase.
So yeah, Erez, sleep well baby, and rote-learn your illegal government's history books.
Nice Job of cherry picking. Other than benny morris the cites you mentioned come from rabid Israel bashers who themselves take staements out of context by Israel bashers .Benny Morris has since qualified his work because its been distorted and Now research the statements and vile life of Amin Huysani who Yasar Arafat called the spiritual and political founder of Palestinian nationalism. Read his hate mongering in context
my links of 3 year old palestinian babys who are learning how to become suicide bombers and that the jews are satan (not israel) have been removed by this site, and your links are still here.
why is that?
will, at first (in 1990-2000) there was no wall or checkpoints and thats when the suicide bombers strike. not the other way around.
you live in a fairy tail story. sadly part of the world is too.
the muslim culture is violent from its base. the muslims have disputes all over the world with many other nations. in russia, in africa and more. they even have disputes among themselves.
more arabs killed arabs then jews ever have.
don't be mistaken, hamas and the arab population wants the jews dead, not only out of their lands. go ask them, search for the hamas platform. ask the three year old palestinians what they whould like to do when they see a jew.
ask bin laden what his main goal is.
when they'll win, and get all of israel (cause thats what they want - not only the west bank and gaza [wich is not in our hands anymore anyway] go ask them yourself) we will be the weak again. WE WILL be murdered by the arabs, and then the world will pity us. and so on...
Good night everybody. i know you all mean good.
But you see Hardy, if these people at all conduct self-accountability, they can't help themselves but be myopic, these "highly educated and advanced community", for they are trained to automatically blame their failures on "anti-semitism", or assume themselves to be self-righteous and the victim.
They are charlatans, humbugs these, living in self-delusion, pretending to be the innocent, and the bombardiers of humanity in "self-defence"; but the entire world knows the truth, don't worry too much.
The tide's turning indeed.
Seriously Erez? Not a single reflective thought after my post?
Aren't you able to feel basic empathy? Can't you answer the question why muslims in your own country are peaceful and muslims in the Gaza Strip and West Jordan are driven to radicalism? Why did the Hamas win the election in 2005 instead of the less violent and religious Fatah?
Anyone can say an action is bad. The person who thinks further is the one truly capable of thought.
@ erez, but you have such a childish stance; one that only a myopic school kid would maintain, son.
oh, and i'm not a "kid".
probably much older then you.
you're right jono660.
as the link i've posted do "prove" that the israeli children are the ones who was brainwashed. not the arab kids who they teach from the age of three to wear explosive and kill the pig jews.
i learned in school about peace. how about you?
i've talked about facts. i live here.
look in the mirror.
@ Hardy, don't spend too much time on this Erez kid who is clearly indoctrinated through the history and current affairs books they've sworted in their school, and trained to carefully circumvent the cause and effect factor(s), and then to drive the world's attention to the foul plunder of Palestine by focussing instead on the "effect" on poor poor invaders.
you are right hardy! and i'm not being cynical here.
so why do you think israel do all those horrible things you see on documentaries like this one.
there is got to be a reason.
how can a nation with great progress drowns itself in the mud?
israel have so much to lose. so much anger is directed toward us. why the hell do we need all these? risking all the economy for a piece of land?
as i said, hardy, no one here wants that land, and that's the happy truth.
we're not in gaza or in the west bank.
those suicide bombers are learning from small age that we are satan and should be killed. i would want to die and kill satan too if someone told me that when i was young.
we just want to live without someone trying to kill us.
and for staying alive, we will do everything.
What I am saying?
I am saying that there is always a reason behind an action. And if you question why a suicide bomber is ready to throw his life away, why he is driven to radicalism, you will find a reason. A reason other than "Well, he just doesn't like Israel".
Such a great thing you can comment to the point, jono660, and not make some infantile insults with no basis.
my history is checked, but yours sure is twisted.
You sure did made MY point.
You're probably a "great" guy.
Now go back to your sleep, little baby. It'll obviously be some time before you wake up - before you get jolted - to the truth.
Meanwhile, in the day, finish memorising your history school book. You want to pass your primary school exams, now don't you.
so what are you saying hardy?
that a man who blows up in a crowd is something to be proud of?
it's something that contributes to someone?
i'll go after anyone who does that to me.
We are not occupying nothing! it's a myth.
we are not controlling the west bank and definitely not gaza.
i'm long gone from your house, wake up from your dream and start building it. i can even help you!
stop justifying murder of innocent people.
Will, thank you for those posts. I get horribly frustrated very quickly during a discussion on this topic. And yes, you summed it up very well.
Erez; ``We don’t “restrain people from moving around”. We protect ourselves from suicide bombers which you think are ethic.``
If you want to protect yourself from me beating you up, then pack up your stuff and move out of my house.
If you want to protect yourself from Palestinian suicide bombers, stop occupying Palestine.
"The houses we knock down is of suicide bombers which you refer as ethic, and were not moving people in… that’s just making up. `
No, they`re not. Well, they might be, but that`s entirely incidental. If you actually think that the ONLY homes that Israel knocks down are those belonging to suicide bombers and that it`s some sort of punishment or justice you`ve been lied to.
I bet you`re a good guy, Erez, but you`re being lied to.
Exactly Erez! Fight back! Kill those damned Arabs! That will solve the problem! Good thinking there!
If only 10% of the Israeli's would think about WHY they are being attacked by suicide bombers, the problem between Israelis and Palestinian Arabs would be solved.
"What? Somebody throws away his own life by blowing himself up to kill 5-10 Israelis? Yeah, he just hates them without a reason. Totally uncalled for."
The houses we knock down is of suicide bombers which you refer as ethic, and were not moving people in… that’s just making up. In fact we destroy settlers homes which are not legal.
We don't "restrain people from moving around". We protect ourselves from suicide bombers which you think are ethic.
We don't deprive them from anything. They are coming to Israel to work. They don't handle they're economics in direction of growth.. just for war.
And yes, when they come to kill us we fight back.
It's sounds the same from both sides, doesn't it Will?
It's the same.
Only guess what? We are the strong ones who took care of our education and future.
So sadly. We are the bad ones. The strong one is never good.
i thank you for the none violent language.
i'll adress every point you made and be happy to hear from you back. since this is an important discussion.
first of all you mention in your analogy the checkpoints but failed to connect them to the suicide bombers. without getting into the argument: is the suicide bombers are a "smart" strategy? you'll have to agree that even the most evil creature (in your view - israel) will do anything to protect itself. well, starting from checkpoints in order to check people from explosives and working permit is a good idea.
by the way, the checkpoints are on the entry points to israel from the westbank, like any normal country would have on it's borders.
when i go to the mall in israel i stand in line for a checkpoint that checks me (an israeli) for explosives, cause you now, suicide bombers are out there. the same in the bus station and movies and restaurants... you get the idea.
what is the three international laws that israel is violating in "what they are doing" in the west bank?
as of now, the west bank is controlled by fatah. it's an autonomy.
israel have no say in the west bank. soon they will declare independence and israel supports that within a peace agreement.
although they recognize israel they consider it an enemy and still get to come and work here. they have their own enforcing force and recently had clashes with hamas who killed many of them. not israel.
about the apartheid claim. well, it's not possible since israel is not present in the west bank. not by army and not by govrnment. there is the checkpoints on the border, but thats what they do. check.
i believe you were referring to sabra and shatila in your 3rd point. well, it is an issue that we here in israel are learning in schools as a model to low morality and in the IDF it is a part of military ethics class as something that can't be repeated.
however, there is no discussion about ethnic cleansing. no one was executed according to some sort of plan, and the murderers were not israeli soldiers. sharon did look away and the rest is mentioned above. by the way, many years after that, sharon was the one who made the withdraw from gaza.
now to the main comment you maid.
the jewish people did not invade nothing. we were given the land by the UN who belonged to the british before and to the turks before that. there always were jews along side with arabs in israel.
in 48 we declared independence. we didn't want any other land beside the one been given to us by the UN.
right away all the arab nations opened a war on the newly born state. we were very weak, just the way the media now days likes it, but back then we had no internet.
unfortunately we won. since then they call it the nakba.
many arabs fled from their homes to other arab countries. no one drove them away. many of them stayed and now they're citizens here.
as for the west bank and gaza, it's been discussed by me above. the main concept: we were attacked (because we were weak) and occupied land that is no longer in our hands (west bank and gaza).
as for the RELIGION comment you made. israel is mostly non religious. a small group of settlers who still sits there do not represent the state. as soon as there will be peace, they are out of there! everybody hates them and they are a burden on the state and army. they spit at soldiers and throw stones at them.
on the other hand, the palestinians are mostly religious. muslims.
they're religious leaders tells them every morning that they should kill the jewish state and its people. two soldiers who got lost on their way home was butchered by the fanatic crowd and on the other hand any arab can get into israel and no harm will come to him. i got workers from the west bank working near my house. they work peacefully, and no one thinks about butchering them.
the conclusion? yes! suicide bombers who kills 20 innocent citizens on a bus are not justified, and this is certainly no way to struggle. the plastinians should look inside and judge themselves, we here in israel do it every day. we question ourselves all the time.
and if all the above didn't convince you... then checkpoints and fences are all we got left to protect ourselves with
believe me when i say, big majority of the people here care less for the land. we just want to be recognized and to live in peace.
Y'know... I fail to understand how anyone can watch this film and still continue to defend the things that Israel is doing and has done. It seems so intellectually dishonest that someone can be aware of the realities of what's happening over there and still think that Israel has any claim whatsoever to the moral high ground.
You're gonna invade another country, occupy it's land, knock down people's houses so you can move your own people in, deprive the occupied people of their human rights, restrain them from moving about, deprive them of the means to support themselves and then complain and call them terrorists and crack down on them even harder when they fight back?
Are you SERIOUS?!
Regardless of any other considerations, the facts of the matter are these.
1. Israel is in violation of no less than three international laws with what they're doing in the West Bank.
2. Israel has, in effect, created a situation that comes very close to being an apartheid state in the West Bank.
3. Ariel Sharon's decisions and policies aren't QUITE ethnic cleansing, but they're the next best thing.
While the third point certainly requires more dicsusion that my simple claim, I think I would end up on top in that argument. The first two, on the other hand, are a matter of definition and are as indisputible as any basic claim of fact can be.
If I invade your country, slice off a portion and start moving my people in, is it fair for me to call you a "terrorist" when you fight back? We can debate and argue about wehther or not suicide bombing is a smart way to do it, but ultimately the act of resisting a foreign occupier is hardly terrorism.
Let's say that Mexico invades the US and annexes California and the US can't really do anything about it, they just lose the war. Now the residents of California start to resist and fight back against the occupying force as they are continually displaces from their homes. They are forced to endure checkpoints that prohibit them from getting to work/home/family/whatever. They can be detained at any time for any reason by the Mexican military. They are forced to endure the cantonization and the settlement of their land by Mexican civilians that believe, beyond any logic or reason, that they are ENTITLED to that land because their RELIGION tells them so, despite the fact that you and your family and ancestors have lived there for thousands of years.
So they fight back against the occupying force. Would you agree that those Californians are "terrorists"? I wouldn't... But you seem to want to.
i don't know who you are jono660, but you are obviously blinded with hatred.
i come in peace and you come with hate.
the arabs in israel live along side with us.
the ones in the west bank are free to live their life, and we are waiting for a peace process. there's no trust among the sides, it's not easy and been going a long time.
as much as you want to display all the achievements made by the israeli state as part of some kind of an evil plan on the back of the arabs, thats not the case. we've taken care of our education and economy, thats the story.
we provide most of the electricity to the west bank and gaza. we provide bank services and mobile phone services. we supply the water through our national company. and all those think while we are still being attacked.
the west bank belonged to jordan before 67'. jordan didn't want it back. not even in the peace process.
jordan, at start, wasn't a part of the 67 war. they were convinced by egypt to join the war and so they engaged the israeli army.
by the way, east jerusalem was a part of jordan too before 67, but they didn't want it back. but don't worry, still, every government in israel is willing to give east jerusalem for the palestinians in a peace process.
for a long time now gaza is not occupied with any one.
just recently 10.05.10 the "ARAB BANK" left gaza living her disconnected from the economic world because it feared the Aid money transfered to gaza will be taken by the hamas, and used not for food and growth. it's the "ARAB BANK" who did this. not israel.
children who needs special surgery's are transfered to israel for treatment.
the arab lands in israel remain arab lands under arab municipality and under israeli government. arabs are citizens of israel and work within it's borders.
gaza border is currently closed. hamas doesn't want to recognize the israeli state and keep harming our citizens.
please don't forget that gaza have a border with egypt.
egypt is also keeping it's border shut with gaza. their even building a barrier preventing from digging tunnels. it's EGYPT doing this, not israel.
the palestinian propeganda keeps displaying the world a picture which in - the israelis are killing arabs on a daily basis and for no reason. well, since oferet yetzuka (over a year now) not a foot of israeli soldier stepped in gaza, but rockets, by hamas into israel, still were fired.
hamas is operated and funded by iran and syria. there's no connection between the palestinain struggle and the activity of hamas.
we, the people in israel, welcome any person from any state from any religion, just as long as they don't mean harm.
you don't except me? you want to hurt me? i won't stand aside and do nothing.
if you want to talk - ahalan wasahalan.
we want peace.
Please make the correction and insertions in the rest of your document on the basis of the sample paragraph done for you below:
... Some of you may be cynical and say that we made all this on the back of the Arab population but we didn't, ... er ... except only that we actually did. we have no natural resources on this land on which the Palestinians lived nor we ever had, but we had a dream to build a home for the Jewish people which turned out to be on the backs of the Palestinians after all, we invested in a peaceful education for the invaders, that is, us and we brought our minds together and made it work ... er ... yes, again, on the back of the Arab population, much of which we expelled, but we try not to think too much about it while we brag about our contributions to the world.
Milton, that's absolute rubbish about socialism and france. Which socialist government are you referring to, and how did it work? ... If anything, scandinavian countries provide the greatest evidence of success of social democracy, particularly in sweden. It's already been proven that the American system is a dismal failure, and the last 50 years have been an exercise in increasing consumption without production, i.e. an illusion, and it's all falling apart... Americans hear the world 'socialism' and it makes them crazy. It must be the cold war ... In reality, socialism doesn't work, but then again, providing essential services to those who need it (such as healthcare) is not socialism ... Americans just label it that, and then freak out about it...
Erez, it's been proven throughout history that the stronger side will oppress the weaker in a confict. Can you deny that this is a conflict?, can you deny that the Palestinian people are oppressed. You've already admitted that Isreal are the stronger side here.
The world is messed up...
Since everything has been said above me i won't write here about who's right or wrong. only my point of view as a citizen of israel.
we are a fully developed country. are economy is in good shape and people here usually just think about living their life.
not a single person here in israel want to see anyone hurt or killed or have a motive for such things to happen.
some of you may be cynical and say that we made all this on the back of the arab population but we didn't. we have no natural resources on this land nor we ever had, but we had a dream to build a home for the jewish people, we invested in a peaceful education and we brought our minds together and made it work. as a little boy i learned in class about peace and the white dove as all children my age have.
i love my beautiful country and i'm very sad to hear people calling me satanist.
the israeli contribution to the world in many things like technology and agriculture are well known around the world, so its obvious we desperately want to see israel progressing and living in peace, not claiming some sort of land to itself, so is my leaders!
israel, including the leadership (as hard for you to believe) wants to see the arabs declare independence but at the same breath will not tolerate any harm to its citizens as any other nation will not.
we have withdrawn from gaza without any agreement in the hope that this gesture will bring peace closer. but instead we got rockets on civilian population.
the rockets fell for 8 years, our leaders did nothing to really prevent them, the risk of fighting in a populated area prevented them from trying such a thing. eventually, last year, after 8 years of rockets there was no other choice. we went in and then out. the images are horrible but we tried different things for 8 years. no one could stand rockets for 8 years with no response. the rockets have stopped and now we are back at the table.
At end of things it's a complicated matter where both sides have made mistakes, but the great hatred most of you (and apparently the world) have for the jewish state and people is not in place.
we ARE the strong side. it DOES come out badly in the camera lens. the reporters love the story of the weak against the strong because thats the story people want to see, but sadly it's not that simple.
can you think of a story where you love the strong side? nobody loves the strong side. it's not ethical. i'm not saying you should hate the palestinians too, because you shouldn't.
it's a mixture of culture differences and bad history and we are trying hard to work things out. because we have no other choice.
Its quite interesting how alot of us know all this stuff here in the USA; to some extent. Its the fact we feel some type of right to be elite among the world that keeps us from feeling remorse about it all. To american's the world goes on; as long as we can still live better than the rest; as a society we simply dont care. I am individual in thought however. I strictly oppose communism; and imperialism. I dont recognize social democracy as a reality because its only a new deceitful name to cover the existence of a monarchy-based imperialism controlling the USA and England. So far Socialism has only worked[to some extent] in France ; and i challenge anyone to prove me wrong about france.
Agree with Spexxy here. Oppressed people will fight. I'm completely thankful that I don't have to live under these conditions, and feel compassion for innocent and decent/kind people who have to suffer from both sides, but the balance in this region weighs very heavily on the israeli side as the oppressors. Free Palestine.
Subee, how on earth is it the onus of the oppressed and occupied to take the first step towards peace? Doesn't a modicum of dignity have to be afforded to them before any of that is possible?
Your concern of the lives of Israeli children before Palestinian children is blatant. Your argument is much like saying that a person should stop hurling stones when a massive tank is killing his people, destroying his home and his culture.
"You lie in the Occupation 101.
TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH –IF YOU DARE.
ONLY COWARDS BLOW UP INNOCENT PEOPLE." - SUBEE
Ever heard of Irgun or the King David Hotel bombings?
All all above,
Although it is important to understand how these people have come to such violence, I don't approve or condone the violence from either side. The degree of violence happening there is completely beyond my understanding (here in Canada) The issues of ownership of the land should be decided buy governing bodies, (I know, easier said then done). Instead it appears (through my very limited knowledge) that the people are left to fight things out. And as in any other situation the strongest may prevail.
Children do not have a political adgenda, much less an enforceable opinion about land or religion. We should be protecting them! No israeli or palestine children should die.
Although this documentary is certainly highlighting the Palestine side, I can assume that there is always more to the story. Regardless, I believe a solution can be found and my certainty is greater than the ones that doubt. I would love to see some creative solutions offered rather than read other's comments that are trying to prove who is right and who is wrong. We get no where with that.
This is a great documentary. It should be aired in prime time to all westernized counties, this way the American tax paying people could see how their government suports terrorism/ethnic cleansing/genocide. Expose and shame these zionist pigs.
There is no point to violence. This is an excellent documentary. The Palestinian people have been raped.
So what can us westerners do about it?, pass it on of course.
I believe we have the power to spread awarness . We need to aid our people in need. Let them not be forgotten.
For those Jews that says this land is promised from God, Yes he promised ones and they got it too according to the scriptures, but they lose it because of there stone hearted against there God, according to the scriptures. No more promise was made again.
Think if native Indians whit help of china, Japan and Russia take over the US. DO Israel thinks this is okey ?
Awesome documentary. Serves to offset the relentless zionist propaganda machine; for those without blinkers on anyway.
I love judaism and hebrew culture.
I despise zionism and its imperialistic racist war machine.
VIVA Palestinian Resistance!!!
A very well made documentary. Must watch
-"It is anti semitism when you make up facts and have special definitions and standards for Israel" - what? Are you serious? and specifically what definitions and standards in his statement are you referring to?
-"people in Texas are Texans and those in Virginia are Virginians" what? they are not Americans? or even better, seeing as you want to bring a persons religious affiliation into it ie "palestinian jews" would they then not be American christians or texan christians?
"President Assad referred to Israel as Southern Syria". So then by using his statement to back up your argument you are accepting that Israel is indeed Southern Syria? And he most definately had an agenda there.
-"Paletinians were/are forcefully removed from their homes". You are saying that this statement is wrong. So the media coverage of these evictions is not to be believed in this instance yet you wanted us to use the media as a source of information in your previous statement. Seems to me you are picking and choosing here. I am also totally convinced that they are seeing israeli soldiers at their doors now. To choose to stay in your home in the face of military aggression when you have more or less no military defence/protection of your own is not just stupid it could be fatal.
-"Occupation of what? Former land of the now defunct Ottoman Empire allocated for the Jewish state?" what are you saying here? That all land formerly encompassing the ottoman Empire is now fair game for military expansion whether or not it was sanctioned by the UN. And you should be careful with your constant use of UN mandates to validate your arguments because as it stands today you are in violation of more UN mandates than any other country in the world- FACT. picking and choosing again are we?
Instaed of constantly giving vague reference to documentation easily accesible which proves your argument, why not detail them exactly and of course these should not be israeli/arab publications in the interest of unbiased reporting.
-Israel continues to demolish Palestinian homes and other buildings to build settlements in land that does not belong to them- Fact”
>> WRONG Again!
I have to disagree with this and would ask you give some details of where these figures come from because according to The Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitions, they estimate that some 24,145 Palestinian homes have been demolished in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza since 1967 this information was correct as of July 4, 2009.
-“Israel uses Palestinians as Human shields- Fact”
>> WRONG Again!
To be honest I dont really want to touch on this subject as im pretty sure the figures here would bear out your argument. However, using Phosphorus grenades in and around a civilian population is a violation of international law and is indefensible for the largest military power in the region, not to mention inaccurate. But this is probably better left here, as to do this justice we would need to go into the invasion of Gaza and im pretty sure you would struggle to defend that action.
-"It’s misleading to call a security barrier between terrorists and their innocent civilian targets a wall when it’s 97% fence. The other 3% is a wall".
I could not find data to support your figures on this.
However, in July of 2004 the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at the Hague gave an advisory (non-binding) ruling that declared the barrier violates international law, because its route does not take sufficient account of the suffering caused to Palestinians. The court further ruled that any part of the barrier built on the Palestinian side of the Green Line is illegal. Israel rejected the ICJ opinion. Nonetheless, the Israel High Court has ruled many sections of the barrier to be illegal because the route does not provide the proper balance between security needs and hardship to the population. This, along with US pressure, has caused the Israel government to revise the route of the barrier several times, including moving sections that were already built. It would seem that your jusdiciary is finding it difficult to defend this so called security barrier.
-"Thank God so many Muslim, Christian and Jewish lives have been saved by the barrier. No terrorism = No security barrier. THIS IS FACT!" I am absolutely certain God had no hand it the construction of said barrier. But if you have evidence to the contrary please do tell.
-"As for the term ‘Palestinian Land,” good luck finding reference to it before 1967". With the exception of the Bible im pretty certain you will find it difficult to find reference to the state of Israel before May 14th 1948.
-Palestinians get 3rd class treatment all over the occupied land by having fewer employment(check the stats sunshine), Absurdly low pay(check them again), third world health care care, and so on and on.””
>> WRONG Again!
You are wrong here. The employment figures are dreadful for the palestinians as is the pay. yes there are examples of equality but they are few and far between. And you keep overlooking the fact that they are forced to live their lives by your leave. You control water, electricity, all movement of shipping and aircraft, and they have no say in these areas which affect their lives so immensely. Wake up. Do you really believe the opposite....really?
Would you put up with having that little control over your own existence because of the actions of the minority?
-"Research the Arab League’s Khartoum conference and its directives".
Now you seem like an intelligent person, don't you feel that in the interest of lasting peace israel should have offered to pull back from the west bank and gaza? it would at least have made it easier for the Arabs not to have said "Three No's, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it." It would have been a humiliating climb down for them and would probably have ushered in even more radical governments in the respective countries. If you disagree with me here then perhaps you wont disagree with Avi Shlaim, who has different views on the outcome.
-Quoting Abba Eban to shore up your arguments is like quoting Hitler to defend nazism.
-"What kind of uninformed person rants that Israel is expansionist while ignoring the return of land won in defensive wars as a bold risk for peace". What!?..... Surely the first and second world wars were defensive. By your reasoning then all of Germany would still be in Russian, British and American hands, all of Korea and Japan would be annexed by the US and Palestine/Israel/Southern Syria would still be a British Mandate. Should I mention Iraq here?
- I'll tell you what frightens me. That someone such as yourself is completely and totally unable to critisise any his country's actions over this issue to date. Not to see the wholly unequal treatment of a third world people on its door step. And those crazy yanks gave you the Bomb. The thought of your paranoid dusty little country having a button to push is truly terrifying!
-lastly. My Grandfathers fought very hard to liberate europe, one was even shot through the hand for passing water through a fence to a Jew whilst he was a prisoner. The western governments worked hard to find a solution to your particular "intransigence" problem after the war. And the US/UK governments still protect you today.
My question to you- What have you and yours ever done to assist my people. (British but Scottish really) that comes even close to the help we have given you?
Please don't mention the suez crisis, that would be a mistake as Anthony Eden did not survive that debacle because the British public held him to account for our actions there. Actions which we as a nation and a people were able to see as being wholly disproportionate and shameful.
A quote from Ariel Sharon as Foreign Minister, he was referring to the israeli settlements. "everyone there should move, should run, should grab more hills, expand the territory. Everything thats grabbed will be in our hands, everything we dont grab will be in theres".
Regards, Ryan a proud Scot.
“What an odd and stupid post.”
>> Ivan is right! There is an odd and stupid post with unsubstantiated propaganda. It’s his.
“You want people to tell the whole truth, and you seem to think you know it, but you are WILLINGLY ignorant of the truth. Here is the truth.”
>> “the truth?” or rather Ivan’s particular truth that validates his bigotry? And no, criticism of Israel is not automatically anti-Semitism. It is anti-Semitism when you make up “facts” and have special definitions and standards for Israel.
“Before The creation of the Israeli state, the majority of the people living there were Palestinians- Fact”
>>WRONG! ALL the people, every last one, were Palestinians the same as people living in Texas are Texans and people in Virginia are Virginians. Believe the Arab scholars, political leaders, and religious leaders who gave official testimony to international organizations from the 1930s through Israel’s rebirth that there was no such thing as Palestine or Palestinians. Beyond that President Assad of Syria made speeches that Israel was actually Southern Syria and that Arabs in Palestine were Syrians. Investigate the media, journals, and textbooks of the day and you’ll find that it was Palestinian Jews that were mentioned. THIS IS FACT! (Caps are for Rob/grow up)
“Palestinians were forcefully moved out of their homes and oppressed to make room for the Jews- Fact”
>> WRONG! Research contemporary documents and media and you’ll find that the majority of Arabs in Palestine who left never saw Israeli soldiers. If your propaganda was true it would be proof that the Israelis were woefully inefficient as the Arabs who chose to remain are now 20% of the Israeli citizens. THIS IS FACT!
“Palestine and their neighbors rebelled to the occupation and were beaten back by Israel and the U.S. Then Israel took it upon them to further their occupation by taking territory not given to them by the UN in 1948. That occupied land is not recognized by the UN as Israeli Land- Fact”
>> WRONG! Occupation of what? Former land of the now defunct Ottoman Empire allocated for the Jewish state? The rest of the eastern part of the Mandate was offered by the UN for another Arab country but it was rejected with an all-or-nothing stance by Arab leaders. The Arabs living in the Mandate area officially designated for Israel had been engaged in attempted genocide since the 1920s. Elementary research supports this statement. School children can easily find documentation to prove that the Arab league and neighboring Arab states, several also created from former Ottoman land, declared their goal of exterminating the Jews! THIS IS FACT!
“Israel continues to demolish Palestinian homes and other buildings to build settlements in land that does not belong to them- Fact”
>> WRONG Again! Have you heard of zoning ordnances, eminent domain, or public land? More Israel homes are demolished for unlicensed building than for Arabs. Are you advocating that Arabs can build homes without permits on land they don’t own but Jews can’t build even on land they purchased? THIS IS FACT! Sounds like religious apartheid.
“Israel uses Palestinians as Human shields- Fact”
>> WRONG Again! …to an extent. The may be examples of soldiers violating procedure who used civilians as shields but they are the exception. Arabs using human shields is the rule. Arabs who indoctrinate their children that to die while serving as a human shield for terrorists trying to kill Jews is a righteous act of martyrdom are obscenely committing child abuse. I do believe the Arab leaders who brag about the use of human shields and the love of death being instilled in their children.
“Israel is building a wall to encircle the west bank so that Palestinians can not enter or leave- Fact”
>> WRONG Again! It’s misleading to call a security barrier between terrorists and their innocent civilian targets a wall when it’s 97% fence. The other 3% is a wall where fences can’t protect people from snipers. It’s stupid to say that a barrier on only one side of an area completely encircles it. NO barrier exists along Jordanian border. No barrier existed until terrorism got out of hand. Thank God so many Muslim, Christian and Jewish lives have been saved by the barrier. No terrorism = No security barrier. THIS IS FACT!
“Israel is committing calculated ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian populations and rape of Palestinian Land. Fact”
>> WRONG Again! If your accusation were correct then it’s pretty sure those darn Israeli’s aren’t any good at ethnic cleansing. After all, the population figures for Palestinian Arabs have been increasing like rabbits. (check the stats sunshine) As for the term ‘Palestinian Land,” good luck finding reference to it before 1967. To the world, which happens to include Arabs, anyone living in the region of Palestine was called a Palestinian. Newspapers worldwide referred to “Palestinian Jews.” By the way, it’s not difficult to find contemporary evidence of Arabs crying insult when called Palestinian and demanded to be instead recognized as part of the Arab nation, or southern Syrians. THIS IS FACT!
“Israel routinely murders innocent people in Israel but it’s only acknowledged when a war breaks out in which case the number of civilians dead on the Palestinian side is almost 50% – Fact”
>> WRONG Again! Unbelievable hogwash. Anyone committing murdering is brought to trial and there’s no rejoicing in the streets as happens after women and children are slaughtered by Arab terrorists. Not even like action caught on camera when Arabs celebrated the World Trade Center bombings. No Jew or any civilized person would conduct themselves in such a manner. You 50% figure doesn’t hold up under even a trace of investigations. (check the stats sunshine) THIS IS FACT!
“Just “Palestinians get 3rd class treatment all over the occupied land by having fewer employment(check the stats sunshine), Absurdly low pay(check them again), third world health care care, and so on and on.””
>> WRONG Again! Indeed economics deteriorated after civilian affairs were turned over to the Palestinian Authority as a major Israeli concession for peace. Unfortunately the vast amount of aid money went not for nation building but rather was directed toward destroying a nation, Israel. This was indeed unfortunate since by every standard, life improved dramatically during Israel’s governance of the disputed territories. (check the record sunshine)
“You’re right when you say that cowards blow up innocent people. However, it’s a bit hard to ask a Palestinian to support peace when he sees his family and people humiliated at checkpoints on a daily basis.”
>> WRONG Again! So if you are humiliated when someone is trying to save lives it’s ok with you to kill people? Only a psychopath would consider that the only option. Sane people would work towards ending the terrorism which resulted in life saving measures being instituted. And just why are the checkpoints in place and whose actions determine when they are removed? There were few if any checkpoints and freedom of movement back an forth with thousands employed in Israel before Arab leadership unleashed terrorism against Israel after conventional warfare failed to accomplish the oft stated goal of killing all the Jews and destroying their homeland.
“Those who “blow themselves up” do so out of anger and hatred because the world has forgotten them and Israel is destroying them.
>> WRONG Again! Absurd. Over a hundred million legitimate refugees have been resettled since WWI, many in cultures alien to them. Yet the few hundred thousand Arabs from the former British Mandate of Palestine have been refused return to a normal life by a leadership who views their condition as a political issue rather than a humanitarian one. Research the Arab League’s Khartoum conference and its directives.
“The Palestinians couldn’t possibly do this because they don’t have their state, a state promised to them over 50 years ago that still doesn’t exist.”
>> At least you’re consistent. Wrong! Israeli statesman Abba Eban once said, “Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.” Arabs controlled every square inch of land they now demand for another state yet formed organizations like the Palestinian Liberation Organization. To liberate what? Their all-or-nothing attitude has yielded diminished possibilities ever since the 1938 Peel Commission. Lest we forget, Palestinians do have a state. After it was created their identity became Israelis and they were joined by Arab Jews who were expelled from the middle east and north Africa as well as the remnants of European Jewry. The resurrection of Israel happen not because of the holocaust, but despite it. Twenty years later the Arabs from that region decided to identify themselves by the label they once vehemently denied existed, Palestinian. All they have to do to gain sovereignty over another new Arab country is NOTHING! No terrorism! No instilling love of martyrdom and hatred of Jews in their children. Nothing!
>> Regards Sunshine from Mikep, a proud Zionist who believes in objective truth and not lies and misconceptions repeated long enough until people believe they’re true. Your response, which will be predictably trite, groundless, contain straw dog constructions and will attempt to distract readers from the core issue, genocidal Arab religious apartheid and intransigence, is eagerly awaited.
p.s. What kind of uninformed person rants that Israel is expansionist while ignoring the return of land won in defensive wars as a bold risk for peace. The same kind that is ignorant to the demographics of Israel: a plurality of citizens are from the Middle East and North Africa; one in five citizens are Arab Muslims; and a growing number of new citizens are from Ethiopia. What kind of person? - Ask Rob and EasyRider.
I have a feeling that "SUBEE" didn't even watch the video. They mention the "pushing into the sea" bit and say how false it is, considering that Israel is the one pushing Palestine into the sea. They mention the Israeli children killed, in comparison to the vast majority of Palestinian children killed. All Arabs want is to be f*cking left alone! All Arabs want is the power to control their own lives!
If you opress a people, they will fight back. PERIOD! It's as simple as that. Why is it so hard for people to understand this? There is absolutely no reason why Jews and Arabs can't share the Holy Land. It doesn't belong to one group and one group only, it belongs to everyone.
this doc is highly educational. it teaches of how Zion came to exist. I mean if that's some thing you knew and are for Israel's expansion, then you do not deserve the the freedom you have. it should be you who is isolated within the very lands your people before you ran free in.
if after you watch this and can side with Israel's illegal expansion, occupation, and military regime, which is the cause of this conflict (conflict's not even the word. the right word would be invasion.)well those people deserve to be locked in a cage were there favour of these inhumane actions may never be free.
i remember along time ago before i knew anything about israel or even what zionism meant i had a teacher from israel she served in the the army and i remember her saying how can people use their religios beliefs to kill people(this was during 9/11) and remember asking her what gives you the right to be in israel and she said in her religion god promised them the holy land. that never made sense to me?
A very good documentary that one can learn a lot from. Thank you producers and Vlatko for putting this up on your site.
The satanist illuminati was behind the protocol of learned of the elder zion, it means the israel occupation is a satanic action. Every good jewish knew that zionism is satanist.
Subee, whilst i might respect your views I am saddened and disgusted by the Zionist propoganda machine that constantly scout the media/net for any form critism of Isreal with a view to demonising them and presenting such views as anti-semitic. A bunch of facist Europeans may have caused a holocaust to the jews, but the real holocaust today has been unleashed by Zionists and their supporters. Hamas and the likes are the creation of Isreali injustice and Zionist policy. You reap what you sow. So start to get real with the truth. Americans should get to know the REAL truth and not rely on Zionist controlled media. We Americans need to get wise and realize where the problem really lies. Easy Rider
And as Rob kindly pointed out the obvious to anyone who doesn't live in a cave. The possibility of anyone pushing Israel into the see is laughable at best. It would never happen because no Arab state, yet alone the poor non-recognized Palestinian one, would be capable of such an immense feat.
It's a bit hard to take you seriously,SUBEE, when you produce such stupidity and lack of knowledge regarding this topic(Yet I can see from the large letters that you're passionate about)on a public website. I SERIOUSLY recommend that you do some research and find out the whole truth. The Oppressed have become the Oppressors and our American tax dollars fund it on a daily bases.
The occupation must end. Peace and Justice for Palestine!
"What about the killing of all the Isralie children, the killing of innocents.
All Arabs want to push the Nation of Israel into the sea!!!!
You lie in the Occupation 101.
TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH –IF YOU DARE.
ONLY COWARDS BLOW UP INNOCENT PEOPLE."
What an odd and stupid post. You want people to tell the whole truth, and you seem to think you know it, but you are WILLINGLY ignorant of the truth. Here is the truth.
Before The creation of the Israeli state,the majority of the people living there were Palestinians- Fact
Palestinians were forcefully moved out of their homes and oppressed to make room for the Jews- Fact
Palestine and their neighbors rebelled to the occupation and were beaten back by Israel and the U.S. Then Israel took it upon them to further their occupation by taking territory not given to them by the UN in 1948. That occupied land is not recognized by the UN as Israeli Land- Fact
Israel continues to demolish Palestinian homes and other buildings to build settlements in land that does not belong to them- Fact
Israel uses Palestinians as Human shields- Fact
Israel is building a wall to encircle the west bank so that Palestinians can not enter or leave- Fact
Israel is committing calculated ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian populations and rape of Palestinian Land. Fact
Israel routinely murders innocent people in Israel but it's only acknowledged when a war breaks out in which case the number of civilians dead on the Palestinian side is almost 50% - Fact
Palestinians get 3rd class treatment all over the occupied land by having fewer employment(check the stats sunshine), Absurdly low pay(check them again), third world health care care, and so on and on.
You're right when you say that cowards blow up innocent people. However, it's a bit hard to ask a Palestinian to support peace when he sees his family and people humiliated at checkpoints on a daily basis.
Those who "blow themselves up" do so out of anger and hatred because the world has forgotten them and Israel is destroying them. It's not excusable but who is more guilty? Those few who blow themselves up or a RECOGNIZED state committing even worse atrocities to the point where the UN wanted to impose sanctions on them? The Palestinians couldn't possibly do this because they don't have their state, a state promised to them over 50 years ago that still doesn't exist.
Greetings from Michigan. To hell with Zionism.
I THINK IT IS A GREAT, EDUCATIONAL MOVIE. It tries to give us an idea of how and why this occupation started. ANOTHER GOOD ONE TO WATCH IS LIFE IN OCCUPIED PALESTINE.
I think it is so ironic that Jews, who were murdered and repressed during WWII, were so quick to become murderers and repressors at the first chance they got. I am just a fairly ignorant American, trying to become more educated on world events...past and present. But it seems obvious to me that the abusees have become the abusers. That is tragic.
Instead of just claiming that the doco tells lies subee why don't you detail some of those lies I dare you I double dare you.Only murdering scum hide behind historical atrocities against European Jews to justify the slow but sure strangling of the native population of Palestine-and sometimes not so slow-the 4th most powerful army in the world,using modern jets,helicopters,tanks,missiles,artillery,navy-kills without mercy a trapped,unarmed civilian population.In your pathetically shallow view you stoutly claim a huge lie-that the Arab states want to push Nuclear armed US backed,ethnic cleansing,land stealing Israel,with the aforementioned 4th most powerful army into the sea,with CAPITALS AND EXCLAMATION MARKS!!! grow up.
Funny thing subee is that israel has been pushing the arab people to that extreme due to israel's "expansion."
Also the whole point of this documentary was to tell it from the other side. I think everybody knows that some extremist arab groups are killing innocents, but the main problem, as the documentary shows, is that nobody knows how it all started. I blame it on anti-semiticism that was abundant in europe after WWI and WWII. Both mainly from Britain and Germany. So case in point much like the Israelis being pushed around by europe and fighting back is quite like what the Palestinians are doing; everyone has a breaking point and really what did Israel expect?
What about the killing of all the Isralie children, the killing of innocents.
All Arabs want to push the Nation of Israel into the sea!!!!
You lie in the Occupation 101.
TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH --IF YOU DARE.
ONLY COWARDS BLOW UP INNOCENT PEOPLE.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah blah blah. If you hadn't stolen their land and started the killing, they wouldn't have been forced to fight back. It's called SELF DEFENSE! It applies to them as well as you.