Making the Connection

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Making the ConnectionDo you have to choose between a healthy, fun, modern lifestyle and a fair, sustainable, compassionate lifestyle?

No, you can have it all! Watch Making the Connection and decide for yourself.

Making the Connection is a new film which invites you on a journey - together with a chef, a farmer, an MP, an athlete, a dietitian, a poet.

Explores an exciting lifestyle which combines delicious, healthy food with tackling many of the global challenges facing us today.

Will you make the connection and become part of the solution?

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110 Comments / User Reviews

  1. sober42long

    I'm all about eating fruits and vegetables, but some serious business must go down before I would be willing to give up my meats. Nothing but "green" propaganda. Overpopulation is the root of all these proposed problems. Mother Earth is in control and will implement all of her power to maintain homeostasis for her own.
    Racism and sexism still live strong in the minds of humanity. What makes these hipsters think the world will bow down to inferior wild creatures. Since the beginning of human existence we have been killing and eating animals. This hipster vegan movement will not catch on with the majority. If you really want to help mother Earth then remove yourselves from her lands and waters.

  2. heWinked

    make me super charged for veg and fruits and nuts and tofu...loved it before it was hip...made me think and watch a lion...and wanted to project this mentality to a lion...but, um,tofu...maybe more specifically spices...ain't what a lion is thinking when it chomps into its food source...when it is plenty...evolution is sometimes slow without a cataclysmic event..i want a hot dog...sausage...sour-kraut....wine vinegrette and dijon mustard

  3. Robert

    Then donate your clothes and belongings, walk far into the woods and remove your self. Give your body to the animals to eat.

    Over population is not he problem reckless selfishness is.
    You may have the capability to behave the way you are, but the planet isn't capable of absorbing the negative effects.
    You don't have the right to act in a harmful way.
    You have the obligation to act in respect of the plants, animals and the nature that made your little life possible in the first place.

  4. Reasons Voice

    Organic farming is a pipe-dream with current population levels. We feed crops artificial nutrients because it is the only way to assure high enough anual yields to sustain the people. Organic farming for high yield does more damage to the earth than current farming methods. And organic crop needs to draw all of its nutrients from the soil. Soil depletion is a very serious issue. In one valley in the US that has been heavilly comercially farmed for the past 150 years the soil has been measured to track depletion. At around 1900 they found that 25 feet of rich top soil was present before reaching clay and bed-rock. By 1950 that was down to 12 feet. since the use of artificial fertilizers began it has only depleted another 2 feet in 40 years. Major difference.

  5. monkey

    Im all for veggies and fruit, but this vision of veganism is all very well in the UK where you have access to designer "organic" food and the money to pay for these less productive (although more harming) hence more expensive food sources.

    Besides I have a problem with the fact Nature is responsable for our species to evolve to be Omnivores, and I dont doubt the wisdome of nature.

  6. djrakman

    god damn i hate you vegans........... signed the chef

  7. Robert

    It's not about loving or hating vegans or meat eaters.
    It's about respecting the planet and it's inhabitants by not ruining it all, that shouldn't be to hard see?
    Natural fertilizers and remineralizing are good thing that doesn't deplete the soils.
    The problems with eating meat is that it consumes vast amounts of crops and fresh water. It will be the demise of the rain forests.
    Stop believing the propaganda of the big money makers. They're interested in making millions, not improving your or the planets health.

  8. bones

    Vegan forever

  9. Waldo

    "Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life, this is necessary." The immortal words of the Reverand Maynard, and how right he was. Vegans think it is presumptuous for man to feed on the life of other living creatures. I think it is presumptuous for man to think he has the ability to remove himself from the natural equation, or circle of life feeding on life. It has always and will always be this way, it is the natural order of things. We attempt to seperate our selves form this cycle under the guise of being civilized or concerned with the well being of other creatures, maybe even concerned with our own health, when in reality it is simply another attempt by man to distance himself from the cold harsh realities that constitute life. The more boudaries we put between ourselves and our true animal nature, the safer we feel. Its our old primitive mind demanding we put as much distance as possible between ourselves and the closest predator basically- (we can not be predated if we are not animals and animals eat other animals so we must stop eating other animals) We became omnivores because it is the most balanced and therefore readily available diet- you just eat the first edible thing you run across whether plant or animal. It has even been hypothesized that our ancestors that began to eat meat got the necessary nutritional boost from the excessive protein in their diet to facilitate our larger and more complex brains to develope, which now tell some people that eating meat is wrong. Confused yet? Life is no fairy tale and you can not make it through this world without killing and using some type of life to stay alive yourself, get over it! In fact, embrace it.

  10. Waldo

    As usual the answer lies in the middle ground. We should not eat as much meat as we do here in the west, but we need not give up meat altogether. I am a farmer, have been all my life. These new alternative approaches are simply not sustainable on big commmercial farms. The food they produced would be so expensive no one could buy it. I would have to hire people and buy machinery to simply work the compost piles and so forth. Then I would need trucks to transport the compost to the fields and machinery and people to spread it and work it into the soil. Besides, I have spent thousands of dollars and many years learning how to farm the way I do- I neeed much more incentive to change than a few hippies worried about the poor little animals or more tree huggers talking about the end of the world as we know it. How about some government incentives like subsidies for organic farming? How about getting people that I trust involved, like the local co-ops and state agriculture boards, maybe agriculuture based colleges like Auburn University? Then I might listen, for now it is just another bunch of holier than thou kids out to change the world to what they think it should be. These people do not know the first thing about how I live or what it is really like here on a farm, they look like they would melt in the rain. A bunch of posh new york restaurant owners and hippies, get real.

  11. Robert

    It's pure misguided selfishness that motivates us to ravage, rape and eat everything that comes in our path... if someone/thing tries to kill you it will make sense to fight but that does not make it smart to kill and destroy everything in sight.

    By the way, there are a lot of different theories of our heritage but the evidence is absolutely overwhelming. The best food for us is based on raw fruit and other edible plants.

  12. Robert

    "A bunch of posh new york restaurant owners and hippies, get real."
    Hahaha, well ... talk to the rest of then, instead of throwing around with unflattering assumptions.
    The problem is not the consumption of a little diesel. IT'S THE SCALE OF IT ALL.
    Buy the way, tough guy. Maybe you should come hang out with me camping in the forests sleeping in tents? In the winter. Well below freezing point day and night.
    Not everybody is converse wearing city slicker ... just as with meat eaters.

  13. StatingtheObvious

    All food would be expensive without State subsidies. Meat would be super expensive, most people would have to take on a more leafy/rooty diet if those subsidies stopped flowing.

    Vegan is by the far the healthiest choice you can make along with an active lifestyle. I personally tried it for a year, but munchies + veganism don't mix when you're not an experienced practitioner. I caved in to chicken wings. mmm

  14. StatingtheObvious

    The livestock industry consumes most of our crops and is a huge polluter too. Healthier cows taste better anyway.

  15. Waldo

    @ Robert
    You missed the entire point of my post, genuise. I am saying if you want me to take farming advise from someone then don't show me people that have no idea what farming really is. And stop showing the college grad with his forty acre play farm where he grows everything organically with a compost pile and a worm bed. His methods mean nothing when you are farming thousands of acres and growing commercial crops. Not to mention that all state funded subsidies and programs are geared toward conventional farming, I have to take advantage of those things to stay competative if I am a true commercial farmer. The difference in me working from sun up to sun down and beyond in the rain, sow, mud, or whatever mother nature decides to throw my way and you camping in the woods in your tent should be pretty apparent "tough guy", but I am not interested in a pissing contest.

  16. Robert

    If you don't want to piss on people .. don't "A bunch of posh new york restaurant owners and hippies, get real."
    And saying "the government only supports toxic megafarms" (or something similar) is NOT an argument for ruining the environment. It's an argument for a NEW GOVERNMENT and outlawing lobbying.
    The planet is under heavy pressure and meat will require up to 10 times of the crops and a LOT more of the fresh water ...
    Also, the meat eating milk drinker will get a LOT sicker and consume an enormous amount of resources (production, sick care etc) compared to a raw vegan.
    But hey, in this capitalistic (unsustainable) system all consumption is encouraged because it makes the money circulate and then a lucky few can fill their pockets while most people are dying together with all the other life forms on this planet.

    THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO GO - SUSTAINABILITY
    Any argument against that should make us all question the motives.

  17. JustinLee

    Well said Waldo

  18. FriLLox

    great video, go vegan !

  19. Achems Razor

    Some people do well on carb diets, some people do well on protein diets. and some do well on a mixture of both. Myself do best on protein, namely try to follow the "Paleo diet" Like cave-man EH!

    Do not drink any milk, even though in Canada our milk is not full of antibiotics and growth hormones like USA milk.

    Buy eggs from happy chickens, free run. buy organic chickens to eat, no growth hormones or antibiotics. Buy grass fed beef, no growth hormones, nor antibiotics etc: Lots of wild pacific salmon, need "Omega 3"

  20. Just Wendy

    Well, I'm not sure what to think. Is this about what? I don't think it is a war to be won. Everyone has their life, life experiences and viewpoints and rarely are two persons the same.
    For the record - I love eating animals.
    For the record - I no longer eat animals.
    Does that mean you are better than me? No. That I am better than you? No. That no one can continue their lifestyle? No.

    Eating is an extremely personal subject, when someone comes at you with a belief different from yours on something so fundamental then it seems that it is a strike against YOU personally, it's hard to take.

    When the natives hunted for food (and most all their supplies) they prayed before the hunt, they took only what they needed, thanked the animal for its sacrifice and used everything.

    I remember seeing lions and gazelles at the same watering hole in Africa and co-habitating quite naturally, because there was no threat. The lions were not hungry and it was safe.

    My eyes were closed for a very long time. By accident, a book came into my life and when I read it I kind of shuddered... what??? Another book, then another book and then I started to pay attention to the TV and what I was watching and not seeing but taking in....

    Then I knew... You can't wake a person that's pretending to be asleep.

    Our grandchildren will ask us one day, "Where were you during the holocaust of the animals? What did you do against these horrifying times?" - We won't be able to offer the same excuse for a second time, that we didn't know." - Helmut Kaplan

    "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." - Adolph Hitler

    Me: I don't want to hurt anything anymore.

    To you, my friends,

    If you are in a place in your life to question... and it's okay if you're not, each one of us is on our own path and no one is wrong....

    If you are:

    Some Recent Books -
    Eating Animals
    Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs and Wear Cows
    Factory Farming
    Thanking the Monkey
    An American Trilogy, Death, Slavery and Dominion on the Banks of the Cape Fear River

    Documentaries:
    The Cove
    Sharkwater
    Earthlings

    I didn't recommend "Food, Inc." just cause. As Ellen Degeneres said in an interview, "Food Inc., is like a Disney movie compared to Earthlings." (An award-winning documentary narrated by Joaquin Phoenix that will help you understand what is happening now on our planet)

    So... you can take the RED pill or the BLUE pill. You can see or you can stay safe, it is totally up to you.

    Kind regards to all,
    Just Wendy

  21. Johhny

    Whoever stated that organic sustainable farming is more harmful than industrial/fertilizer farming, simply don't know wtf they are talking about. Totally unscientific and short-sighted. "Feet of soil"? Freaking joking right? How was farming done before fertilizers? aka 80 years ago. Did that do much damage? (population was smaller, yet so was land usage) Don't confuse technology (ie tractors, refineries, mills) with fertilisers and GM seeds. Do the research first, dig deep and try to be unbiased (read all sides to the story) Then perhaps your misinformed, brainwashed opinion may take a different turn.

    Personally I am for a balanced approach as well. Complete eradication of meat is unnecessary at this point in time. We are also evolving biological species, we may someday evolve our bodies to get maximum nutrition out of plant based diets, without the need for livestock - perhaps. For now we are dependant on it...but at the rate we are consuming now, yes technically speaking its destructive, unsustainable, careless, it won't last forever and this kind of consumption will lead to major breakdowns in the agriculture sector in the long run.

    SO we have no choice but to develop more creative and sustainable ways of farming, yes organic, yes compost, yes cow manure with compost, yes to all those things. Yes its possible commercially, yes its possible on a big scale... you simply haven't done the maths yourself, researchers have and are still doing it now. Yes subsidised, yes one day your food may cost more in the current economical paradigm, but the cost of healthcare, pollution, and many other factors will by far decrease. Hence if you include many factors, the benefit surely outweighs the actual cost in the food.

  22. Reasons Voice

    In my previous post I mentioned soil depletion and how it differs between organic farming and farming with artificial nutrients. I have been reading the posts since then and @Robert makes a good point about the use of natural fertilizers and soil remineralization. However @StatingTheObvious mentions that excess livestock is the problem. Well it is the "excess" livestock that produces the "natural fertilizer" needed in solution one. As in just about every other major issue in the world, we just can't all have what we want. Every decision and or solution will naturally lead to a different problem to get upset about. In all honesty the only viable solution to create sustanability and simultaneously lower environmental damage is population controll. I think everyone on this forum can see where that would go and how well the people of the world would take that judgement. A fart in church comes to mind.

  23. Robert

    The crops consumed by the live stock can never be replaced by the manure.
    We could solve the problem with population control but it's pretty darn late for that so I guess it will be the hell bent on consuming too much that will have to pay for it.
    Meat eaters, you will have to lay down and die in large enough numbers so that the planet can stand a chance. Does that sound like good plan? No? Then, go veggie.
    And NO, you will NOT starve to death. Just check out the gazillion veggie elite athletes ...
    You will in fact get healthier. :)

  24. Meme

    I'm all for protecting the enviroment and respect for animals but going vegan is not the answer for all humans..we have evolved to eat meat as well as fruit and veg..I believe the problem is humans over consume meat, you just don't need it with every meal, mushrooms contain protein and nuts contain fats and protein and so I choose to top up with these where others may choose extra meat. The diverse farming idea is very interesting to me and I hope we see more of that.

    Pets were mentioned in this, my comment to what was said is animals should not be kept as pets they should be free in the wild to fend for themselves instead of at the mercy of humans, its just as bad as eating them.

  25. Reasons Voice

    Well maybe we will have some sort of mass extinction event someday. Hate to break it to the vegans but the omnivores will do better at surviving the aftermath. Hard to find Centrum supliments in the wilds.

  26. Waldo

    @ meme

    99.9 percent of pets are domesticated animals that would die in the wild. My dog is so spoiled he would not last a month if no one took care of him, and he is a bull dog. Think about poor toy poodles and so forth, some wild animal would eat them. Cows and Horses are also domesticated animals that will not make it in the wild, so what do all you animal lovers propose we do with them if we are no longer going to farm them? Possibly horses could be returned to the wild if a wild pack would adopt them, but they would have issues with their feet that have been shoed and protected all their lives.

    Listen i live on a huge farm located right in the middle of an even bigger game reserve. Farmers are not cruel to their animals, at least most are not. We take in every stray that walks by and our cows, pigs, chickens, etc. live under the best conditions possible. We use no growth hormones and we process and use our own crushed grain, so no additives. Yes in the end they are taken to slaughter, but what is the alternative? If we can not get some type of return we can not care for these animals that can not care for themselves. Besides its not like they sit around fretting the day they will be slaughtered, they are animals and not capable of this type of thinking. They spend every day being fed and pampered and even loved, yes loved. We love every animal on this place, especially our dogs which eat better than me most of the time.

    As far as all this whining about meat eaters, get over it. We are not going any where. I take my meat from the wild, not from domesticated animals. Mainly because I like the leaner meat deer possess, but also because I enjoy hunting. If we hunters did not hold the deer population in check around here no one could drive for hitting them. We already have literally hundreds of seriouse car accidents in this area every year because deer run out in front of cars constantly. Not to mention that if the population was left to run wild they would soon deplete their food resources and all would die off. The coyote and coyote/wolf hybrid in this area has been seriousely effected by loss of habitat and people killing them out of fear and ignorance, they do not predate enough deer any more. So the hunters are allowed to fill that gap, its really just game management and it makes the deer population much more healthy in the end.

  27. Chuck Rogers

    If it was not for the herds of cattle raised for meat eaters, there would not be enough organic fertilizers to sustain the organic gardens that we have today at reasonable levels. The only way it can be kept up at reasonable levels is from the use of human waste and using green manure methods UNTIL all of these practices are learned. In other words, it can't be waste anymore. There are safe ways to compost human fertilizer. Another thing is that sometimes animals for eating are the most efficient way for nature to produce protein without destroying the land. Maybe we should all quit drinking beer, because that uses up so much land, that could be producing food. Think again, the portion of grain that's left in the brewing process goes to feed cattle or pigs. There's just way more involved here than a religious or political preference. This all takes a tremendous amount of work, which takes money, also meaning higher prices. I probably could write a book on the subject, but I choose to do that somewhere else instead of cluttering up this wonderful place. It's a good place to ponder, learn from and just plain enjoy. At least it gets people thinking and talking, missing in so many lives. By the way I have chronic disease that is aggravated by the ratio of arginine to lysine in high protein plant products. I don't have much choice but eat meat. Lysine supplements tend to lower the immune response if used as I would need them, so it's a two edged sword. I'm all for people that can do it. I'm troubled by those that have taken this on as a religion though. There's a very good article on this subject in the June/July issue of Mother Earth News, titled, The Truth About Vegetarianism.

  28. Waldo

    I should clear that up I suppose, when I say I live on a big farm in reality this is several farms connected. Our actual plot is only about 85 acres, so its not that big at all.

  29. whoopi goldberg

    like omg i cant believe i just totally like read all of these comments. . overall pretty sad views..

    the message in this doc is a beautiful thing

  30. chickenpants

    and then i say something.

  31. tk

    There is a golden line and this documentary does not touch it by far

  32. Melani Max

    Thumbs up for vegans :)

  33. Meme

    @ Waldo

    First of all I want to clarify that as much as i appreciate the beauty and itteligence of animals I would still eat any edible animal if I was starving...so I am not one of these so called 'animal lovers'!

    My point to all those 'animal lovers' was that keeping a pet is just as bad as farming animals for food and so they shouldn't judge those who farm animals if they keep a pet.

    I see what your saying about pets being domesticated and unable to make it in the wild. I have a domesticated pet(a pooch). I think its a shame that many animals have been brought to a stage of exestence where they couldn't survive without humans but that is life, you cannot reverse it.

  34. PeterKnowling

    For waldo. I grew up on a 5,000 acre farm in South Dakota. It's been in my family for over a hundred years now. When I was growing up we had around 200 hundred head of cattle, sunflowers, flax, wheat, and corn. We didn't go camping and play. Everyone worked their ass off all day. After my granfather died we began renting out the land. He never used any pesticides or fertilizers and we didn't want to start so we got the entire farm certified organic (this takes about three years of work and inspectors come back every season).

    We don't take any subsidies from the government besides from CRP on sections since the entire operation is crop rotated. We had over 300 acres of corn alone and didn't use one drop of pesticides, fertilizers, or cargill crap. I personally hand pulled weeds on literally thousands of acres this past summer. I didn't get paid a penny for my work, everyone in the family knows you just have to do it.

    I'm not a Vegan, but to watch you boasting here about "real farming" looks silly. Is real farming getting gmo seeds from cargill, and then being forced to spray them with round up, and then being prohibited from reusing any seeds from your crop?

    Is that how the process is supposed to work? Or what about using crop rotation, researching what plants will regenerate your soil, getting on your hands and knees and pulling weeds out, and then when time comes to sell you can reuse any seeds that you want, and you're given a much higher price at the elevator as well for certified organic anything. People have a tendency to think that organic farms are little backyards with one guy growing some pumpkins and cabbage, they're not.

  35. Karen

    3 video tonight i wanted to watch and was unable to.

  36. Wayne

    Pie in the sky optimism, protest, and feel-good speeches are ok, but it's avoiding reality. Unless you can make vegan fast, cheap, convienient, and competitive, it will never sell in the world market. You have to appeal to the common consumer.

  37. nikkinoo

    to sober42long;

    i dont know if you have actually done any research on the subject of humans eating meat. it seems you havent. if you research the subject you would know that the human body has enzymes in the stomach. these aid, obviously, in the digestion of food. in carnivores, there is a particular type of enzyme that aids in the digestion of meat. in humans however, there is almost none of this enzyme, suggesting that we are not designed to digest meat. not only that, but the intestines of carnivores are a hell of a lot shorter than humans. the reason for this, again, is to aid in the quick digestion of meat.

    humans have a much longer intestine, meaning that it takes so much longer to digest meat that in fact a lot of the meat ends up in our intestines for a long time, just rotting away in there. nice eh? now in the days where we did used to hunt, maybe things were different in terms of the above factors. maybe we have changed these features due to evolution. that i dont know. however you raise an interesting point. back in the day, yes, we did used to hunt and eat meat. that is because it was necessary to survive. now, thanks to evolution, this is no longer necessary.

    there is so much food, for example soy, and green leafy veg, that provide us with more than enough iron and protein. i say this before you raise the whole "we need meat" argument. everything that is found in meat, which our bodies need, can be found in a lot of other foods. hence, we no longer need meat. not only that, but you make out like it is in our genetic make up to hunt.

    maybe if we went back to the hunter gatherer days, yes. but this argument no longer stands. in fact it is the opposite- is it natural to breed animals for thier meat, use every part of thier carcass for other things such as additives, keep them packed in so they can barely move, and have slaughter houses?

    is it natural to have killing animals so utterly manufactured, that when they go to the slaughterhouse so many have to be killed per hour, meaning that not all animals who are meant to be stunned (so called ethical practice) a lot of the time dont, due to them being missed because they go through so fast, meaning that they are stabbed in the throat, hung up by thier back legs, and skinned alive whilst they are conscious?

    is it natural to pump so many chemicals (including antibiotics) into these animals that they in turn have an effect on us, just to get chickens to lay more eggs, cows to grow bigger etc? is it natural to cut the beaks right off the chickens faces while they are conscious, just to stop them pecking at farmers? is it natural that the feet of these chickens end up growing around the mesh wire because they are cooped up so tightly and never set free?

    i think not. so, to cut it short, we are NOT playing along with mother nature. we are F@#$%^& with it. (p.s- im not even going to go into the evil acts of torture many slaughterhouse staff committ onto the animals just for a laugh)anyway, i just wanted to make you a little more informed, so that when you pick arguments or make statements, you may actually know a few facts first.

  38. BigBlueBalloon

    Woah, I was not expecting this at all, No Hard Feelings against Vegans however, it's your choice...

    IMHO,I still think eating Meat is important, there are proteins the body needs that can only be obtained from Animals.

    You can always just eat 'Vegan Animals' instead or Herbivorous Animals. They are healthy, clean and fit Animals to eat.

  39. Jessica

    When it comes to eating to get nutrition out of your food. IMO, Organic and Fresh is the best way to go, but not always affordable or available so be your own doctor and decide what's best for you and your budget.

    Minimise the chemicals, additives, hormones, pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, antibiotics, GMOs, factory farming, caged animals, and unnatural processing, packaging, long storage, unsustainable farming methods, etc. All of these deplete nutrients and/or add harmful toxins.

    Vegetarian or veganism is not for everyone but I see where they are coming from. A huge meat lobby makes me think I probably don't need to eat so much meat and support the corporate beef industry and huge agribusiness (e.g. Monsanto)! Just like being over-saturated by McDonalds and fast food advertising and their genius marketing methods hints that I don't really need that either.

    PLUS, homegrown veggies always taste better than store bought!

    And sometimes, what tastes good isn't good for you (e.g. MSG makes things taste great! So does sugar!). So you have to use your brain as well as your senses when choosing good (real) food in modern life.

  40. Shmolan

    BigBlueBalloon-

    I'm sorry, but there are most definitely no 'proteins' (I assume you mean essential amino acids) that the human body needs in order to survive that cannot be found in (numerous) plant sources. Go on, check it out if you don't believe me.

    It really shocks me the level of general ignorance in these replies. All the people touting conventional farming as having less impact on the environment than organic farming couldn't be further from the truth.

    I could go on for ages, but I won't, cause those with a little intelligence and desire to know won't learn anything, and those stuck in their ways will not care anyway.

  41. Milly

    Ha ha ha! - Ohhh, well, that was delightful !!

    Reading the meat eaters blogging was very entertaining.

    I'm 31 years age. Vegan for the majority of my life and have NEVER been sick. I am 100% certain this isn't the case with ANY meat eater.

    The comments seem to run away from the film itself.

    To dumb it down for the red neck neanderthals that continue to blindly believe that eating another living animal is natural... you are missing the point entirely.

    This film is intended to educate from all different walks of life - that the symbiotic relationship that connects all human beings to plant and animal life is one to be respected.

    Heart disease, type 2 diabetes, carbon emissions, are all eliminated on a Vegan diet.
    And not to dismiss the cruelty of factory farming, the mental abuse all life sustains before it is slaughtered is barbaric.

    A vegan diet is not a 'trend' - It is about living in harmony with every living creature.

    @Wayne - Are you a "reality consumer?" Haaa! No, no, no... you are the lazy sap I expect you to be... shopping in the supermarket (which is a heaven for advertising) and throwing in tinned food and pre packaged shit into you're trolley...

    Do the research... Vegans are naturally happier, healthier and more active human beings that have an insatiable craving for life. Also... we are incredibly attractive.

  42. Hailey1313

    @ Robert: "It’s about respecting the planet and it’s inhabitants by not ruining it all, that shouldn’t be to hard see?"

    Humans are ruining their own prospects of survival in more ways than this one. People are not going to change; they will continue to watch E! News, MTV, etc. and believe the shit the newscasters tell them. I HATE what happens to animals in these slaughter houses, etc. I HATE what we allow in the U.S. as food, with the influence of Monsanto, etc. However, it's NOT going to change. The majority of people are fucking morons. You can prove this every time you speak with someone who knows more about Kim Kardashian's life than they do about what "vegan" even is. The worst part is that that's EXACTLY the way that person is happy to live...as an empty vacuum--consuming machine--devoid of original thought. Our kind does not deserve to live, and we won't. When we die, the earth gets its serenity back. We don't deserve Earth.

    "Most people would rather die than think; in fact, they do so." - Bertrand Russell.

  43. Tony

    Just found out I am type 2 diabetic and wanted to research good diet. I had no idea what I was about to watch. I also had no idea that eating meat had such an impact on our planet.

    I love meat, leather, eggs and lots of other animal products but this really is an eye opener. Given the fact that I now have to change my diet this looks like a good place to start and heck... might even be doing my part to reverse some environmental issues as well.

    This doc is a good watch.

  44. Samneed

    congratulations on an admirable diet.
    Please be careful with the term 'redneck'...It originates from the concept of the sunburned necks of outdoor workers..and the stereotype that goes along with it.
    would be good if we could stop judging each other and take a positive approach to informing people. insults only alienate and marginalize people

  45. ParadiseFound

    Listen, if you get nothing else from watching this than finally making the connection between human activities and the suffering of other species in order to feed people... then you at least are a thinking being. Maybe sometime in the future your thinking, feeling soul guides you to making choices that benefit the peaceful developments on Earth.

    How can anybody claim to be peaceful when they have to rod animals in order to survive. This is a very primitive attitude. It assumes survival of the fittest to justify the constant war against animals. In WW2 this happened with humans too. Abused, shut into ghettos and camps deprived of dignity and finally murdered by the millions.

    A cattle prod is like a taser gun you know...

    Would you allow aliens to take your wife's baby away, then milk her breasts until they're dry just to make you inseminate her so she becomes pregnant to yield more profitable milk?

    So, hey... why would anyone eat animals and consume their excrements as food when plants are a) more suited to human health and b) less animals are better for the planet?

    Think about it. Actually, think about the delicious enjoyment of plant-based foods :-)

    namaste
    D

  46. Deborah_t8

    I liked your comment and your way of thinking! People are so ignorant. I work in the medical field and people do not know the first thing about eating healthy, It is just easier to eat crap, be morbidly obese and then just pop some prescription chemicals for there high cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc... My career has become a conflict of interest for me, but I am in contact with so many people to educate them, hopefully some will listen, and those that don't, I guess will just die.

  47. Deborah_t8

    Milly, I really enjoyed reading your comment as well. You made me smile!

  48. adwords3

    SANDRA HOOD NEEDs to go back to school.
    Or find the right one.
    Saying saturated fats are bad.
    She looks old, so I guess she hasnt updated
    her knowledge since she learnt that wrong info.

    Too bad people like that actually are seen in documentaries
    saying bullsh*t like that.
    That woman made me stop watching this doc right away.
    Annoying as hell

  49. sam

    "So, hey... why would anyone eat animals ..."

    Well, because they are delicious. I've yet to find a vegetable that is even a fraction as tasty as bacon. I am not trying to sound like a troll there, it is true. I like the taste of meat.. and I have eaten as a vegetarian for a couple years. Even then, the smell of BBQ was hard to take. I think that small scale farming and eating locally produced foods is a reasonable plan. There isn't any diet that will resolve the human overpopulation problems. We build houses on farm land, we build golf courses on farm land... our over growth is more of a problem than what we are eating. Factory farming is bad all around but small scale has worked well for humans for centuries. When people had more active lives and ate what was grown around them that was a workable system. I was raised on a diet that included wild game even. I want to have a diet I enjoy because food is a huge part of human pleasure and happiness... and I just prefer having meats in that diet. The world isn't fair, the actual natural world survives on a cycle of one species eating another. Go tell a lion they are "cruel" for eating antelope... why is it cruel when we eat an animal, but not cruel when it happens in the wild?

  50. sam

    The bigger solution to a sustainable world is controlling the population overgrowth. It isn't cow farts that is killing the planet people.

  51. sam

    Oh, and while I am at this... my cholesterol and blood sugars went from high to normal not by eating vegetarian as I had been doing. Nope. It went down when I dropped the carb intake and began allowing meats again. if you don't eat any animal fats **some** people will begin producing the bad LDL within their bodies. I hate that these people think that what works for them **must** be the right way for everyone. There isn't one way that works for everyone. The guy who drones on and on... he won't win anyone over to veganism with that BS. I want to hear his rationale for how things work in the wild. When responsible farming practices are used and animals handled humanely, there is no difference between us eating meat and other animals who eat meat. Lions usually suffocate their prey. Cats will torture mice. Yes, we can choose our actions more than they, but where does this idea come from that somehow we are cruel or uncaring by eating meat at all? The practices used within farming need to change. Automating slaughter is a bad idea as it has been in other industries. I spent a lot of time on farms and I am convinced that giving the animals a level of respect for what we get from them is what is needed. What do these vegetarians feed their pet cats? Where does that food come from? Is it brought by the food fairy? They could live their lives without having pet cats that would keep that industry going, but they don't. They do what everyone else does... they try not to think about the parts that are bad.

  52. sam

    see my comments above... you might find you are one of the people who actually get worse as a vegetarian or vegan. My mother is a tiny woman who doesn't eat any red meat, watches her intake of everything and did so because of being diabetic and having high cholesterol. Did she get better? nope. At 110lbs she has very high cholesterol. You can choose to drop a fair amount of meat from your diet but if you are considering being a vegan, please don't switch to an increase of carbohydrates as a food source. As a diabetic you may find that your condition worsens and adds high cholesterol as a 2nd factor. Another friend of mine is vegan and a runner... same thing... he now has high cholesterol and a heart condition. This path isn't the right path for everyone. Eat what is produced locally as much as possible. Eat what is in season. Buy organic where possible. Seek out small scale farms and coops. Form coops where you have a say in what happens in the practices. Eat less meat if this works for you. You won't reverse environment issues unless you solve the population explosion and stop consumerism.

  53. sam

    exactly... most people are m*rons. If we taught people to think and try to act as if there was a bigger world than just them, this issue wouldn't exist, whether we ate meat or not. Now, I don't think not willing to be a vegan makes a person a m*ron though. I wouldn't be able to be healthy as a vegan. I medically couldn't unless I also ingested a lot of vegan protein shakes and some form of building blocks for certain proteins not found in plants. I also have no idea who Kim Kardashian is... I don't watch TV.

  54. Michael Smith

    Balance is the key to almost every aspect of life. We have known for years that a balanced diet with meat, vegetables, fruit, nuts, dairy etc is the best. Back in the "hunter/gatherer" days they even had somewhat of a balance between meat, berries nuts etc - not just meat as some say, hence the "gatherer" part.
    Most people do eat far too much meat and processed foods and not nearly enough vegetables, fruits and nuts. If people were to cut back on animal products for food and other uses we would not need to use the disgusting, disease ridden practices that they use today. Nor would we need to use all the antibiotics and other additives that are killing us all. All food can be good for you if it is "farmed" properly but these days with drugging animals, herbicides, pesticides, GMO crops etc almost no food is entirely good. That includes meat, fruits, vegetables, grains, etc
    Most of these bad crops are subsidized by the government (aka our tax dollars) and most farmers feel forced to use this bad practices because they think that is the only way they can compete. This is because the big companies like the evil Monsanto want to have full control over all food production and have paid off the government to allow them to do this. The number of ways that most of the food system is corrupted and made bad for us is so staggering that many books could be written just to list all the problems. Organic farming, crop rotation, ethical treatment of animals etc does produce the healthiest animal and plant products but does cost more initially. In the long run it would save us way more but most people don't and cannot worry about long term. They need to concern themselves with surviving today and tomorrow. It is a very sad state of affairs that we live in these days and without the majority of the population waking up and realizing what is really going on, it is not going to change for the better until we hit rock bottom. This can come in the next 5-20years and will consist of massive starvation, death, disease etc if people do not wake up before this happens.
    For those that do not believe we can survive on organic farming methods, responsible farming practices and eliminating drugs and oil based products. Just take a look at some documentaries of how Cuba survived peak oil. Cuba stands as an example to the rest of the world as to how things can work and will have to work in the future for people to survive.
    Bottom line is that we all need balance in all parts of our lives including our food. We need to become more self sufficient and sustainable. This is very possible to do. The hardest part is fighting the big companies, banks, government and other people that are in the 1% that are trying to kill us off, steal all our money and usurp all the power in the world to control things the way they want. No matter what way we work towards this, it is not going to be easy, it is not going to be fun and it is going to get far worse before it can get better. However, with that said, if we do not start drastic change now, it is going to get even worse. We will end up as controlled as china and as poor as ethiopia. And then it will get worse. The time to act is now, if we do not, we might as well just give up, lay down and die, like so many have already.
    People need to wake up and see what really is happening in the world and not just blindly believe all the crap we are being sold by the mainstream news and other media. A lot of the truth tellers are slammed as being conspiracy nuts but as more information is found and released it is being proven all the time that they are not nuts just because they say "the earth is round, not flat". There are definitely some nuts on both sides of all issues though. One example of this is that a few years back people would call anyone that mentioned the Bildebergers conspiracy nuts and say that they didn't exist. Now we know for 100% fact that they do. I could go on and on for days but I am sure I have said more than enough for now.
    Peace, good fortune, good health and good luck on the future ahead as dim as it seems at this time.

  55. F. Therry Jackson

    Kale has double of calcium then milk

  56. ProudinUS

    Ah man, with all these germs collapsing and breaking through the barriers of your body like a gun one should be extremely careful about what. Their putting in their mouth.

  57. Gregory Olsen

    There's certainly some odd and ludicrous arguements going on here. But I have give the gold medal to Sam who can somehow justify the insipid and cruel practices of factory farming by declaring we say nothing about lions eating antelopes. Perhaps we'd have a lot say about lions eating antelopes if the lions kept the antelopes in tiny cages , pumped them full of growth hormone and antibiotics , feed them on an unnatural diet , made them spend their days standing in their own **** ..... I'm sure then many people would protest and call the lions brutal savages and there'd be many a "Save the Antelope " campaigns.
    Oh well , I've had my small say and I think I'll go and a nice vegetarian drink....what'll it be ? Beer ? Scotch ? Wine ? They're all vegetarian drinks so it doesn't matter!!

  58. L0LAW0NKA

    I can't stand Vegans.. they think they know everything-- but you don't. I was a lacto-frugetarian for THREE YEARS and my skin started turning gray, and I was loosing hair; I also fainted all the time. It was ridiculous. Then I moved to Ecuador after college, and I almost died. Because THAT fricking diet of no meats and no plants was actually killing me. Then I tried eating just vegetables everyday, and I got salmonella. Then I moved to Mexico, and tried eating organic foods, and I got a stomach virus. When I moved to Canada, I started eating FISH and CHICKEN and guess what? I'm healthy. Yeah, so now back in the U.S. I can say I'm a proud omnivore because that is the healthiest diet for humans. Yes, I can say that because I traveled all over the American continent. So you vegans should all do what I did, and SEE THE LIGHT. T______T"

  59. L0LAW0NKA

    If being vegan is so healthy, then why do all vegans look thin, tired and weak. The chemicals must be doing something good for us. Just have a BALANCED diet and exercise. You can do and eat anything that way. Live life and stop worrying about this and that. That's no way to live. If these animal rights people are so concerned with civil rights, they should all move to MEXICO where there are NO civil rights of any kind. Or South America. PeTA is doing enough for Europe. I dare all of you to move there. I was a PeTA member, and when I moved to those countries I asked PeTA for help, and you what they said, "We don't mess with countries whose governments don't support our cause." YEAH. Dissapointment.

  60. TheFountain

    Let me reply to what I believe your first ? is...Not all vegans look thin, tired and weak. I have met vegans and they are glowing, healthy and have energy. Being vegan is not always for ethical reasons, but for health. You state just eat a balanced diet and exercise, but if you eat conventional then you are failing yourself. Do not tell others that they can eat that way. You have not even clarified what a balanced diet is. To your reference to live life and stop worrying...again I would call you a fool. The way to live is being aware and become self educated and not to follow or listen to people like you. You dare someone to come to Europe...well I am and in some of these countries their conventional is better than the U.S. organic and I can say that because that is home. I too have lived around and find that self educating yourself about an area helps. Don't come here to complain about people who don't have the problems you do.

  61. TheFountain

    Well, I am sure that Vegans don't care how you feel about them. Maybe you don't follow the lifestyle properly and that is why you do not succeed. In Ecuador you did no meat and no plants...were you starving yourself...that right you were killing yourself. Well if you are not eating meat or plants you must have eaten nothing. You got salmonella because you did not clean your food. Then you ate organic food from Mexico where they grow their food with human feces and wonder why you got a stomach virus...Hmm...I eat organic and don't touch certain countries organic foods because I read. Now, you are a happy omnivore claiming it is the healthiest diet for humans when our teeth were not made to eat the flesh of animals and our digestive system is not made to break it down the way food should be. Why not read about that. Eating just meat is not good for anyone. And YES I can say all this!

  62. Corbin Nevermore

    So instead of having a horse to do some work, you would rather have a gas motor that is 1000 times more environmentally devastating. Just with anything, if you take it to extremes, you are creating a problem as bad as the one you are battling against. Try some balance vegans. Eat some bacon and get over yourselves.

  63. Wonder

    I'm sorry to have to say this, but you're an I*IOT if you think eating fruits and milk or just vegetables is any kind of a good idea. Where on EARTH did you get your nutritional information???? You have to SUBSTITUTE meats and dairy with other things like soy products, nuts and seeds or beans and eat a large variety of vegetables and fruits to be healthy... It's hard to believe you're not just a troll writing nonsense.

  64. Kuko

    Hello everybody !
    I feel so joyous after watching this !
    I decided to go vegan only two days ago after being vegetarian for two years and not being able to make this decision. But after seeing 'Earthlings' there was no question.
    And when you are shown what a good contribution you are making by going vegan it really makes you feel happy about yoursef and your life.
    Thank you all who made this decision. :)

  65. Francesca

    As a vegan I'd just like to contradict this! Actually factory farming in the US factors in more gas emissions than transportation ie driving cars. So, it is the meat and dairy industry that is actually impacting the world in a worse way!

  66. Francesca

    Agreed! It's a change that trancends inside and out. Living a pure lifestyle is the way to go!!! Congrats :)

  67. thinkagainagain

    According to EPA figures agriculture contributes 8% of greenhouse gases while electricity production (33%) and transportation (28%) contribute the overwhelming majority (61%) of greenhouse gases.

  68. Kuko

    My friend, I don't know how many vegans you know personally, but those you mention have to know around the same about nutrition as you do, maybe that's why. The healthiest ant fittest people I know are my vegan friends, who don't need to see a doctor anymore and never will...They would put 98 percent of the population to shame with their overall fitness and energy levels.

    I can testify myself, I feel stronger, fitter, healthier and happier than ever before...

    And how can a Chemical ever do you good for Christ sake!

    But you have to know how to how to eat vegan and also have the right mindset for this...

    When people don't have enough or right info about nutrition or are always concerned whether they won't lack something on a vegan diet or are worried then they will struggle on the diet.

    Thant's not the diet's shortcoming, it's their fault...

    And then they of course blame the diet for it and spread panic.

    Live in peace :)

  69. Tracy M Hughes

    I'm sure that you were not eating JUST fish and chicken to get healthy when you finally stopped your nonsense diets, there are 3 main nutritional needs we get from food, CARBS, PROTEIN, and FAT, and then there are vitamins, your fruit(assuming 'frugetarian' meant fruitarian) and dairy diet lacked a healthy source of proteins or carbs, and vitamins, so yeah, of course you are going to get sick!!! You got a stomach virus after going to Mexico and eating organic foods? Umm, HELLO its MEXICO, you're in a new environment (a slightly tropical one at that) and being exposed to pathogens you've never been exposed to before, many people get sick when the travel to Mexico with "stomach virus" just because the water is friggin bad, and it has nothing to do with being organic!!! Just drinking a local beverage could give you that problem. The problem with ALL of your diet choices, aside from when you became an omnivore again, were LIMITING your intake of essential nutrition& building blocks of cell repair your body needs, the vitamin and mineral levels even themselves out if you are eating all your carbs proteins and fats from healthy sources , the difference between a healthy meat/and or dairy free diet and a sickly one like you found, is how to make that balance of healthy fats proteins and carbs without animal products, with fruits and vegetables, it includes a wide variety of grains, leafy greens, beans, gourds, root plants, all the colors of the rainbow, you can get the proteins fats and carbs with MUCH higher nutritional value, good food not only tastes better but lasts longer in your body and you go farther on it, as a result you not only look like you have a healthy body weight, you have optimal levels of health on the inside as well, healthy fats from nuts and avocado and olive oil will keep you from being emaciated, sick, and fainting. You clearly did not do enough research into your choices or understand nutrition to a level to take it into your own hands without consulting a nutritionist and doing real research on the pros-cons of your food choices. Glad to hear you are healthy, but just because you were a moron when you went to try your own diet mishaps, doesn't mean being meat and dairy free is a stupid decision for those who do it right. The world can not sustain a western diet for everyone, we would LITERALLY need 4 more EARTHS to grow food just to feed the population now, and its morons like you touting that being "vegan" means your going to be sick and malnourished, its not when it's done right, and most of the world gets by with WAY less meat and dairy in their diets than we do in America, its not a sustainable farming model and not a sustainable model for true health, There is a reason why we are overweight, and its not because we are eating good, The junk food processed corn/soy products and corn fed meat has to go before we will get healthy again

  70. zedoeee

    Very interesting. I've tried being a vegetarian, lasted for about 2 years but can't seem to keep on it. Temptation is always there. I'm thinking it's more of a lifestyle that needs to be changed. Anyone have experience with these struggles?

  71. Peter Block

    research shows that people who go vegan just for diet often relapse, but those that do it for the environment or for the animals tend to stick with it. Maybe re evaluate your motivation?

  72. Katie Land

    Lol, I'm not even a vegan, but literally everything you said was just silly. "the chemicals must be doing something good for us" good one :)

  73. Martin Miljkovic

    Vegetables are more expensive than processed meat. 1 000 000 000 but to buy that crap in order to just survive. Healthy diet is not a choice for all but 5-6% of the people of this planet.

  74. walterbyrd

    But Methane does more damage than CO2.

    Rearing cattle produces more greenhouse gases than drivin cars, UN report warns

  75. walterbyrd

    > why do all vegans look thin, tired and weak.

    They don't, you just ignorant.

    Two time world champion weight lifter, Patrik Baboumian, has been a vegan since he was five years old.

    There are many other vegan, or vegetarian, top athletes. Ever hear of Carl Lewis? The guy who won nine Olympic gold metals?

  76. walterbyrd

    Bulls*it. 4 oz of porterhouse steak costs about $5. 8 oz of lentils costs about $0.20; and the 8 oz of lentils have more protein.

    Want to try again?

  77. Martin Miljkovic

    Where did you get the idea that poor people can afford stake? They mostly have money for cheap meat derivatives. Also meat gives more different minerals which can only be found in expensive vegetables like iron. (there are others things an organism needs, so if you wish to list them all and compare the prices that would be nice). Also during winter vegetables become really expensive compared to meat derivatives. Eating small amount of those, no matter how bad they are for the people, will make them fell full unlike the small amount of the vegetables that they can afford. And again you compared expensive meat with an cheap vegetable. That was ignorance. And again on the ignorance topic: Oz of lentils are low in calories and poor people work physically intense works. Do you even care how anybody else survives in this world but you?!

  78. walterbyrd

    Cheap processed meat is about the most unhealthy thing in the world. It's loaded with nitrates, sodium, and other chemicals. Cheap processed meat has almost nothing healthy in it. You would be better off eating "Cheetos."

    Where do you get this idea that only expensive vegetables have iron?

  79. Martin Miljkovic

    Iron is just one of the elements of a healthy diet. Check the charts. There are 50 more of those. And again this is not a question of people not knowing that something is bad for them it is a question of survival. To say that 1 billion people can't eat is might be a bit "problematic"

  80. walterbyrd

    Please present scientific evidence, or stop your dubious posting. Also please be very specific about what nutrient in what meat, is significantly cheaper than any vegetable source.

    The idea that a meat diet is healthier, or less costly, than a vegan diet, seems ridiculous. It only stands to reason that you are going to lose a lot in the conversion process.

    As I have pointed out, beans are an amazingly inexpensive source of protein, and other nutrients, far less expensive than meat. And far healthier because of less saturated fat, less cholesterol, and more fiber.

  81. walterbyrd

    > So instead of having a horse to do some work, you would rather have a gas motor that is 1000 times more environmentally devastating.

    Do you have a source on that? Because I don't even think that is close to accurate.

  82. walterbyrd

    > We have known for years that a balanced diet with meat, vegetables, fruit, nuts, dairy etc is the best.

    According to the Quarterly Journal of Medicine those eating vegetarian appear to have less obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, high cholesterol, cancers, kidney disease, maybe less stroke, less age-related vision loss, less diverticulosis, fewer gallstone and of course, less constipation.

  83. walterbyrd

    Sam, what are your credentials? What sources are you getting your information from?

  84. walterbyrd

    > there is no difference between us eating meat and other animals who eat meat

    Other animals don't have a choice, and we do. That is a huge difference.

  85. walterbyrd

    > Saying saturated fats are bad.

    Never mind that being the consensus of legions of medical doctors, and scientists. Never mind the numerous scientific studies that prove that saturated fats are bad.

    I guess you know better, right? Just what are your credentials? From what scientific studies do you get your information?

  86. walterbyrd

    Anecdotal evidence is meaningless. Especially when such "evidence" is evaluated from somebody with no scientific credentials.

    Legions of scientists, and doctors, have done numerous scientific studies, which completely disprove your uninformed assertions.

  87. walterbyrd

    Nice post.

    I would add that the shape of our mouths, and teeth, also indicate that we are, primarily, a plant eater.

    Unlike wolfs, or jungle cats, we are not biologically equipped to hunt, and kill prey.

    Real carnivores do not need to cook their meat.

  88. walterbyrd

    Good point, but you have to start somewhere.

    I think vegetarian eating may be catching on, a little.

  89. Lz_erk

    Walterbyrd got it. Legumes are one of the healthiest choices available for people or their land, and they're far from the only alternative [um... good luck if you're on a FODMAP diet]. If there's a crisis waiting in the mythical mostly-vegan future -- after the Carbpocalypse Cornspiracy and resulting diseases -- it's the cost of revising so much grain and animal monoculture into synergistic production. Cattle could play a positive role: see agroforestry/silvopasture, permaculture, and maybe The Savory Institute.

  90. Martin Miljkovic

    What seems ridiculous is that you want me to go element by element and enzyme by enzyme with some internet troll. Go back and read last comments. You actually do not know what it is like to live on 5$ a week. Come back here after you had lived 1 year on that budget. I don;t care for your arguments or clever answers or some sh**t like that. As you do not care for the people who live their lives that way.

  91. walterbyrd

    > You actually do not know what it is like to live on 5$ a week.

    You are making my point for me. A plant based diet is much cheaper.

    A cup of lentils has 18g of protein, and costs a few pennies. You cannot do better than that with meat.

    You keep asserting that meat is cheaper than vegetables, but you refuse to back up your assertions with actual evidence.

  92. Martin Miljkovic

    so start today. live on it. see how poor people live. see what hunger really is. then you may feel free to tell others what they may or may not eat. bdw price of lentils is 2$ per 1kg. Let me see what else can you buy.

  93. walterbyrd

    Are you dense? You keep repeating yourself, in spite of the fact that I have completely disprove your point. You keep repeating yourself, and absolutely refusing to provide the slightest bit of evidence to prove your case.

    Please try to get this through your thick skull.

    A VEGETARIAN DIET IS CHEAPER THAN A MEAT DIET.

    Vegan diet is cheaper. Not that I expect you to accept that, I am sure you will keep senselessly repeating that a meat diet is cheaper - in deference to all evidence and logic.

    What can you buy besides lentils? Many kind of beans are very inexpensive. Also potatoes, rice, corn, among many, many, other selections?

    Where do get this insane idea vegetarian costs more than meat based? It makes no sense at all.

  94. Martin Miljkovic

    So you refuse to live in poverty, eat like poor people do and yet you are still talking? That is interesting. You refuse to see that there are people living their lives differently. That is intolerance equal to racism.

  95. walterbyrd

    I can only assume that you trolling. If not you unbelievably dense, since I have addressed that about five times now.

  96. walterbyrd

    I have never denied there are poor people.

    What you don't get is: vegetarian food is much cheaper.

    Why can you not understand that?

  97. Martin Miljkovic

    well now we are getting somewhere. There are different kinds of poor. Now let us see what keeps them fed. Rice only? Wheat only? No they are still hungry. The only food that they can buy and be full is not more wheat. What do you suggest they should eat?

  98. walterbyrd

    > That is intolerance equal to racism

    Oh, playing the race card are we?

    I guess everybody who does not agree with you is a racist.

    Pathetic.

  99. walterbyrd

    I suggest they eat an assortment of foods: beans, rice, greens, potatoes, and so on.

    As usual, you are making no sense at all.

  100. Achems_Razor

    You cannot live without vitamin B12, can die without it, vitamin B12 deficiency is a medical emergency, no B12 in veg's, abundant in meat, or you can eat plain dirt/not recommended, that is where it originates.

  101. walterbyrd

    Some meat eaters are B12 deficient also, or deficient in other vitamins.

    Just take a supplement. Problem solved.

    There is absolutely no health reason to eat meat.

    > The National Center for Biotechnology Information
    > "It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes."

  102. Achems_Razor

    Problem not solved. Taking b12 supplements are wrought with dangers. Google b12 supplement side effects.

  103. Martin Miljkovic

    ah not everybody, just the people who think that others should die. For example you may be or not be a racist? Do you think 1bil people should die?

  104. walterbyrd

    Okay, I googled and here is what I found

    > Vitamin B12 is LIKELY SAFE for most people when taken by mouth, applied to the skin, taken through the nose, or administered as a shot..
    > Mild itching has been reported in *one* person who used a specific avocado oil plus vitamin B12 cream for psoriasis.

    Clearly, you don't even know what you are posting about.

  105. Achems_Razor

    I know exactly what I am posting about. All you are doing is cherry picking.

  106. walterbyrd

    Not at all. Saying B12 supplements are unsafe is ridiculous. How many people have suffered from food poisoning from B12 supplements, compared to people who have suffered from food poisoning from eating meat?

  107. Achems_Razor

    What has that got to do with the subject at hand, now you are changing the subject, passing the buck, how many people inadvertently ate plants that were poisonous? et al. or suffered from food poisoning from veg's and fruits re: listeria etc: Again use google before you post!

  108. walterbyrd

    No you are saying we have to eat meat because we need B12, and supplements are so terribly risky. I am pointing out that your point is ridiculous because meat is far more risky that taking B12 supplements.

    And let me point out, again, that The National Center for Biotechnology Information, has concluded that vegetarian, and vegan, diets are not perfectly adequate, but offer many health advantages.

    Clearly, The National Center for Biotechnology Information, is far better informed than you. Your laughable excuse for evidence is try googling this or that.

  109. Achems_Razor

    What is with all your ad hominem? do you figure that is the way to win an argument?, the first to insult has lost the argument, that is you, and where is all your info coming from if not from google? I will have no further discussion with you.

    And why are you voting up all of your own posts?

  110. Kasia

    when you eat healthy-lots of veggi you have less cravings so you buy less, it is cheaper if you learn to cook things like lentils and sweet potatoes, beans. It is really cheaper. But its years of learning and educating, takes lots of time like everything thats new.

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