Life or Death in the Gaza Strip
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A rare glimpse of the embattled Gaza Strip and a chance to see what life was like under the rule of Hamas. In 2007 VICE tried and failed to get into Gaza through the Israeli-controlled Erez Crossing.
Back then the rival Palestinian factions of Hamas and Fatah were engaged in a bloody war for control of this tiny strip of land.
Hamas won. When the post-Mubarak government of Egypt decided to start letting small numbers of folks into Gaza through their Rafah Crossing, VICE knew they could finally enter the region.
As both Arabs and Israelis are supposedly Semitic, shouldn't then anyone criticizing any of these groups be called anti-Semitic? That would of course include mr walterr44?
A kind of paradox - as both Arabs and Israelis are supposedly Semitic, shouldn't then anyone criticizing any of these groups be called anti-Semitic?
You know what would solve all of there problems on both sides.. the core of both of their religions "FORGIVENESS" AND to see each other as human not Jew or Palestinian... this applies to everyone around the world too.. "HELLO" where all human....
THE EGYPTIANS should of killed MOSES. HITLER was right. the KHAZARS should be sent to the sun. Harsh but at least we can start to rebuild the country together united as an equal. ZIONISM IS THE PROBLEM!
Neutral reader
Read the post by slpsa. I don't have to say anymore. I don't have to prove my points. slpsa is a far better spokesman for Israel than I could ever be.
What REALLY blew me away was those por souls in the jail
who were only using drugs and would be executed after being
in there for one year...
Amazing that anyone would tolerate such oppresive and
inhumane Islamic law...
As bad how they put Allah this, Allah that BULLSHIT
into their dialogue...
And so much for wwomens rights, 6 years in prison for
having a child out of wedlock...
What an oppresive regimea
It is really mind-boggling how much damage Israel has caused to the Palestinians - be it the economy, the environment, their physical well-being or the trauma and stress they cause every day. Israel steals, robs, plunders, attacks, destroys and murders and gets away with it on a daily basis and on top of all Israelis claim to be the victims. Amazing.....
Israel has all the cards.
Its hard to play victim when you have all the cards. But, amazingly...
some folks will buy anything. In the USA, that's a solid majority of the population.
We are not an overly discerning lot, unless it matters to us for some venal reason or another. Palestinians don't count for much here, no one really cares about their history, their present, their future, their human rights.
Read today's article in the NYT by Dayan. According to this person, everyone - Israeli or Palestian - is pretty much satisfied with the status quo. Funny stuff.
Jack1952, the critical difference between the two is that one has a state, massive armaments, us diplomatic cover, power, borders, dignity - the other has none. Go back and take another look. At least, come up with your own take, rather than the tired propaganda line. Angry words are all the Palestinians have been left with. And those are used to continuously oppress & dispossess them. Its really a nasty business one shouldn't be a part of legitimizing.
Indeed. As we see, neutrality is another word for anti-Semite according to Mr Neutral Reader guy.
Perpetutaion od PRPAGANDA.
How much does Hamas suck... more than Israel... but not by much.
When you admit there are problems with killing innocents on both sides, and meet me half way, perhaps this could have been civil. Instead you blame one side, and one side only. I am no supporter of religion if it matters. Any of them. Regardless, we get the point. You are biased, any other opinion is anti- Semitic, therefore, there is no debate. You are right. End of. I hope they paid you well for this.
Neutral reader
A true adovate for Israel would never advocate atacking
innocent Moslems. Only the ones who support the annihilation
of Israel and the use of terror thoughout the world.
To Neutral reader.
All people have their biases, for only a zombie can go through life without biases.
But not all people are interested in the same things, and you neutral
reader haven't been following the assault on Israel very closely and so know
little about the conflict. It is you that write. I don't
want you to be mislead.
It's monotonous but I'll repeat. If you examine my previous posts you will
see that I gave facts that can be verified by you. The anti Israel side
if they did give facts were cherry picked ones which I countered
with the truth. The rest of their arguments consists of extreme leftist
and Arab fundamentalist propaganda accompanied by ad hominem attacks
most of which consist of crackpot psychology.
True, I made what could be considered my own ad hominem attack.
I called the anti Israel commentators here anit semites. If you go back and read that post, neutral reader, you will see that I was careful to state
that it was an opinion not a fact. Unlike the anti Semites who babble
about Israel's supposed atrocities as fact but which can't be substantiated.
I call it as i see it. Arguendo, even if half the libels against Israel were true
they still would not amount to the horrors the Chinese inflicted on Tibet,
the Turks have inflicted and still inflict on the Kurds, the caste system
in India, the Native americans in south america and so on, and on.
But only Israel has received such a singular focus with world wide
boycotts and protests by the knee jerk left and some neo nazi groups.
(though I think there is little difference between them).
But the tragedy is that libels are entirely false. the atrocities are committed by the the so called Palestinians, who like "honest Iago" in shakespeare's Othello accuse Israel of what they're guilty of.
Ah yes AIPAC so often brought up by the anti semites. The anti semites modern version of the Protocols of Zion. So far this way too moderate
group of appeasers has only done what hundred of other lobbying groups
have done, lawfully lobby congress. Of course the anti semites froth at the
mouth at this while ignoring the Arab Oil money pumped into american universites to poison the minds of amrerica.
To Neutral reader.
All people have their biases, for only a zombie can go through life without biases.
But not all people are interested in the same things, and you neutral
reader haven't been following the assault on Israel very closely and so know
little about the conflict. It is you that write. I don't
want you to be mislead.
It's monotonous but I'll repeat. If you examine my previous posts you will
see that I gave facts that can be verified by you. The anti Israel side
if they did give facts were cherry picked ones which I countered
with the truth. The rest od their arguements consists of extreme leftist
and Arab fundamentalist propaganda accompanied by ad hominem attacks
most of which consist of crackpot psychology.
True, I made what could be considered my own ad hominem attack.
I called the anti Israel commentators here anit semites. If you go back and read that post, neutral reader, you will see that I was careful to state
that it was an opinion not a fact. Unlike the anti Semites who babble
about Israel's supposed atrocities as fact but which can't be substantiated.
I call it as i see it. Arguendo, even if half the libels against Israel were true
they still would not amount to the horrors the Chinese inflicted on Tibet,
the Turks have inflicted and still inflict on the Kurds, the caste system
in India, the Native americans in south america and so on, and on.
But only Israel has received such a singular focus with world wide
boycotts and protests by the knee jerk left and some neo nazi groups.
(though I think there is little difference between them).
But the tragedy is that libels are entirely false. the atrocities are committed by the the so called Palestinians, who like "honest Iago" in shakespeare's Othello accuse Israel of what they're guilty of.
Ah yes AIPAC so often brought up by the anti semites. The anti semites modern version of the Protocols of Zion. So far this way too moderate
group of appeasers has only done what hundred of other lobbying groups
have done, lawfully lobby congress. Of course the anti semites froth at the
mouth at this while ignoring the Arab Oil money pumped into american universities to poison the minds of amrerica.
I think what Mr Neutral Reader guy misses, is there really are no neutral readers. And if there are, the spin put on his version of things are far from reality and certainly biased, hardly would that type of propaganda sway any intelligent person's opinion. An abused person without counseling, always wants to be the victim. Israel and the Palestinians are both exhibiting the same sort of behavior. Both play the victim, both unable to understand their own behavior carries on this situation. Enough said, The non existent neutral readers have probably seen and heard enough by now, all none of them. The biased AIPAC type tripe is seen through like a pane of glass. You fool noone.
To the neutral reader
I never said that slpsa advocted genocide. I stated Hamas advocates genocide
and he seems to ignore that fact. This issue is a red herring
I haven't put words in anyone's mouth. Quoting someone is not putting words
in anyone's mouth
" For this reason, you are not being taken seriously by anyone here, but your one supporter."
thank you one supporter it's quality that's important not quantity. For once slpsa is offering a fact. Except for my one intelligent supporter no one here supports me. But that fact is just about the only accurate fact he's ever given. The rest of his arguement consists of ad hominem attacks.
"But sadly, many of us do not find racist trash funny, at all."
Neutral reader
ask yourself what racist trash have I presented?
And also ask yourself isn't an attack on the Jewish state without
any legitimate evidence to back it up a racist attack.
Isn't it racist to ignore all evidence of malfeasance on the part of
the so called Palestinians and on the other hand totally distort Israel's
attempt to defend itself.
Neutral reader.
I'm well aware that most of the commentators here are against me.
I am also aware from their statements that they are anti Semites.
I don't present this as a fact but as an opinion based on their comments
which do not answer my factual presentation.
That's why I'm addressing you neutral reader and not the bigots who babble on this page. Once again use my previous posts to ascertain the objective truth that Israel is rightly defending itself aginst an enemy that not only is wants to destroy not only Israel but also the United States and the concept of liberal democracy.
With all due respect Walter, nowhere did I advocate war and genocide. You are now treading into a place where you make up your facts and put words in others mouths and make their statements what you want them to be. For this reason, you are not being taken seriously by anyone here, but your one supporter. In fact, your comment is so asinine, it is laughable. Please carry on appealing to the readers who are not here, we love when crazy nutjobs entertain us. If your outlook was not so ignorant, it would be satire. But sadly, many of us do not find racist trash funny, at all.
how can someone 'un-neutral' expect 'neutral' attention ?
only the weak & the hurt turn to bias-rhetoric, due to their dire need of comforting...
...that they are worth-while!
Dear Neutral reader.
One of the commentators recited one of the most banal statements,
"Two wrongs do not make a right."
This trite expression is used often whenever Israel takes steps to defend
itself. It's used far less often about the Palestinians when their suicide
bombers kill innocents.
Neutral reader,l why is defending yourself yourself a wrong?
The steps Israel takes to protect its citizens are steps that any nation would take when faced with a murderous enemy that deliberately targets woman
children. I have been called biased by some biased commentators.
True, I'm biased. I never said I wasn't I'm biased on the side of a democracy while most of the other commentators are biased in favor of Islamofascists
who advocate war and genocide.
Like I said Jack, the biased ones like Dear Mr Neutral Reader would not make very good parents. Their parents did an awful job it seems as well. They cannot understand one of the basic ideas you teach young children. Two wrongs do not make a right. So, that being said, responding in any meaningful way to their tripe is verbal masturbation, with no feelings of satisfaction awaiting the end of the conversation. The biased ones are pretty much the same as the religees, it is a massive waste of energy trying to use logic and morality in any debate.
To the Neutral reader
I will no longer present a point by point rebuttal to all the nonsense
presented by the coterie of Israel bashers because all of them
were rebutted in my previous posts on this page and I'm
not going to answer ad hominem attacks
I will offer a comment on the following,
"How was the relations between Arabs & Jews during the whole 1900's century? Say, just a little before 1914 for instance? Better yet, before the "Balfour Declaration", Huh? You got a very short sight."
Throughout history generally speaking the Moslem world tolerated
the Jews, because like Christians they were "people of the Book."
But neither christian no jew was considered a full citizen or an equal to
a moslem. Though the general record was one of tolerance there were from
time persecutions of both Jews and christians.
Other non moslems were actively presecuted
As far as I remember, what could be considered as the "Oldest" last time was in some big book in which an unknown or vague third party said tjat his "Only god" once told him that this or that land will all be for his son and descendants. Anyhow, all other living individuals were not fit for his planned heaven.
A bit of the same thing that all Monarchies used along the thousands of years humankind existed. Only those chosen really had worth.
In some and many cases since the industrialisation, other means of that "Being the special elected" took over.
For example, communism or dictatorism as seen in North Korea.
There are good means (Systems) and there are worst ones.
It only depends upon upon the "Elite" that many calls "Diaspora".
Pretty simple to see along the centuries.
a Nation based on Racial purity and none diversification...great idea..when was the last time that was tried?