Occupation 101: Voices of the Silenced Majority
The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance… it is the illusion of knowledge. A thought-provoking and powerful documentary film on the current and historical root causes of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Unlike any other film ever produced on the conflict – Occupation 101 presents a comprehensive analysis of the facts and hidden truths surrounding the never ending controversy and dispels many of its long-perceived myths and misconceptions. The film also details life under Israeli military rule, the role of the United States in the conflict, and the major obstacles that stand in the way of a lasting and viable peace. The roots of the conflict are explained through first-hand on-the-ground experiences from leading Middle East scholars, peace activists, journalists, religious leaders and humanitarian workers whose voices have too often been suppressed in American media outlets.
The film covers a wide range of topics – which include – the first wave of Jewish immigration from Europe in the 1880′s, the 1920 tensions, the 1948 war, the 1967 war, the first Intifada of 1987, the Oslo Peace Process, Settlement expansion, the role of the United States Government, the second Intifada of 2000, the separation barrier and the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, as well as many heart wrenching testimonials from victims of this tragedy.
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What about the killing of all the Isralie children, the killing of innocents.
All Arabs want to push the Nation of Israel into the sea!!!!
You lie in the Occupation 101.
TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH –IF YOU DARE.
ONLY COWARDS BLOW UP INNOCENT PEOPLE.
Funny thing subee is that israel has been pushing the arab people to that extreme due to israel’s “expansion.”
Also the whole point of this documentary was to tell it from the other side. I think everybody knows that some extremist arab groups are killing innocents, but the main problem, as the documentary shows, is that nobody knows how it all started. I blame it on anti-semiticism that was abundant in europe after WWI and WWII. Both mainly from Britain and Germany. So case in point much like the Israelis being pushed around by europe and fighting back is quite like what the Palestinians are doing; everyone has a breaking point and really what did Israel expect?
Instead of just claiming that the doco tells lies subee why don’t you detail some of those lies I dare you I double dare you.Only murdering scum hide behind historical atrocities against European Jews to justify the slow but sure strangling of the native population of Palestine-and sometimes not so slow-the 4th most powerful army in the world,using modern jets,helicopters,tanks,missiles,artillery,navy-kills without mercy a trapped,unarmed civilian population.In your pathetically shallow view you stoutly claim a huge lie-that the Arab states want to push Nuclear armed US backed,ethnic cleansing,land stealing Israel,with the aforementioned 4th most powerful army into the sea,with CAPITALS AND EXCLAMATION MARKS!!! grow up.
I think it is so ironic that Jews, who were murdered and repressed during WWII, were so quick to become murderers and repressors at the first chance they got. I am just a fairly ignorant American, trying to become more educated on world events…past and present. But it seems obvious to me that the abusees have become the abusers. That is tragic.
I THINK IT IS A GREAT, EDUCATIONAL MOVIE. It tries to give us an idea of how and why this occupation started. ANOTHER GOOD ONE TO WATCH IS LIFE IN OCCUPIED PALESTINE.
From SUBEE
“What about the killing of all the Isralie children, the killing of innocents.
All Arabs want to push the Nation of Israel into the sea!!!!
You lie in the Occupation 101.
TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH –IF YOU DARE.
ONLY COWARDS BLOW UP INNOCENT PEOPLE.”
What an odd and ****** post. You want people to tell the whole truth, and you seem to think you know it, but you are WILLINGLY ignorant of the truth. Here is the truth.
Before The creation of the Israeli state,the majority of the people living there were Palestinians- Fact
Palestinians were forcefully moved out of their homes and oppressed to make room for the Jews- Fact
Palestine and their neighbors rebelled to the occupation and were beaten back by Israel and the U.S. Then Israel took it upon them to further their occupation by taking territory not given to them by the UN in 1948. That occupied land is not recognized by the UN as Israeli Land- Fact
Israel continues to demolish Palestinian homes and other buildings to build settlements in land that does not belong to them- Fact
Israel uses Palestinians as Human shields- Fact
Israel is building a wall to encircle the west bank so that Palestinians can not enter or leave- Fact
Israel is committing calculated ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian populations and rape of Palestinian Land. Fact
Israel routinely murders innocent people in Israel but it’s only acknowledged when a war breaks out in which case the number of civilians dead on the Palestinian side is almost 50% – Fact
Palestinians get 3rd class treatment all over the occupied land by having fewer employment(check the stats sunshine), Absurdly low pay(check them again), third world health care care, and so on and on.
You’re right when you say that cowards blow up innocent people. However, it’s a bit hard to ask a Palestinian to support peace when he sees his family and people humiliated at checkpoints on a daily basis.
Those who “blow themselves up” do so out of anger and hatred because the world has forgotten them and Israel is destroying them. It’s not excusable but who is more guilty? Those few who blow themselves up or a RECOGNIZED state committing even worse atrocities to the point where the UN wanted to impose sanctions on them? The Palestinians couldn’t possibly do this because they don’t have their state, a state promised to them over 50 years ago that still doesn’t exist.
Greetings from Michigan. To hell with Zionism.
Ivan
And as Rob kindly pointed out the obvious to anyone who doesn’t live in a cave. The possibility of anyone pushing Israel into the see is laughable at best. It would never happen because no Arab state, yet alone the poor non-recognized Palestinian one, would be capable of such an immense feat.
It’s a bit hard to take you seriously,SUBEE, when you produce such stupidity and lack of knowledge regarding this topic(Yet I can see from the large letters that you’re passionate about)on a public website. I SERIOUSLY recommend that you do some research and find out the whole truth. The Oppressed have become the Oppressors and our American tax dollars fund it on a daily bases.
The occupation must end. Peace and Justice for Palestine!
Subee, whilst i might respect your views I am saddened and disgusted by the Zionist propoganda machine that constantly scout the media/net for any form critism of Isreal with a view to demonising them and presenting such views as anti-semitic. A bunch of facist Europeans may have caused a holocaust to the jews, but the real holocaust today has been unleashed by Zionists and their supporters. Hamas and the likes are the creation of Isreali injustice and Zionist policy. You reap what you sow. So start to get real with the truth. Americans should get to know the REAL truth and not rely on Zionist controlled media. We Americans need to get wise and realize where the problem really lies. Easy Rider
The satanist illuminati was behind the protocol of learned of the elder zion, it means the israel occupation is a satanic action. Every good jewish knew that zionism is satanist.
A very good documentary that one can learn a lot from. Thank you producers and Vlatko for putting this up on your site.
i remember along time ago before i knew anything about israel or even what zionism meant i had a teacher from israel she served in the the army and i remember her saying how can people use their religios beliefs to kill people(this was during 9/11) and remember asking her what gives you the right to be in israel and she said in her religion god promised them the holy land. that never made sense to me?
this doc is highly educational. it teaches of how Zion came to exist. I mean if that’s some thing you knew and are for Israel’s expansion, then you do not deserve the the freedom you have. it should be you who is isolated within the very lands your people before you ran free in.
if after you watch this and can side with Israel’s illegal expansion, occupation, and military regime, which is the cause of this conflict (conflict’s not even the word. the right word would be invasion.)well those people deserve to be locked in a cage were there favour of these inhumane actions may never be free.
I have a feeling that “SUBEE” didn’t even watch the video. They mention the “pushing into the sea” bit and say how false it is, considering that Israel is the one pushing Palestine into the sea. They mention the Israeli children killed, in comparison to the vast majority of Palestinian children killed. All Arabs want is to be f*cking left alone! All Arabs want is the power to control their own lives!
If you opress a people, they will fight back. PERIOD! It’s as simple as that. Why is it so hard for people to understand this? There is absolutely no reason why Jews and Arabs can’t share the Holy Land. It doesn’t belong to one group and one group only, it belongs to everyone.
@ Subee
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@ Tyler
“Why is it so hard for people to understand this?”
Insert sheeple instead of people in your comment, and then you’ll see you don’t even need to post your [rhetorical] question! :-P
“What an odd and ****** post.”
>> Ivan is right! There is an odd and ****** post with unsubstantiated propaganda. It’s his.
“You want people to tell the whole truth, and you seem to think you know it, but you are WILLINGLY ignorant of the truth. Here is the truth.”
>> “the truth?” or rather Ivan’s particular truth that validates his bigotry? And no, criticism of Israel is not automatically anti-Semitism. It is anti-Semitism when you make up “facts” and have special definitions and standards for Israel.
“Before The creation of the Israeli state, the majority of the people living there were Palestinians- Fact”
>>WRONG! ALL the people, every last one, were Palestinians the same as people living in Texas are Texans and people in Virginia are Virginians. Believe the Arab scholars, political leaders, and religious leaders who gave official testimony to international organizations from the 1930s through Israel’s rebirth that there was no such thing as Palestine or Palestinians. Beyond that President Assad of Syria made speeches that Israel was actually Southern Syria and that Arabs in Palestine were Syrians. Investigate the media, journals, and textbooks of the day and you’ll find that it was Palestinian Jews that were mentioned. THIS IS FACT! (Caps are for Rob/grow up)
“Palestinians were forcefully moved out of their homes and oppressed to make room for the Jews- Fact”
>> WRONG! Research contemporary documents and media and you’ll find that the majority of Arabs in Palestine who left never saw Israeli soldiers. If your propaganda was true it would be proof that the Israelis were woefully inefficient as the Arabs who chose to remain are now 20% of the Israeli citizens. THIS IS FACT!
“Palestine and their neighbors rebelled to the occupation and were beaten back by Israel and the U.S. Then Israel took it upon them to further their occupation by taking territory not given to them by the UN in 1948. That occupied land is not recognized by the UN as Israeli Land- Fact”
>> WRONG! Occupation of what? Former land of the now defunct Ottoman Empire allocated for the Jewish state? The rest of the eastern part of the Mandate was offered by the UN for another Arab country but it was rejected with an all-or-nothing stance by Arab leaders. The Arabs living in the Mandate area officially designated for Israel had been engaged in attempted genocide since the 1920s. Elementary research supports this statement. School children can easily find documentation to prove that the Arab league and neighboring Arab states, several also created from former Ottoman land, declared their goal of exterminating the Jews! THIS IS FACT!
“Israel continues to demolish Palestinian homes and other buildings to build settlements in land that does not belong to them- Fact”
>> WRONG Again! Have you heard of zoning ordnances, eminent domain, or public land? More Israel homes are demolished for unlicensed building than for Arabs. Are you advocating that Arabs can build homes without permits on land they don’t own but Jews can’t build even on land they purchased? THIS IS FACT! Sounds like religious apartheid.
“Israel uses Palestinians as Human shields- Fact”
>> WRONG Again! …to an extent. The may be examples of soldiers violating procedure who used civilians as shields but they are the exception. Arabs using human shields is the rule. Arabs who indoctrinate their children that to die while serving as a human shield for terrorists trying to kill Jews is a righteous act of martyrdom are obscenely committing child abuse. I do believe the Arab leaders who brag about the use of human shields and the love of death being instilled in their children.
“Israel is building a wall to encircle the west bank so that Palestinians can not enter or leave- Fact”
>> WRONG Again! It’s misleading to call a security barrier between terrorists and their innocent civilian targets a wall when it’s 97% fence. The other 3% is a wall where fences can’t protect people from snipers. It’s ****** to say that a barrier on only one side of an area completely encircles it. NO barrier exists along Jordanian border. No barrier existed until terrorism got out of hand. Thank God so many Muslim, Christian and Jewish lives have been saved by the barrier. No terrorism = No security barrier. THIS IS FACT!
“Israel is committing calculated ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian populations and rape of Palestinian Land. Fact”
>> WRONG Again! If your accusation were correct then it’s pretty sure those darn Israeli’s aren’t any good at ethnic cleansing. After all, the population figures for Palestinian Arabs have been increasing like rabbits. (check the stats sunshine) As for the term ‘Palestinian Land,” good luck finding reference to it before 1967. To the world, which happens to include Arabs, anyone living in the region of Palestine was called a Palestinian. Newspapers worldwide referred to “Palestinian Jews.” By the way, it’s not difficult to find contemporary evidence of Arabs crying insult when called Palestinian and demanded to be instead recognized as part of the Arab nation, or southern Syrians. THIS IS FACT!
“Israel routinely murders innocent people in Israel but it’s only acknowledged when a war breaks out in which case the number of civilians dead on the Palestinian side is almost 50% – Fact”
>> WRONG Again! Unbelievable hogwash. Anyone committing murdering is brought to trial and there’s no rejoicing in the streets as happens after women and children are slaughtered by Arab terrorists. Not even like action caught on camera when Arabs celebrated the World Trade Center bombings. No Jew or any civilized person would conduct themselves in such a manner. You 50% figure doesn’t hold up under even a trace of investigations. (check the stats sunshine) THIS IS FACT!
“Just “Palestinians get 3rd class treatment all over the occupied land by having fewer employment(check the stats sunshine), Absurdly low pay(check them again), third world health care care, and so on and on.””
>> WRONG Again! Indeed economics deteriorated after civilian affairs were turned over to the Palestinian Authority as a major Israeli concession for peace. Unfortunately the vast amount of aid money went not for nation building but rather was directed toward destroying a nation, Israel. This was indeed unfortunate since by every standard, life improved dramatically during Israel’s governance of the disputed territories. (check the record sunshine)
“You’re right when you say that cowards blow up innocent people. However, it’s a bit hard to ask a Palestinian to support peace when he sees his family and people humiliated at checkpoints on a daily basis.”
>> WRONG Again! So if you are humiliated when someone is trying to save lives it’s ok with you to kill people? Only a psychopath would consider that the only option. Sane people would work towards ending the terrorism which resulted in life saving measures being instituted. And just why are the checkpoints in place and whose actions determine when they are removed? There were few if any checkpoints and freedom of movement back an forth with thousands employed in Israel before Arab leadership unleashed terrorism against Israel after conventional warfare failed to accomplish the oft stated goal of killing all the Jews and destroying their homeland.
“Those who “blow themselves up” do so out of anger and hatred because the world has forgotten them and Israel is destroying them.
>> WRONG Again! Absurd. Over a hundred million legitimate refugees have been resettled since WWI, many in cultures alien to them. Yet the few hundred thousand Arabs from the former British Mandate of Palestine have been refused return to a normal life by a leadership who views their condition as a political issue rather than a humanitarian one. Research the Arab League’s Khartoum conference and its directives.
“The Palestinians couldn’t possibly do this because they don’t have their state, a state promised to them over 50 years ago that still doesn’t exist.”
>> At least you’re consistent. Wrong! Israeli statesman Abba Eban once said, “Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.” Arabs controlled every square inch of land they now demand for another state yet formed organizations like the Palestinian Liberation Organization. To liberate what? Their all-or-nothing attitude has yielded diminished possibilities ever since the 1938 Peel Commission. Lest we forget, Palestinians do have a state. After it was created their identity became Israelis and they were joined by Arab Jews who were expelled from the middle east and north Africa as well as the remnants of European Jewry. The resurrection of Israel happen not because of the holocaust, but despite it. Twenty years later the Arabs from that region decided to identify themselves by the label they once vehemently denied existed, Palestinian. All they have to do to gain sovereignty over another new Arab country is NOTHING! No terrorism! No instilling love of martyrdom and hatred of Jews in their children. Nothing!
>> Regards Sunshine from Mikep, a proud Zionist who believes in objective truth and not lies and misconceptions repeated long enough until people believe they’re true. Your response, which will be predictably trite, groundless, contain straw dog constructions and will attempt to distract readers from the core issue, genocidal Arab religious apartheid and intransigence, is eagerly awaited.
p.s. What kind of uninformed person rants that Israel is expansionist while ignoring the return of land won in defensive wars as a bold risk for peace. The same kind that is ignorant to the demographics of Israel: a plurality of citizens are from the Middle East and North Africa; one in five citizens are Arab Muslims; and a growing number of new citizens are from Ethiopia. What kind of person? – Ask Rob and EasyRider.
@ Mikep
-”It is anti semitism when you make up facts and have special definitions and standards for Israel” – what? Are you serious? and specifically what definitions and standards in his statement are you referring to?
-”people in Texas are Texans and those in Virginia are Virginians” what? they are not Americans? or even better, seeing as you want to bring a persons religious affiliation into it ie “palestinian jews” would they then not be American christians or texan christians?
“President Assad referred to Israel as Southern Syria”. So then by using his statement to back up your argument you are accepting that Israel is indeed Southern Syria? And he most definately had an agenda there.
-”Paletinians were/are forcefully removed from their homes”. You are saying that this statement is wrong. So the media coverage of these evictions is not to be believed in this instance yet you wanted us to use the media as a source of information in your previous statement. Seems to me you are picking and choosing here. I am also totally convinced that they are seeing israeli soldiers at their doors now. To choose to stay in your home in the face of military aggression when you have more or less no military defence/protection of your own is not just ****** it could be fatal.
-”Occupation of what? Former land of the now defunct Ottoman Empire allocated for the Jewish state?” what are you saying here? That all land formerly encompassing the ottoman Empire is now fair game for military expansion whether or not it was sanctioned by the UN. And you should be careful with your constant use of UN mandates to validate your arguments because as it stands today you are in violation of more UN mandates than any other country in the world- FACT. picking and choosing again are we?
Instaed of constantly giving vague reference to documentation easily accesible which proves your argument, why not detail them exactly and of course these should not be israeli/arab publications in the interest of unbiased reporting.
-Israel continues to demolish Palestinian homes and other buildings to build settlements in land that does not belong to them- Fact”
>> WRONG Again!
I have to disagree with this and would ask you give some details of where these figures come from because according to The Israeli Committee Against Home Demolitions, they estimate that some 24,145 Palestinian homes have been demolished in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza since 1967 this information was correct as of July 4, 2009.
-“Israel uses Palestinians as Human shields- Fact”
>> WRONG Again!
To be honest I dont really want to touch on this subject as im pretty sure the figures here would bear out your argument. However, using Phosphorus grenades in and around a civilian population is a violation of international law and is indefensible for the largest military power in the region, not to mention inaccurate. But this is probably better left here, as to do this justice we would need to go into the invasion of Gaza and im pretty sure you would struggle to defend that action.
-”It’s misleading to call a security barrier between terrorists and their innocent civilian targets a wall when it’s 97% fence. The other 3% is a wall”.
I could not find data to support your figures on this.
However, in July of 2004 the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at the Hague gave an advisory (non-binding) ruling that declared the barrier violates international law, because its route does not take sufficient account of the suffering caused to Palestinians. The court further ruled that any part of the barrier built on the Palestinian side of the Green Line is illegal. Israel rejected the ICJ opinion. Nonetheless, the Israel High Court has ruled many sections of the barrier to be illegal because the route does not provide the proper balance between security needs and hardship to the population. This, along with US pressure, has caused the Israel government to revise the route of the barrier several times, including moving sections that were already built. It would seem that your jusdiciary is finding it difficult to defend this so called security barrier.
-”Thank God so many Muslim, Christian and Jewish lives have been saved by the barrier. No terrorism = No security barrier. THIS IS FACT!” I am absolutely certain God had no hand it the construction of said barrier. But if you have evidence to the contrary please do tell.
-”As for the term ‘Palestinian Land,” good luck finding reference to it before 1967″. With the exception of the Bible im pretty certain you will find it difficult to find reference to the state of Israel before May 14th 1948.
-Palestinians get 3rd class treatment all over the occupied land by having fewer employment(check the stats sunshine), Absurdly low pay(check them again), third world health care care, and so on and on.””
>> WRONG Again!
You are wrong here. The employment figures are dreadful for the palestinians as is the pay. yes there are examples of equality but they are few and far between. And you keep overlooking the fact that they are forced to live their lives by your leave. You control water, electricity, all movement of shipping and aircraft, and they have no say in these areas which affect their lives so immensely. Wake up. Do you really believe the opposite….really?
Would you put up with having that little control over your own existence because of the actions of the minority?
-”Research the Arab League’s Khartoum conference and its directives”.
Now you seem like an intelligent person, don’t you feel that in the interest of lasting peace israel should have offered to pull back from the west bank and gaza? it would at least have made it easier for the Arabs not to have said “Three No’s, no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it.” It would have been a humiliating climb down for them and would probably have ushered in even more radical governments in the respective countries. If you disagree with me here then perhaps you wont disagree with Avi Shlaim, who has different views on the outcome.
-Quoting Abba Eban to shore up your arguments is like quoting Hitler to defend nazism.
-”What kind of uninformed person rants that Israel is expansionist while ignoring the return of land won in defensive wars as a bold risk for peace”. What!?….. Surely the first and second world wars were defensive. By your reasoning then all of Germany would still be in Russian, British and American hands, all of Korea and Japan would be annexed by the US and Palestine/Israel/Southern Syria would still be a British Mandate. Should I mention Iraq here?
- I’ll tell you what frightens me. That someone such as yourself is completely and totally unable to critisise any his country’s actions over this issue to date. Not to see the wholly unequal treatment of a third world people on its door step. And those crazy yanks gave you the Bomb. The thought of your paranoid dusty little country having a button to push is truly terrifying!
-lastly. My Grandfathers fought very hard to liberate europe, one was even shot through the hand for passing water through a fence to a Jew whilst he was a prisoner. The western governments worked hard to find a solution to your particular “intransigence” problem after the war. And the US/UK governments still protect you today.
My question to you- What have you and yours ever done to assist my people. (British but Scottish really) that comes even close to the help we have given you?
Please don’t mention the suez crisis, that would be a mistake as Anthony Eden did not survive that debacle because the British public held him to account for our actions there. Actions which we as a nation and a people were able to see as being wholly disproportionate and shameful.
A quote from Ariel Sharon as Foreign Minister, he was referring to the israeli settlements. “everyone there should move, should run, should grab more hills, expand the territory. Everything thats grabbed will be in our hands, everything we dont grab will be in theres”.
Regards, Ryan a proud Scot.
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A very well made documentary. Must watch
Awesome documentary. Serves to offset the relentless zionist propaganda machine; for those without blinkers on anyway.
I love judaism and hebrew culture.
I despise zionism and its imperialistic racist war machine.
VIVA Palestinian Resistance!!!
For those Jews that says this land is promised from God, Yes he promised ones and they got it too according to the scriptures, but they lose it because of there stone hearted against there God, according to the scriptures. No more promise was made again.
Or
Think if native Indians whit help of china, Japan and Russia take over the US. DO Israel thinks this is okey ?
There is no point to violence. This is an excellent documentary. The Palestinian people have been raped.
So what can us westerners do about it?, pass it on of course.
This is a great documentary. It should be aired in prime time to all westernized counties, this way the American tax paying people could see how their government suports terrorism/ethnic cleansing/genocide. Expose and shame these zionist pigs.
All all above,
Although it is important to understand how these people have come to such violence, I don’t approve or condone the violence from either side. The degree of violence happening there is completely beyond my understanding (here in Canada) The issues of ownership of the land should be decided buy governing bodies, (I know, easier said then done). Instead it appears (through my very limited knowledge) that the people are left to fight things out. And as in any other situation the strongest may prevail.
Children do not have a political adgenda, much less an enforceable opinion about land or religion. We should be protecting them! No israeli or palestine children should die.
Although this documentary is certainly highlighting the Palestine side, I can assume that there is always more to the story. Regardless, I believe a solution can be found and my certainty is greater than the ones that doubt. I would love to see some creative solutions offered rather than read other’s comments that are trying to prove who is right and who is wrong. We get no where with that.
Mia
“You lie in the Occupation 101.
TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH –IF YOU DARE.
ONLY COWARDS BLOW UP INNOCENT PEOPLE.” – SUBEE
Ever heard of Irgun or the King David Hotel bombings?
Subee, how on earth is it the onus of the oppressed and occupied to take the first step towards peace? Doesn’t a modicum of dignity have to be afforded to them before any of that is possible?
Your concern of the lives of Israeli children before Palestinian children is blatant. Your argument is much like saying that a person should stop hurling stones when a massive tank is killing his people, destroying his home and his culture.
Agree with Spexxy here. Oppressed people will fight. I’m completely thankful that I don’t have to live under these conditions, and feel compassion for innocent and decent/kind people who have to suffer from both sides, but the balance in this region weighs very heavily on the israeli side as the oppressors. Free Palestine.
Its quite interesting how alot of us know all this stuff here in the USA; to some extent. Its the fact we feel some type of right to be elite among the world that keeps us from feeling remorse about it all. To american’s the world goes on; as long as we can still live better than the rest; as a society we simply dont care. I am individual in thought however. I strictly oppose communism; and imperialism. I dont recognize social democracy as a reality because its only a new deceitful name to cover the existence of a monarchy-based imperialism controlling the USA and England. So far Socialism has only worked[to some extent] in France ; and i challenge anyone to prove me wrong about france.
Since everything has been said above me i won’t write here about who’s right or wrong. only my point of view as a citizen of israel.
we are a fully developed country. are economy is in good shape and people here usually just think about living their life.
not a single person here in israel want to see anyone hurt or killed or have a motive for such things to happen.
some of you may be cynical and say that we made all this on the back of the arab population but we didn’t. we have no natural resources on this land nor we ever had, but we had a dream to build a home for the jewish people, we invested in a peaceful education and we brought our minds together and made it work. as a little boy i learned in class about peace and the white dove as all children my age have.
i love my beautiful country and i’m very sad to hear people calling me satanist.
the israeli contribution to the world in many things like technology and agriculture are well known around the world, so its obvious we desperately want to see israel progressing and living in peace, not claiming some sort of land to itself, so is my leaders!
israel, including the leadership (as hard for you to believe) wants to see the arabs declare independence but at the same breath will not tolerate any harm to its citizens as any other nation will not.
we have withdrawn from gaza without any agreement in the hope that this gesture will bring peace closer. but instead we got rockets on civilian population.
the rockets fell for 8 years, our leaders did nothing to really prevent them, the risk of fighting in a populated area prevented them from trying such a thing. eventually, last year, after 8 years of rockets there was no other choice. we went in and then out. the images are horrible but we tried different things for 8 years. no one could stand rockets for 8 years with no response. the rockets have stopped and now we are back at the table.
At end of things it’s a complicated matter where both sides have made mistakes, but the great hatred most of you (and apparently the world) have for the jewish state and people is not in place.
we ARE the strong side. it DOES come out badly in the camera lens. the reporters love the story of the weak against the strong because thats the story people want to see, but sadly it’s not that simple.
can you think of a story where you love the strong side? nobody loves the strong side. it’s not ethical. i’m not saying you should hate the palestinians too, because you shouldn’t.
it’s a mixture of culture differences and bad history and we are trying hard to work things out. because we have no other choice.
Milton, that’s absolute rubbish about socialism and france. Which socialist government are you referring to, and how did it work? … If anything, scandinavian countries provide the greatest evidence of success of social democracy, particularly in sweden. It’s already been proven that the American system is a dismal failure, and the last 50 years have been an exercise in increasing consumption without production, i.e. an illusion, and it’s all falling apart… Americans hear the world ‘socialism’ and it makes them crazy. It must be the cold war … In reality, socialism doesn’t work, but then again, providing essential services to those who need it (such as healthcare) is not socialism … Americans just label it that, and then freak out about it…
Erez, it’s been proven throughout history that the stronger side will oppress the weaker in a confict. Can you deny that this is a conflict?, can you deny that the Palestinian people are oppressed. You’ve already admitted that Isreal are the stronger side here.
The world is messed up…
@erez
Please make the correction and insertions in the rest of your document on the basis of the sample paragraph done for you below:
… Some of you may be cynical and say that we made all this on the back of the Arab population but we didn’t, … er … except only that we actually did. we have no natural resources on this land on which the Palestinians lived nor we ever had, but we had a dream to build a home for the Jewish people which turned out to be on the backs of the Palestinians after all, we invested in a peaceful education for the invaders, that is, us and we brought our minds together and made it work … er … yes, again, on the back of the Arab population, much of which we expelled, but we try not to think too much about it while we brag about our contributions to the world.
i don’t know who you are jono660, but you are obviously blinded with hatred.
i come in peace and you come with hate.
the arabs in israel live along side with us.
the ones in the west bank are free to live their life, and we are waiting for a peace process. there’s no trust among the sides, it’s not easy and been going a long time.
as much as you want to display all the achievements made by the israeli state as part of some kind of an evil plan on the back of the arabs, thats not the case. we’ve taken care of our education and economy, thats the story.
we provide most of the electricity to the west bank and gaza. we provide bank services and mobile phone services. we supply the water through our national company. and all those think while we are still being attacked.
the west bank belonged to jordan before 67′. jordan didn’t want it back. not even in the peace process.
jordan, at start, wasn’t a part of the 67 war. they were convinced by egypt to join the war and so they engaged the israeli army.
by the way, east jerusalem was a part of jordan too before 67, but they didn’t want it back. but don’t worry, still, every government in israel is willing to give east jerusalem for the palestinians in a peace process.
for a long time now gaza is not occupied with any one.
just recently 10.05.10 the “ARAB BANK” left gaza living her disconnected from the economic world because it feared the Aid money transfered to gaza will be taken by the hamas, and used not for food and growth. it’s the “ARAB BANK” who did this. not israel.
children who needs special surgery’s are transfered to israel for treatment.
the arab lands in israel remain arab lands under arab municipality and under israeli government. arabs are citizens of israel and work within it’s borders.
gaza border is currently closed. hamas doesn’t want to recognize the israeli state and keep harming our citizens.
please don’t forget that gaza have a border with egypt.
egypt is also keeping it’s border shut with gaza. their even building a barrier preventing from digging tunnels. it’s EGYPT doing this, not israel.
the palestinian propeganda keeps displaying the world a picture which in – the israelis are killing arabs on a daily basis and for no reason. well, since oferet yetzuka (over a year now) not a foot of israeli soldier stepped in gaza, but rockets, by hamas into israel, still were fired.
hamas is operated and funded by iran and syria. there’s no connection between the palestinain struggle and the activity of hamas.
we, the people in israel, welcome any person from any state from any religion, just as long as they don’t mean harm.
you don’t except me? you want to hurt me? i won’t stand aside and do nothing.
if you want to talk – ahalan wasahalan.
we want peace.
@Erez
Regardless of any other considerations, the facts of the matter are these.
1. Israel is in violation of no less than three international laws with what they’re doing in the West Bank.
2. Israel has, in effect, created a situation that comes very close to being an apartheid state in the West Bank.
3. Ariel Sharon’s decisions and policies aren’t QUITE ethnic cleansing, but they’re the next best thing.
While the third point certainly requires more dicsusion that my simple claim, I think I would end up on top in that argument. The first two, on the other hand, are a matter of definition and are as indisputible as any basic claim of fact can be.
If I invade your country, slice off a portion and start moving my people in, is it fair for me to call you a “terrorist” when you fight back? We can debate and argue about wehther or not suicide bombing is a smart way to do it, but ultimately the act of resisting a foreign occupier is hardly terrorism.
Let’s say that Mexico invades the US and annexes California and the US can’t really do anything about it, they just lose the war. Now the residents of California start to resist and fight back against the occupying force as they are continually displaces from their homes. They are forced to endure checkpoints that prohibit them from getting to work/home/family/whatever. They can be detained at any time for any reason by the Mexican military. They are forced to endure the cantonization and the settlement of their land by Mexican civilians that believe, beyond any logic or reason, that they are ENTITLED to that land because their RELIGION tells them so, despite the fact that you and your family and ancestors have lived there for thousands of years.
So they fight back against the occupying force. Would you agree that those Californians are “terrorists”? I wouldn’t… But you seem to want to.
Y’know… I fail to understand how anyone can watch this film and still continue to defend the things that Israel is doing and has done. It seems so intellectually dishonest that someone can be aware of the realities of what’s happening over there and still think that Israel has any claim whatsoever to the moral high ground.
You’re gonna invade another country, occupy it’s land, knock down people’s houses so you can move your own people in, deprive the occupied people of their human rights, restrain them from moving about, deprive them of the means to support themselves and then complain and call them terrorists and crack down on them even harder when they fight back?
Are you SERIOUS?!
Seriously?!
Hi will
i thank you for the none violent language.
i’ll adress every point you made and be happy to hear from you back. since this is an important discussion.
first of all you mention in your analogy the checkpoints but failed to connect them to the suicide bombers. without getting into the argument: is the suicide bombers are a “smart” strategy? you’ll have to agree that even the most evil creature (in your view – israel) will do anything to protect itself. well, starting from checkpoints in order to check people from explosives and working permit is a good idea.
by the way, the checkpoints are on the entry points to israel from the westbank, like any normal country would have on it’s borders.
when i go to the mall in israel i stand in line for a checkpoint that checks me (an israeli) for explosives, cause you now, suicide bombers are out there. the same in the bus station and movies and restaurants… you get the idea.
what is the three international laws that israel is violating in “what they are doing” in the west bank?
as of now, the west bank is controlled by fatah. it’s an autonomy.
israel have no say in the west bank. soon they will declare independence and israel supports that within a peace agreement.
although they recognize israel they consider it an enemy and still get to come and work here. they have their own enforcing force and recently had clashes with hamas who killed many of them. not israel.
about the apartheid claim. well, it’s not possible since israel is not present in the west bank. not by army and not by govrnment. there is the checkpoints on the border, but thats what they do. check.
i believe you were referring to sabra and shatila in your 3rd point. well, it is an issue that we here in israel are learning in schools as a model to low morality and in the IDF it is a part of military ethics class as something that can’t be repeated.
however, there is no discussion about ethnic cleansing. no one was executed according to some sort of plan, and the murderers were not israeli soldiers. sharon did look away and the rest is mentioned above. by the way, many years after that, sharon was the one who made the withdraw from gaza.
now to the main comment you maid.
the jewish people did not invade nothing. we were given the land by the UN who belonged to the british before and to the turks before that. there always were jews along side with arabs in israel.
in 48 we declared independence. we didn’t want any other land beside the one been given to us by the UN.
right away all the arab nations opened a war on the newly born state. we were very weak, just the way the media now days likes it, but back then we had no internet.
unfortunately we won. since then they call it the nakba.
many arabs fled from their homes to other arab countries. no one drove them away. many of them stayed and now they’re citizens here.
as for the west bank and gaza, it’s been discussed by me above. the main concept: we were attacked (because we were weak) and occupied land that is no longer in our hands (west bank and gaza).
as for the RELIGION comment you made. israel is mostly non religious. a small group of settlers who still sits there do not represent the state. as soon as there will be peace, they are out of there! everybody hates them and they are a burden on the state and army. they spit at soldiers and throw stones at them.
on the other hand, the palestinians are mostly religious. muslims.
they’re religious leaders tells them every morning that they should kill the jewish state and its people. two soldiers who got lost on their way home was butchered by the fanatic crowd and on the other hand any arab can get into israel and no harm will come to him. i got workers from the west bank working near my house. they work peacefully, and no one thinks about butchering them.
the conclusion? yes! suicide bombers who kills 20 innocent citizens on a bus are not justified, and this is certainly no way to struggle. the plastinians should look inside and judge themselves, we here in israel do it every day. we question ourselves all the time.
and if all the above didn’t convince you… then checkpoints and fences are all we got left to protect ourselves with
believe me when i say, big majority of the people here care less for the land. we just want to be recognized and to live in peace.
Will
The houses we knock down is of suicide bombers which you refer as ethic, and were not moving people in… that’s just making up. In fact we destroy settlers homes which are not legal.
We don’t “restrain people from moving around”. We protect ourselves from suicide bombers which you think are ethic.
We don’t deprive them from anything. They are coming to Israel to work. They don’t handle they’re economics in direction of growth.. just for war.
And yes, when they come to kill us we fight back.
It’s sounds the same from both sides, doesn’t it Will?
It’s the same.
Only guess what? We are the strong ones who took care of our education and future.
So sadly. We are the bad ones. The strong one is never good.
Peace.
Exactly Erez! Fight back! Kill those damned Arabs! That will solve the problem! Good thinking there!
If only 10% of the Israeli’s would think about WHY they are being attacked by suicide bombers, the problem between Israelis and Palestinian Arabs would be solved.
“What? Somebody throws away his own life by blowing himself up to kill 5-10 Israelis? Yeah, he just hates them without a reason. Totally uncalled for.”
I agree that suicide bombing isn’t a great idea. It sure doesn’t garner a lot of good press. We can agree it’s wrong in general, but something you need to consider is that when you have no recourse and no other way to fight back, what do you do? Of course, maybe if there were no checkpoints there would be fewer suicide bombings. In fact, maybe if Israel weren’t occupying and settling land that doesn’t BELONG to them there wouldn’t be suicide bombers.
Secondly, it’s not just the Palestinians who are engaging in the killing of civilians. There are a number of Israeli terrorist groups who attempt to bomb schools and so forth.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/israel/view/?utm_campaign=viewpage&utm_medium=grid&utm_source=grid
I encourage you to do some more research, there’s a lot you don’t seem to know about.
The three laws they are violating are;
1. Illegal acquisition of land by force. This is indisputible. The West Bank and Gaza are by no means, under no circumstances and under no definition a part of Israel according to the treaties signed by all parties prior to 1967.
2. Forbidding indigenous persons the right of return to their own home. This is, again, indisputible, you hear Sharon say it over and over again over the years. It was even a sticking point at the Camp David talks.
3. The settlement of occupied land by civilian populations. Again, indisputible and sanctioned by the Israeli government. Palestinians on Palestinian lands will look out the window one day and see soldiers and bulldozers coming for them and they’ll just be ejected and their little hovels will be torn down so that a nice, new Israeli suburban home can be built in it’s place.
Moreover, that security “fence” isn’t a fence, it’s a wall and it looks very much like a certain wall in Berlin pre-1989. It’s also on Palestinian land. Those laws are just the basics, there can be all kinds of discussion about what other laws they’re breaking.
http://www.israellawresourcecenter.org/internationallaw/studyguides/sgil3.htm
A lot of the allegations on that site are kinda iffy… but some of them ring true.
AS for being “Attacked” in 1967, you need to do some more research and decide for yourself, but ultimately the only controversy that surrounds the issue of Israel and Palestine is how that whole thing went down. There is actually evidence suggesting that the attack was a response to leaked information to Syria, Jordan and Egypt that Israel was planning to invade… Gaza and the West Bank. I don’t have the links for that info, I wish I did, but again, it’s the only part of the entire situation that’s controversial and open to debate. The rest are just facts.
I have no problem with Israel existing, but you don’t get to claim that you’re the victim and that all you want to do is live in peace when the people you’re complaining about are oppressed, victimized, torn from their own homes and being treated to racism and bigotry by your own government.
I keep hearing about Israel’s right to exist. Well, whether or not a state, ANY state, has the “right” to exist is debateable, but what I’d like to know is why is it that Israel seems to have this inaliable right to exist when Palestine doesn’t? What is it about Palestine and a Palestinian state that makes it less worthy than Israel? Why aren’t THEY also guarranteed the right to exist?
It’s bull-****.
“The houses we knock down is of suicide bombers which you refer as ethic, and were not moving people in… that’s just making up. `
No, they`re not. Well, they might be, but that`s entirely incidental. If you actually think that the ONLY homes that Israel knocks down are those belonging to suicide bombers and that it`s some sort of punishment or justice you`ve been lied to.
I bet you`re a good guy, Erez, but you`re being lied to.
Erez; “We don’t “restrain people from moving around”. We protect ourselves from suicide bombers which you think are ethic.“
If you want to protect yourself from me beating you up, then pack up your stuff and move out of my house.
If you want to protect yourself from Palestinian suicide bombers, stop occupying Palestine.
Ta-dah…
Will, thank you for those posts. I get horribly frustrated very quickly during a discussion on this topic. And yes, you summed it up very well.
“It’s bull-****.”
We are not occupying nothing! it’s a myth.
we are not controlling the west bank and definitely not gaza.
i’m long gone from your house, wake up from your dream and start building it. i can even help you!
stop justifying murder of innocent people.
Ta-dah!
so what are you saying hardy?
that a man who blows up in a crowd is something to be proud of?
it’s something that contributes to someone?
i’ll go after anyone who does that to me.
@ Erez
Now go back to your sleep, little baby. It’ll obviously be some time before you wake up – before you get jolted – to the truth.
Meanwhile, in the day, finish memorising your history school book. You want to pass your primary school exams, now don’t you.
Such a great thing you can comment to the point, jono660, and not make some infantile insults with no basis.
my history is checked, but yours sure is twisted.
You sure did made MY point.
You’re probably a “great” guy.
Cheers!
What I am saying?
I am saying that there is always a reason behind an action. And if you question why a suicide bomber is ready to throw his life away, why he is driven to radicalism, you will find a reason. A reason other than “Well, he just doesn’t like Israel”.
you are right hardy! and i’m not being cynical here.
so why do you think israel do all those horrible things you see on documentaries like this one.
there is got to be a reason.
how can a nation with great progress drowns itself in the mud?
israel have so much to lose. so much anger is directed toward us. why the hell do we need all these? risking all the economy for a piece of land?
as i said, hardy, no one here wants that land, and that’s the happy truth.
we’re not in gaza or in the west bank.
those suicide bombers are learning from small age that we are satan and should be killed. i would want to die and kill satan too if someone told me that when i was young.
we just want to live without someone trying to kill us.
and for staying alive, we will do everything.
Erez;
Wanna talk about civilian casualties? Wanna talk about the killing of innocents?
K.
Here ya go.
http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/0a2a053971ccb56885256cef0073c6d4/be07c80cda4579468525734800500272
@ Hardy, don’t spend too much time on this Erez kid who is clearly indoctrinated through the history and current affairs books they’ve sworted in their school, and trained to carefully circumvent the cause and effect factor(s), and then to drive the world’s attention to the foul plunder of Palestine by focussing instead on the “effect” on poor poor invaders.
Just watch this:
“Great rebuttal by CNN anchor against an Israeli Spokeswoman”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6fn5NZ6LBk&feature=PlayList&p=7D7486C7589B71BE&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=7
and you’ll notice Erez’ humbug similar to that of Miri Eisen in the clip. They are trained so.
you’re right jono660.
as the link i’ve posted do “prove” that the israeli children are the ones who was brainwashed. not the arab kids who they teach from the age of three to wear explosive and kill the pig jews.
i learned in school about peace. how about you?
i’ve talked about facts. i live here.
look in the mirror.
oh, and i’m not a “kid”.
probably much older then you.
@ erez, but you have such a childish stance; one that only a myopic school kid would maintain, son.
Seriously Erez? Not a single reflective thought after my post?
Aren’t you able to feel basic empathy? Can’t you answer the question why muslims in your own country are peaceful and muslims in the Gaza Strip and West Jordan are driven to radicalism? Why did the Hamas win the election in 2005 instead of the less violent and religious Fatah?
Anyone can say an action is bad. The person who thinks further is the one truly capable of thought.
But you see Hardy, if these people at all conduct self-accountability, they can’t help themselves but be myopic, these “highly educated and advanced community”, for they are trained to automatically blame their failures on “anti-semitism”, or assume themselves to be self-righteous and the victim.
They are charlatans, humbugs these, living in self-delusion, pretending to be the innocent, and the bombardiers of humanity in “self-defence”; but the entire world knows the truth, don’t worry too much.
The tide’s turning indeed.
my links of 3 year old palestinian babys who are learning how to become suicide bombers and that the jews are satan (not israel) have been removed by this site, and your links are still here.
why is that?
will, at first (in 1990-2000) there was no wall or checkpoints and thats when the suicide bombers strike. not the other way around.
you live in a fairy tail story. sadly part of the world is too.
the muslim culture is violent from its base. the muslims have disputes all over the world with many other nations. in russia, in africa and more. they even have disputes among themselves.
more arabs killed arabs then jews ever have.
don’t be mistaken, hamas and the arab population wants the jews dead, not only out of their lands. go ask them, search for the hamas platform. ask the three year old palestinians what they whould like to do when they see a jew.
ask bin laden what his main goal is.
when they’ll win, and get all of israel (cause thats what they want – not only the west bank and gaza [wich is not in our hands anymore anyway] go ask them yourself) we will be the weak again. WE WILL be murdered by the arabs, and then the world will pity us. and so on…
Good night everybody. i know you all mean good.
Google search for article:
“The Birth of Israel
A Tale of Lies, Deceit, and Terrorism
By William A. Cook”
Based on classified documents from the Jewish Agency and its affiliated organizations seized by the British Mandate Police, materials that confirm that the Zionist controlled Jewish community intended to remove the Arab inhabitants of Palestine from their land and make the whole of Mandate Palestine a Jewish State, an intent that continues to the present day as the new book, The Plight of the Palestinians: a Long History of Destruction, available at Macmillan, demonstrates.
References for the aforementioned recommended read:
1- Catling, Sir Richard C. Personal Classified “Top Secret” files. Rhodes House Library Archives. #145. Mss. Medit. S 20 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) Appendices circa 475 pages of seized documents. Oxford: Bodleian Libraries.
2- Morris, Benny. (1999). Righteous Victims: A History of the Zionist-Arab Conflict, 1881-2001. Knopf. 208.
3- Khalidi, Walid. (1992). All That Remains. Institute for Palestinian Studies: Washington, D.C. xv.
4- MacMichael, Harold. (1947). “Memorandum on the Participation of the Jewish National Institutions in Palestine in Acts of Lawlessness and Violence” The Palestine Police, Jerusalem, 7-31-1947 in Catling file.
5- MacMichael. “dispatch.” 1.
6- Ibid., “Despatch.” 2.
7- Ibid., “Despatch.” 2.
8- Catling. “Memorandum.” 1-2.
9- Ibid., “Memorandum.” 2-3.
10- Ibid. “Memorandum.” 5.
11- Ibid., Appendix, XVIA, 157.
12- Ibid., Appendix, XXVIII, 219.
William A. Cook is a professor of English at the University of La Verne in Southern California. His works include Psalms for the 21st Century, Tracking Deception: Bush Mid-East Policy, The Rape of Palestine, The Chronicles of Nefaria, a novella, and coming in June from Macmillan, The Plight of the Palestinians. Articles by Cook appear in Counterpunch, the Palestine Chronicle, MWC News, Pacific Free Press, Atlantic Free Press, Dissident Voice and Countercurrents among others.
Basically, just another self-delusional article by yet another nutcase.
So yeah, Erez, sleep well baby, and rote-learn your illegal government’s history books.
Yeah, I give up. No intelligent thought here, sorry.
And by the way – you don’t have to tell me how idiotic religions are. I know.
Moreover, Erez, you’re applying an entirely hypocritical perspective. You’re saying that ALL Palestinians want to destroy Israel and when a Palestinian blows himself up it’s an act that represents how ALL Palestinians feel.
Then, you turn around say “Well, those settlers in occupied territories are the nut-cases, the outliers and the exception. Most Israelis LOOOOVE the Palestinians and want to bake them cookies!!”
It’s horse-hockey and you know it, especially when your own government endorses and supports, not to mention subsidizes the settlement of land that doesnt’ belong to Israel.
My mind is seriously boggled that you seem to be able to look these basic facts right in the eye and still not see them.
Wow,…this is why the fights continue,..I see nothing other than one person trying to point out why the other person is wrong,..or in the wrong. News flash guys,..both sides have done some ****** s***,..I don’t think anyone would dispute that. So where do we go from here? Fight some more about who is wrong,..or use our energies to figure out how to find reasons to move forward, rather than finding reasons to keep us stuck.
Mia
no one has the balls to say it but is it not the greatest irony that the nazi propoganda of jews has become prophercy! the greatly oppressed have become the great oppressers its almost laughable. The jews should never have been given Israel they suffered a lot less than other races, blacks, wot the **** did they get for 600 years of slavery? the annihilation of native americans? genocide of Cambodians? anti semetism this is not jews beware for you will judged wen righteousness returns to our world,
Long live palestine, we will be free some day
There are so many things in this video that are completely FALSE. I’ve watched 19 minutes of it and cant take it anymore. First of all the conflict does not start in 1947, it started way before that. Second of all, Jews began making aliyah to Israel in the late 1880s and they had been coming in waves. The holocaust contributed to it, but it was not the sole cause. Third of all, Palestinian Christians and Muslims DO NOT get along. The Muslims are the main contributors to the Christians leaving. For example, last summer Muslims in Gaza dug up Christian graves because they said the Christians polluted the land. Third, the first Christians were NOT PALESTINIANS. Palestine was established after the Ottoman Empire fell in the 1800s.
This video constantly blames the Israelis. What about the Palestinian leadership? Yasser Arafat? Nobody is willing to admit that he stole BILLIONS OF DOLLARS from his people and gave it to his fat wife in paris. Oh, and he also died from AIDS.
Why is this being discussed? Who dares even attempt to justify these acts? You dont excuse bad things by saying worse exists. Shame on you.
I’m really appalled by this lack of basic human empathy from everyone here. How dare you all call each other ‘Zionist Pigs’ and “babies” and “Muslim creatures” and things of this nature? The funny thing is that you all bicker and accuse one another like YOU all are the ones going into civilian neighborhoods with tanks or strapping bombs to yourselves. If we, so called, “civilized” people who are removed from the conflict and don’t have any idea what EITHER side goes through on a daily basis act like this toward each other how can any of you REALLY be surprised by the fact that the killing continues? Do you believe that any of you are actually helping by pouring out your heart for one side over the other and saving judgement exclusively for the opposite party? Shame on you all. I’m just glad that you all aren’t in charge of anything important because you all seem just as callous to the GENERAL human suffering and debasement of human dignity that takes place everyday there because of the Pandora’s box that was opened and has been opened by man on his fellow man since the beginning of time; the box of murder. We should be working to close that box with brotherhood and compassion because it’s only a vicious cycle that will engulf the wicked, the innocent, man, woman and child without discrimination.
This entire problem is based not just on Israelis and Palestinians but on us, as Westerners as well, for wanting to soothe our own guilt about the fact that we basically tried to do business with Hitler and the German people whom he led into abject sin and disgrace and ALLOWED the Jews to suffer until we finally saw Hitler’s armies at OUR doorstep and THEN did something.
And to the guy talking about Hitler’s propaganda of the Jews coming to fruition; how dare you? Honestly, how dare you? I’m ashamed to have to admit that someone like you and is even the same species as myself.
Personally, I think that Israel should’ve been taken out of part of Germany but the proud, “righteous” governments of Europe and America would NEVER have thought twice about taking land and sovereignty from a defeated enemy who, by our own admonition, committed some of the worst crimes in humanity because they looked like themselves or had a similar culture in the end. But instead, in their “infinite wisdom” thought it’d be a better solution to create divisions and malice between two groups of people who never harbored such feelings toward each other before. But, I am not an unreasonable or unforgiving man and I believe there is absolution; even for Hitler if he would’ve wanted it. And my solution about taking a piece of land from Germany is now an impossibility because, like Northern Ireland, the entire American continent and Kashmir today a foreign body of people IS now there. Whether they came in peace or with sword in hand is irrelevant because that was a fight between their grandparents and the only logical, humane and right solution is to quell the feelings of superiority, entitlement, loss and displacement between BOTH groups and to bring them together because the truth is that Jews and Muslims, Israeli and Palestinian are both a part of each other whether they want to be or whether they like it or not. They can either live together or die together.
I mean to say you seem as callous to general human suffering as the Ariel Sharons and Hamas groups that you decry.
There IS absolution here between Muslim and Jew and forgiveness for us in the West for having set the stage in all of this conflict. We just need to want it and humble ourselves before our “enemy” and throw away our foolish pride that makes us too self righteous to even ASK for forgiveness.
this doco makes me very appreciative of the peaceful nation that i live in. i am saddened and discusted at what i just watched and must admit that i was very naive to the situation in this country.
it is wrong for anyone to teach children to fight, to kill anyone is wrong, to take what is not rightfully yours. neither israels or palestinanes should be allowed to continue, BUT i also know that if my freedoms were taken away and my families oppressed and murdered. and my home and livelyhood destroyed. i too would fight. i too would throw stones at tanks.
you cannot take freedom and lives and expect people to just take it.
it is encouraging to see that there is a movement in israel for soliders to refuse to serve in the occupation. sanity seems to prevail when everyone has an open mind and ALL the information.
Well of all the races, the jews are the only one anyone has a good reason to hate. If Hitler did not do what he did, jews would rule the world and they already pretty much do
@mari juan ha
are you serious!!!!!!!!! jewish people are part of a religion, not a super human race of monsters. as with all religions, there are factions that take their beliefs and turn them into something evil. then, of course, there are the suckers who blindly follow along after them.
the “jews would rule the world and they pretty much already do” is such a bizarre statement. the israelis are doing the wrong are invading palestine, not the jews invading the arabs.
it is discusting to hear that someone would refer to the holocaust in any sort of positive terms.
For those who haven’t watched. Please ignore the rude and ignorant comments that were posted by some and take it upon yourself to watch this documentary. I had the unfortunate displeasure of seeing Gaza first hand (before the wall was built) and I was horrified at the extent of oppression the Palestinians were facing at the time. The situation has only become worse; this is a true eye opener for those who are confused on the topic; as was I. If I could give three thumbs up, I would.
isreal dun lok lik chirst…they dun follow jesus…remember isreal…god can build..he can oso destroy u…
@Hardy, @Will, @jono660 and @Ivan.
Whilst reading your comments, I couldn’t fight the urge to feel relieved in a way. You guys just said everything that makes the liver cold (an Arabic metaphor that expresses relief) For the first time in my life, I’m realizing that there are people out there who have been lies to all of their lives by their biased media, who have been taught an conditioned as well to react with such hostility to anyone who accuses Israel of Occupation. However, once faced with the facts (which is EXACTLY what this documentary shows) cannot fight the urge for their humanity and for their common sense and conscious to speak the truth, even if its TOTALLY against what their people support. I can only insist, that people watch this doc. with an open heart, and just take a little glimpse of what its like to be a Palestinian in the 21st century.
From the small state of Kuwait, I salute you.