HIV = AIDS, Fact or Fraud?
Too many people are making too much money out of it, and money is much stronger than truth. One of the most powerful video documentaries of our time boldly reveals the modern medical-industrial complex’s dire descent into utter corruption. This feature-length expose explains exactly how the 300-Billion-dollar AID$ fraud began, why HIV can NOT be the cause of AIDS, what the real causes could be, and who manipulates the public’s good intentions while poisoning hundreds of thousands with toxic drugs that cause the very disease they are supposed to prevent.
This is a systematic dissection of the HIV/AID$ machine and how they hijacked a program designed to fight a worldwide plight of human suffering and drove it down the road to hell. Yet this program offers hope, inspired by the courage and articulate arguments of a group of growing voices internationally challenging the HIV=AIDS=DEATH hysteria. A MUST SEE for anyone interested in truly understanding the facts about HIV/AID$.
You will meet a number of highly reputable scientists who all agree that HIV doesn’t cause AIDS, including Dr. Peter Duesberg, who was the first scientist to map the genetic structure of retroviruses. He is joined by Nobel Prize winners Dr. Kary Mullis and Dr.Walter Gilbert, along with Dr. David Rasnick, an expert in the field of protease inhibitors.
Is HIV/AIDS the golden idol of junk science? Judge for yourself. Professionally produced, written and researched, acclaimed by physicians, scientists, journalists and humanitarians internationally, this is the video encyclopedia of HIV/AIDS dissident movement! THE defining documentary on the HIV/AIDS fraud.
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A must see! backed by well known scientists. Another case of disagreement among scientists on life-threatening issues. All too often we hear doctors, and governments agencies telling us hand in hand about the safety of products so that they may be consumed, when the real brains have not even settled together on the scientific facts concerning that safety.
money rules the world and your lives people, dont let private interests rule your health. The invisible hand of Adam Smith doesn’t work in the complex field of health and its market, or if it does it is after major disaster only.
It is time to use our clever minds into redesigning the systems that rule mankind. In the meanwhile, keep an eye on the FDA, your governments, and all huge industries. And try paying artisans and small businesses more and big industries less. MONEY MUST NOT BE CONCENTRATED IN THE HANDS OF A FEW, IN PROPORTIONS WHICH ENABLES THEM TO FOOL US ON EVERY FRONT OF PERCEPTION. SO IS STILL THE CASE.
This is a VERY dangerous documentary. The so-called leading experts they focus on in this video have been shown time and again to be quacks. They aren’t considered experts by legitimate science but rather charlatans who are murdering people. You don’t think HIV causes AIDS? Then I suggest you go out and share a needle with someone, contract the virus and don’t take the meds and see how long you last. It’s a shame that people like this are allowed to think yet alone speak.
The basic tried and true science behind why hundreds of scientists are against the HIV=AIDS hypothesis is incontrovertable. No one has yet to show any scientific evidence that HIV causes AIDS
The whole documentary is not based on scietific facts but just on a bunch of ******. I seriously cannot believe there are so ****** people out there who believe that HIV is not the cause of Aids. I agree with Angelo.
I’m no scientist, but I noticed the dramatic increase in death from aids after AZT was released as a treatment. Makes you wonder…
Angelo, are you suggesting for us to take illegal drugs and die?
Now 25 years after “THE probable cause of AIDS” was hoisted on the unknowing American Public by Gallo and HHS Sec. Heckler, the obvious FRAUD and MASS genocide is horrific.
People still echo the fear of a Machiavellian tactic to drive people through terror. THIS IS DANGEROUS. like shouting fire in a crowded theater.
NOTE: In 1998 Nature (as AID$ Inc. publication) even published an account itself that blasted the last bit of scientific nonsense behind the HIV=AIDS hype in an article called “Last Nail in the Coffin for Viral Load” by Roder. et. al.98.
So for over 11 years, now the last attempt to explain the HIV=AIDS hypothesis has been dead. But people still cry that the “sky is falling”
Until the public discerns that the real dangers are quacks like Gallo and AID$ Inc. with their fear tactics and toxic drugs like AZT. Instead of phantom viruses like HIV, we are headed for a high-tech dark ages.
cricket:
No, he is not telling anyone to take drugs. (Drug needles aren’t the only way to spread HIV.)
He simply stated that if you think it’s not dangerous, why not test one’s hypothesis. Though I wouldn’t advice to do so since one becomes a walking biohazard after that. Wonder how many HIV infected people out there are spreading the infection because they think they don’t get the condition from it…
In the university there has been no doubtful conversations about this and never has there been a paper in a peer reviewed publish that suggests that AIDS would have a different cause.
And about the rise of numbers in people who have died of the infection..
The population has been on the rise and the disease has become widely spread in areas where there is no medication. So duh, there are casualties. In areas where the medication is available, death rates from AIDS have decreased. The medication does allow a better life quality and halts the virus from infecting more cells.
HIV infects blood cells and once the CD4+ blood cell count drops person’s immunity goes apeshit. That is what AIDS means, Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. There is no rational reason to believe that a virus like HIV would not be the cause of AIDS, knowing how it functions. Preventing HIV contraction is the key in fighting the disease.
now can i have sex without condom or no?
I would Kali, only because I find that cleaning the faeces off my ***** afterwards makes me heave.
Raps,
I will try to politely say that you are GROSSLY misinformed about at least five things.
First of all, the Centers for Disease Control actually knew back in the early 1980′s that the risks involved with GRID (*** related Immune Deficiency) where primarily in fast track *** lifestyle men using poppers and other immune suppressing drugs,(also found in IV drug addicts) and they reported this themselves. So long before HIV was discovered the CDC had it right, and were pressured into accepting the phony viral cause with Gallo’s fraud by HHS Sec. Heckler.
The CDC documented over 5,000 cases of “AIDS” without HIV even after HIV was created at the press conference in 1984.
The reason why they came up with HIV 2 was to explain why HIV was NOT causing AIDS anywhere near the same rate in Africa, claiming it was a “weaker” form of the virus.
The constant infection rate in the US at about .05% is indicative of an OLD virus, not a new one, and should have caused an “AIDS epidemic” back in 1795 and on through time. Remember that 50% of the people with HIV since 1984 first being tested in the US are female. Why are US AIDS patients primarily 90% male even after the absurd latency period of 25 years? It doesn’t work in vast amounts of women unless they are drug addicts. So it is not HIV, but drugs causing AIDS.
There was only ONE large group study of couples not using safe sex that has attempted to measure how many would transmit HIV to their uninfected partner. It was called the Padian study and it followed over 150 couples for about 10 years. Guess what? NOT ONE sexual transmission of HIV infection could be documented. Just like the video says, sexual transmission of HIV is less that 1 out of 1,000 encounters or being “hit by lightning” Dr. Walter Dowdle from the CDC’s own research said this.
It’s time to face the facts. HIV=AIDS is absurd!!! Watch the video again and take notes. Try to think about what you are hearing. There is no mass epidemic of AIDS caused by a retrovirus that takes 195 years to cause 29 old diseases that have been in Africa for centuries.
HIV?AID$ is a dangerous genocidal fraud. Like H1N1 it has been way overblown and become a terror tactic of the medical industrial complex wasting over 350 billion tax dollars.
AIDS drugs and Treatments are NOT saving lives.
Here is some info posted recently in “POZ magazine,” an AID$ Inc. publication,
on AZT and death rates: (assuming these statistics are accurate)
Very interesting figures! Like everything else in HIV/AIDS statistics, they
present another mosaic of idiosyncrasies. But that is what we might expect
when they keep adding new diseases, extending the latency period from HIV
infection to AIDS to death, and mixing all kinds of weird and toxic drugs
inside people within several different risk categories.
With any other real disease, one would expect to see some general
correlation between new cases and a constant death rate, given an average
latency period and average rate of disease progression. You might even
expect to see the death rates drop a little if the treatments were doing any
good at all. But the death rate has no correlation with the new cases, and
even increases until 1995, when the mega doses (900 mg or more) were cut
back as the PIs were introduced. AIDS has always been a quagmire of
confusion, but one thing is for sure, death rates continued to rise in
percentage to new cases after the AZT disaster.
Here are the figures:
New AIDS cases / deaths Death % to new cases
1987- 29,105—16,488 56%
1988 -36,126—21,244 58%
1989- 43,499—28,054 64%
1990- 49,546—31,836 64%
1991- 60,573—37,106 61%
1992- 79,657—41,849 52% (new disease definition added, % temporarily drops)
1993- 79,879—45,733 57%
1994- 73,086—50,657 69%
1995- 69,984—51,414 73%
Also, according to the CDC, 62% of the people diagnosed w/ AIDS between 1987
and 1995 (the AZT years) died. 46% of the people diagnosed w/ AIDS between
1996 and 2005 (the HAART years) died.
Also visit: http://www.help4hiv.com
You can listen to many top experts debate and disprove the HIV=AIDS hypothesis on the radio at this link:
http://www.hearitonline.com Click on the Pink box and you can listen for free to the internet rebroadcast of George Berry’s show.
“the magazine Continuum, which consistently denied the existence of HIV/AIDS, shut down when its editors all died of AIDS-related causes.” Wikipedia
LOL!
If you are a denialist, you quite obviously are mentally ill and need immediate psychiatric attention.
Jari: That would be so funny if it wasn’t so sad! I watched a doc like this on another website and yahooed the woman speaking and she too died from AIDS related causes as well as her daughter.
I also watched a documentary that suggested the cause of AIDS in people was chimpanzees used for polio vaccines in the 1950. I think I will look for that doc now and see if it can also be posted here.
KK
Simply appalling. Is there anything that we can actually agree on? It seems that there’s a denialist movement to every fact. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a documentary out there trying to show how popcorn actually comes from potatoes.
The Age of AIDS is a way better AIDS doc, and it’s also on this site. I noticed it’s not on the “You might also like” list. Most of those are conspiracy/mystery docs. Which is fitting, because that’s what this one is.
By the way, the HIV/AIDS hypothesis has led to effective treatments that have helped people. What have the denialists done besides help hundreds of thousands die in South Africa? People need to think seriously before they cry “conspiracy.”
Tim: Perhaps you might know the answer to this. I’m still really confused about this topic. I know HIV causes AIDS. Dah! But, aren’t the triple drug cocktails keeping people “healthy” now except for the side-affects and the fact that they can’t ever stop the treatments? Are people on the drug cocktail still getting full-blown AIDS and dying while taking the drugs like they should? Looks like they would stop pushing this agenda if people stopped dying like they did back in the late 1980′s after they started the drugs.
Charles: There’s a lot of conflicting info about the cocktail treatment. Whatever position you take, you can find data to support it, and that does make it all extremely confusing. The treatment doesn’t work the same for everyone, and for some people it can have terrible side effects. But it does have the potential to help, and that wouldn’t be the case if it was based on false science. If the denialists were right, they would’ve come up with a much better treatment by now. And they’ll probably never stop pushing their agenda. Denialist movements push on even in the face of overwhelming evidence. If Holocaust denialism is still alive, you can bet AIDS denialism will endure for at least another 50 years.
Tim: I refuse to believe “denialism” is a real force in the world today and there is nothing you can do to change my mind! ;-)
Thanks, that was actually a very informative answer.
Kelly K.
The woman’s name was Christine Maggiore. Her 3-year-old baby was called Eliza Jane and she died of pneumonia as a complication of AIDS so they cannot blame drug use on the baby’s death. Maggiore blamed the baby’s death on “antibiotics” given shortly before the baby died. “Pneumonia as a complication of AIDS” was the official cause of death for the baby’s autopsy, and then later Christine Maggiore also died from the same thing, though no autopsy was made. She never believed their illnesses were caused from HIV. It is thought the baby contracted the HIV from breastfeeding.
Well I hope you’re right Charles! Fortunately these denialist movements don’t get much respect in our society.
a-q-m: That’s really sad. Denial is a powerful thing isn’t it.
morons, this are the same people advising the African Government back when they denied citizens treatment for the disease,the excuse? AIDS was a myth.. LOL..
This is ******… we all know that HIV/AIDS research gets virtually no funding anymore. It’s not cured, however medications of today work so well, that people can live a full productive life with HIV with out it progressing to AIDS.
No one cares.
Admittedly, HIV/AIDS is still a serious problems in impoverished countries, but Americans don’t care about that, just like they don’t care about TB and Leprosy.
Out of sight…
Out of mind.
I followed my heart and intuition regarding the HIV/AIDS topic which led me to watch this truthful documentary.
You may be on to something Emmanuel. I say you follow your heart, it’s good to see people out there that have still got that spirit.
Forget these hacks that say Orville and Wilbur Wright, I mean what kind of names are those, invented the aeroplane. It was Sir George Cayley, almost 100 years before those hillbilly brothers, but Cayley died almost unknown, a privte soul who flew just for his own enjoyment.
But not you Emmanuel, I have a feeling about you. You are cut from different cloth, just lie Dr. Barry Marshall. He won a nobel prize because of a feeling he had, a feeling deep within his bones. He did the only thing people like you guys do in a situation like that. They experiment on themselves. Marshall ingested a bacteria that he had cultivated to see if bacteria actually caused stomach ulcers, it was the only logical option. Turns out it did cause it and it was one of the most most radical and important changes in the last 50 years in the perception of a medical condition.
Go for it, get HIV, and prove to us all that it doesnt cause AIDS.
You would win a Nobel Pize too. But don’t forget to mention me at your acceptence speech.
Your muse,
Stevie
The evidence that HIV-infection is the cause of immune-disease is extreme.
Getting certain diseases – like PHP, or CD4 count less than 200 – gives you an AIDS diagnosis right away. Don’t even need to test for HIV (though most people insist on it), unless you have special reasons for being immunocompromised (like treatment after a transplantation).
Maggiore was a school example:
If you are HIV positive, and not treated before giving birth, half of your children in average will get the virus, and have, still untreated, only one chance in 20 to see their 4th birthday.
Kelly K. You may not realize this but you are actually in danger of a slander lawsuit about E.J and Christine Maggiore in your obvious non-medical or expert declaration of the “cause” of these deaths being HIV/AIDS. These non-verified and now debunked diagnoses have been reviewed in court cases by the evidence and analysis of the actual cause of death and HIV AIDS was not determined to be the cause.
Lawsuits may follow the sources and further spreading of these slanderous lies, beginning with the LA examiners who made the initial misdiagnosis.
This is typical of people who believe religiously in Gallo’s fraud, and follow blindly without any validation.
Hi Will See,
both E.J. and Christine died from AIDS, and the story is, as I wrote, the most likely statistical outcome.
There are no court-case outcomes supporting any other view. Are you referring to the lawsuit where releasing an autopsy report that gave E.J’s death cause as AIDS-related pneumonia? The lawsuit, settled out of court, was about the _release_ of this information, not about whether it was correct or not.
The only such support I have been able to find comes from the notorious Al-Bayati, who is a well-known denialist with a very relaxed attitude towards the truth.
_His_ reports has been debunked numerous times.
First a young child die from AIDS, then the mother, from PCP, a disease that only hits immuno-compromized people. Solution for the denialists? Lie about it.
we just have to keep in the back of our minds that medical science is more applied than it is researched, ok?
How many practioners prescribing a drug for how many men and women actually finding and verifying it?
It is just to keep in mind that the system of checks and accountability in the medical market and regulatory system in place does not allow for anyone nor for a practionner to be so sure… and the real point of this documentary is to show you that even researchers may disagree while the society has already agreed.
There is alot of inconsistencies in this doc. One of these id where the narrator is talking about homosexual male sex and foriegn proteins causing the AIDS virus, Homosexuals have been having sex way before AIDS was even identified and before the condom was ever created. So, how is it possible that AIDS wasn’t found until the 80′s if foreign proteins were causing AIDS in *** men? That makes no sense at all. However, the theory of drug use is extrememly interesting as well. I have hard time seeing the consistancies in this theory and idea, at least how it is being presented in this doc. There just isn’t enough evidence or information in this one doc to make see the connections.
One other point is why does this documentary not cover the discrepancies between the two doctors that suppossively have discovered the AIDS virus around the same time? Why does this documentary not cover the inconsistant details involving the “green” monkey theory as to the origin of AIDS? It only mentions in one little part of this documentary and that is where the comparison of AIDS related cases in Africa vs. the cases in the United States. Also no where in this documentary did it even suggest that AIDS maybe an actual man made virus. Toying with that idea just in speculation is enough to show that the narrator and the researchers for this doc at least did a detailed investigation. And yes there is some connections to AIDS and the man made theory.
to call these people quaks is ridiculous… subjects like this need skeptisism to ever be solved, cause for further research is obviously needed and these people are pushing for it, are you people saying that we should all just execpt that HIV 100% causes AIDS and go on forever without a cure. We must listen to these people because it makes more sense than it dosn’t.
I have alot of respect for these guys, people that fight for evidence are always discoverers and milestones in history i.e Galileo who was condemed for disbelife on widely excepted matters based on little proof.
Amazing documentary.
Did Nixon build the pyramides? HIV was definitely not made by man. It has been around since the 60es. The first human retrovirus was found in ’81.
HIV and related diseases exploded epidemically in the 80es. PCP was documented in 30 or so cases before 80. During the 80es tens of thousands of PCP was reported, all in HIV+ people. If drugs were the cause we should have 10,000 times increase in drug intake. Madness.
The who HIV skeptcism is based on what you can convince layment about.
Chr Monsune.
Your comments neither make sense or have any validity whatsoever. The death of EJ was attributed to a negative antibiotic reaction, NOT AIDS. and that is why the faulty “cause of death” was settled out of court. Why do you defame the dead child and facts to perpetuate this myth? Christine die not die of “AIDS” either.
What do you mean by this? “Did Nixon build the pyramides? HIV was definitely not made by man. It has been around since the 60es. The first human retrovirus was found in ‘81.”
Retroviruses have been around in man for centuries. HIV is very old and can not be the cause of a “new Epidemic” based on Farr’s Law of evenly spread positive testing. The great fear of an HIV/AIDS “epidemic” went into decline in 1993. Even Oprah doesn’t go there anymore.
I think you should come up to date and scare people with H1NI now, since that it where that latest scam is making money.
What does this mean? “The who HIV skeptcism is based on what you can convince layment about.”
“The death of EJ was attributed to a negative antibiotic reaction”
By you, maybe, and by notorious dissident Al-Bayati, who also stood behind the laughable report “Everybody tests positive for HIV…”
The medical examiner found rampant signs of HIV-infection. See below.
“Retroviruses have been around in man for centuries.”
Sure, but still the first one was only discovered in ´81. So nobody could have intentionally created HIV, the knowledge was simply not there.
“cause of a “new Epidemic” based on Farr’s Law of evenly spread positive testing.”
Au contraire. HIV is a star example of Farr´s law, which Dennis J. Bregman and Alexander D. Langmuir showed in 1990. “The 6 years of incidence data closely fit a normal distribution that crests in late 1988 and then declines to a low point by the mid-1990s.” Farr´s law applied.
(JAMA. 1990;263(11):1522-1525. )
Still, on any dissident website you can read about HIV not following Farr´s law. Of course, if a law predict 25% percent increase in broken legs in US and the true figure turns out to be only 24%, any dissident can say that the “law failed”.
“I think you should come up to date and scare people with H1NI now, since that it where that latest scam is making money.”
I agree. Irresponsible usage of public resources on dubious medicine. The difference is in the figures. H1N1 has, according to ECDC killed 15,000. This is in comparison to the seasonal flu that kills 250,000.
HIV has killed 30 million people, and keeps killing 2 million people pr. year.
In addition, H1N1 and flu kills preferably weaker people who might not have lived long anyway. HIV kills people in their sexually active age.
“What does this mean? “The who HIV skeptcism is based on what you can convince layment about.””
Each and every point presented in the debate does not make it over the doorstep to the places of people who actually work with it.
Down in the bar you and a few discredited scientists can convince Tom, **** and Harry that HIV is not proven to exist, and never has been isolated according to the “Pasteur Institute standard”, or has never caused disease, is not sexually transmitted etc. etc.
Take this to the Pasteur Institute and they shake their head. They will tell you that the strains of HIV-1 can be classified into four groups: the “major” group M, the “outlier” group O and two new groups, N and P.
They will tell you that they have isolated HIV for almost 30 years, and that they are busy analyzing the HIV-DNA structures, reviewing test results, improving tests for less common subtypes etc.
You can also convince lots of people that the albatros never existed, pictures were faked, and that nobody ever has found one.
Then take it to your local university, Ornithology faculty, and tell them that the hundreds of studies, pictures, descriptions of habitat, classification of subspecies etc. etc. is a misunderstanding. You will get equally far as for HIV.
That is what I mean. Laymen and a handful of scientists who has said the same for 30 years.
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The mecical examiners finding for Eliza Jane. None of it related to an antibiotic reaction. For HIV it is the order of the day.
Of course, according to Al-Bayati, it is all wrong. What else can he say? It can convince you, so it is OK.
1. Pneumocystis carinii was found in Eliza Jane’s lungs by Gomori methenamine silver staining in association with pink foamy casts in the alveoli. The lungs were also edematous (water-logged).
2. Eliza Jane was mildly neutropenic (low neutrophil–a type of white blood cell–count) and profoundly anemic (low red blood cell count)
3. Eliza Jane’s brain contained throughout its white matter with relative sparing of cortex a number of variable-sized microglial nodules characterized by multinucleate giant cells associated with moderate pallor and myelination, occasional macrophages, and angiocentric pattern. These lesions stained positive by immunohistochemistry (IHC) for the HIV core p24 protein, a finding consistent with HIV encephalitis.
4. There was atrophy of the spleen and thymus
5. There was enlargement of the liver with fatty infiltrate of the cells (steatosis) and ascites
Whatever you think a HIV+ diagnose must mean, it is clearly something very dangerous if not treated with antivirals.
Below is a list of outspoken dissidents, who all have died. Where I have an age it is given.
I have corresponded with several of them, incl. Kelly John Landis and Jack Levine.
May they all rest in peace.
Can you make a similar list of HIV+ dissidents who are still alive, and not on drugs? It will be there, but my sad statistics says it will be short. The average time between infection and AIDS is estimated to be about 10 years.
Or can you provide a list of notabilities who after the discovery of the potent antivirals (roughly 1995) who started medication as recommended, and are dead? I can’t help, the people I know who started medication in time(*) are all alive. (~10 people or so)
(*)If you wait until you get totally sick from AIDS you chances are much poorer.
More on http://www.aidstruth.org/denialism/dead_denialists
Well, I got an instant smirk when the very first thing was a disclaimer pointing out that this documentary is based on alternative theories, and most definitely isn’t given as medical advice or instruction.
You don’t see many of them on condom adverts.
Chr Monsune,
I don’t think you have the slightest grasp on Farr’s Law as it pertains to HIV/AIDS. In the US, HIV “infection” has remained at a FLAT LINE LEVEL,from the first random sample testing in 84 until now..26 years later at about .05% (ranging from as low as about .043 to .063%) That means roughly about 1 person out of 200 will test “positive” to HIV antibody year after year after year. This is well confirmed by the CDC on over 25 million Americans EVERY YEAR and disputes any small studies conducted by Big Pharma paid liars. HIV is NOT new. You would probably find the same random numbers going back to 1890 and in 2050 as well.
HIV obviously fails EVERY “cause and effect” test you can possibly examine it under to try and demonstrate HIV as the cause of AIDS.
1.The Patient is ANTIBODY IMMUNE (no rampant viral particle increase compared to any other viral disease – NO active virus)
2. Retroviruses do not kill host cells, or they would kill themselves as well. — years of study and common sense prove this.
3. There is not enough active virus to kill cells even if they did. This wold be like killing the Chinese army at three soldiers a day.
4. Viruses don’t take 25 years to cause a disease, the life span of “HIV infection is about three weeks.
5. Farr’s Law again.. HIV Can NOT be new.
6. HIV has no AIDS causing genes and is exactly like all other harmless retroviruses.
7. It does not work evenly in US women or in people outside of risk groups, all of which have reasons to explain why they are sick without HIV.
8. It does not work the same way with drug addicts, *** men, or people living in dire poverty. AIDS is totally different in every continent in the world, due to different causes in each.
9. People without HIV in these risk groups get the SAME diseases (all 29 of them are old and existed for years before “AIDS)
10 The Vast majority of people (about 95% worldwide) with “HIV infection” are healthy not sick. WHO and UNAIDS have even admitted that their “projections were wrong and misguided”
I think you should do the same. Give it up. HIV/AIDS is a terrible fraud and lie.
Will See wrote:
“Chr Monsune,
I don’t think you have the slightest grasp on Farr’s Law as it pertains to HIV/AIDS. ”
As mathematician and with access to infection figures I should have!
“In the US, HIV “infection” has remained at a FLAT LINE LEVEL,from the first random sample testing in 84 until now..”
When HIV was discovered, new infections had already peaked. Other countries, like Thailand show the same trend. This is exactly what Farr’s law says – after the peak there will be a drop-off, and then a fairly constant level.
With an average incubation period of 10 years, you will see the result in AIDS death ten years later. So, we should see AIDS deaths topping around 1991-1992. Do we? Look at this curve, “Aids diagnoses and Deaths”, in the middle of this page
http://www.avert.org/usa-statistics.htm
A perfect (and sad) illustration of Farr’s law – which the researchers sucessfully used to predict the drop-off in new cases, despite overstatements be certain journalists.
“HIV obviously fails EVERY “cause and effect” test you can possibly examine it under to try and demonstrate HIV as the cause of AIDS.”
It overwhelming fulfills every test.
“1.The Patient is ANTIBODY IMMUNE (no rampant viral particle increase compared to any other viral disease – NO active virus)”
Wrong. There is no immunity and lots of active virus.
“2. Retroviruses do not kill host cells, or they would kill themselves as well. — years of study and common sense prove this.”
Retroviruses kill host cells. A cell can product hundreds or thousands of viruses before it dies. That the last virus is lost when the cell die does not matter.
“3. There is not enough active virus to kill cells even if they did. This wold be like killing the Chinese army at three soldiers a day.”
There is plenty of virus to kill cells, but that is not the worst problem, it is the break-down of the immune system.
“4. Viruses don’t take 25 years to cause a disease, the life span of “HIV infection is about three weeks.”
25 years? Average is about 10. The life-span of HIV (and many other virus-infections) is from infection till you die. Herpes is probably the best known example, and you can carry the virus for 20 years before your first break-out.
“5. Farr’s Law again.. HIV Can NOT be new.”
As shown with above curve: HIV is a school example demonstration of Farr’s law.
“6. HIV has no AIDS causing genes and is exactly like all other harmless retroviruses.”
There is no such thing as “AIDS causing genes”. HIV destroys the immune system. There are several harmful retroviruses, including Rous virus and mouse mammary virus.
“7. It does not work evenly in US women or in people outside of risk groups, all of which have reasons to explain why they are sick without HIV.”
Why should it work evenly in groups with different risk behavior, and with different prevalence of HIV?
The lack of AIDS in persons outside the risk group is just one more demonstration of AIDS as a result of infection – children (unless the mother was HIV+) never get AIDS. Neither do old people who no longer has sex.
“8. It does not work the same way with drug addicts, *** men, or people living in dire poverty. AIDS is totally different in every continent in the world, due to different causes in each.”
What do you mean “it does not work in the same way”? Infection, initial immune response and then progress to AIDS. T-cell count falling steadily, then diseases as a result of immune system failure.
“9. People without HIV in these risk groups get the SAME diseases (all 29 of them are old and existed for years before “AIDS)”
And so? It is all in the numbers. If somebody tell you that alcohol causes traffic accidents would you say “No, also people who don’t drink has accidents?”
The 29 diseases are picked as an indicator of how far your progression has come. Some of them can happen without HIV, like certain weight loss.
There were 32 reported cases of PCP before the AIDS epidemic (all in people with lowered immune system, e.g. due to treatment for accepting transplants). Even large hospitals did not store medicine to treat PCP, as years would pass by without a case.
Then came AIDS, and suddenly 65,000(!) PCP cases were counted in less than a decade. All in HIV+ people. Same figures for several other diseases, like KS. A terrible demonstration of the effect of HIV.
“10 The Vast majority of people (about 95% worldwide) with “HIV infection” are healthy not sick. WHO and UNAIDS have even admitted that their “projections were wrong and misguided””
They should have studied Farr’s law! Even so, projections for disease is hard to make.
“I think you should do the same. Give it up. HIV/AIDS is a terrible fraud and lie.”
In all medical research, the link between HIV and immune disease is the most overwhelmingly demonstrated causality.
If you don’t get HIV you can safely bet 100,000 to one that you in the next 20 years will not get PCP, KS or a CD4 cell count below 300.
If you are HIV+ even a fifty-fifty bet is a very bad deal.
It is a no-brainer.
I said:
“If you don’t get HIV you can safely bet 100,000 to one that you in the next 20 years will not get PCP, KS or a CD4 cell count below 300.
If you are HIV+ even a fifty-fifty bet is a very bad deal.”
I should have added that it only applies to untreated cases.
If people are treated in time (which is before having progressed to AIDS) life goes on. T-cells start rising and the progression towards AIDS is reversed.
Even if diagnosed with AIDS there are good chances for a normal life, though significantly worse than for above.
Are the meds toxix? Sure. All meds are, not the least those you need to keep taking.
But those starting early enough can avoid the worst drugs, and life appears pretty normal.
I know quite a handful of such people. I also had a couple of friends who treated too late, some because they did not know their status, some because they denied the effects of HIV.
i just have a few things to say, i’m just got through a course in bloodborne pathogens and when dealing with the HIV/AIDS topic there are some confusing things about it e.g. it is taught that one has a 0.3 percent chance of contracting HIV from an infected needle, now with a percentage that low how is it they say that drug users contract this virus from the needles….hmm? The other point i notice is that it is taught that one has a 0.09 percent chance of contracting HIV through mucous contact, so how can they say you can contract the virus through one sexual encounter…..hmm? so i fully believe this documentary, if you want more scientific evidence watch the documentary “AIDS INC.” It’s more scientific and detailed than this one, i fact i sent it to some of my friends that are doctors and scientific researchers who would soon get back to me on this
“it is taught that one has a 0.3 percent chance of contracting HIV from an infected needle, now with a percentage that low how is it they say that drug users contract this virus from the needles….hmm? ”
This is because of the difference in the way the needles are used.
If you just put the needle into another person, inject something, then withdraw the needle and then by accident get the needle into your own skin the chance is very small. The 0.3% is simply calculated statistically – how many infected,
divided with how many reported an accident with a HIV+ person.
But recreational drug users don’t do it like that – they deliberately drag lots of blood into the syringe to mix with the drugs, all to boost the effect when it’s re-injected into the bloodstream. When pass the syringe to the next person and he does the same, any blood left in the syringe (and there will always be some) will directly mix with the blood from the previous one.
In my opinion it should come as no surprise to anybody that we here talk about two completely different scenarios and a dramatically different infection risk.
Add to that, that accidents for a nurse will be rare event, most likely only one single time in their life. Drug users do their injection over and over again.
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“The other point i notice is that it is taught that one has a 0.09 percent chance of contracting HIV through mucous contact, so how can they say you can contract the virus through one sexual encounter…..hmm?”
You can also win the lottery, even if you only play once. It is just not very likely.
In addition, the figure 0.09% is average. Those having sores (typically from other STDs) have a much higher risk.
But sure, the average high-school student that has casual sex at some party, should not destroy months of their life worrying about HIV-infection.
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“i fully believe this documentary, if you want more scientific evidence watch the documentary “AIDS INC.” It’s more scientific and detailed than this one, i fact i sent it to some of my friends that are doctors and scientific researchers who would soon get back to me on this”
There is definitely an “AIDS Inc.”, and some drug companies who make big money. Also, some CEOs would like to bend the truth to suit their business – it is their job. But it is not from them we form our opinion about HIV and AIDS.
In all countries the tobacco companies are among the largest businesses. So, how many doctors are they buying? How many people believe, that smoking is probably not harmful to your health?
I don’t know anybody. The evidence against smoking is overwhelming, with literally tens of thousands of studies showing the causality between smoking and disease.
But you will find a few discredited scientists that still claim that smoking does not cause disease, and can drum up arguments that convinces laymen.
Likewise for HIV and AIDS.
This doc throws alot at the viewer and very quickly. It quotes different studies without much context, and uses only two expert sources over and over again. Dr. Dueling is used most prominently, and only towards the end do we find out that he had lost all of his federal funding allegedly as a result of his outspoken criticisms of the HIV=AIDs hypothesis. I wonder if he is not motivated somewhat by his frustrations. Also, much of the science quoted here is pretty dated, going back into the early 1990s. Would have liked to see more recent studies used.
I honestly don’t know what to make of this film. Quite scary if it is true in its accusations that AIDs has not been cured, because we’ve focused on the wrong causes.
Hi,
“…only towards the end do we find out that he [Dr. Duesberg] had lost all of his federal funding allegedly as a result of his outspoken criticisms of the HIV=AIDs hypothesis.”
To get funding you have to do scientific work, which stands up to peer review for quality.
Duesberg’s ‘work’ for the last 20 years is a disaster. In the beginning he shared the view on the causes of AIDS with a number of other researchers. Not yet so many cases. All options were open. Drugs? Bacteria? Food poisoning?
Then came the explosion in AIDS cases in the eighties. Only a few doctors in the world would ever have seen a PCP case. Then, in ’81, 4 cases in the same hospital. The Lancet called it “bizarre”. In the coming years such cases grew to tens of thousands.
Several large studies were made, involving a thousands of homosexuals.
Drugs as cause were ruled out by the strongest argument we have: total lack of sufficient correlation.
OK, AIDS was found mostly among ****, and many **** use poppers. So far so good.
But in came children born by HIV+ mothers, bleeders using blood products, **** who swore they never used drugs, people who injected known recreational drugs etc. Only common link: being HIV+.
Studies involving thousands(!) of *** men were made. Some being HIV+, some HIV-, some using poppers extensively, others none.
The results were crystal clear.
How many immune disease cases was found in poppers-using men that were HIV-negative?
Hundreds? Ten? Five? No: zero.
How about men reporting never using poppers, but being HIV+? Same risk for developing AIDS as popper-users.
With these data the poppers-cause-AIDS theory is stone dead and buried.
But if anyone want to fund Duesberg for doing research, they are welcome. But don’t expect him to do experiments or produce data, he hasn’t been doing this for 20 years.
“I wonder if he is not motivated somewhat by his frustrations. Also, much of the science quoted here is pretty dated, going back into the early 1990s. Would have liked to see more recent studies used.”
To be HIV-does-not-cause-AIDS you have to ignore an enormous amount of research, and select a few studies that could be interpreted to support this view.
“I honestly don’t know what to make of this film. Quite scary if it is true in its accusations that AIDs has not been cured, because we’ve focused on the wrong causes.”
AIDS has not been cured, as it is impossible to remove the virus from long-lived cells in the body. With medication we can suppress HIV to become undetectable, but when the treatment stops the HIV-count goes up again.
could you all check out this link please http://www.duesberg.com/subject/africa2.html
What a joke of a Doc.
Hi to everyone again.
It is my duty to again tell the world about honoring theirs hearts and their intuitions.
A few of my good friends have been on the cocktail for many years. Even though their “numbers are good” they don’t feel so good or look so good…
Here it goes:
15 years ago I was diagnosed HIV +.
Even though it could sound like a death sentence something inside me knew it wasn’t.
The doctors tried to pressure me to go on a treatment but I felt very skeptical about it.
There nothing personal about their advice and it seems like they were trained to give out drugs without recommending other alternatives.
Their one track minded attitude made me suspicious.
I also wasn’t ready to a lifetime commitment to take very hardcore drugs for the rest of my life. I wasn’t ready to endure terrible side effects and poison my body because the establishment said so.
This documentary confirms what I believed from the get go.
According to Hiv/Aids establishment I should be dead by now and I am alive and well.I have vibrant health needles to say I have been working out for 18 years and I eat well.I am no Saint and I have done my fair share of partying and staying up all night.
I am the Anti Christ of the establishment and I am going to keep on testifying so I can inspire other people to believe in themselves and not believe the hype.
Love and Light.
E
Dear E,
you write:
“According to Hiv/Aids establishment I should be dead by now”
This is simply not true. The “establishment” records experiences with HIV-infected people, and a small percentage of people never progress to AIDS, and some progress very slowly. Average is around 10 years.
For this reason, treatment is usually postponed until figures and a general health evaluation says “time to start”.
Great that you can stay well for long time. Some people are that lucky. Some people are not.
Note that this goes for virtually any known disease. Do you die from Malaria? Typhoid? Cholera? Plague? There is no “according to establishment”-opinion here. Some die rapidly, some are close, some just get sick, some are hardly affected.
There are also nobody (to my knowledge) that dispute that antivirals have some (small) toxic effect. Note, that the more you have allowed yourself to progress, the more toxic medicine you may have to take.
The big problem is, that figures – viral load and T-cell counts – have to be respected, regardless of whether you have lived alright with HIV-infection for 5 or 15 years. Please do not make the mistake, that just because you are in the lucky group you will forever be so.
When figures get bad enough there is one thing certain: that HIV is so much more “poisonous” than the meds. With meds you live fine, without them you, frankly, are so likely to die.
Do your checks, and if doctor’s recommendation is that it’s time to start treatment, think more than twice before saying no.
May you stay well forever!
Best,
Chr. Monsune
This gave me a new outlook to all the programming of media and medicine. I do not have the either of the diseases but always try to learn and educate myself on what I do not know. The first rule I am inclined to use now is: Everyone wants one thing from me and that is my BELIEF in them or what they are saying. Please learn and practice this rule as well!
Chr Monsone – you are typically a person who loves to sound informed and educated! You fail to look at things critically and certainly, your ability to oberve things socially is weak. i was diagnosed HIV positive too 8 years ago and I was told point blank by a doctor i was gonna be dead in four years. i literelly laughed in his face and have since refused to take any of their meds and I am here alive and well.
People who are diagnosed HIV positive tend to be people with different social and geographical backgrounds. Seems so funny how among prostitutes who are found to be positive – those prostitutes who use drugs and maintain a risky type of behavior die a lot faster than those hookers who live a relatively clean life and do not take HIV drugs. have you considered the fact that there is a trend called sex tourism in the world? And the culprits in this trend are White American and white British men? they go to the world’s brothels in third world countries to have sex for a dollar all night with young vulnerable children.
They do this in the so called HIV havens! Do not fool yourself to think these perverts use condoms – because a lot of biracial children are being born in these brothels, they are left behind by their father who go back to America to their “responsibilities” – now imagine this happening for over 30 years but the statistics of the infection rate in USA has been always constant for the past 25 years (1 million infected since recording started, while in Africa and Asian the virus infected millions n the same period of time) . I do not know about you – but I am not ******. I imagine, illicit drugs’ business runs in the billions and the major consumers of those drugs are Americans.
I have lived among Americans my friend – they live for sex and drugs and there is practically no class discrimination when it comes to that – do you want to tell me that when they are loaded with drugs, which are known to increase sexual desire, they will always remember to wear condoms before sex? Well if so how come stats USA claims an increase in the spread of gonorrhea and other other stds?
Conspicuously while all other STDs are on the rise in USA, the HIV numbers remain constant at i million over the years. Now consider this – they tell you one person is infected with HIV every nine seconds in USA or Canada – ok just do the Maths.If the number of those being infected would remain constant, that is only possible mathematically if the number of people being infected is equal to the number of people dying from HIV/AIDS.
Well there are drugs to help people live ha? well if we do not see the AIDS graves, why are the numbers of infection in USA constant? Surely you must think Africans are children of a lesser God. You know nothing about how a dangerous disease like syphilis is neglected in Africa mean time ti has spread its tendercles and is ravaging populations there while over-funded organizations and individuals go there to look for HIV.
People like yo know little and little knowledge is always very dangerous. Personally I find Robert Gallo to be an ***** who loves to bask in Academic glory – be careful of such people. there are a lot of eminent biologist who have disputed him and while the statistical evidence is piling against him, i wonder why people of little knowledge like you even bother to comment on a serious issue like this one.
This documentary is very thought provoking. I can’t say I bought it hook line and sinker, and at the same time it gives me something to think about. FOR A FACT! I know a couple whose wife is HIV positive for 29 years, remarried three times but none of her husbands are HIV positive even though they attest to not using condoms during sex. Also as of today she is as healthy as a mountain goat!
I have heard about this claim that HIV does not cause AID cries before and have always said it is all bananas, but this documentary has given me another way to look at the whole scary picture.
Sorry for posting twice, this is mildly edited.
WHATEVER YOU DO, PROTECT YOURSELF REGARDLESS OF WHO IS SPEWING PROPAGANDA!!!!
On the other hand, this documentary is very thought provoking. I can’t say I bought it hook line and sinker, and at the same time it gives me something to think about. FOR A FACT! I know a couple whose wife is HIV positive for 29 years. Within 29 years, she remarries three times, but none of her husbands are HIV positive. Yet none of them ever used condoms during sex with her! Also as of today she is as healthy as a mountain goat!
I have heard about this claim that HIV does not cause AIDS before, and I have always said it is all bananas. However, this documentary has given me another way to look at the whole scary picture.