# How Long is a Piece of String?

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Alan Davies discovers that answering that question is much harder than he originally thought after visiting mathematician Marcus du Sautoy to help him find an answer. However, this creates more questions, which requires a trip to a place dedicated to measurement, the National Physics Laboratory.

Finding out the exact length of the string proves even more troublesome when Marcus proposes the string could be infinitely long, thanks to the theory of fractals. After leaving Marcus, Alan visits a physics teacher to see if measuring the string in atoms can help him find an answer. However, this means exploring Quantum Mechanics.

Alan goes to a lab to explore the theory of Quantum Mechanics in more detail to see if his string can be in two places at once, confusing him even further. Still no closer to an answer Alan is introduced to the theory that his string may have multiples lengths at the same time, all with the help of a stuffed cat. Alan doesn't believe Quantum Mechanics is important on a basic scale, but photosynthesis and the ability to smell might just change his mind.

If Alan was to find the most accurate way of measuring his string he could theoretically create a black hole. Trying to find the solution to this question has been a philosophical journey for Alan, but he still visits Marcus du Sautoy to tell him his personal answer.

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Victor Redlick
7 years ago

My beloved mother of blessed memory received her elementary school education in eastern Europe in the 1920s and 30s. When, one day, I interrupted her by asking "How long is a piece of string?", in reference to something she had been saying, her matter-of-fact response was, ".. from one end to the other."
The following is an excerpt of an email I sent to a friend:
This Sunday evening, at 7:00 p.m., I happened to switch to TVOntario and there was a promo for a show coming up called, HOW LONG IS A PIECE OF STRING?, with the foremost mathematicians in the world answering the question, according to their expert abilities.
I just thought you may like to let the producer of the piece know that all they would have had to do is ask Ruth z"l. You could have saved all that time and documentation by calling her.
Or me. I heard her.

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darransus
10 years ago

Half as long as its length

Defrim
10 years ago

The answer is 2?r. Why - take your string form it into a circle , then the circumference of the circle is the length of the string I.e 2 x ? x r. .... Defs Theorem

Carla Mclachlan
10 years ago

I was a bit frustrated at watching this as I now have a whole bunch of questions - it starts with the laser beam and showing it in 2 places at once when passed through 2 slits. I can see the end measurement with the stripes, but what happens if you were to measure the start, what does that look like? Is it actually just one particle? Or are there many particles in that one ray? Anyone??

Sean Scott
11 years ago

I have known the answer to this since I was 10: How long is a piece of string? Exactly twice as long as half its length.

devlinwaugh
11 years ago

on my last comment basically if you are allowed to be your own judge juror and critic exuberant mathematical calculations allow anything to be possible(run away science) and community getting a lot of funding.I cannot pass through a wall even tho my mass is 100000000000000000 times smaller than a pin head.But it cannot be proven why i cannot pass through a wall so i can state that mathematically and prove it is possible in numbers but not reality,i hope you get my drift and hope that science moves on quickly.Nothing has been discovered in science other than e=mc2 i cant wait for the next genius,all we have are people walking down streets coming back with the answers that were given by Albert .The true scientists even say we have come to a dead end now we need to manipulate what we know and let the rest go,one said we have matter manipulation and if we invested all our resources we could in 400 years make anything we wanted by the click of a switch.

devlinwaugh
11 years ago

watched this a year ago Alan Davis is a cute comedian none welsh of middle class education, from a good background but lacked the lust of education like many in youth.Most adults in later life strive for education leaving others behind and more elders should go back into education just for the exam pass to be speculative of the run away mathematical lies that are prevalent at the moment in all science..

Cabot Circus
11 years ago

Does anyone know where can I watch "Alan and Marcus Go Forth and Multiply"?

Aaylsworth
11 years ago

Not bad, covers some interesting theories and mathematics... 7/10.

VoxFox
11 years ago

The concept of fractals is a purely mathematical idea based on the bogus idea of 'real' numbers (numbers with an infinite number of digits). The real world is discrete - there are only a finite number of atoms in a piece of any matter - including string. There is a finite distance between atoms, so there is a finite length to the string. All the rest is pseudo-science, mumbo-jumbo built on Platonic idealism. Time to upgrade to reality.

12 years ago

Seriously watching the first 10 minutes of a guy saying "look I have string, or do I?"
Really doesn't make it easy to watch.
Making it understandable okay, but dumbing it down that bad is just horrible.

za
12 years ago

A great approach to science and math teaching. Get a witty skeptic to say all the things we would say, presented with the seeming silliness of science, and tear down all that you can, to leave what's really worthy of it.

Should be done with religion too. Actually, has been.

Amabio
12 years ago

topographical => topological...sorry, my mind wonders while I speak/type sometimes.

Amabio
12 years ago

Before you begin, the mathematical 'lengths' discussed at the beginning were topographical lengths. Actual, measurement of those in the real world does not apply; a coffee cup is equivalent to a donut.

Amabio
12 years ago

Luckily, they focused on physicist; this program would have been over, before it began with mathematicians on a piece of string. The string is L in length; yes, but I have a different piece of string; so, that's L1 and L2, problem solved. But,....how long is it? It's L.

Amabio
12 years ago

I meant literal blind, btw.

Amabio
12 years ago

Yavanna,

You have an extra closed parenthesis in your equation...jacking it up. As you must know (unless you are blind), there are no videos for experts; only videos to inspire people to become experts. Experts are made through study of books.

Amabio
12 years ago

I loved how they archived the piece of string, Indiana Jones style, at the end. Very excellent vid and series, I've seen it before. Hopefully, it has encouraged someone, or two, to venture into the incredible realms of maths and science, and help all of us along our journey of discovery.

azilda
12 years ago

hum! ha ha ha ha

Mantram
12 years ago

How do you know you are alive? Maybe we all are dead cats dreaming we are people? : D

Mantram
12 years ago

: D

But I am serious; Of course the cat knows if it´s alive or dying/dead? Then the cat´s consciosness of course make that observation (and the "probabilty waves" break down) before we open the box!! I think it´s strange that no-one in all books I´ve read in this matter ever have understood this! : )

(English is not my native tounge...)

Achems Razor
12 years ago

@Mantram:

Ha,Ha, need some humour once in a while, tell me, how will the cat know that it is dead??

Mantram
12 years ago

I think the cat knows if it´s dead or alive and that makes the prob. wave break down. : )

charles1957b
12 years ago

BBC the real weight (mass) of matter IS in the atomic center, the nucleus, with it's protons and neutrons, and at the same time if we only took that portion of the all the atoms of Earth (nuclei), they could fit into something like the size of say an orange, but it would still have the weight of the whole earth. What we see and feel with the spread out nuclei in our spread out world, I like to visualize as energy fields. The field associated with objects repels physical penetration and various energy penetrations such as an apple reflecting red light in the visible light spectrum. Chemical bonds between atoms present these barriors to sight and touch, and give us the structure of objects that we sense. I hope this helps clarify for you.
We as humans can only sense through touch and site only extremely large numbers of these repelling bonds, even for the smallest objects we can see or feel. I guess with the exception of smelling at the sub-atomic level, which I never knew before.

Karen I've always understood black matter to be collections of protons/neutrons stripped of their associated electrons via tremendous gravity, like the Earth reduced to the orange size described above. It's been a long time since I've been to school, so these ideas may have been long since surpassed, by new visualizations. The tremendous gravitational effects of black matter however attest to it's presence.

Coyote03
13 years ago

Informative and entertaining, definitely worth a watch! :)

Karen
13 years ago

Nobody understands black matter yet. That's why it's called black matter. They know it is there, there is a lot of it but you can't see it or precisely measure it.

Nobodies Right
13 years ago

Gotta check your formula again Yvanna, shouldn't 6 O's be going to water? Cancel that hydrogen gas?

BBC
13 years ago

Thanks everyone for the help. I read some stuff from NASA astrophysicists, and well it is non-comprehendable on my part. Where does this energy that holds the atoms together come from? Do the atoms themselves create this energy?

Yavanna
13 years ago

Tara

It seems Alan is now starting to get involved in documentaries. I`ve found one more so far:

"Go forth and multiply" It's on You Tube but I will submit it to Vlatko for upload.

13 years ago

I really enjoyed the simplicity of this doc trying to explain a complex theory.
Interstingly 2500 years ago Buddah has stated that,
'.......all things have no fixed identity ('inherent existence') and are are in a state of impermanence - change and flux - constantly becoming and decaying. Not only are all things constantly changing, but if we analyse any phenomenon in enough detail we come to the conclusion that it is ultimately unfindable, and exists purely by definitions in terms of other things - and one of those other things is always the mind which generates those definitions...'

Yavanna
13 years ago

Tara

You wont find Davies in any documentaries - he is a comedic actor. Whilst very well known in the UK for being in a panel show called QI: his only other claim to fame is being a sort of magician in a BBC series called "Jonathon Creek" If you like him search YouTube for "QI."

Tara
13 years ago

What other documentaries has Davie's been in? He said he'd been in one previously but I've search and cannot find a thing!

Yavanna
13 years ago

I forget the site name but achems sent me to a really good one that showed very simple explanations of QT. It had a cartoony professor explaining it all.

Joe_nyc
13 years ago

Hopefully, he can grasp the idea of "existing in different places at same time" better than me.

Yavanna
13 years ago

Well you caught me on the hop there with my sweeping statement! I was thinking about the Quantum theory stuff but I suppose this doc does also touch on fractals etc.... and by "out there" I meant on TDF....

Joe_nyc
13 years ago

Yavanna

"Any ways an entertaining doc but there are better out there."

Do tell us what others(docs) are out there.

Yavanna
13 years ago

It was a custard explosion Eric. "Dude" got it - I suspect he cheated and watched the show previously :)

Blax but how far down the rabbit hole should we go?

Erik
13 years ago

oxidation of glucose into carbondioxid and hydrogen gas?^^

blaxparx
13 years ago

Shows like this are just silly. Maybe good for a laugh or two. To ask physicists about such things is very silly. Do you actually believe that in a thousand years people will believe what these people have to say? That we'll still have these same concepts of reality? I hardly think so. Quantum mechanics will be a footnote in the history books by then. Other, more elegant, ideas will come along and they, too, will end up being footnotes along the way. Do you want to be entertained? Go read Alice in Wonderland...

Achems Razor
13 years ago

You can also Google, Wikipedia- "Electromagnetic Force"

Electromagnetic force holds all matter together.

If you want to delve deeper Google- "Quantum Theory-Mozilla Firefox".

Yavanna
13 years ago

Well without watching the Doc again I imagine what you are referring to is the convergence of atoms to former dense matter. It is explained that atoms are mostly empty space. If atoms are bombarded together their ions get stuck. They effectively clump together. Imagine snowflakes falling around you then gathering lots up then squeezing them in your hand. What was once mostly air is now condensed into a much denser material.

I`m not particular scientifically minded perhaps someone else could explain better.

I could cut and paste the real science here; but easier for you to google "how does dense matter form."

BBC
13 years ago

I'm confused, is that not what they are trying to show?

Yavanna
13 years ago

100 Bonus points to Dude! (There are QI clips on youtube - great show)

BBC empty space does not form dense matter, Where did you get that idea from.

Dude
13 years ago

@ Yavanne
is it custard exploding?

BBC
13 years ago

How can empty space form dense matter?

Achems Razor
13 years ago

@ Yavanna:

Photosynthesis!

Yavanna
13 years ago

Hint - fermentation would be too slow a process. No MORE HINTS!

Achems Razor
13 years ago

Fermentation?

Yavanna
13 years ago

OK hint

You have identified ONE ingredient. But you miss the obvious which is the reaction.

Achems Razor
13 years ago

@Yavanna:

Da*n it!...BEER!