Bloody Cartoons
Bloody Cartoons is a documentary about how and why 12 drawings in a Danish provincial paper could whirl a small country into a confrontation with Muslims all over the world.
He asks whether respect for Islam combined with the heated response to the cartoons is now leading us towards self-censorship. How tolerant should we be, he wonders, of the intolerant. And what limits should there be, if any, to freedom of speech in a democracy.
The director films in Lebanon, Iran, Syria, Qatar, France, Turkey and Denmark, talking to some of the people that played key roles during the cartoon crisis.
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hi,
thats a good investigative documentry about those persons ,who were stimulating things ,from both sides (what ever there views are,as they think).
i am a muslim ,and what ever a person say about these cartoons ,for there justification, its wrong. Cause its my faith ,and its my right.
those who burn the flags ,and embassy ,they think thats there right to do so ,cause they can ,what ever there stimulation was at that time ,its there mind set ,and most of all the understanding of religion .
freedom of expression is a different thing to them in the prospective of religion. they dont take religion as westren people do.
with all ,poverty or lack of education of what ever a westren person think the reason of this much anger ,is ,that the only have religion to think,act and live . with there firm point of view.
If they can’t stand that we like freedom of speech and want to make fun of things like religion, then they can just go back to Iraq where you don’t have freedom of speech and enjoy your fascism there instead of trying to export this fascism to Europe.
“Cause its my faith ,and its my right.”
-imran rabbani
Forcing your religious rules on other people is not your right. Threatening to kill those who make fun of your imaginary god is not your right.
Hey cannt we open up our mind and eyes ? Is it important to show respect others at least as a humanbeing? ya i do believe we have the freedom to express our feelings and views but it doesnt mean hamperring other emotions or faith if it is related to religion. We need to treat ourself on apolite way we need to be united rather making continious conflicts…………..
Thank God I’m an atheist!
Muslims don’t respect people that are not musmlim. So why should we respect those ******.
I’ve read many translations of different religious texts including the koran. When it comes to this religion I have had certain verses explained to me in depth by religious scholars(to avoid being called ignorant when I debate) and have yet to find a single person, muslim or other, who can refute the fact that this book contains verses which invite believers not only to hate and shun every non-muslim, but also to deceive them, hate them, fight them and even kill them. No interpretation is necessary. The words speak pretty clearly for themselves no matter which ‘version’ you happen to be reading. Don’t believe me? Try googling “koran verses on killing nonbelievers” and then cross reference the quoted segments against a genuine “muslim-approved” version of this book.
HAHAHAHA All you people really need to clean out your mind. lol
Koran LMFAO its Qur’an you ***** if your going to talk **** about something at least get your facts straight!!!
Talos… your right it does talk about killing of non Muslims… look at how the religion was passed down. it was kill or be killed. the people from mucca came over to madina to kill the muslims…what would u do sit there and lut them kill you your wife and kids….i dont think so. never have muslims started a war, never. there is no reference of killing people because they did not accept the religion. your responsible to invite that is it nothing more. it is not us that get you interested in the religion its god. all we do is show u what it is and u decide what to do. if you tell the dude to piss off, he might or he’ll keep referencing it. if you want to know more he can show you only if he/she has majored in that field. also an English translation is not at all correct. it not even close. there’s not enough word in English as compared to Arabic . one word can have may meanings. ie) luts say oafhoh that’s not a word but let us use that for now… that could have 30 meaning in Arabic and only 2 in English. it all depends on the sentence in witch it is being used in. redo your homework!!! it is not allowed its a sin to kill anything for no justifiable cause. may that be an ant or a a rhino. killing is wrong. now what happened on 911 is not an act of Islam that is the exact opposite of it. Ask any Muslim they’ll tell you this and more. you people think you know what we are about but you dont. before opening your big mouth look into what u want to know. dont be so argent. what you see on tv is not who we are. if that where true everyone would be dirt poor and on the verge of extinction. no one would care for anyone. to be a Muslim is not to only pray 5 times a day or have a beard. its taking care of the people around you. feeding the poor. donating to charities. its a must no questions ask. it doesn’t matter what colour you are or what religion you are if the person beside me is hungry and i have the means to provide them with a meal it is my duty to do so not just as a Muslim but as human. no one sees it because they dont want to. everyone is conforming to what they want. take some from here and there and put it all together. its all or nothing. its sad to see and read about people saying **** about other people and other religion. esspicially when they have no idea about the topic.
because of one jack *** the Muslims around the world have to listen too other peoples ****. keep it up. its not just coincidence that Islam is the #1 religion in the world. and growing. People are doing there homework they want to know why Muslims are so pissed at everyone… the funny thing is we are not. everyone’s pissed at us and people are starting to realize that. sooner or later we will know what is what.
so dont talk **** behind your cpu and get your facts straight, do your homework before you open your mouth, if you dont have anything nice to say say nothing at all,
life is to short spend time with family, friends, have convos with random people you learn alot about yourself.
give to charity’s and feed the hungry. humanity is not dead, its hibernating
Khan, I am much more informed than you give me credit for. I majored in religious studies and have traveled extensively in the middle east amongst other places. I have educated myself much more than the average person before I took this position against not just your religion, but all religions. Although I don’t read arabic text, I’ve conversed for endless hours with english speaking muslims who’ve represented just about every argument against my point of view. They have been unable to provide valid answers for the most basic questions I’ve asked regarding their faith which is much the same as the zealots of any other religion, although I must admit your people are even more fervent than the Christians, lol. The fact is, Khan, your faith is based on Christianity which in turn is based on Judaism and all three religions share contradictions between what is written and what is actually held to be truth. All three faiths give meaning to the words which aren’t there and completely fabricate concepts when it suits them and lends support to their “interpretation” of the words. All three religions advocate hatred and violence against others whether it be homosexuals, lepers, or infidels etc. . . . and all three speak of miracles and magic beings which cannot be proven. Let me finish by saying that you are wasting your time trying to convince me otherwise because I’ve INTELLIGENTLY analyzed your religious texts and precepts and found them to be false. Oh, and before you criticize my spelling of the word “koran” you should learn how to spell basic words and form proper sentences first.
dude i ant trying to convince you of anything…im just stating facts so the next person that gets pissed off about this doc. wont say something ****** and hateful. im glad u know more then the average Joe, thats sick… but still you cant understand the Qur’an in English and asking people what they think it means isnt going to get u the true meaning to the book. i read the english translation and i have to fix so many mistakes in it.
my spelling… i know is bad… im working on it but the book has a name and the name is spelled Qur’an not Koran … its like as if your name is Jason and i spell it Lason.Watch Dr.Zakir Naik if u havent already. he might answer some of your questions that other Muslims can not.
Khan, why do you seek to argue rather than educate and enlighten ?
Before answering, remember that it’s not right for you to judge others based on their opinions….
Antagonistic comments like “clean out your mind” and “get your facts straight” indicate that you are threatened by an opposing argument. Your insistence on the use by others of the Arabic “Qu’ran” rather rather than the anglicized “Koran” suggests not only a weakness in your own argument being masked with hostility, but also indicates an unwillingness to accept other points of view and an attempt at domination through intimidation.
What you are saying suggests that’s not the view of Islam you’re trying to portray, yet the tone of your comments say otherwise. If you are trying to act as a positive agent of the prophet, I’m afraid you’re not doing a very good job.
Your argument with respect to muslims not starting any wars is irrelevant – both sides of a conflict are responsible for perpetuating it. Perpetuating a conflict is morally corrupt (albeit easier) and is a blatant manifestation of the anthropological need to dominate. All religions use the primal fear of “the other” to achieve this.
Ever notice how human conflicts rarely end in a draw ? The conflict continues until one side dominates.
To all the moderate muslims out there:
Is Allah really so thin-skinned that he can’t stick up for himself and needs people here to commit violent acts against each other to protect his honor ?
If my house catches fire, I’m going to put it out. I’m not going to beseech my absentee landlord to come and put it out for me and I’m certainly not going to question whether it was a bad lamp or a candle that started it. And whether or not it was my own fault is of no consequence when putting it out.
Life is life – there is no judgment. It’s up to use to behave with respect and civility toward one another (regardless of what they think) simple because it’s the right thing to do, not because of some promised reward.
go youtube search Ahmad Deedat or Dr.zakir Naik and watch their debates against christian mishinaries and Other.
Here a Fact:
Over 20,000 AMERICANS CONVERT TO ISLAM Each year and its Growing
Children are taught to share, but as Western adults, it’s all about how much *you* can gain.
Children are ridiculed for having imaginary friends, but religion brainwashes to the opposite.
People only believe in their God because they have been taught it from birth, just like having a native language. People convert because they need external influences to tell them what to think and “membership” to a group that makes them feel that they belong.
Everybody should be able to think and speak, but if I think that you’re talking ****, I will tell you, and you can tell me.
Violence is for the losers.
Right at the beginning there is an angry muslim holding a banner which says ‘Freedom of expression go to hell’ – will he be the first to march into the flames with his pathetically ironic little banner then?
Do they include their freedom to express their anger in whatever stone-age, Neanderthal manner they impotently choose, like flag burning?
As pointed out by our fabulous English comedian Mr Mitchell……..
On burning the flag in front of the camera they shout ‘We burn your flag’. No, you bearded mesogonistic twat, it’s YOUR flag, you bought it, it’s YOURS. YOU are burning YOUR flag that YOU bought with YOUR money! HA!
We can’t help it if protesting muslim extremists look like a bad Monty Python sketch. I shall continue to feel free to express myself by laughing at them.
How embarrasing for decent moderate Muslims, who want to modernise and join the 21st century. Or for those who read the message of peace deftly hidden in the Koran and want an end to this backward culture.
Please let us turn our attention to these warmongering oil-worshipping leaders who prevent the cultivation of non-oil based energies and keep us enslaved to oil for their own benefit and stop fighting their wars and playing into their politics.
Hashim Khan is a typical Muslim who wants as to learn Arabic to understand the koran. Fact Judaism came first, then Christianity third Islam. Islam is a copycat of both Christianity and Judism.
I think that western world is hypocrite because they can’t tolerate Holocaust denial :P
On the subject of Islam (Mohammedanism) Winston Churchill wrote in his book “The River of War”
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. —Sir Winston Churchill pages 248-50
Just as white people say they have freedom, then why can’t muslims? Yes they are violent so what, they have a strong belief in islam just like westeners have a strong belief in freedom of speech. Plus I dont think they should judge the religion of islam for this because history is filled with white armys taking over the world MOST OF THE TIME, that happened with alexander, hitler and nepoleon. There are an endless numebr of catholiic priests who are paedaphiles, my point is it’s not the location or overall religion that is the problem, the problem is that certain number of people will have their beliefs. Also I think there was a good point made by one of the people being interviewed and it was that western society actually doesnt support freedom of speech, for example you cant say the namesw of the soldiers who died in war in iraw in front of westminister(somewhere in london), you can’t cant make groups on facebook if that group is judging someone (often in not good or bad ways) with out their permission and you can’t say rude words at school/ work because they think its rude (JUST LIKE MULSIMS THINK ITS RUDE TO MAKE PICTURES WHICH DEPICT THE PROPHET). With the evidence i have given along with my argument, I think that OBVIOUSLY makes a very good point about “freedom fo speech”.
Yep, you made a point, Bob. A very, very weak point. And while you were making your point, you made a few glaring errors based on ridiculous assumptions and a lack of knowledge.
1)Religion is not a racial phenomenon as it permeates much of humanity and regarless of the skin colour of those who believe it, it is still only defensible by the insistence of the believers that they “just know” that it is truth, not by any hard facts.
2)Hitler believed in the occult–a form of religion. These beliefs drove many of his most despicable actions.
3)The catholic religion was key to Napolean’s views of a unified Europe.
4)Alexander frequently consulted oracles (whose powers of divination apparently came from the Gods of his time) in order to make key decisions during his campaign of conquest.
In all of these cases, religion or beliefs in supernatural powers was a main driving force behind the actions of the individuals you’ve named.
As for your “good point about ‘freedom of speech’”, many non-religious people, like myself, believe in true freedom of expression despite the preposterous laws and rules put in place by our governments who also happen to be inlfuenced by their own religion.
Just as you feel it’s your right to believe in an all-powerful invisible man who acts as a moral authority I feel it’s my right to ridicule your factless assumptions and shed light on the fallacies inherent in all that religion stands for. That, my friend, is the freedom to express that I believe in.
problems in sound
Muhammed was a homicidal rapist, a pedofile, a homosexual, a thief, and a prophet. If Muslims want to worship an individual of this caliber, I say we need to OUTLAW Islam in western civilization. These kinds of things are not tolerated in today’s society, and they want to force religious facism on the rest of the world! Muslims, you can’t burn in hell, cause there is no hell!
Respect to Talos and Devout Atheist.
Hashim Khan, you are like the rest. You get pissed off..start saying rubbish..ridiculing others.. thinking you are right and the whole world doesnt know ****. It’s like the only weapon you and many others have got is..Quran in English is not the same as Quran in Arabic. I bet you dont even know what most of it means, because everyone has problems understanding many of its verses.
But you know Hisham, i dont blame you. Islam teaches you to defend it. It gives you no space to question or doubt it. Quran is a big book. Everyone keeps saying that it’s perfect and no one can prove otherwise, but it is not true. You just don’t hear the other part of the story. I’ve always thought it would be hard to prove that Quran is not divine, but later i figured out that Quran is simpler than what i thought. It’s just a book of literature.
I am an Ex-Muslim.. now without religion.
Hashim Khan: “never have muslims started a war, never.” HAHAHAHAHAHA
Is your brain on?
They’ve started pretty much every war they’ve been in. They escalate the violence at every opportunity. There is something WRONG with your religion, buddy. Just drop it from your identity – you’re probably a good person deep down. Leave your ancient myths in the past where they belong, and we’ll welcome you to a modern world without war and hatred…
Has anyone besides me realized that is only non-Muslims who insult the religious figures of the different religions?
I’ve never heard of a Muslim doing this. Yet, Christians even drag their own God (Jesus) through the mud New Comedy Central Show will Mock Jesus .
Where is the outrage of Christians? I’m not advocating violence! But where are the protesters with signs when this happens? Where are boycotter’s of the commercial sponsors? Where are the petition signers?
Do not Christians give a dam that their God is being denigrated? Do they have no love or respect for Him? Or do they sit in front of the TV laughing as the most important figure in Christianity is being slander, degraded and humiliated?
@Syly1212
Typically I find that satirical attacks upon other religions’ “Gods” are usually more pointed towards the adherents, who as a rule take themselves far too seriously and consequently makes them (you) excellent comedy targets. I can’t speak to whether “Non-Muslims” do most of the stone throwing or not, but I’m guessing you’re Muslim so I’d suspect your observation is made via that prism. As for Christian Outrage, I’d cite the example of Scorcese’s film “Last Temptation of Christ” which was the object of many a public protest by Catholic groups and others. And consider that the film did not ridicule Christ at all, but simply portrayed him with human failings.
Maybe if the Christian outcry had been accompanied by fatwas advocating Scorcese’s assassination it would have been more memorable?
Finally, why do you care?
I’m sorry but if you want to kill someone because they say, write or draw something, you should build a time machine and live 800 years ago. Evolve. I understand though because if someone drew Tupac, I’d be pissed (sarcasm).
Don’t make fun of religion…. it does it itself.
Not all Muslims are terrorists. But all terrorists are muslim.
Ashish, that’s a bit of a silly comment.
“Terrorist” is a term of convenience, and can be applied to just about anyone fighting over an ideology or theology.
Anyone like….say….Ted Kaczynski, Timothy McVeigh, Inderjit Singh Reyat, and Eric Rudolph ?
If you want to talk about groups, we have the IRA, the Tamil Tigers, the FLQ, FARC, the ANC, the ISYF…
Personally I’d go so far as to throw the Catholic Church in there as well, but I’m torn between whether their reign of terror is a terrorism or a human rights issue.
If we rewind the clock and look at history through today’s definitions, the US was founded by “terrorists”.
Do you see why the word is meaningless and doesn’t belong in a rational conversation ?
Hey all you Cro-magnum peoples out there. As the last surviving member of the Homo neanderthalis species, I resent your using our name to depict a brutal, unthinking act by people acting in a violent, foolish way. Look into the mirror and see who the real trogs are; Homo sapiens, all of you, just about, except for Jesus, St. Francis, Mother Teresa and maybe Buddha. So stop with the stereo-tying already! Our cranial capacity was, in fact, larger than all Homo sapiens. And we took care of each other when sick or hungry, buried our dead with a thought towards the afterlife and decorated ourselves with paints and shelled jewelry. Yes, we had a very artistic, peaceful civilization, until you all came north and exterminated us; Yes, you heard right; genocide. We lived contentedly for a quarter of a million years in balance with nature and all G-d’s creatures, until you all arrived. Then what happened to us? Gone, except for me and I don’t know how much longer I can last, what with all the global weather change, destruction of the ozone layer and animal extinctions. And you thought that the end of the Ice Age changed the landscape! Well, guess we just failed to employ enough Border Patrol agents to control illegal aliens coming into Europe and other points north. I seems to me that Homo sapiens are about to do to each other what you did to my people thousands of years ago, whether using religion or ideology to justify being mean to each other. May G-d help you see the light. Shalom.
Hello champions of freedom of speech checkout the links before point you’re fingers towards Muslims
“Helen Thomas retires after remarks on Israel”
this is recent one I don’t want to list all the names of journalists who were fired during war in Iraq .
Hehe…Ali, you don’t there’s actually freedom of speech in the US do you ?
Look at the issue you mentioned specifically – she has EVERY right to say what she did: it’s an opinion on policy and contains nothing that could be called “hate speech”; racial, religious or otherwise.
However, it conflicts with US policy re: Israel and her neighbours and it’s embarrassing to the government to have someone of her stature and experience say so.
For all of you out there trying to force your fantasies on other human beings through the use of made-up fairy tales…
Stop it. You’re embarrassing your species. When will you grow up and quit acting like children? Must we wipe thousands of you from the face of the earth again, to keep you from your psychotic aims? This keeps happening down through history…and the only thing Muslims ever accomplish is being killed.
Muslim is a belief system that attracts the weak and ignorant, who can’t or won’t think for themselves. It then thinks FOR them…convicing them that death in its service is a noble thing.
Life is precious. Giving it away in the service of something as shallow and hateful as Islam requires a low intellect. This is why they behave as mad dogs, can not defend the koran or the hadith except by quoting from the same book.
Mohammed was, by all modern standards, insane. he was a murderous, manipulative pedophile with a God complex.
Personally…if I’m going to follow/worship/emulate etc…any man, I expect him to be a BETTER man than me. You know…an example of an intelligent, wise, considerate and principaled life. A life with a belief in something besides its own superiority.
Muslims really do face death from either choice…trying to force it upon others, and defending yourself as you are attacked by your intended ‘conquest’. Either way, it never ends well for the followers of Mohammed. You know, there is a reason why they live in the desert…they have been driven there by civilized men with no tolerance for Islamic barbarism. Of course, your average follower will exclaim, “NO…of course not! We CHOOSE to live in caves and hillsides and some of the most desolate places on earth”.
Right.
it is such a horrible thing. why would they use his picture. they know how offensive it is. Its just ******. Its completely intolerant. Most people in the west are completely poisoned by their Media. If they were only educated about Islam, things like this would not happen.
Cody, do those who publish it have any less right to do so than the right that Muslims have to pursue their religion ?
Granted, I probably wouldn’t have printed them had it been my call to make, but the response to their publication was completely uncalled for and shows that those who took part are the intolerant ones.
One of the drawbacks to free society is that some of the things we must permit are things we might not agree with personally. To respond with violence and destruction is just petty thuggery.
it all comes down to tolerance… In islam any thing that might be worshiped as an idol is forbidden. This includes sculptures, paintings, fotos etc. There is no representation of Muhammed in Sunni belief, even the movies about him lack an actor playing mohammed because it is forbidden… It is different Sunni and Shia sects but since i’m not well informed on the other- that is the Shia sect- i’m inclined to emphasize the fact that it is forbidden. And to ridicule the prophet that every muslim looks up to is offensive in every possible way. I might not be a Muslim, but i know the religion since i grew up with the culture and talking badly about Mohammed is a greater taboo than talking badly about Allah. This, i know by experience.
The point that i wanted to make is that at the beginning of the documentary, it says: it was a chance to respond to the provocation by terrorists. So it overlooks the fact that not every muslim is a terrorist or even a supporter of terror, and in order to respond to the terrorists he attacks the religion of many devoted believers. The reaction is what they aimed for i guess, considering that they knew the “terrorists” would be pissed off.
I think the problem with west and east lies in the fact that both sides have prejudices against each other. There is stereotyping against both parties. Fundamentalist islam condemns the “infidels” by saying their values are corrupted and their practices are sinful. They fear their descendants will be corrupted by the west, and the problem is even bigger since globalization allows many muslims to have access to western culture. West sees muslims as savages that try to took over the world and make them all muslims in the name of allah through Jihad. This seems like an exaggeration but if you look at the media, you come across many conspiracy theories that offer this exaggeration. Now, is there any truth to that… Sure, the concept of Jihad is about fighting with the infidel, but it is more like a legitimation to fight wars and an incentive for soldiers to join in wars. If jihad is about spreading the word of Quran and Allah, since this is their ideology, is it really different from legitimizing war with the concept of “spreading democracy”. Or to create an incentive to join to wars, isn’t patriotism or nationalism just the same thing?
Like i said before, it all comes to tolerance. If you want your values to be tolerated by the Muslims, you need to tolerate theirs. Islam today is not about a man who lived 1500 years ago, the extremism of Muslims and their hatred against the west is not about Mohammed. It’s about grievances, inequality among civilizations, history of colonialism and mandates, or maybe it’s about clash of civilizations. But surely it has nothing to do with an illiterate nomad, that happened to convince some people in his lifetime that he is the messenger of god. If you want to ridicule him, go ahead but you’re missing the point to all this mess.
Reasonable people have absolutely no valid cause to show tolerance for such an absurd thing as religious belief of any kind, Ezgi. The fact that reasonable people have tolerated ignorance for so long is the only reason we’re still in this unstable situation in 2010 my friend.
Primitive beliefs should have been left in primitive times, yet too many people are cowards and can’t stand to face the fact that we’re alone with no invisible man in the sky to protect and guide us.
Why is it that the three “Abrahamic” religions, Namely Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all have a history of the most brutal and murderous intolerance of others whose beliefs differ from their own?
The Old Testament documents and endorses numerous examples of atrocities committed by Israelites and Jews as bad or worse than anything done by the Nazis in WWII. Christian intolerance and atrocities against Jews, Muslims, and even fellow Christians during the Middle Ages and the Spanish and Italian Inquisitions were no better. To an extent, Islamic atrocities towards Christians were retaliation for what Christians did to them during the Crusades, but that did not make them any more admirable.
In the Middle East today, particularly in Palestine, there are villains and terrorists on both sides of the conflict, both sides equally convinced they are only doing God’s will by terrorizing and killing those of the other side and denying each other the right to practice their own respective religions in peace. Militant terrorists on both sides viciously and violently opposed the idea of establishing a secular, Palestinian state that guaranteed religious freedom and equality under the law for all religions. The only beneficiaries of this fervent religious intolerance are the wealthy religious leaders of both sides trying to preserve their immense wealth and politcal power and influence, and the immoral arms dealers who sell arms to both sides and keep the pot stirred up to insure continuation of their obscene profits. None of these really care a whit about the suffering of the rank and file believers whom they have duped into accepting the hateful, religious nonsense they vomit from their mouths that inspires continuation of the conflict responsible for all the suffering.
Lets examine how these terrorists come in to being, I think any person with some common sense should be able to grasp this idea:
-Western world is responsible for dividing the Palestinian lands, it (The west) keeps the Muslim world under prolonged occupations (Iraq, Afghanistan) and Kashmir by India.
Muslims have all the reasons in the world to Love the western world (lets say religion is just an excuse to keep the Love going) :D
A world full of people who would kill me over a drawing is not a world that deserves my presence. Shame.
@UrDady
Yes, I recognize that greedy, selfish and stupidly arrogant Western nations have been largely responsible for creating or at least exacerbating the deplorable conditions and inequities that are the cause of so much poverty, frustration and anger in the Middle East, but the fact still remains that there are all too many self-righteous, power-mad and fanatical religious and political leaders on both sides of the conflict who are gleefully exploiting and even, in some cases, augmenting all this anger and frustration for their own selfish benefit.
As for Afghanistan, however deplorable the continued presence of of coalition forces there may be, the Afghan people (especially women) would be far worse off if the Taliban regained control.
Let’s talk about freedom of speech.
If it’s your freedom of speech to make those cartoons then it’s OUR freedom of speech to retaliate if we find it offensive.
And as for the terrorists they will go to hell. Rule number 1 for “Jihad” women and children don’t die and second it’s always defensive.
the christians killed 6 millions jews in world war II THE BIGGEST ACT OF TERRORISM IN HUMAN HISTORY purely on the basis of religion.
@freedom said:
“the christians killed 6 millions jews in world war II THE BIGGEST ACT OF TERRORISM IN HUMAN HISTORY purely on the basis of religion.”
Undeniably true, but no act of terrorism justifies other acts of terrorism or terrorism in general.
@freedom
“If it’s your freedom of speech to make those cartoons then it’s OUR freedom of speech to retaliate if we find it offensive.”
Freedom of speech DOES NOT include the right to resort to physical violence and murder against those who say things you find offensive or with which you do not agree.
@gunnar Reiersen
by retaliate i mean peaceful retaliations never violence. Notice that i say or freedom of “speech”
and about the holocaust i meant everybody is bichin at muslims for what Al Qaeda and the terrorists are doing but what christian nazis were also “christians” and christian people are considered peaceful people. Not fair huh?
In short not every Muslim is a terrorists
You learn quite a few things from such debates.
One, there are extemist atheists…dare I venture to say….fundementalist athiests in the world. Their aura of a higher intellectual understanding and of having so called “seen the truth” is nothing different nor novel in the space of history.
There are people in the world who want to make themselves believe to their utmost that they know about religion…in this case Islam…to somehow construct the fact that it enjoins certain things. A little word of advice to a person who was talking up there of having majored in religious studies and toured the middle east, I have to say, having studied texts in religous studies and comparative religion and being a Muslim, you have a long long way to go kid before you can even begin to understand Islam like that. At a certain level i dont even blame you, you dont even have the slightest idea about the faith to know what you’re looking for. Conversations with random people you meet count for naught. If that is what your argument is based on, you really need to re-visit it. I am a fervent muslim as well, I read the Quran and do all that it enjoins. I still dont kill any non muslims or force my beleifs upon them. Now you have to askl, am I the contradiction or are you? Am I who spent my whole life studying and aiming to follow my religion and have gone over it countless hours, the contradiction or are you with a handful of university courses and a middle east tour and some chit chat?
And the irony…this debate shows the extremist elemant of the side that makes cartoons of the prophet and defends it just as equal. …and still they say Islam is the violent religion. What a case of rampant hypocrisy. A classic case of i’m right, you’re wrong becaaaaaausse…freedom of what I want to do but no freedom for you in what you want to do because that’s what my philsophical forefathers said so. A laughable proposition. Freedom of speech and others like them are hallow, completely hallow if they do not engender some improvement of human society. I have to say, making fun of a guiding force and source of reverence for 1.5 billion people is something that really doesnt improve society very much. Now please, you may continue with your task of trying to “construct” an argument that somehow it needs to be done because bla bla reasons. Its all hollow, and by trying to prove so such detractors do come out as fundamentalists and extremists in their own right.
If it’sonly a very small percentage of muslims who participate in these riots and believe in these killings and are tarnishing the name of Islam than why don’t the rest of the muslims protest against them?
Religion is the death of the human spirit. It boggles the mind and corrupts the soul. It creates more boarders and separation of people.
ALL ? HAVE TO SAY ?S LA ?LAHE ?LALLAH MUHAMMED’?N RESULALLAH
PEACE