Srebrenica: A Cry from the Grave
Srebrenica, Bosnia, the world's first United Nations Safe Area, was the site of the worst case of genocide in Europe since World War II.
In July 1995, the Bosnian Serb army staged a brutal takeover of the small, intimate spa town and its surrounding region.
Over a period of five days, the Bosnian Serb soldiers separated Muslim families and systematically murdered over 7,000 men and boys in fields, schools, and warehouses.
Narrated by Bill Moyers, this compelling film includes previously unreleased footage and first-hand personal accounts of the 1995 Bosnian massacre.
It follows hour by hour the story of the killings. Through the testimony of survivors and relatives of those who died it explores the pain felt when no one is brought to justice.
There are interviews with investigators from the UN-sponsored court at The Hague and from the UN special prosecutor. But the underlying message of the film is bleak indeed - no matter what is done, it will never be enough.
A Cry from the Grave has won numerous prizes. It has been shown at the UN, and it was used during a war crimes trial at The Hague.
@ addy,
The "hopefully even vojvodina" sounded... well, how can I put it... hopeful perhaps? But I'll take your word for it that you don't actually really wish it to happen... :).
so, I have read a few comments and I see that some one is stating that muslims and croats did not kill,rape,and or pillage serbs? LOL, I am not even remotely from there and I know better than that muslim and croats raided serb towns and maliciously killed innocent serbs thats a fact. Serbs murdered thousands of muslims men and children from ages 12 to 70+. Muslims throughout history exploit men and boys between these ages and still do to this day. In one hand Serbs were very wrong in doing what they did but muslims and croats did exactly the same thing. Americans have every right to post their comments on this since u all would still be fighting if it wasnt for us and there would be no croatia or bosnian muslims left Fact.
at wtc
i was being ironical, it is not my formal opinion
Please, do not imply bas sarcasm regarding my ability to reason.
Yes, I am aware of the fact I was not there. Being there, you are welcome to share your stories (but please, no exaggerations).
Again - how can you say your view of things is clear?
The "random foreigners" have no right to judge and give some emotional comments, but actual Yugoslavs need to take care not to be carried away by their emotions.
@ addy,
Hmm, this time I have not misread what you wrote. Your dreams of the future of Serbia are wild and malicious. However, since we're at it, I'd advise you better worry about your own yard and how what you call a country, kept together only thanks to the internationals, is shaking like a house of cards.
at just me
we are not all clever as you are, however it is somewhat funny that you talk about the facts of the war while you were only born after it, and i was there you know, i saw all that with my own eyes, while you sucked your thumb, and pretend that bombardment of bridges (by NATO) is something, i would really love to see your opinion after endless gang-raping done by filthy stinky ‘animals’, while you watch your father f..k your brother with mmashine-gun pointed in his head (mind you it was not a single case, many people during that war have been there… so please, save it
No, I sent you an e-mail (from hotmail) and got no reply.
As for changing attitude... I'll explain it elsewhere. This site should have user accounts.
At the rest - Sorry for being off-topic.
JustMe
quote ''I really don’t like guys automatically change their attitude around girls, it equates hypocrisy (off-topic, sorry, people)....Well, therefore, I am 11 years younger than you, so I’d ask you be careful of how you express yourself……..''- end of quote - that you got all wrong, and i offered my friendship, and my e-mail, you refused, so i must say that you've lost some credibility there
I have written a large amount of posts already explaining it all. If you find it hard to read through and give a proper reply, please do not reply at all. Thank you.
wtc
well, since you admitted, i can say, don't worry it happens
at just me
it would be impossible to write Marko, Jovan; Nebojša, Stevan and another hundreds thousands names did the atrocities, what really connects those people (beside crimes they were committing) is the fact that they are all Serbs, so when i say -only serbs sistematicaly raped women- it is implied that not all serbs raped, and that it was during the organized aggression (that some people mistakenly call yugoslav wars) of serbs... let's not forget that that was the war for teritory for Greater Serbia, well i am so sad that once such a big country is now striped of half of croatia, half of bosnia, montenegro, kosovo, hopefully even vojvodina, and it is now only what is populary called 'beogradski pašaluk' (belgrade canton)
Srbija!
@ addy,
True, I did get wrong what you said, was obviously going too fast through it.
wtc
you just proved that you obviously don't know much about the topic, i apologize if someone (besides you) got that wrong, let me repeat 38 k versus 16 k is number of total people killed, and number of raped women, as i stated previously is between 20 and 50 thousands
wtc i dunno what you are talking about, that was the number of people killed!!! the number of serbian women raped by croats or muslims is somewhere between zero and several, had you read all the post you would have grasp that meaning
@ addy,
It is an interesting analysis and a rather strange way to prove a point - that raping 38 k women is an obvious sign of devious genocidal intentions, whereas raping 16 k, during the same period of time mind you, is just some poor men in legitimate need of sexual relief.... Nothing wrong there, huh? Besides, 16 k is peanuts, just a few women, is it not now?! I am sure next you will tell us that the latter always politely knocked at the doors of their victims and asked them if they wanted to be raped... some really nice folks it seems...
@tomi; My apologies. It was not your english so much as the fact that sarcasm looses context when in print. I whole heartedly agree to your statement that people who were not there have no idea of the complexity. And that they should refrain from judgement. I understand this because of the prevalent world view of the US. The view is that the US citizens are war hungry enablers of bad polititians. That as members of a democracy we controll our overall impact globaly. That is not true and only someone who lives here and is open-minded and aware can know that. In general the people here cannot ever agree. Two people can't agree on what to eat for dinner let alone collectively change the face of our government. Foriegn peoples just can't see that from the outside looking in.
I will not pass judgement for either side in this conflict. I simply feel sorrow for those who endured it.
@Tomi,
Please, don't put us and those "illiterate children counting the dead and arguing who killed whom more" into the same sack.
As I've said somewhere above, I agree with you most of the time, even on the 'disagreement' part, if you read back, you'll see I've stated some things in the same way.
to just me_& im from serbia
people i urge you to move your discussion somewhwre else,this site is not appropriate place for it.
it makes me feel bad when i see bunch of ilitterate children counting deads and arguing who killed more or who started first.as ive said,grab some books.
btw,again,this is not suitable place 4 such talks,why?
because there is not only one truth.my truth(speaking from croatian side,as far as its possible to generalize),i believe,
completely opposites your truth(serbian),so there is no room to make those two closer.so what can we do?learn,work on ourselves,to make us better persons.this way if tommorow new conflict begins,and we will be forced to fight again,we will colide more honourly than last time.men are dying by a bullet,sheeps are dying by a knife.
and no,i dont believe in utopistic world peace ideas,simply cause that never happened in whole human history,and im affraid never will be.im only realistically disappointed in evolution of human spirit and im convinced that we may speak about peace loving societies,but in real life that is impossible to happen.
goodbye
@Bris,
I didn't get it wrong, I am just pointing out at things. Maybe you didn't get my point well enough. You are free to ask.
(as for Yahoo, I thought you were referring to IM-ing)
@addy
"from wikipedia (it is all true, i guarantee)"
Ehm... yes... of course.........
@I'm from Serbia
Good point. Don't you find it ironic that those who are so "OPPOSED" to generalizing people based on their nation, race, gender etc are doing exactly that by saying "The Serbs are terrorists" (and many such people do so, as I had a chance to see/hear). What does it apply? It applies a syllogism as following "All Serbs are terrorists. 'JustMe___' and 'I'm from Serbia' are Serbs. Therefore 'JustMe___' and 'I'm from Serbia' are terrorists."
Well, if any of the alleged "peace-lovers" here thinks so (and as I look back, I see they do) let him/her say so!
I'm from serbia and I am very disapointed by this video. They have shown serbs like terorists,but they have not shown what muslim side did to serbs. I am not saying that serbs where good, but the muslim side was not prefect.
I am sorry that many good men died in this ponitless war, but this is afful that these men that had shown this movie said that serbs are terrorists!!!
And nobody from the world can't judge us, because you didn't went through what we went. I would be glad if all those good men didn't die. I would be glad if all those nationalists died instead, and all this didn't happen at all.
btw that's proven casualties, however there's still going on sc promotional war (even here) and estimations are up to 70000 vs 28000, either way, they are always 3 to 1 and not one to one as some people here try to promote
casualties
one side 38000
other side 16000
from wikipedia (it is all true, i guarantee)
It has been estimated that during the Bosnian War between 20,000 and 50,000 women, mainly Muslim, were raped...War rape in the Yugoslav Wars has often been characterized as genocide. Rape perpetrated by Serb forces served to destroy cultural and social ties of the victims and their communities.[30] Serbian policies urged soldiers to rape Bosnian women until they became pregnant as an attempt towards ethnic cleansing. Serbian soldiers hoped to force Bosnian women to carry Serbian children through repeated rape.[31] Often Bosnian women were held in captivity for an extended period of time and only released slightly before the birth of a child born of rape...This occurred in the context of a patrilineal society, in which children inherit their father's ethnicity, hence the "rape camps" aimed at the birth of a new generation of Serb children. According to the Women's Group Tresnjevka more than 35,000 women and children were held in such Serb-run "rape camps".
Vilhelmo
they(official americans) call that pest-control!
@TOME Thanks for your post, well said. My view broken down to the least common denominator is mean people SUCK........