Rise of the Superbugs

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Rise of the Superbugs

The human race has always been at war with bacteria, but the development of antibiotics in the 1930s and '40s gave us the upper hand over the bugs that were killing us. Suddenly we were superhuman. Prior to that, bacterial meningitis had 100% mortality, pneumonia 30% mortality and appendicitis 100% mortality, unless you had surgery.

Antibiotics allowed us to do things that no one could've dreamed of doing historically. They've allowed us to transplant organs, to undergo chemotherapy, to receive therapy in intensive K-units when we are critically ill. Without antibiotics none of those advances in human medicine would be possible.

We've still got the upper edge, clearly antibiotics still work, but it's the speed of change that concerns scientists. 20 years ago this wasn't an issue, but today it is. Infectious diseases kill more people than cancer. TB kills 5000 people a day, so if we don't start to act soon, within another 20 years we could be in serious trouble.

We've deployed our antibiotic defenses far and wide while the bacteria have kept up their counter attack. They've adapted and evolved. Now even our last and precious antibiotics are surrendering to the rise of the superbugs.

Now we know that people who return from overseas, after routine surgical procedures are getting superbugs in their bloodstream. With one billion people now travelling the world each year, bacteria are more mobile than ever before and so are superbugs. They're born when we abuse antibiotics and we're doing that across the globe. Every time we take an antibiotic we're giving the bug a chance to become a superbug. If more of us take antibiotics inappropriately the chances are greater that the superbug will come.

Australia is 7th in the world for overuse of antibiotics per capita. Australia is like many of other developed countries. They saw development and wealth equaling ability to use antibiotics, and they lost the plot in terms of realizing that many bacteria will not respond to antibiotics.

It's the Indian subcontinent which is proving to be a superbug's perfect petri dish. Antibiotic abuse is rampant there and there's no antibiotic policy. India mass produces antibiotics, sells them cheaply and the drugs are available over the counter without prescription. Waterways and even the soil are contaminated by waste from antibiotic manufacture. On top of poor sanitation and chronic overcrowding, it's fertile ground for antibiotic resistance.

There is a general principle in treatment of infections. The more we use any antibiotic the quicker the bacteria are going to become resistant to it. So if we have a situation where antibiotics are used in agriculture, where they're available over the counter, where in hospitals there is very little control over their use, clearly in that environment there's going to be a more rapid spread of resistance.

  • over the edge

    an informative and well done doc. it did however focus om problems and issues that need doctors, government and industry to solve for the most part. antibiotic resistance can be slowed by those of us who take the antibiotics and have access to proper medical treatment. please if you take antibiotics follow these tips (and any others from your doctor or pharmacist)

    - finish the prescription even if you feel better

    - if it says take with food or water then do so

    - take the recommended dosage and at the recommended times

    - do not share prescriptions

    - if refrigeration requires please do (do not freeze)

    - do not store in bathroom medicine cabinet or any where with temperature/humidity variations

    - if you take other medicine vitamins, supplements or natural remedies ask your doctor or pharmacist if they affect the prescription

    - if you are sick avoid contact with others as much as reasonably possible (going to work while sick does not make you a hero)

    - cleanliness makes worlds of difference

    - get recommended shots before travel and put medicines in carry on

    - before travel educate yourself on how to protect yourself from illness before leaving (in places where people should not drink tap water many still brush their teeth with it or use ice cubes made from it)

    - this list is not all encompassing but a good start

  • robertallen1

    Excellent advice and as a matter of fact, these pointers generally appear on the labels. The problem is that too many people don't read them and worse yet, too many think they know more than their doctors or doctors in general. .

  • His Forever

    I think that viral phages are the answer. For every bacteria, there is a viral phage that will kill it--we just have to find it. Superbug? No problem! Since phages are "living" they also adapt and become superphages. The Russians had it right decades ago, and I just don't understand why we don't pour even a fraction of the money we spend on antibiotic research into phage research in the West.

  • docoman

    I agree with you. Phages and bacteria have been waging an ongoing evolutionary war for something like 3 billion years, they seem like they'd be very handy allies in our battles with bacteria.

    The Ganges River in India would be a very interesting/disapointing place to investigate properly about it's phages for starters. It is interesting that more research hasn't been done by the west after what the Russians have already done, as you said. I hope we start looking better at that soon.

  • john doe

    humanity is overdue for a good plague

  • Malchik

    And sadly, like everything in the medical world as of late, little is being funded to its research,

    This is what happens when you put medicine in the private sector - cures don't generate money, constant suffering and ailment does.

  • s oc

    After watching this movie, I will never take a boat or a plane to Australia or India. The sponsors of all those commercials wasted their money on this one. I am never eating out again, and I am staying home.

  • His Forever

    Right. And viral phages work! You just don't get a lot of money for the amount of time it takes to find the phage, because they are so effective when applied, ending the problem in hospitals, etc. As I science teacher, I tell my students that 99.999999999999% of all virus aren't as "deadly" as you think--all living things have a virus that attacks their kind, and in fact, every human on the planet alive today of a certain age has at least six viruses in their body now. I have a wart I'm looking at now: virus. I get cold sores when I'm stressed: virus. Not sure what the others would be I myself am harboring, but I heard on a doc that it's more than you think. Viruses are the ANSWER to the superbug problem, as they are bacterial.

  • His Forever

    Right. Plague is bacterial. Well said. But I think it will be a flu, (viral) myself, rather than a "plague" per se that gets us next. Flu spreads fast, and deadly. Something like TB is not contagious enough to sweep the globe in any timely manner. If something like the new MERS gets going (also viral) then millions could die en mass. Superbugs kill a population slowly but steadily over a long period of time. Example: I know four people in my neighborhood who died of TB, including my brother-in-law in Manila. MDR-TB is rampant there. It's a scary place to live. I had a doctor tell me I'd probably test positive for TB if I had a skin test as most people who live in Manila do after a few years even without getting actively sick. That's why I always request chest x-rays, rather than skin tests. My wife wouldn't let me go to TB patient's funerals. I told her, "Honey, he's dead. When we saw him hacking past our house last week, now that was when it was most dangerous!"

  • I AM POP SLAG.

    cant have people thinking that,

    daddy paid a lot for that certificate-

    you seem to forget the drug resistant strains are directly a consequence of overuse and reliance on antibiotics- prescribed by these oh so clever doctors.

    Oh and that your doctor is about as likely to kill you as any illness with errors of stupidity or a dirty hospital which seem to have been some of the primary breeding grounds for these bugs...

  • Luyang Han

    This movie misses one of the biggest source of antibiotics abuse: China. Just check the keywords on google, it is a total disaster, and doctors are giving patients antibiotics on every possible issues, even it is absolutely clear that has nothing to do with bacteria, such as common cold.

  • docoman

    Hey mate, are you the bloke I talked with a few months ago, that had had an ill daughter, and was thinking of getting some geese as alarm pets? Charles I believe the name was?

  • Achems_Razor

    Yes, you are correct, same person, you talked to Charles.

  • robertallen1

    Are you one of those science teachers who believes in a six-day creation and that all life came forth spontaneously?

  • lynneb

    You need to remember that phages and viruses keep evolving as well. What happens if or when a phage evolves that kills beneficial gut bacteria?

  • His Forever

    Yes. I'm in China now, and that's where I almost died 12 years ago from this problem. I was so sick with a lung ailment (IV drips for 11 days in the hospital)--and I was still teaching classes this whole time--and they underdosed me for months before a "specialist" was called in to try and save my life. She said, after looking 2 seconds at my chart, "He's twice the size of a normal person, give him twice the medicine!" I was so angry as I even gave them my weight in kilos so they wouldn't do that. They were giving a 250 pound man medicine intended for a 100 pound Chinese man. I then had an American doctor tell me I was very sick, and somehow kept functional, while others would be totally hospitalized. It took two years for me to get better (back in the U.S.A.), and I had to take medication that many consider to be a last resort (Cippero) to get better. Glad I didn't pass it on to anyone that I know of. I was worried I'd pass it on to my family or students, but as far as I know, no one got it. That was superbug number one for me. Very scary. I still have weeker lung capacity 12 years later.

  • His Forever

    Yes! My daughter was very ill. Life-threateningly. Two doctors said she had primary TB, but as I found out, TB in infants is very hard to diagnose. Her lungs were cloudy, but she also had a puss-filled lymph node on her neck the size of a goose egg. Doctors asked if she had been exposed to TB, and I said, "Yes, our nanny had/has it, but quit." (That made me quite unhappy as we learned via a 3rd party that she said--"I need to quit. I have TB." "Oh, thanks for letting us know") But, I also noticed my daughter had infected earlobes. I went to a third doctor (at the Christian hospital) and talked frankly with him and asked if it could be a staff infection from her earrings with another reason for the chest cloudiness. He listened to me, and concluded I was right. We took antibiotics for a staph infection and she got better (along with a dream she had that Jesus had healed her). She also had the worse case of hand foot and mouth disease I've ever seen--apart form a fatal one. I couldn't even find internet pictures that looked like she did, she was so blistered up. I moved out of Manila--crime, disease, and poverty go hand-in-hand. She's quite healthy now, and she didn't scar much from the hand foot and mouth disease (not the same as hoof and mouth disease in animals). Never got the watch geese! :-) Moved to China instead, but now I want to immigrate to America if I can.

  • His Forever

    I'm sure there is a phage like that already in our gut, or it wouldn't surprise me if there were. The phage doesn't want to kill all or 100% the bacteria in a living host or it would kill off its source of reproduction as well. But, I was thinking today in the park--phages don't work for INFECTED people that I know of. They are for preventative medicine and hospitals. You spray the hospital with the phage solution in massive doses, and wash it down all the drains and all the beds and stuff. I can't recall an internal use for phages in a living patient, so we DO need antibiotics that a living host can use. It needs to be a two pronged attack on the superbugs. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

  • His Forever

    Yes. I know and understand and teach the theory of evolution when it comes up in the book, but the students know I don't personally believe it. I've found all other aspects of science quite compatible with my Christian faith. But, it's not advanced science--basic overview courses, but Chinese are brilliant, so you need to know your stuff as well.

  • His Forever

    I have a problem. Perhaps someone can help me. I said I had/have two superbugs. The one almost killed me (see post below), but the other I'm still suffering from. I think it's a fungus (not 100% sure however), but it's the most persistent pernicious resilient infestation I've ever dealt with. I guess fungi can adapt just like bacteria, right? My wife used to do pedicures before we got married. She got a fungus on her fingers and then passed it to me, and both kids, and at least one of our nannies. The doctor said it was genetic because I and my kids still have it on our hands. I said, "Doctor, I'm not related to the nanny and she has it too." Nothing cures it. No multiple creams, antibiotics, antifungals, Nada! Olive oil (holy oil) helps, we've found, but not entirely. My wife accidentally poured boiling water on her hand and it cured the infection for her. That seems to help--but I can't bare very hot water (certainly not BOILING water), and it comes back quickly. The only other thing that helped (and I think saved my foot) was a weed in the Philippines. The native people said it was good for skin diseases. It was growing wild in my yard. I tried it; burned like fire! but dried up the infection on my foot. It saved my foot, I think. Thank God. Now my foot is totally better, but the kids and I have it on our hands--may daughter gave it back to me holding my hand. I need to go back to the Philippines for a month and get that weed! Burns like fire, but stops burning when the infection is gone. I wonder if I were wealthy and smart enough if I could find out what's in that weed and market it. It's got to be an antifungal, unless we have a strange bacterial infection, but antibiotics of all types made it explode, rather than get better. This has been a seven year quest now. If I can only kill it all and on all members of our family, then I think we'll be free of this "superbug". Hope that nanny is ok. She's a niece. I'll ask. Some people seem to be more resistant to it than others--she wasn't the one that quit with TB, however. Any advice for me that I haven't already tried? The hot water treatment really works temporarily (it kills it thermally rather than chemically), but you know you can't do that to a 4 year old--it's pretty painful--makes her cry. Here's hoping I can spend a month back in Manila and find some more of that fire weed. We call it weedweed. I just want to be healthy before I immigrate to the U.S.A.

  • robertallen1

    So you're teaching something you don't believe. That makes you a hypocrite. So you put your religion before science, this makes you a wilful ignoramus.

  • docoman

    Ahh, that's right, your daughter was just getting over the hand foot and mouth when we spoke last I think. Bugger, TB as well :( A very strong little girl you have there. I'm glad to hear she's feeling better now mate. :)

  • docoman

    I was told of a lady that had persistent fungal problems in her ears. After the creams from the Dr.'s didn't work, she was told to try natural yogurt,(no fruits etc), which cleared it up. I believe they thought it had something to do with the pro-biotics in the yogurt.

  • robertallen1

    Do you have anything better?

  • http://1iotofoto.wix.com/otofoto oQ

    Pure unpasturized apple cider vinegar will kill just about any bugs. If that doesn't work try tea tree oil and be consistent, apply every day, twice a day.
    1i

  • His Forever

    Really?

  • His Forever

    Ok.

  • His Forever

    I don't think she had active TB. I think it was a misdiagnosis. Very complicated disease in babies, I've found out. But, actually, most of us from Manila have fought it off would test positive for it with a skin test, but it can't be found in our system currently. Or so I was told by one doctor when I asked "Why not just give her a skin test?" Comforting thought, eah? I think that it was septic (or going septic) staph infection. Either that or God healed her, as she said he did of whatever she had. The hand foot and mouth was terrible, but not often life threatening. You just look like it. Those were unhappy days all the way around. I got it too, but adults don't blister up like the babies.

  • docoman

    yes, apparently that was all it took to cure her fungal problems. I have no idea if it'll help you mate, but it's all I've got. :( Apart from Garlic as a natural medicine. That has good antibacterial properties I believe. It cured a bad case of boils my sister had overseas, after the penicillin etc didn't work from the Dr.s. I have also had a drug, I think it was called Nizoral, that helped kill off fungus though out my body. (I got a bad candida case after numerous antibiotic treatments) It, along with a diet adjustment, seemed to clear it up for me.

  • docoman

    Tea tree oil, an aussie native, as oQ has said is known to have antibacterial properties. That could also be worth a try mate. Good one oQ ;)

  • http://1iotofoto.wix.com/otofoto oQ

    Many years ago i had the visit of a young girl for a month, she had a huge plantar wart in the palm of her hand. It made her very shy when it was time to play with other kids as some would make comments about her hand. I started applying tea tree oil drops right on the wart several times a day and at night i made her sleep with a bandaid on the wart after applying tea tree oil on it.
    After about two weeks the war fell off by itself like a nail dislodged. It looked weird as hell but the little girl felt no pain during the whole process.
    1i

  • http://1iotofoto.wix.com/otofoto oQ

    An other one is a comfrey poultice, not sure if you can find comfrey where you live in China. It grows right in my front yard here, very invasive plant that can also be used for comfrey manure on gardens.
    1i

  • docoman

    Ahh, I have some comfrey growing in my garden. I heard it's good for bruises etc. too. Interesting, thank you for reminding me belle dame. :)

  • docoman

    I've heard of it doing some good things to help heal injuries, that's the first I've heard of it being used for warts. I have one on my foot.... might give it a go with it. :) You're a nice lady you are oQ :)

  • http://1iotofoto.wix.com/otofoto oQ

    Eatable yogurt works but it requires to eat so much of it, Have you ever heard of BIO-K+, an acidophilus product package in small doses, it needs to be kept in the fridge. Not sure what the equivalent product would be in China but i am sure it can be found.
    1i

  • docoman

    Yes mate, I currently take a fibre (psyllium husk) that has pre and pro biotics, as well as a probiotic (26 billion per capsule) each day. Same thing by the sounds, I have to keep the capsules in the fridge. That lady with the ear problems, the Dr. rang the muscular-skeletal lady I saw that recommended it as a topical treatment for the woman's ears, asking her why. (He was interested as it cleared up the problem) She said something like, well, it's an old 'ladies treatment' for fungal problems, I couldn't see why it wouldn't work in her ears as well.
    I agree with what you say for yogurt for the gut, it takes so much to eat to get the same as my capsule gives it's not a viable option. It might work topically though, it's worth a try for Charles. A horrible thing for him and his family to deal with, especially when kids are suffering. :(

  • dmxi

    nice to see another TDF user with the same contempt as i have with this superbug !

  • dmxi

    this is very disturbing...facing the facts this will be the next cause of 'genocide',if this term fits casually....at least it feels appropriate.
    if ever external entities visit this planet in the future, they would class our race as hostile beings at war with their own natural surroundings...
    never grasping how futile their efforts are/were due to not knowing how majestic their opponent is/always was !

  • I AM POP SLAG.

    smaller hospitals, training and selecting of doctors because of their natural attributes rather than the schooling they can afford-
    less influence of profit regarding healthcare-
    at the moment the healthcare system is so profit oriented that its hard to call what the medical profession does by the name "healthcare".
    and until we address the fact the modern world is poisonous were fECKED anyway.

  • IndustryOfBlame

    You can't ingest a bacteriophage orally or take it intravenously and expect it to "attack" the problem area you are looking to treat. Viruses are vastly complex on the molecular level, so they don't metabolise throughout the body like common antibiotics do, and the immune system also poses a big problem. I'm not saying phages aren't worth looking into, but clearly the matter isn't as simple as changing what's in the pill you take.

    Phages have potential in treating skin and respitory infections, but their extremely short shelf life and limits of application makes them a fairly weak replacement for antibiotics.

  • Jack1952

    That evolutionary war will continue if we use a phage as a medicine. It is no different than the use of antibiotics. A phage that kills the virus will be effective until the virus mutates and resists that phage. It is not that the use of antibiotics is wrong. It is the idea that we can overcome our illnesses with easy solutions. Our fight for survival has gone on since the beginning and will continue long into the foreseeable future. Everything we use in that fight and all we learn about our survival comes in increments. Antibiotics and its uses are just a single encounter in a battle fought in that war. Hopefully, we learn a little more about ourselves with every new discovery.

  • scorpgal

    If the nanny is a niece and she's not related to you, that means she's related to your wife, right? So there could be something genetic, and that would account for everyone except you. There could also be something environmental in your house, since it seems to affect everyone in your house. Either way, if you know that pouring boiling water on your 4-year-old makes her cry, it sounds to me like you've already tried it. That's not a medical treatment - it's child abuse. Obviously, neither the boiling water nor the weed actually works, or the skin condition would be gone by now. Those things just cause other injury to the skin, which distracts you from the original problem.

    I'm really surpised that only person has mentioned taking an oral antifungal medication, and no one has mentioned conditions like psoriasis. Folk remedies have their place, but if this has been going on for 7 years, you and your family need a dermatologist. There also seems to be a "blame the woman" theme going on here, since you seem to think that your wife infected the entire family by doing pedicures many years ago. That sounds about as logical as the guy on a health show who thought that his girlfriend gave him a sexually transmitted infection, because she "didn't wash her bottom 3 times a day". While I'm not one of those brainwashed Americans who think we have the best medical care in the world (I think the British have the best system), in this case I think you'll get much better care when you arrive here. I wish you well in your journey.

  • jackmax

    How can the parents have any confidence in your teaching if you don't believe what your teaching.?
    With all you must have seen and learned for you now to be educating our children how can you disagree with evolution.?

  • Lynne Gordon

    You may want to look into Oxygen Therapy using 35% FGHP. It may help you. At youtube see, watch?v=CM-Ibu9SeL4

  • docoman

    G'day Jack, I agree with your post mate. Especially how we tend to think there should be an easy fix for everything. There's not always a fix at all I've had to find out the hard way myself. :(

    I was thinking, apart from the immediate 'extra weapon' they'd give us at the start, they, like bacteria, continue to evolve. Whereas our antibiotics don't evolve (as far as I'm aware), we have to find new ones. It would be handy having something that also changes/evolves with our bacterial opponents. Assuming we can get them to 'keep up' (evolve to stay effective) with new illnesses, that seems to be a better longer term solution then antibiotics.

    I'm no expert mate, it's just my thoughts. I've only relatively recently learned of phages and am surprised I've not earlier heard something about them, especially from the medical community.

    I read recently that some water from the Ganges River at room temp. was more effective at killing E. coli bacteria then boiling distilled water was. I'm not sure how properly controlled that test was, but that surprised me, assuming it's accurate of course.

  • Jack1952

    Maybe I'm just a sucker that way, but I'd pay double for a cure than I would for constant suffering and ailment. I'd pay triple for a cure that eliminates a life threatening ailment. But, I guess, maybe it would be better to save my money and pay less for pain and suffering and death. Thing is, though, dead people are notorious for not paying their debts. I know when I die, my creditors are SOL if they think I'm paying for that drug that didn't cure me. I'm gonna be one spiteful corpse.

  • Jack1952

    We have been using antibiotics for less than 100 years. It was a miracle cure. Millions of lives have been saved and people have been saved from suffering the scourges of an incredible variety of infections. I may have died years ago except for antibiotics. It is hard to judge the effectiveness of antibiotics when you try to assess what could have happened but didn't. The idea of superbugs developing is a relatively new idea. Up until then, antibiotics was the magic bullet. It is no wonder that other avenues of research stopped. Why go on when antibiotics had been so successful?

    Although, I could be wrong, but I tend to be sceptical of special properties attributed to the Ganges. It may only be the result of religious confirmation bias.

  • docoman

    Good point about we'd found our magic bullet and concentrated our research on what worked. I'm another that probably wouldn't still be around without antibiotics, lucky for us we are living in these times. :)

    I had the same reservations about the Ganges and it's phages and associated religious beliefs. I saw a doco on TV that seemed to be fairly unbiased by religion and acknowledged that possibility, that was quite interesting. It mentioned the Soviets had done some research into phages. I did a little looking on the net myself, there was a fair amount of religious bias, but not in all of it. I found enough that I thought it was interesting and potentially very promising, worth at least a closer look by our medical community.

    I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time ;)

  • robertallen1

    I recall seeing the same documentary. There's a fairly detailed article on phages on wikipedia.

  • Jack1952

    I thought Jesus was the answer. Well, back to the drawing board.

  • docoman

    Thanks mate, an interesting read. There is a couple wiki pages on them. I'm interested to know, what are your thoughts on this mate?

  • robertallen1

    Seems like more research needs to be conducted. Sounds like a project for the Venter Institute.

  • jackmax

    Maaaate,

    Are my question to hard to answer or is it you just don't want to?

    So you can't say that you haven't seen them here they are once more for you.

    How can the parents have any confidence in your teaching if you don't believe what your teaching.?
    With all you must have seen and learned for you now to be educating our children how can you disagree with evolution.?

  • https://www.facebook.com/pages/DigiWebDocs/558517717500691?ref=hl DigiWongaDude

    I heard of a guy who went to the doctor with a massive toad growing out of his head, and when the doc asked "How did you get that?!", the toad said "It kinda started as a wart and just kept growing".

  • marie

    try organic wild oregano oil, very powerful natural antibiotic,anti fungal, all the best marie

  • mikeysbro

    left you a comment look under your posts from 7 days ago

  • robertallen1

    This constiutes the giving of medical advice for which you are being reported to a moderator.

  • http://1iotofoto.wix.com/otofoto oQ

    Sounds more like anti medical advice to me.
    Something i always look for, for small problems.
    Nothing wrong with suggestions. It would only be wrong if it came from a doctor, they prefer pills as expected.
    1i

  • robertallen1

    To be expected from someone who refuses to get vaccinated because she thinks she knows more than medical doctors, i.e., those with education and experience in the field.

  • mikeysbro

    many years back when I was ignorant of health I had a gallbladder surgery. When I got to the hospital I was forced to sign a waiver and that waiver said they had several superbugs inside the hospital. Furthermore, that they could not get rid of them and would not be responsible if I caught any of them. hmmm A tidbit of history before antibiotics hospitals burnt herbs like rosemary in France for its antiseptic properties was used by the ancient Greeks, and Egyptians

  • robertallen1

    And your point is?

  • mikeysbro

    For those who have difficulty comprehending the above information, it means that even medical personnel that worked in medical hospitals (up to around mid 1940's) knew at one time that various herbs contained anti septic, anti fungal, anti microbial, antibacterial, antiviral properties! Though since then they have forgotten that those scientifically proven herbs contain such properties. Perhaps consumption of milk of amnesia is the cause or effective brainwashing with propaganda is a more likely answer ?
    Since herbs haven't changed their antibiotic properties in thousands of years perhaps its humans that change their minds.

    Now 60+ years later after the milk of amnesia has been taken, low and behold superbugs are resistant to antibiotics that were once held up as a "cure" but is now found to be false. Though these "scientific" led doctors refuse to go back to SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN herbal methods!
    If one requires knowledge to protect themselves I suggest that a good place to start researching is with garlic.

  • robertallen1

    Just what are these scientifically proven herbs? And just who were these medical personnel and in which hospitals did they work? One way or the other, milk of amnesia reveals the extent of your education and intelligence.

  • disqus_q0fJBDaGHm

    The antibiotic resistant TB sounds like a job for the Rife machine. Of course, this machine is banned in the US (so it must work!). The machine is basically a square wave transmitter that transmits into a plasma tube. Royal Rife painstakingly catalogued the resonant frequencies for various disease cells. He cured terminal cancer patients, witnessed by physicians who testified to the results, many with just one treatment.
    Rife was another hero whose life was destroyed then swept under the rug by the medical mafia.
    Perhaps there is more to curing than inserting foreign substances into the bod?. The future of medicine is energy, not drugs!

  • robertallen1

    From Wikipedia (sources in article):

    "Several deaths have resulted from the use of Rife machines in place of standard medical treatment. In one case, a U.S. court found that the marketer of a Rife device had violated the law and that, as a result of her actions, a cancer patient had ceased chemotherapy and died. In Australia, the use of Rife machines has been blamed for the deaths of cancer patients who might have been cured with conventional therapy.

    In 1994, the American Cancer Society reported that Rife machines were being sold in a "pyramid-like, multilevel marketing scheme". A key component in the marketing of Rife devices has been the claim, initially put forward by Rife himself, that the devices were being suppressed by an establishment conspiracy against cancer "cures." Although 'Rife devices' are not registered by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and have been linked to deaths among cancer sufferers, the Seattle Times reported that over 300 people attended the 2006 Rife International Health Conference in Seattle, where dozens of unregistered devices were sold."

    In short, Royal Rife was a dangerous quack and you are just as dangerous and despicable for promoting this garbage.

  • mikeysbro

    Sounds can do amazing things and different frequencies of sound have different effects.
    Colors have different wavelengths and have different effects as well.
    Not to forget...
    microwaves electromagnetic frequencies
    infrared spas
    lasers
    ad nauseam
    Thus its easy to conceive that anything that causes some type of frequency generation will do something. It would be very interesting to observe a machine in action such as rife's machine.

  • disqus_q0fJBDaGHm

    The ACS has been saying "a cure is right around the corner send more money" for 60+ years now. The revolving door FDA are henchmen for the barbaric oncology racket which doesn't cure anyone. They just stifle the competition from real cures (i.e. Hoxsey, Essaic, Byzynski, laetrile, Gerson etc.). Why do you think Morris Fishbein, the head of the AMA at the time, tried to buy into Rife's device? If you are so smart, tell me why bitter almond is the only tree that is banned in the US. This is a free country so you are free to have your koolaid and the rest of us will make our own choices. I have no financial interests in promoting any of this "garbage" and forgive you for calling me despicable. Good luck to you.

  • disqus_q0fJBDaGHm

    Two excellent books are "Vibrational Medicine" by Gerber and "The Body Electric" (do not remember author)

  • robertallen1

    As usual, you don't know what you are talking about, but again what can be expected from an ignoramus such as you've shown yourself to be? You and those like you are as dangerous as the quacks they promote.

  • mikeysbro

    hehe funny guy. Perhaps you would like to compare the safety of fruits and vegetables to radiation mixed with vincristine for the audience? Let me know which is more dangerous from scientific studies would you? I await your answer....lets find out who is the quack...

  • robertallen1

    Let's see your peer-reviewed papers.

  • mikeysbro

    Well it is you that claim that I am a quack. Therefore the onus is on you to prove that the methods that I would use are dangerous.

  • robertallen1

    Wrong as usual. You are the one making a claim about vincristine, it's up to you to supply the peer-reviewed articles. If you cannot, you've have once again been proven a quack.

  • mikeysbro

    If you claim that I am a quack therefore you are required to prove that statement. In addition, you are required to prove my methods are dangerous as part of that original claim.
    Thus if you have no proof to back up your original claim then its obvious that you are the quack by making unsupported claims.
    I am under no obligation to provide proof of your claim since it is you that made it.

  • robertallen1

    Your comments on "the Cancer Seller" provide proof positive of your quackery. Once again, as you made the claim about vincristine, it is up to you to back it up with peer-reviewed articles and as it's obvious that you can't, you're a fraud.

  • mikeysbro

    Insinuations without any proof are only insinuations. If you are unable to prove your claim that I am a quack by using the aforementioned provided example then you are making an unsupported claim. Unsupported claims are known as false statements made with a deliberate attempt to deceive aka lying.

  • jackmax

    It would appear that you would like others to do your research for you. Robert did not call you a quake, he said "You and those like you are as dangerous as the quacks they promote." That being the case as you're the one that needs to provide evidence to support your claim of fruit and vegetables to radiation mixed with vincristine in my opinion.
    All you have done by your responses to Robert is avoid your obligation to provide the evidence to support your claim.

  • jackmax

    It seems you have not provided any evidence to support your claim

    Thus by introducing distractions to your original claim you seek to vindicate your lack of knowledge.

    This only confirms that the accuser has no knowledge to support the original claim and as such any subsequent claims have no validity.

    After your demands that you have made to Robert, you don't follow the same rules as if you did your evidence would be posted already

  • jackmax

    perhaps you could compare the safety of fruit and vegetables to radiation mixed with vincristine yourself rather than except others to do your research for you.
    How can one investigate other opinions and ideas if they don't provide any sources for other to possibly research so they may understand your point of view better.

    It would appear that by your own admission your here to disagree for the sake of disagreeing.
    That's never going to create a good inviroment to exchange thoughts and ideas in my opinion
    From what I've read of yours at no stage did you indicate that this was only your opinion, from what you have written it appears to me you are making statements which does require evidence in my opinion

  • robertallen1

    Promoting the quackery from those you mention, renders you not only dangerous, but despicable.
    P.S. Source for your statement about the "bitter almond tree."

  • jackmax

    After 13 deleted attempts to say something to me the best you can come up with is lol....

  • robertallen1

    No insinuations at all. Direct accusations are more like it--and as for unsupported claims, what abour yours anent vincristine?

  • jackmax

    I just finished commenting over there

  • His Forever

    Oh, thank you. We're back in China now. We finally got the infection
    under control with a good doctor in the Philippines. 90% better, but
    you know with fungus, you have to kill every spore or it comes right
    back. The medication was very expensive, but worth it if we can get rid
    of the infection. I'll also try the garlic.

  • koffeewitch

    "antibiotics still work and we still have the upper hand".... are they mad? There will be no new antibiotics against resistant gram negative bacteria and as far as I can tell, the treatment of the future is amputation. The writing on the wall has been there for decades.... overuse of antibiotics was a bloody stupid thing to do. And we have known it for decades.