Medical Marijuana Corruption

Medical Marijuana CorruptionWhether you agree with it or not there are over thirteen thousand people in Canada who have a medical marijuana license and they can legally smoke pot.

It's allowed under a federal program created over ten years ago. Health Canada doesn't charge for a medical marijuana license and the program is supposed to be easily accessible.

But 16x9 investigation has uncovered numerous cases that put its legitimacy into question, like doctors who demand hundreds of dollars for seeing patients and filling out forms and patients who then use that license to grow and sell marijuana on the black market.

This is an investigation into Health Canada's medical marijuana licence program that reveals some doctors and lawyers profiting from the program - and 16x9 exposes an underground market for the illegal drug.

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  1. its wierd that it can take so many years to get an approval of its effect, how many years have they had to investigate now? compared to the time it takes to investigate an approve 100 thousands of chemical prescription drugs. This is Denmark!

  2. "Medicinal" marijuana...ha.........ha...........hahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahhahahahhahahhahahahahahaahahahahhahahahahahahaAHahhaa!

    Really, in all honesty, that is a PERFECT statement.

  3. Best country''s make soft drugs & prostitution
    Legal , No 1 country can stop drugs and prostitution.

  4. didn't even bother to watch. LEGALIZE it. Clearly.

    1. Me either. I'm a little disappointed that TopDocs has this here.

  5. I had to stop this silly documentary half way, its just more stupid propaganda from gready idiots who have destroyed our planet over the last 80 years, STOP this nonsence, we the people of the world are no longer blind to your stupid properganda, we know this plant is the most wonderful plant on earth and that it does no harm what so ever to humans, in fact it is healing millions of people, from the horrible illnesses that are caused by the gready people that are the root of this horrible propaganda crap, and if i had a chance I would pay the the solicitor $1000 for a persciption, its better than living in fear of jail, for smoking a joint of medical marajuana, were is my freedom, we are not living in a free world, we dont have the right to choose, shame on the media showing this CRAP,

  6. for what it might be worth, this movie reminds me of the mccarthy days. it's been a while since we were so simple minded in the west coast. i assume this lady is from toronto. the movie would have been better if she hadn't gone off half cocked midway. please don't bother convincing us it's not medicine when you're making a film of this kind. it seems kind of duplicitous. oooh.

  7. in regards to John krisfalusci when i was your age i also had similiar views. Yet i found them to be wrong. I was raised in a very christian household like wise. The changing point on regards to cannabis was when i was 17 i had a migraine/ cluster head ache( I suffered them up to this point for quite some years) my room mate in college suggested i try some to alleviate them( i had no otc pain killers at the time nor i had a scrip for the medicine i normaly use to take for it) just to walk to store was not possible because of the pain. Well i thought why not after he said that his aunt used cannabis to treat hers. To make a long story short after a few moments he asked how it was and i realised i no longer had a head ache( to this day i have not had a single episode of that intensity and its been over 25 years). Now as an older person due to the profession i have chosen my knees are giving me issues and cannabis helps with the discomfort far better than any pain killers it works quicker and for a longer duration. It also improves the mobility of my knees. I have also struggled with sleep problems longer than i can remember, Hard to fall and stay asleep again cannabis helps. I can fall asleep quicker and instead of 3-4 hours of sleep I can sleep a solid 7-9 hours. TRUST ME WHEN YOU SLEEP 7-9 hours it does wonders. I' m also prone to depression again cannabis helps with the bad thoughts and gives me a brighter outlook on life. TRUST ME when i was your age i prayed hard on healing over these issues yet nothing happened.

    The only reference to cannabis in the bible is possibily in the OT and it's in reference to being a ingredient in incense used in the Holy of Holies( That is open to debate). More than likely it was the resin glands used as the ingredient( AKA hasish) If that is the case then there is no condeming of it.

    Alas one more thing if you think guns should be illegal, let me say this the Bill of Rights 2nd amendment allows us the American citizen to bear arms. Remember that guns don't kill people kill.

    Just because you go to a private school it does not make you more intelligent than any one else. Life for me has been the biggest learning experience than school could ever be.. I have self taught myself many things over the years, so keep learning even after the schooling years are done. In other words think for yourself and do not blindly follow some one else's ideas. TRUST ME.

  8. have you ever seen an agressive person high on weed? have u ever seen someone high on weed hit 'n run? in fact i did my driving exams high, because its a fact that u are more focussed. how many people died due to DUI? how many fights started by drunk fools? this is a r***** documentary. hemp was growing everywhere 100 years ago. its a natural weed. im glad i live in holland where people are smarter then r****** america... this doc makes me puke, r****** are the vomination of earth

    1. Your comment seems to contain some aggression.

    2. perhaps it's simply a case of blood lust

  9. wtf is wrong with smoking pot? u should look at the statistics, compare weed with that liquid drugs called alcohol (its worse then ghb) u americans are really stupid, how can pot be illegal? its only illegal because it makes u think, and go against society, its a substance that unslaves u, rather then makes u more stupid like alcohol, ur all noobs in life

    1. if you simply add the 'y' and the 'o'...then you will in fact be spelling the word 'you' correctly. that would help a lot of us. wtf?

    2. Hi, I love your passion, and once upon a time, I felt the same, stupid Americans, and then I woke up, and I seen these special special People Stand Up to the federal government in there own Country, and I realized how Wow these people are, I am as passionate about Ending prohibition as you are, in my home in Ireland, and we cant even convince a load of Stupid Silly old Farts that prohibition is wrong, but yet the American People, Wow they take on the federal government, and the People are winning, so your thing should be with the federal government, or even better, the horrible illuminate, as this is were it comes from, Not the People.

  10. Yep. That's my Prez tokin'. Makes me feel not all is lost.

    PS Love Raphael Saadiq.

    1. The chap with the hat? Oh how I wish ours would do that now and then, not sure we could drag the silver spoons out long enough to get one in though :) Kind of surprised you know Raph, but he must be more famous there than here I suppose.

    2. Raphael isn't famous, just good. Any politician our age who says he/she hasn't smoked a bowl is either lying or not worth voting for.

      But he is kind of famous. Remember Toni, Tony, Tone? That was Raphael.

      Don't be surprised if I understand what and who good music is.

  11. LOL are we seriously still debating with a stubborn, bias, close minded person? Judging from his responses he is way too arrogant to admit his flaws and admit his " I am so well educated and you're not " claims as utter garbage

    John you maybe knowledgeable about some things but trust me buddy
    you my friend are not wise at all

  12. Don't Bogart that joint my friend
    Pass it over to me

    "Don't Bogart that Joint" - Wagner/Ingber

    1. YouTube and type in 'oph (a weed song)'

  13. There's a scene I like out of the movie 'Good Will Hunting', that this thread with John reminds me of.. goes something like, 'you can read a book about Michelangelo, and tell what you've learned about the Sistine chapel, but unless you've stood there and looked at it, you can't tell me what it FEELS like.."

  14. Not trying to twist my shoulder patting myself on the back, but some of my own story. I've done IQ tests, the usual student and online ect. when not using MJ, and I've also (hehehe) done a full blown, ' controlled, psychologist administered' IQ test when stoned as....
    I, when not under the influence, do ok, score above normal. When stoned, I scored average, in all areas tested.
    So in my experience, of course you're not at your peak when you're stoned. Of course you are impaired, derrr, you're stoned. (sidetracked and hungry) But test me again, when the effects have worn off, and I score the same as I originally did.
    As far as drugs go, MJ has less harmful, less permanent, less addictive side effects then many drugs that are routinely perscribed by doctors, all of the opiates for e.g, which are very useful, but addictive and potentially harmful.

  15. @ John K... I do wish you'd had the opportunity to discuss marijuana related brain damage with Professor Sagan. In any case, alcohol abuse has landed more people in prison than any other substance I can think of, and it's perfectly legal. You are being intentionally lied to and, if that is indeed the case, then the real agenda of those you are listening to is worth looking at, don't you think.

    As to governments... haven't you ever wondered why one gets so little time as a result of a drinking and driving fatality in comparison to robbing a bank(?)

    Perhaps, you should inquire as to how odd it is that alcohol, which does not grow naturally in the wild, is held in such high regard when marijuana, which is in fact a natural part of the ecosystem, is held in such disdain by those you are listening to.

  16. I can say this after the first 5 min... Until it is completely decriminalized there is gonna be a huge illicit money making niche.

    1. Decriminalized and legalized are two very different outcome.

    2. Very true.
      I've seen an Aussie tell you it's legal in some places here in Aus, it's not. In a couple states/territories it is decriminalised. Last I saw the more lax laws were 2 plants, outdoor, they'll get pulled up and you get a fine. They tried 14 plants, then 7 plants, but they found commercial growers could still do it with those numbers hydroponically. Nothing allowed now under artificial lighting. Only a small amount dry. (Somewhat up to the police in practice, under an oz. and you're safe [on commercial] unless they're after you. I know someone who got busted for .2 gram) In the past I was fined $700 for 2 used smoking impliments..MMJ. LOL, raided me when I was in hospital, interviewed me when I got out, looked like I was on my deathbed. Coppers actually looked like they felt bad, said they had to or they'd get their azz's kicked from their boss after signing a search warrent :( (dumbazz me bought some MMJ seeds online.. the seeds got through customs, but the transaction was noted and put me on a list to check out when the next big 'operation' happened. A handy stat. to add to their numbers is really what I ended up to be for them. They didn't find any MJ or seeds in their search;) Where I live now nothing is legal, growing is zero tolerance, so I'm back to percription meds :( )
      I've lived under both kinds of laws, where you could get away with only a fine for growing some, and where you couldn't have any. There was still a black market in both places, only the price was slightly cheaper (tad more homegrown on the market, lower price plus lower average quality at times)
      Harsher penalties don't stop people from growing/using, it's been proven time and time again. (the laws are not why I'm not growing or buying MMJ now, it's other reasons)
      Edit- damnit... if it didn't get so damn cold I'd love to move over your way, wish I could get paid for trimming :(

  17. What i think is that John opened a facebook account with three of his 10yrs old photographs and then his file was stolen by his dad who is the real one writing on here. If he was the real John in private school where when would he have time to spend so much time on the net at all hours of the day.

    1. That occurred to me too.

    2. If he was home-schooled and taking classes on the internet, he would have plenty of time on his hands. This may even be the work of several youngsters posting together. Or, as you suggested, an adult posing as a kid.

  18. Guys honestly! He might be teetering on the edge of some high and mighty opinions but credit where it's due, he's punching well above his weight here and still standing. Let him learn, all your collective knowledge must be something of a revelation. At his age I'd have been thrilled to bits to be challenged this way, to be shown new ways of thinking. And besides, it does a kid good to land on his backside now and then (I think that's inevitable). As my Grandfather used to say, any idi*t can ride but you're not a horseman 'til you know how to fall :)

    1. Thats all fine and dandy, except for some posts that say to the child, get some MJ and DMT and lock yourself in a room and try it, that to me is contributing to a minor and dangerous even if it is a suggestion, I for one will delete and have deleted those types of posts.

    2. Must have missed that one, sorry Blue :)

  19. John is a prime example of the dangers of private schooling... The damage that will be done by waves of these indoctrinated and self-righteous upstarts with well stroked egos, confident that they are better/know better than anybody who wasn't also privately schooled.

    A couple of classes you should talk to your pastors about introducing...
    - Empathy & Appreciating the fallibility of all men, especially yourself.
    - How to avoid hypocrisy (though the pastors can't help you there as religious hypocrisy is as old as religion itself)
    - The importance of citing credible sources.

    I'll leave you on this thought... Whenever you think you have more intelligence than somebody because of your schooling, remember, there are plenty of dumbsh** kids with rich parents that attend private schools, as well as many bright, intelligent ones that couldn't afford it. ;)

    1. It was Einstein who said "Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school."

      He also said: "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."

      Thr arrogant blowhards to whom you refer should try to remember both. I'm sure Einstein had them all in mind when he stated these simple facts of life.

    2. So extremely well put, WiseGapist. If you don't mind, I'm going to quote you.

      Pay attention, John.

  20. This is funny. My housemate just walked by and handed me a matchbox of medical weed gratis. Cinderella 99.

    PS How long has it been since you've heard the word "matchbox" as a measurement of weed - if ever you have heard it! That goes way back.

    1. 1968. I cost 5 bucks.

    2. Ditto... Berkeley, 1964, matchbox of clean weed, no stems, 5 bucks......

    3. My guy wasn't so smart. His matchboxes came with twigs and seeds so by harvest time I didn't need him for months :)

  21. What I'm saying is although there are medical benefits medical marijuana goes far beyond those benefits. The respective governments are acutely aware of the benefits of marijuana. I truly believe that they understand this is a large part of the economy.

    1. i know there are certain people out there making crazy claims about the abilities cannabis has to heal (Rick Simpson is one who comes to mind). and then you get people who think it works the same for everyone. and ya BC is well aware that some of its cities are completely funded by the cannabis industry.

      half the reason the vote for legal cannabis didnt pass in california is because those places that depend on the market as it is voted against it....all growers. they know they make more money through the black market. a shame really.

    2. I don't think the growers were thinking of more money than they were thinking of maintaining the status quo. The weed industry is a very stable industry with very little fluctuation in the market. Prices for weed have pretty much remained the same for more than a decade. Good for the customer and a very profitable business for the manufacturer. It's almost a perfect free- market economy. Almost.

      That's where medical marijuana works its magic. It is the stablizing force. It takes away the grower's incentive to over-produce by limiting his customer base. Now I'm not talking about the mega-growers. This is where the flip side of medical marijuana works another market force. With so much being grown legally it leaves enforcement with more resources freed up from chasing small-time growers to concentrate on the mega-growers. Another market limiting factor. So medical marijuana also gives the government some subtle tools to exercise control. I think the growers and the government and most importantly the customer are happy with this arrangement. Why change it?

    3. Outdoor weed used to sell for 2000-3000 a pound in BC, that's before 9/11 when people walked it accross the mountain into the States, this year you're lucky if you can sell it for 1300 a pound, last year the market even went under 1000 because there was so much of it.
      Trimmers used to trim for 200 a pound (one could trim 3pounds a day pretty easily), now you get paid 25$ a hour and machine trimming is taking over.
      Indoor is at around 2400 a pound and trimming is paid 20-25$ depending for who.


    4. Oregon was a big customer for BC weed once but no longer. We grow our own excellent herb and now Oregon is a net exporter of weed.

      Hmmm. Wonder why?

  22. Is it just me or did everyone except the cranky woman doing the interviews seem to be high?

    Far from a hard-hitting, investigative doc this is really nothing more than an observation of the state of Canada's Health Care system. As @oQ mentioned in her previous comment, this is a "report". I am certain many of the viewers outside our borders are scratching their heads at what this was all about.

    If you are not a Canadian it is difficult to explain. In our fine country we are not necessarily supposed to have to pay above & beyond our Health Ins premiums or above a certain amount for prescriptions after hitting a deductible & certainly we are not expected to pay an extra fee for services from our physicians. It is true that doctors can & due charge to fill out forms but the meat & potatoes of this "report" or observation is just the simple fact that if something is part of Health Canada then it should be easily acquired by any patient in need with no extra costs involved. Although we should not have to pay extra for fast attentive services, you can wait for months to get a CT-scan or an MRI. That is unless you are willing to pay for it yourself at a private clinic. One's financial standing should not determine one's medical treatment in this country. Tell that to all the professional athletes who have scans & MRI's the day after an injury. Our health care system is generally fair to all Canadians but is always more fair to those who can pay extra. Once MMJ becomes more universally accepted the extra costs & troubles will no doubt be absorbed into the system. I know south of our border our American friends are scratching their heads at the fact that we theoretically have free & easy access to marijuana through our Health Care system & we are whining because it can sometimes be a bit of a challenge to get to our happy place, let alone worry about years behind bars for having & doing the same thing in your grand nation. I love the U.S. Lived there for many years off & on but I've always been a Vancouver Island kinda boy.

    Personally, I never realized it was difficult. Mind you, I live on the southern tip of Vancouver Is., BC. I also have a fairly young, excellent family doctor who also happens to be a pain specialist. I struggle on a daily basis with ongoing health issues from many motorcycle accidents but unfortunately Pot does little if anything in a truly beneficial manner for me. It is not for the lack of trying, believe me.

    As weak as this expose' was, it was interesting for me to see what my Canadian brothers & sisters are going thru. It should obviously be of no surprise to anyone that some of those with a grow license are going to find the temptation to make some extra money on the side just a little too strong & easy. No comment from me on that point.

    1. I understood the reporter to say that medical marijuana is not included in the Canadian Healthcare System.

    2. It very much is included in the system & is supposed to be free for any patient who qualifies to obtain a MMJ license. Not even $125 USD (as you mentioned to Az) or about $120 CDN. Ha! Sorry couldn't resist that last little dig. All in fun mate! Cheers!

    3. I was thinking that Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia should become an autonomous governing region if only for the currency. Hell I've got so much Canadian money (coin) laying around I could probably afford a nice weekend in Vancouver.

    4. I do know that after countless WA drivers getting & ignoring speeding tickets in BC (vice versa as to BC drivers in WA) there are now laws in place to prosecute for these infractions committed while in a foreign country. (points towards your license, higher insurance rates, & loss of license are but a few penalties until said speeding fines have been paid) I know this from experience when I lived in Seattle & got a couple speeding tickets outside of Vancouver & on the Island.

      So in a sense at least two of the places mentioned do have an autonomous governing region. Sorry to all others, this is hardly on topic other than pertaining to laws in Canada vs other places. Perhaps that keeps it close enough to the film shown. Actually we could almost add California to the list as well. Well maybe Northern CA. A friend of mine from Vancouver was recently in CA on business & with a little help from an associate was able to get a CA state MMJ license while down their. When asked to show his ID he produced his BC driver's license I said he was in the process of moving. Paid a nominal fee & had some jane for the rest of the trip.

      Any way, if you venture up this way, drive safe & obey the laws, check out some of the Cannabis Cafes & most of all have fun.

    5. The reason I was mentioning currency is because in this region the largest agricultural cash crop is marijuana. Now if your largest cash crop is weed it would be economic suicide to try to eliminate that crop. So what do you do short of legalization? You have medical marijuana. It's a ruse and a sham and everybody knows it.

      This region of Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia is knotted together economically by the marijuana industry alone. If weed fails the economy fails. Medical marijuana assures that weed will not fail. And it increases the probability that the trade in weed of that area is in the form of export rather than import. That money then enters the market legitimately where it can be taxed.

      With that in mind I see nothing wrong in what the lawyer and doctors were saying - essentially we are joining this economy. I think the reporter was so dense that it never occurred to her even when she was being told that was the situation.

    6. are you saying there is no medical benefits to cannabis?

    7. come to Toronto. not as nice as Vancouver but im here!

    8. My Dad was from Toronto. And by the way, medical marijuana benefited him greatly in the last few months of his life.

  23. Sounds like it's much easier to get a licence in BC than in Ontario, doctors every where are willing to sign papers in BC because doctors everywhere smoke.
    What i have been noticing though, is that most (past) prescriptions or licence to grow allowed for an average of 20 plants, now some doctors (and yes some of these "special" doctors charge a fee to beat the system) have found a way to prescribe up to 100 plants or more per grow cycle claiming that it is to be transformed into oil instead of smoking the buds. Many growers who were illegal growers are now applying because at a 100 plants per patient it is now more viable to become legal and continue with a similar production to what they were already doing.
    It may be called medical marijuana but pot is mainly sold for recreational use... and of course for medical reasons too.
    Looks to me, this is the way the government is slowly legalizing a substance they can no longer emprison people for.

    Most comments are replies to John Krisfalusci. I say let him believe what he what, he's been convinced by an old system, time will tell if he changes his mind even if he swears he never will toke. How many did that very same thing with alcool production, now as legal as milk.

    1. Seems to me that this is as good a time as any to teach him how to think for himself instead of regurgitating the opinions of those who are as uninformed as he is. He strikes me as quite intelligent yet quite ignorant, at least in this matter. That can be overcome with a little thinking and a much broader reading of the literature. Of course, that's work. It's much easier to post inane assertions in a forum like this.

    2. Ok...but then i would like to read a few comments concerning what the doc portrays.
      As for me, i am well informed but i am interested to know how accurate this sounds to others depending where they live.
      Zatarra is the only one who mentionned the aspect of the subject discussed here.

    3. Doesn't sound too accurate to me. This is about the sloppiest reporting I've ever seen come out of Canada. For some reason I failed to see exactly what the point is they are trying to make. Is it the system they are exposing? The Doctors? The law? The growers? What?

    4. It seems to me they are exposing the doctors that are charging a lump sum of money to sign a prescription, something that should be free (in Canada). They claim to charge to fill forms, have you seen the forms? Even a stoner can get through them easily (lol). Those doctors are benefiting from the fact that still most doctors (in the east) won't sign a prescription even though the law allows them to do so.
      The doc is not about the pros or cons of pot itself.
      In fact you are right this is not a doc, it's a report. A doc would have gone way deeper.

    5. I live in Oregon and we too have medical marijuana. Of course we don't have national healthcare but our system appears to work much better. One just goes to a doctor and gets a prescription and then pays $125 (US) to the state for a Medical Marijuana Card and you're in business. Takes less than a day with no hassle whatsoever. I live a couple of blocks from a marijuana dispensary and it's sorta like a 7/11 for weed.

      One of my housemates has a card and he has assigned his growing rights and receives 2 oz a month from the grower. Killer weed.

      I don't have a card because I never saw the need. This is after all Oregon and weed should be our state flower. In any case I sometimes send my housemate to the dispensary with a shopping list to buy small amounts of 4 or 5 types of weed or I can buy an oz from the housemate's grower for $100.

    6. variety is the way to go. have you gotten into smoking oil yet?

    7. It "sort of" work this way in BC (except the fee to the doctor) too for prescription but what if you are a grower? Is it that easy too?

    8. I take it by "grower" you mean those who grow the medical marijuana for card holders.

      A card holder has two legal options. He can grow his own or he can assign his grow rights. On the face this was done because there are some too disabled to grow their own. But it also serves another purpose. In Oregon if I'm a grower I can have in my possession seven plants for every card holder for which I am growing provided I have REGISTERED with the state the names of the card holders. Another subtle control of the market by the state. It now has weed production facilities that can be monitored by the state. They allow this knowing full well what is going to happen to the enormous over-production. It's going to enter the market and further dampen illegal production.

      Just makes you realize that there's more to medical marijuana than appears.

  24. @John
    You seem so intelligent, or so you think buddy... why did Time magazine release an article about hemp being the most useful plant with over 12,000 uses in the early 1900's? Why are there many M.D.'s that adhere to the fact that it is one of the most useful medications with the least amount of side effects? Why is industrial hemp which is not psychoactive illegal? Why do you think a black market exists? Why would you deny people a medicine that helps them? And finally, why was a research paper just released that shows MMJ actually inhibits the spread of breast cancer?

    Hmmm I guess you are on the leading front of medicine and science.
    The reason why scientist cannot study the effects of MMJ is because the DEA blocks their requests. Your pastors demonize MMJ because it may allow you to break your conditioning and see they are full of s*it.
    Uh oh, I am telling you that organized religion is a means to control people... Can you handle the truth that you are living a life of lies... Probably not.

  25. @John Krisfalusci

    Marijuana worse than Meth ... What on earth are you on dude! lol..... Actually if you did your research before you tell people to listen to you, then you would at the very least know the true facts about meth and pot! And when you quote from the bible make sure you have the facts there too, cuz I never saw that bit, from what I can remember god gave us all seed bearing plants to use, but dont quote me on that cuz as far as Im concerned the bible FOR ME is not true and correct either.

    Everyone has a vice in life dude, be it sugar,drugs or excercise and certainly nothing in life is a hard and fast rule... If you had any experience at all, you would know how these different drugs affect people differently. Im a person who cant drink, but just because I cant drink doesnt mean to say I cant have something else to relax cuz sometimes yoga or meditation doesnt quite cut it for me! I choose not to take meth or heroin I choose not to pop pills, I'm addicted to donuts but they're bad for you too so I choose to not eat donuts all the time.

    Pot can affect people mentally indeed but it certainly doesnt cause "brain damage" unlike meth does and thats documented fact, it truly depends on the user. There are alsorts of things in our world that are linked to cancer, doesnt mean to say that cancer is what you get for indulging "moderately". Its like my friends Grandma, she smoked a pack of ciggys everyday for years... know what she died of? OLD AGE she was 103! Another friends Grandma never smoked a day in her life, never indulged in any "evil" drugs, she was a religious nut to the core and she died early from lung cancer. Things affect people differently!

    So it doesnt matter how much you profess to know about the "evils" of pot and/or "drugs"... if you dont make sense and if you are going to make the statements "listen to me" and "trust me" and you havent even been to my hell and back, then there is no way on this earth I would listen to some one like you, yea no worries get it out there dude, but most sane people can see that your facts are incorrect and not worth listening to.

    The old saying goes "never trust someone who says trust me" and I always had a problem with people on power trips or crusaders, who are you to tell me whats good for me and whats not. If you have a need to crusade and warn people on the "evils" of life then you really need to look in your own back yard. You dont have to worry about my back yard mate, its taken care of so rest easy Son shine!!!

  26. john everything you have said is incorrect. i feel sorry for you

  27. Consider this, John. There is a very high correlation between the number of churches and bars in any town or city. What can you conclude from that?

  28. Just give it up, John. You cannot win this argument.

  29. Clueless politicians. Arrogant doctors. Opportunistic lawyers (well most are any way). Free market entrepreneurs. Black marketers. Self medicating citizens. All perpetuating a broken system. It suggests intent.
    But the US can't chastizes Canada for this sine the US is just as opportunistic of loopholes as any other country.

  30. In the United States, tobacco use is responsible for about one in five deaths annually (i.e., about 443,000 deaths per year, and an estimated 49,000 of these smoking-related deaths are the result of secondhand smoke exposure).1

    Alcohol abuse kills some 75,000 Americans each year and shortens the lives of these people by an average of 30 years, a U.S. government study suggested.

    A recent analysis by the Los Angeles Times found that drug deaths now outnumber those killed in traffic accidents, and prescription drugs are largely to blame.

    Annual Drug Related Deaths in the US – Marijuana Ranks Last … With ZERO

    John, if your teachers are really telling you that marijuana is more dangerous than tobacco or alcohol than they must be HIGH!!

  31. The Bible? lol
    Here is a good one for you. If God is the creator of everything, then didn't he(she) create Marijuana?

    If everyone took the Bible's word literally then I would love to see a world with Leviticus as the gospel of morality.

  32. first of all John Krisfalusci, you cant just go around spouting nonsense facts that you made up. You need to be able to back up your claims and you haven't. You are making things up that are not true. You are a straight mind-controlled individual. YOU WAKE THE **** UP!

  33. Listen to me, we learned at school that marijuana is dangerous, it causes brain damage, it causes cancer, increase in unwanted violence and crime and we just don't need it. Our Congressional Leaders/ Presidents tell us it's bad, and even the Bible says it's evil. Seriously, why would you people try to legalize this stuff when it causes nothing but misery? It just makes no sense and my teachers at my school are already sending letters of Petition to Congress to stop the Marijuana Laws from passing in November. Open your eyes America.

    1. Wow you have no idea what you are saying. TALK ABOUT ALCOHOL LIKE THAT. Alcohol is way more dangerous than pot you wierdo.

    2. @ John Krisfalusci: I would be impressed if you could show me in the bible where it says marijuana is evil. Furthermore, if you are a true Christian, and you want America to open it eyes, ask yourself the follwing question. Was Jesus Christ a gun toting capitalist? (give me a break) Personally, I think Americans need more dope, and less guns. Perhaps than you will quit listening tto the propaganda, and start thinking for yourselves!

    3. @awful_truth Trust me it's there. And even our whole panel of Pastors tell us it's evil. Seriously, ask ANY religion Christian or not, you expect me to believe Marijuana isn't evil? And what is this gun toting capitalist have to do with this? Don't even try to put nonsense into this argument because you simply won't win.

      Yes, guns should be illegal too. Things like the Colorado shootings and the Sikh massacre etc etc would NEVER happen but I won't even go there.

      And you say "Americans need more dope" Please, don't make me laugh because you are literally hallucinating. I will stop there because reading the rest of your garbage just wastes my time and shows how low your intelligence is. Good day~

    4. Dear John,
      Yes its a "dear john letter" Your ignorance is the perfect example of brainwashing. Check out the youtube video 50 Quotes of Important people about Marijuana. Abraham Lincoln was an advid user of cannibis along with many other people that would surely shock you. You and everyone else who looks to Humans and not their own conscience is still being lied willingly.. Remember how you felt when you realized Santa wasnt real, well Stop relying on others to show the so called truth. Read the Sermon on the Mount It will remind you of why you are a Christian and not a Pharisee. you know abou them dont you. Our Creator put all we needed on this Planet MAN controling MAN changes the rules.

    5. @John Krisfalusci: Sorry for the delay, I work for a living. As far as your response, "trust me, it's there",(regarding marijuana as evil) I don't have to because I have read both the old, and new testament, and I can gaurantee you, it doesn't exist. (no trust involved) Alcohol however, does have reference in the bible, and it isn't good.(includes Jesus accused of drunkedness, drinking feremented wine) Since you are young, you need to understand a couple of things.
      1) medicine - of all the drugs out there, marijuana is by far the least dangeruous, with the most benefits. After you learn about the history of money, research the history of drugs for confirmation. Unlike your comment,(trust me) I say, don't take my word for it, research it yourself before you decide what is real, and what is not.
      2) My question regarding 'was Jesus a gun toting capitalist?' was to remind you that Jesus was non violent, (pacifist) and drove the moneychangers (the goldsmiths) from the temple. (3 0f 4 gospels - anti-capitalist)
      Ultimately, you are too young yet, to understand that nothing in itself is evil, it is what motivates us, or the item we use that determines it's value. (or lack there of)
      You are right about 1 thing. If someone tries to tell you that marijuana is a good, they are lying just as badly as when someone tells you it is bad. I do apologize if you didn't see the humor(contradiction) of what your American government personifies. (marijuana bad, guns/war good) Since the entire American economy is based upon war( exploitation of the weak) it is your responsibility along with allother Americans to start thinking for yourself, and trust no one. (If you wish to trust the word of Jesus, that is great. Just make sure it is his word, and not someone else's interpretation of it. Think for yourself, you have a brain, use it. Best wishes, and live long and prosper!

    6. u r too old yet?

    7. I would like to say "good day" to you too but somthin' tells me theres more of you lurking down below where I'm about scroll, bub.

    8. its all a LIE. period.

    9. I'm going to assume that you're being humorous a la Andy Kaufman; you know, just taking the piss, making outrageous comments just to wind people up.
      I love your statement "increase in UNWANTED violence and crime". As opposed to WANTED violence and crime?? Pretty damn funny. I'll bet you just finished burning one before you commented. I'd like it if one day, we could share some of mother nature's bud and have a laugh. Seriously, you crack me up man!

    10. I've been reading your comments and at this point I just have to respond. You seem very, very concerned about this matter and you may have good reason. However, you do not back up any of your assertions with any data. As one of the other comments noted, the Bible is not a source of evidence for anything. Saying that marijuana is a gateway drug is a tired old argument that commits the fallacy that correlation means causation. You might as well say that milk is a gateway substance since everyone who smokes marijuana also drank milk, Perhaps you yourself should go back to school and take a course in logic or statistics.

    11. really you believe the Gov? God forbid anyone in your family is sick and marijuana is the only way for their suffering to be helped Could you look them in the eyes and say Im sorry I helped keep this medicine from helping you . Forgive me!!! You need a serious bitchslap from the universe!

    12. @desertsailor What are you trying to say? Am I not supposed to believe in the Government? And with a nickname containing 'sailor' which implies the fact you might be or did serve in the Military, not trust the Government who back the very same Military you are affiliated with ? Desertsailor you're delusional, you wouldn't even know what's right or what's wrong. On top of that, someone of that status should not even consider arguing aoubt drugs and Marijuana, that is completely off grounds to you and for SHAME.

      Please go get help, I'm done with you.

    13. I have been reading your comments and now have to reply. You seem very concerned about this matter and you may have good reason. However, you do not back up any of your assertions with any data. And as someone else commented, the Bible is not evidence for anything. You also commit the logical fallacy of confusing correlation with causation. If marijuana is a gateway substance than so is milk. Anyone who smokes marijuana probably started on milk. What about all of us who have smoked pot who have never gone on to heroin or any other drug? It seems to me that you should follow your own advice and go back to school to take a course in statistics or logic. And consider the very real possibility that your teachers were just wrong or misinformed.

    14. @CHumphrey Why is everyone considering Marijuana users and milk drinkers? Who cares? The point is Marijuana causes cancer, causes premature death, it's addictive, causes crimes and violence, countless gangs and cartels.. I mean I can go on and on but ENOUGH. I haven't heard anyone suffering these kind of conditions with milk. I'm tired of arguing. I'm trying to let these lesser informed people know the dangers so we wont be so mis-informed like we do so much from the media.

      And seriously, all the pot smokers who have NOT gone on to heroin or any other drug STILL needs help. I am most positive there is a direct correlation between brain damage with Marijuana usage.

      They and I am sure people out there, including yourself and @WiseGapist say that occasional use is fine, but that simply means addiction in layman's terms. It is sad because people who say they use it for "recreation" use, cannot admit the fact that they cannot stop using it and you are literally opening your weak selves to more violence and Meth and crack and who knows? Enough..

    15. You missed the point, John. Right now I'm not surprised. Again, take a course in statistics or logic. They will help you understand what I meant. And would you please provide just a little credible evidence to support the assertions you are making over and over again? Please? Repeating them does not make them credible. Seriously, dude, you've got to provide some real evidence.

    16. OK, John, I will say it again. Correlation does not mean causation!!!! It is a logical fallacy, Can you just please, please, please give us some direct evidence that smoking marijuana causes brain damage?? I beg of you.

    17. John, you sound like you are high on life. :) It's quite amusing reading your dribble on a subject you actually admit you have no experience with. Yes, your point of view and comments have been assessed, and in my mind found to be sadly lacking in knowledge, logic and reality. Highlighted by your reply to the request asking 'where does the bible say MJ is evil'.. 'trust me, it's there' being your inadequate reply. You are the one that should feel shame.
      As someone who has been a non-user, a recreational addict, a medical user, and back to a non-user, I find your expressed opinions rather silly and childlike to be honest. And you can shove your hell implications where the Son doesn't shine ;)

    18. @docoman I am just stating the truth and insulting someone with childish remarks will not win you arguments. Nor spelling points for that matter "Sun" shines "Son" is not correct.

      I'm sorry but the Truth hurts and sometimes it just needs to get out there by confident people willing to help others. I am one of those people. Thank you.

    19. The truth? OK, so, in light that you have to earn your trust not just ask for it, where exactly does the bible say MJ is evil? I find your telling someone they're definitely going to hell quite offensive, hence the reply. Edit.. Doesn't it say in your bible that it's Gods job to judge, not yours?

      Where is your evidence backing up MJ causes cancer... MJ is a gateway drug.. MJ causes brain damage ect. ect.
      Confidence doesn't mean correct. As you yourself stated, you have no experience, so where/how do you arrive at your conclusions?

    20. "The point is Marijuana causes cancer"

      Interesting. Considering that the largest government funded study ever (National Institute on Drug Abuse) headed by Dr Donald Tashkin over 30+ years, found that those who smoked an average of 3 marijuana joint every day, for at least 15 years had a DECREASED likelihood of lung cancer compared to non-smokers of anything.

      I now expect you to research that information for yourself then subsequently work to quash any petition your school comes up with on the subject.

      And from me to you whether private or public, schooling as it functions in our current society today, serves to create an institutionalized mind quarantined from critical thought. It is unknowingly fueled by layered manipulation and is our biggest mechanism of public control. The sooner you realize this and question everything for yourself including authoritative bodies, the better chance you have at lifting the veil and learning the true nature of life, happiness and our overall purpose. :)

    21. Cannabis does not cause cancer and has not caused a single death.

      do you enjoy lying?

  34. Ever since the privatization of prisons, corporations have made huge amounts of money locking up stoners. That's the reason this stuff is still illegal. Big business is making great profits from your tax dollar and government subsidies.

  35. Marijuana is Illegal because it is considered a schedule I drug under the Controlled Substances Act. This means it is addictive, dangerous, has no medical use and is a gateway to heroin. This stuff is poison, and probably worse than alcohol, cigarettes, meth, crack whatever you think of.

    I mean think about it, all the prisons in America are because of marijuana related crimes, and all the addiction clinics across America are topping the list for marijuana related problems.

    It causes crime, violence, and God knows how bad this will cause brain damage over the years, and causes cancer and smoking anything into your lungs is NOT considered 'medicine'.

    And all this mumbo jumbo about "Medical Marijuana" is just a poor excuse for pathetic drug addicts to satisfy their addiction. Seriously, do not vote for the 3 states this November Ballot . This stuff will be the downfall of our future children and we just don't need it. It has no purpose whatsoever on Earth.. TRUST me~

    1. Blaming global warming on marijuana has just as much footing as the spew of fabricated nonsense coming from your mouth.

      And no, I'm not directing this at you personally -- I get the joke, but I KNOW people who believe just this.

    2. What are you talking about? This has NOTHING to do with Global warming and how is what I said nonsense?

      Seriously, go back to school and get educated. People like you just make me feel even more sorry for our future.

    3. Epic sarcasm...

    4. wow really, worse than meth?

    5. Really.

    6. lol of course the bible that's a good source of evidence.

    7. "increase in unwanted violence and crime"

      lol really? have you even dealt with pot smokers?
      let me tell you they are a lot more laid back then drinkers

      You can't critique something you have not tried
      that's called being bias. Do you actually think the government tells you these stuff for your best interest ?

    8. I am never surprised by the depths the nannies will go with their lies. The Psuedoamphetamine they give half the kids in America IS meth. In states with strong patient rights, like Colorado, edible products are affordable and available. Vaporizers have been around for years. There is no need to smoke anything, even cigarettes. I have yet to see a bar not full of drunks on the jones for a fag.

    9. Don't just 'think about it' do some research and find out the real history of the 'war on drugs' and why certain drugs are illegal while equally harmful substances are not.

      Many plants have pharmaceutical properties; just because one has gotten bad press and placed on a list doesn't negate it's possibilities. The only real 'mumbo-jumbo' is what you seem to have been fed and swallowed, hook, line, sinker and fishing pole.

    10. If it had no purpose on our planet, why the F*** does it grow wild than?

      Go take your prescription anti depressants you mindless drone....

    11. so does the poppie plant. :D

    12. no John, i will not "trust" you, you sing old boring song everyone knows is 100% not true

    13. John, when you get older you will understand why your teachers and possibly even your parents present marijuana to you in the way that they do. But, if you want to take on a more mature perspective I'll present it this way...
      Your teachers are totally correct to steer you away from marijuana while you are still at school, a number of studies have shown that weed effects the younger, still developing brain more substantially than the brains of adults... I smoked during my mid-teens and regret starting at the age that I did...

      Eat healthily, exercise, read, don't start smoking tobacco or weed, or drink too much and continue/finish your education...

      Then as an adult, do (almost)all of the above, but also go get yourself some easy-ass Canadian medi-weed and get high after work. (:

      P.s. Good luck with the first part.^ - Alcohol, weed and indulgent food are all excellent in moderation, just make sure you go for quality over quantity with any of them ;)... and stay off the tobacco, that is connected to cancer, not weed.

    14. @WiseGapist I NEVER do any drugs whatsoever. I don't smoke cigarettes, I don't drink any alcohol, I don't take any pills, NOT even Tylenol, barely any sugar and barely and meat and you know what ? I am healthy and smart as ever because I don't kill brain cells. I am just giving out important advice to those who don't know any better and this is a great way because people are so ignorant these days in America. It could possibly be from drug use and our School is campaigning for a drug free Society. If you are telling you get 'high' after work , I am truly sorry for you. That shows major incompetence in responsibility and if I were your son, I would be disappointed beyond belief.

    15. Feel sorry for me do you John? I'm sure there are more people on this site who feel sorry for you ;)
      I don't have any children yet (thankfully) but I often give consideration to the way that I would raise them...
      Will I feed them blatant lies about the nature of drug users and the effect of drugs in order that it might deter them from experimenting at too young an age... In a way, it might do the child a favour, he might get a scholars education, be a professional success and die rich all because he didn't touch marijuana and loathed people who did...

      But here's the clincher John, the human journey isn't about closed minded strict living, devoid of sensation and extraordinary experience... Nor is it about guzzling tons of junk food and getting so f--ked on drugs you are worthless to society... There is a balance, and it is a balance that some achieve and some don't. If I saw my son displaying your ignorance I should be quick to correct his view before he made himself appear a fool in public ;) - Our massively flawed and unequal social structure drives people to crime and hard drugs, not happy, intelligent people smoking some herb.
      Also, have you ever been with somebody when they've smoked weed? Or been around in many bars with drunks?

      ...I smell the conditioned and sheep-like brain of a Christian... Did I just see you use your local pastor as a source of truth?! loool :')

    16. John's comments remind me of just a few years ago when I was in highschool, and a police officer came by to preach about the universal, unquestionable dangers of substance abuse. I had never previously had any information about drugs blatantly delivered to my face like that, and with the force of authority behind it, the message instantly lodged itself in my adolescant brain as truth.

      For a few years following, it did untold damage to my social life. Because if everyone does it, you're the oddball who won't face fact. But I eventually learned, though it took alot of careful searching through relevant facts and ultimately some knowledge about the basics of pharmacology before I was able to just accept and enjoy like everyone else around me.

      I guess it all depends on your upbringing and social surroundings, what choices you make concerning drugs and what information you choose to take to heart. If I had lived in an oppressive community, not just from the government but the very people around me, I would not be able to sit here today admitting that for a very long time, I was wrong.

    17. Show me your evidence that weed "kill(s) brain cells". Or are you just saying that. Well I'm calling you on it.

    18. i can allow you to prove it to me instead! here we go . go take an online IQ test for free snapshot your screen with the score post it, now go smoke a bunch weed repeat process.

    19. John, there is so much wrong with that I do not know where to begin nor do I have time to educate you on intelligence testing and research methodology. Again, it squarely upon your shoulders to provide the proof of your assertions which you simply have not and cannot do. BTW, do you know anything about burden of proof?

    20. That's your evidence that weed kills brain cells? That's all you got? That ain't evidence. It's bullsh*t.

    21. go and make a painting or graffiti or other art, now go smoke a bunch weed repeat process. much beter;)

    22. Or if I should take his little test and my IQ actually improves after smoking. Does that mean instead of killing brain cells I am giving birth to new brain cells?

    23. Good for you for your healthy lifestyle but you have to get a grip. If you have statistics let everyone know where you got those stats. Show us official studies to back up your claims.

      If you make a law people will break it. In Canada we have a product called the Kinder Egg. It is a chocolate egg with a small toy inside. It is illegal in the United States. American tourists not knowing this have bought them in Canada to bring back as gifts for friends and family in the States. They have been detained at the border and may face fines for the possession of these eggs. A silly law. Marijuana laws can be just as silly if applied too rigorously. Common sense is what should be applied and it isn't all too often where pot is concerned.

      There is absolutely no way that marijuana is more dangerous and harmful than meth, crack or heroin. Anyone who makes such a claim has not made any attempt to fully understand how any of these drugs affect people. I have seen the crack and meth addicts. It is sad how quickly they deteriorate physically, emotionally and financially. This type of downfall just does not happen to pot heads.

      I do not smoke pot or tobacco nor do I recommend it but I don't make wild statements without knowing what I am talking about.

    24. I'd rather be in the company of tokers than drinkers and I don't believe blow is a gateway drug. I do think it might be true that people willing to try something are more likely to want to try all sorts because that's the sort of people they are anyway :)

    25. Substitute the word Bible for Marijuana. Far more accurate.

    26. LOL, you are either a troll, terribly stupid and intellectually dull, or a grossly mis/uninformed propaganda guzzling sheep. Possibly all of the above. Get a clue, please.

    27. What is there to troll about? Think about it, why do you think Marijuana has been illegal for almost a century? Has it ever occurred to you that if this stuff had any legitimacy that it would've been approved and passed by our leaders decades ago? Even as of 2012, there is no scientific merit to Marijuana and we live in a technological society. Again, prisons and addiction clinics are #1 in guess what? Marijuana so sorry to bust your chops. I mean statistics never lie and I'm just pointing out to the truth. To anyone that says Marijuana is considered "medicine" is simply delusional. I won't even go there...

    28. its true.

    29. how old are you?

    30. John boy is a child, 13 or so years old, says even by his his own words is far to young to even gamble on line or elsewhere, and I suspect is in a private religious school.

    31. @Achems_Razor Again, age has nothing to do with this matter and stop trying to imply that youth equals no knowledge or experience.

      And whether or not I'm in private school or religious private school or playing games or defending what is right or whatever, that is NONE of your business. Leave me alone and I'm done wasting my time with you . Thank you!!

    32. On second thought disregard what I just said John-John.

      EDIT: You know guys if John is a minor then we should exercise some care. We don't really know what's lurking out there - legally or otherwise.

    33. youth sometimes does equal lack of knowledge.

      youth very often includes gullibility and lack of experience. it appears you suffer from both of those.

    34. Well no, it is my business on this site TDF.

      And it would probably be a good idea if you did go away, you are too young, a minor by your own admission. And this is not the arena for rug rats or ankle biters.

    35. Marijuana was made a shedule ! drug becuase of a smear campaign by Hearst , JP Morgan and the timber industry!!!! its people like you that are destroying this planet. And all you need is a Mail order Pastors Degree to convince people that are ignorant to mouth off untruths.. Read Sermon on the Mount, you need it. If you dont like marijuana dont use Simple leave the rest of the world alone

    36. I thought you were joking at still a little shocked that this has no hint of sarcasm.

      Cannabis has many medical benefits and has not been shown to cause cancer in any study.

      the only reason the prisons are full is because its easy to catch people for since they are not violent, the rehab centers are full because when someone gets busted they sometimes have the option of jail or rehab so they choose rehab because its easier, the crimes around it are there BECAUSE it is illegal, just like when alcohol was illegal.

      I really think you should do some research before you display this type of ignorance.

  36. it is a mind altering substance that is detrimental for personal development. you think the government would want it legal

    1. Just like alcohol? Even tobacco is mind altering.

    2. those are legal too

    3. They legalized MTV.

    4. Alcohol is more detrimental. Do you think the government wants it to be legal? Overeating, gambling,over work for money, over dieting, over sexing,etc,etc,etc. The society is the government. Unless you are in north korea.

  37. the question is- why its illegal in the first place?

    1. It's not. Never has been. A very clever tax stamp scheme made anyone applying for a said license present the marijuana, which you can't legally possess without the stamp. Making dealers rich since 1937.