December 21 2012 – The End Of The World

Very interesting. Not sure what to make of all this. I suppose time will tell. I have my personal theory that I was thinking and I was surprised when my wife said precisely what I was thinking first, but I don’t feel inclined to share it here.

Mr. Razor: It seems to me that a “global Quantum Theory” reality is referenced in this video, (but not the name) which is what the “webbots” are picking up on, predicting changes before they happen. That’s what I thought was the most curious thing in this documentary. What’s your take on that?

Vlatko: Segment 5 seems to loop to itself. I had to manually click the last segment which ends abruptly before the official end. Close enough, however.

Oh no-it did cut off at the end. This was very interesting, and I like that the someone near the end of the show points out people thought the end was near for generations. John did for 2,000 years.

I did not see any problem with the way the Biblical information was presented. I have read Revelation, and I think the represented it accurately. The movie isn’t on Christianity, and they didn’t discuss Rapture and Tribulation and all that, like Charles B suggests.

The show was giving several perspectives on predictions for the end. I’d be interested to hear more about the Hopi. Maybe the world has existed 4 times already. Who knows? Humans may cease to exist at some point. The earth will go on.

Lisa O: The documentary was made by different people than the ones that made the summery at the beginning of the film. The summery isn’t very well done, but the documentary itself was very interesting and didn’t have much from the Bible which seemed fair to me. I was commenting on the summery first, and the documentary second in different posts.

As far as the documentary and the Bible, I doubt that John was seeing modern tanks and the such in his visions as suggested in the film itself, but rather real demonic creatures, but that’s open to one’s interpretation. It’s obvious that some things are sybolic. I did notice however, they said he wrote about the “Antichrist” but that particular word is never used in the Book of Revelation, but most people’s interpretation of the “beast” of Revelation is the Antichrist, yes. I’m giving my sermon series over the Book of Revelation (chapters 1-3), so I try to be very careful with the details.

And Lisa O., you’re right, they dont talk about the rapture in the documentary, but in the summeary “left behind” is USUALLY a reference to the Rapture and those who do not make the cut, so-to-speak, and are “left behind” but in this case it was in reference to Armagedon. Some scholars do put the two together, but I dout the commentator was that deeply informed about the events of the end times according to the Bible and it was just happenstance for him or her.

God bless,

Charles B.

No scientists are predicting the end of the world!

It is being promoted and exploited by pseudo-scientific cranks!

A new movie about 2012 coming out soon, books, survival kits, video’s
etc: Its always money folks. So what if our solar system is going to be aligned with the center of the Milky Way Galaxy, the Milky Way Galaxy is some 200,000 light years across. Gravity travels at the speed of light. If anything was to happen, it would still take 100,000 years give or take, for any gravity to affect us.

I for one, will not be losing any sleep over this end of the world B.S.

I like how Merlin is wondering in the forest looking like he’s lost or high as fcuk.

Everyone needs to think outside the box this could very well happen and rock your world.

The Mayans never said the end of the world was in 2012, their calendar just pretty much stopped there. Of course, if you were making a calendar today and you got as far as about 1,700 into the future you might not continue it either. As a historian I will tell you this bit of fact, every civilization has thought it was living in bad times. Try finding one where people went around patting each other on the back saying, “wow the good times are here!”. Not too, easy is it? Every civilization has had an end of the world story, it is human logic telling us all things will end, me, you the planet, the sun etc. I took this doc as entertainment, and entertaining it was.

This is very valuable information. Considering that there are only 375 days until doomsday, I might as well quit my job tomorrow, cash out my 401k, quit making the mortgage payment (it takes about a year to actually get “the boot”) and live out my most wildest fantasies !! If the money runs out before next fall – what the heck….perhaps I’ll try my luck at robbing a bank!!! ooooo – if I get caught, s life sentence sure wont take too long!

To Charles B – Do you have something like the “National Do Not Call” Registry, where I can request to be removed from your “prayers”? I’d rather fend for myself, thank you.
(just kiddin’ with ya)
BTW – its s u m m A r y (summery is like seasonal)

The film was interesting, even though absurd.

@Charles B.,

This documentary isn’t Silmarillionly correct either and that’s about as meaningful as something not being biblically correct. Fantasy is fantasy, too bad for you that Tolkien’s mythology is better than yours.

i mean the mayan calander not the i ching.oops

How come seers, prophets, psychics etc only predict doom how come they never predict good, cures for disease, solutions to war or predict peace? Maybe calm is uninteresting??

Carla, a good place to start your research is Phil Plait’s “Bad Astronomy” blog:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/23/2012-nonsense-at-information-is-beautiful/

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/17/more-2012-debunkery/

There are several Mayan calendars BTW and the Mayans (or what’s left of them) themselves say 2012 is hooey:

http://boingboing.net/2009/10/13/what-actual-mayans-a.html

The Book of Revelations, btw, is NOT part of the New Testament. It’s a book added [following] the NT and the RCC has, though without making it particularly known to the public, gone through centuries or at least plenty of the 20th century into the question of whether the book should be removed altogether from the Bible, or maintained. F.e., they weren’t sure of the real author of the book and some experts in authorship, or writing, have said that it could not have been apostle John. They said it had to be someone else named who was also named John and lived during the same period as apostle John, which was not an uncommon name. The RCC sometimes wanted to withdraw the book from the Bible, but because the people deciding over this weren’t sure of whether the book should really be part of the Bible, or not, they always chose to maintain the book, “just in case” ….

In any case, it does not constitute part of the NT.

It all starts and ends with the ancient mystery schools that most of us are not part of. Here is a real eye-opener that any dullard can prove. Just what did the year of 1947 mean and why???

an amusing and entertaining thought
by Norio Hayakawa August 27, 2006, a re-post of my June 14, 2001 article:

The fact that E.G. & G. (one of the main contractors at Groom Lake – Area 51, since around 1955) was established in 1947 has been common knowledge all along. There have been several articles in L.A. Times in the past on E.G. & G. and its founder.

Speaking of the year 1947, I can truly say that the year 1947 was a strange year. It was in 1947 that CIA, the successor to OSS, was established.

Also, coincidentally, or not, the Department of the Air Force was officially established in 1947. Also, coincidentally or not, Edwards Air Force Base in California, one of the most significant bases in the U.S. was established in 1947. Edwards Air Force Base is the home of Air Force Flight Test Center (AFFTC) and its Detachment 3 (AFFTC DET 3), operators of Area 51 in Nevada.

And something important was developing in the Middle East. In November of 1947 the United Nations ordered the partition of Palestine into a Jewish State and an Arab State, preparing the way for the establishment of the State of Israel in the following year, 1948, which led to the First Middle East War. (1947 also, by the way, was the year of the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls!!).

Also 1947 was the year when something strange was going on in the desert lands of the American Southwest…..

Oh, yes, one more highly important development that took place in 1947 that I omitted: The passing of the National Security Act in 1947 and the subsequent estabslishment of NSA.

Again, all of these events that took place in 1947 may have been pure coincidences…perhaps.

As far as what may have actually happened in the desert of New Mexico in 1947…..I am open to the hypothesis that it may have been some sort of a necessitated, man-made, “staged” event that had to be set up and which was conveniently manipulated to bring about the beginning of an “agenda” or some type of “sensitization” program for near future, orchestrated “scenarios”.

But I am also open to the hypothesis that it may have been a “staged” event created by an unknown, “ultradimensional” intelligence and intentionally made to appear as physical phenomenon (i.e., I do not believe it was an “accidental” crash but an intentional, “staged” crash) in order to bring about the beginning of an “agenda” leading to a programmed future scenario.

Would that future scenario take place in 2012? Some researchers such as David E. Flynn and Dr. Tom Horn even suggest that the alleged site of the Roswell “crash” (allegedly said to be located near the 33.33 degrees latitude – slightly NNW of Roswell) may be a placemark of time preparing us to the year 2012. They seem to suggest that the latitude of 33.33 degrees is exactly 2012 miles from the equator.

Both of these researchers seem to suggest that the “crash” was a staged event set up to lead us to the 2012 return of the “watchers” (“nephlim”, or the “fallen ones”). Could 2012 be the year of the rebirth of the Phoenix, symbolizing the first landing of the “nephlim” on Mt.Hermon (of the Phoenicians), their demise and their return in the year 2012?

Could the “nephlim” be associated with the Mesoamerican entity, Quezalcoatl (“Flying Serpent”) whom some believe will return in 2012?

Incidentally, the city of Phoenix, Arizona is also located on the 33.33 degrees latitude. The number 33 seems to be a significant occultic number, according to many researchers. I have always felt that .3333 ad infinitum is an interesting number because it is exactly the ratio of 1 to 3. I bring this up because it seems that the Bible seem to indicate that 1/3 of the entire angelic entities in the universe participated in the Luciferian rebellion and were cast from heaven, earthbound.

NUMEROLOGY OF “51″, AN ENTERTAINING THOUGHT

I have often entertained a thought in my mind……and it is stretching just a little too far, I know.
But I have often wondered if there are any specific significance to the number 51.
Why did the Department of Energy, for example, initially assign that number to the area surrounding Groom Lake? There is no Area 50 nor Area 52 listed adjacent to Area 51 in any DOE designations. Area 51 appears right next to Area 13, Area 12, Area 19. It is as though “Area 51″ just popped out of the “blue”. Is there any “occultic” symbolism in “Area 51″?

A few years ago someone gave me a diagram of the Great Pyramid of Egypt. As I looked at the diagram, something struck me when I noticed the three angles of the triangle. The bottom two angles of the pyramid were each 51 degrees 51 minutes.
The top angle of the pyramid was 76 degrees 18 minutes. (Naturally, the three angles all added up to 180 degrees, which is correct).

My imagination started running wild as I began to entertain the thought that there could be some type of “message” hidden behind these numbers.

For example, I have always heard that May 1, 1776 was the date when the so-called “Illuminati” network (often described by conspiratologists as “global elitists” network) was formed in Europe and then immediately thought to have infiltrated into the U.S., just prior to America’s Independence date.

Then I looked again at the angles of the Pyramid.
Lord, behold……when I looked at 76, the year 1776 popped into my mind. When I saw 51, immediately May 1 came into my mind. When I saw 18, immediately three sixes (6 + 6 + 6) came into my mind. What an entertaining and interesting thought, I said to myself!

Then when I first saw an advertizement for composite materials (for Stealth Technology) on Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine in October of 1988, I was again entertained by the “coincidence” that the advertizement appeared exactly on Page 51 of that magazine and it even showed a full, color portrait of a gray “alien”!
As everyone knows by now, the first generation of Stealth Technology developed at Area 51 in Nevada.

And just recently, as we pursued the latest incident that took place on Groom Lake Road on June 6, 2001 (referring to an incident involving a Lincoln County commissioner who was also employed at Area 51) “Man fined for creating hazard at Area 51 rally” http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2001/Jun-22-Fri-2001/news/16380317.html

- at that time I was still very much into conspiracy theories), I was shocked to realize that the Lincoln County Sheriff’s phone number ended in 5151. (775-962-5151).

Of course, this is not too surprising when one considers the fact that the Air Force had in the past given an annual grant of $65,000 to Lincoln County Sheriff Department for overtime and other expenses when they were called in by Security Control at Area 51 to the dirt roads on Public Land to question curiosity seekers driving around the area….the financial records of which are available in Lincoln County Court.

So yesterday (June 13, 2001), just for curiosity, we called the Lincoln County Sheriff Department and asked them since when did the Department have that telephone number. “It has always been this number”, said Officer Anna Marie Trousdale. We then jokingly told her that we don’t believe it is a coincidence that the telephone number ends in 5151. Then Officer Trousdale replied, “We don’t think it is a coincidence either”.

P.S. I also noticed a couple of more things. 51% is considered to be the majority in voting. 51 = Majority? (Operation Majority? MAJI? MAJIC? MAJ? MJ?)
The tragedy (the burning) that took place in Waco occurred on the 51st day of the Waco seige!!
O.K. So much for my imagination running wild!! LOL!!

And now, back to Norio Hayakawa’s main website:
http://www.myspace.com/noriohayakawa

For a good explanation of what the Mayan calendar and its end may mean, check out “Timeline to 2012″ on google video. The end of the Mayan calendar coincides with the alignment of our solar system with the galactic center. If nothing else this fact is remarkable because the Maya either had a record of astronomical observation going back 26,000 years or they were capable of much higher mathematics than ancient civilizations are generally credited for.

There are real changes going on not only on our own planet but on every body in the solar system; it may be speculated that this is due to some kind of increased energy as alignment with the galactic center nears. This seems to me to be the most plausible scientific explanation for some kind of planet-wide catastrophe. Humans have witnessed this event in the ancient past and it’s very likely the flood “myths” found in nearly every culture are actually a record of what happened the last time this alignment occured.

This particular documentary, on the other hand, is just more silly fluff from the History Channel. The content of their programming sure has gone downhill in the last couple of years.

I find all of this ridicules, we have always had wars, we have always had dark days, I live in the USA but I am sure the familys from countrys who suffer daily think they have always been in dark days. I don’t doubt that we will see some changes. The web-bot that can predict the future takes information from the web lol and puts it all together, come on no one will know when our day is done.. If this was the case the Bible would of made it clear.

My view of the Mayan calendar is that it doesn’t end – it just resets. I.e it will have just gone full circle.

over a span of about 15 years i have been able to decode some of the bibles statements,i have been able to do it because i understand this writtings are symbolic and they should not be taken literally.Many people have pointed to certain times as the end but it has come to pass.Christians who take their bible literally do not even the essence of christianity,theyve never got the message of their master whom they claim to follow.
Back to “End” most people have failed to understand that their is no line to show the evolution of the conciousness,even with development of human behaviour eg lets take how a child grows while a stage like becoming a young man the characters of teenager disappear slowly at the same time adulthood thinking developes.Most people think that adam and eve story is literally true hence they expect the literally end.All this is caused by feeling of hopelessness and fear because they have refused to accept that that Man is the master of his destination.And unless Man accept this he will be controlled by politicians and religious leaders.Listen to Bob Marleys song “Get up Stand up for your rights”

@ jenni:

Do not worry your pretty little head, there will not! be any end of anything, in 2012. The world will not end!!

You do not have to fear about anything, just go on with your life.

Do not listen to the doomsayers. A lot of people are making money from this end of the world garbage. All it is, is a scam. A ripoff.

I have looked at the scientific perspectives on this, Science says
there will not! be an end to anything on 2012, period!

@ Eric Howe:

Come one, do better than just a wordplay.

Nonsensical verbage.

I’m not going to get into debating with anyone who’s posted comments, and this post is only to recommend viewing the episode from Jesse Ventura’s Conspiracy Theory team, the TruTV Conspiracy Theory episode on 2012 doomsday. The episode is about doomsday 2012 and what some U.S. citizens and the government, of the USA, have been doing to prepare for … DDay 2012. It’s easy to find the set of clips for this show or episode posted at Youtube by simply going to Youtube and using “Conspiracy Theory”, Ventura and 2012 for search terms.

People who view that and don’t believe what the CT team reports is really happening will complain about this being more non-truths, while some people might get a little scared or worried, and the rest can at least get some entertainment out of learning what some U.S. citizens and the U.S. government have been doing with their construction of serious and major underground bunkers, some of which the CT team provides inside views of.

If I’m going to spend any time viewing DDay 2012 videos, then this episode from the CT team needs to be included. And I’m not worried about doomsday happening in Dec. 2012, for if it does, then I won’t be living long enough to suffer, and if it doesn’t happen, then the … usual will just continue.

Yavanna ,

Don’t knock the investigative report of the Ventura team until you’ve viewed it, and if you still feel like childishly knocking it after you’ve viewed it, childishly because you post unsupported defamatory words against him, then take it up with someone else. I don’t support people who accuse or defame others without supporting evidence.

Your discriminatory attitude about people with French names and your inability to respond, after also first posting, unintelligently tells me all I need to know about you. And, worse, your proposed quoted text for searching Google for articles saying Jesse Ventura [is] CIA, iow, a member of it, or at least working with and for it, turns UP ZILCH for the first page of links returned by the search and I won’t bother checking pages 2-nnnn.

You clearly can’t support your accusations against him.

Have you ever noticed that when religious people talk about the future they give a very depressing picture!This kind people we call them pessimists,thats why i said they’ve never known the message of their masters,they dont even have a rough idea what jesus ever preached,on the other hand we the atheist see a bright future,we acknowledge the challenges.The great Nelson Mandela fell out with his first wife a jehova witness who believed that people should not fight for their rights but wait for God to take action.Mandela could not stand that nonsence and they ended up divorsing.
Mandela the atheist believeved that there is something good with every human being and with that moral convition he was able to lead the fight against apartheid a system that had dihumanised both the oppressed and the oppressor,incidentaly the people who created this in humanity believed that God created white people superior to any other race.They read some verses in the bible that supported their beliefs,it was not transgression of law of God but support from the same God.

@ Triad:

No hate message from me.(LOL). I think the scientific boys are with you, on this one.

“Triad
February 18th, 2010 at 17:04

So Funny!!!
If you really believed the world Is going to end….

In less than 2 years!!!!
Why are you wasting your time chatting to obvious unintelligent people on this site???”

If that’s in reference to my post, then you’re evidently lacking education, as well; for I certainly never said that I believe the world is going to end in 2012 or any other year. I did say, however, that if the world ends in 2012, then it won’t matter, for I won’t be around long enough to care, anyway. If I had money to construct an underground bunker, then I’d prefer to start an organic vegetable and spice farm, go canoe tripping, etc., instead.

People constructing underground bunkers in the U.S., the civilians doing this (according to the investigative report of the Jesse Ventura team), seem to believe that the world or most (much anyway) of it is going to end, but I think they’re also constructing these facilities for the reason of being prepared just [in case] major catastrophe does happen; instead of strictly believing the world is going to end. Maybe they do have the latter belief, but I have no proof that they do.

Anyway, it’s their money and if they want underground bunkers, then it’s their business. The rest of us are allowed to find this funny and I do, a little, but really don’t have time to give this much thought when this world has many critical issues that need everyone’s careful attention. A little humour now and then doesn’t hurt though.

You are hilarious!

Hope you didn’t spend too much time on that diatribe! OK shag it – You`ve touched on something close to my heart. I hadn’t considered it before in this “discussion” (I`d prefer to call it a mongoloid dialogue – with you in any case) but yes I admit I am deeply racist against the French. Cheese eating smelly surrender monkeys the lot of emmm! You have found me out!

So now I`m uneducated! Bah I wont bite – you are very boring to talk to. I could list mu academic quals but you wont believe them either. Have fun watching your cartoons!

Adieu frog breath :P

PS “credible” – look it up Mademoiselle Michelle!

Yavanna,

You’re someone who clearly likes to psychologically masturbate and do it in public, to boot. You love flattering your little ego and can’t say anything [intelligent], which requires much more than grammar skills.

M***** clearly are your preference for only they can’t dialogue without the use of name-calling.

I wouldn’t do your homework and you blame me. That’s a real example of being LAZY. And since you lazily accuse others in defamatory manners without being able to provide direct support for your claims, you’re clearly not someone who deserves respect except from other m***** who also like to flatter their little egos in public in masturbatory ways.

Propaganda is your game.

@ Mike

You presume that my comment was directed directly at you.
My comment was aimed at the guy who said the following..

Eric
Nonsense, there will be an end, “the world will end in 2012? doomsaying in 2012; or perhaps that won’t happen until 2013.

Just sounds so funny!
I may have picked the ‘unintelligent’ part from your post or crossed my wires somewhere!
No harm Intended.

If you dont believe It will happen then you are not Included.
Anyone that Is planning on constructing an underground bunker does not fully understand the meaning of END OF THE WORLD.. haha

And Ignore any racism you encounter!!

Triad,

Message received. No one can know when the world is going to end, or if it even will. We can theorize that humans, f.e., will surely become extinct, some day, because all or nearly all creatures before our time became extinct at some point, and due to the probability of a large comet eventually striking the Earth being likely, [eventually], when we consider decades, centuries, … as time frame. But these would at be theories, at best. It can only be fact after the fact.

Landless Peasant05/20/2010 at 01:16 Pls join the landless peasant party and help us take control of our land ! They aint making any more.

The Landless Peasant Party is a new political party representing the views and aspirations of Landless Peasants in the UK.

The UK is not our nation , we do not own it, the land of the nation is not held for our benefit nor on our behalf.
From the day we are born we are Peasants, with no right to the very essence of our nation.
Yet we are extolled to work, pay tax, fight and if necessary die to defend it.

We are liable for the debts of our nation, we are the mass of people from whom business extracts its profits.
We live in the 24 million homes on 7% of the land, unable to live by our own means.
We have little choice but to take part in economic slavery.
Our basic need for shelter must be provided by market forces supplying our homes to us for as much profit as the market can bear. These homes are not built for you to “live” in ,they are built for you to sleep in after work. They have no means to make energy, there is little or no facility to grow your food. Instead our food is flown in from around the world, manufactured on an industrial scale using the cheap labour of other Peasants in other lands. Our energy is suppllied by hugely profitable multinationals at great expense to us and the Earth. Even the supply of water makes vast profits. Our lives have been reduced to a collection of utility bills and what we do to earn money

Got through ten minutes of this “documentary”. Sensationalism is one thing, but shows that replace experts with desperate authors are another.

“InedibleHulk05/22/2010 at 11:19

Haven’t watched the show yet. Got distracted by the comment war(?) and lost track of time. I love how Corbeil starts it all, saying he’s not here to argue, and then BAM! All over everyone and everything! Classic! A+ for the comment board.”

I wasn’t “all over everyone else” and it wasn’t you i was exchanging with. That’s an elementary thing to notice, imo. And one person doesn’t represent everyone in any context. Even when everyone votes to let one person represent the group, there’ll usually or always be some differences and I always reserve the right to disagree with someone I have voted for as a representative; like with political candidates, f.e.

But my intention was only to say that people interested in the 2012 doomsday topic in any respect should check out the investigative report on video at Youtube from Jesse Ventura’s Conspiracy Theory team. If you don’t believe in 2012 doomsday, which I definitely don’t, then the Ventura team’s report can still provide a laugh, as well as making us aware of a little more “funky” things some people and the govt apparently have been doing; according to the investigation of Ventura’s team.

I don’t know and am not going to verify if that report is truthful but I wouldn’t be surprised that it is. As sick as the govts or political and military leaderships, as well as Wall Street banksters, f.e., are, I would not be surprised that the report from the Ventura team is truthful. And I’m not surprised that some civilians have been using abandoned missile silos in the ground for making doomsday shelters. There are people with all sorts of “funky” beliefs.

I don’t believe in doomsday 2012, 2013, 2020, etcetera, but still get a “kick” from learning about what believers of this are doing. It’s entertainment and much better than John Wayne.

And while I don’t believe many religious beliefs, this doesn’t lessen my anthropological sort of interests. Mayans believe 2012 will be a remaking or rebirth (whatever) of the Universe and I definitely am not a believer, but also definitely like learning about peoples; culturally, religiously, politically, etcetera (for catch-all).

It’s a totally innocent belief, so there’s nothing to make a fuss about. And it’s more pleasant to learn about this than it is to learn about and know the apocalyptically violent and criminal conduct of govts, war makers, banksters, etcetera. There’s nothing pleasant or entertaining about any of that hellbent sh*t.

Plan on watching, but maybe the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 because of a scenario like this:

Mayan1: Hey do you think we should continue the calendar past
2012?

Mayan2: Nah, I think that’s long enough…someone else will continue it after 800 years or so. Lets get some lunch.

Mayan1: okay cool, lunch sounds good. I just hope no one thinks the world is going to end in 2012…lol.

Mayan2: lol that would be funny…

Sorry it should have been the 2nd century AD/CE not the first.

Wow…pissing contests. “My conspiracy theory can beat up your conspiracy theory.” or “My deity can beat up your deity…” is what many of these comments sound like. No wonder no one can get along anymore.

@ mike corbeil and yavanna

derpy derp guys, come on! though it seems like you are easy to believe in conspiracies, i just wanted to add that it really doesn’t matter who Jesse Ventura “works” for, he is only trying to find out the truth, but i have to add that he does come off as a douche bag, and his past makes it even worse, but i like what he is trying to do!!! as for THIS documentary…wah wah wah!!! but thanks Vlatko for being two sided with your website. we all love what your doing and you definitely have THE BEST documentary site on the web!

Re. ekim07/17/2010 at 23:55

Question:

Quote: “though it seems like you are easy to believe in conspiracies”

What do you mean? Do you mean that it’s easy to believe the conspiracy theories others posted here, or that the people who posted them easily believe conspiracy theories?

Conspiracies definitely happen and this is a fact. But not all conspiracy theories are valid. Theorization is needed until the facts have been established. Investigators and scientific researchers, f.e., all use theories; develop and use, that is. If they didn’t, then there’d be no need to investigate or research anything for we’d already know everything.

Some theories are very good and truly theories. Others should be called hypotheses, at best. Some so-called theories are not only erroneous, they’re maliciously or malevolantly fabricated and planted in the public domain in order to try to discredit real researchers or investigators. And then we have conspiracy facts and non-conspiracies.

There are millions of conspiracies presently ongoing and being established; certainly if we consider the fact that conspiracies don’t have to be about doing bad, wrong or evil things, anyway. A conspiracy can be formed to oppose bad, wrong and evil things or activities, whatever.

Re. 2010, my theory is that it’ll be the year 2012 and we’re not likely to be out of the sh*t situation we’re presently in before … years beyond 2012. So 2012 will be just another bad year, but this doesn’t include the end of this world or Universe; not in my theory, anyway.

Comment:

Quote: “i just wanted to add that it really doesn’t matter who Jesse Ventura “works” for, he is only trying to find out the truth, but i have to add that he does come off as a douche bag, and his past makes it even worse, but i like what he is trying to do!!!”

Why doesn’t it matter who he works for; what if he was working for the elites who corrupt and control the govt, the war-makers, banksters, et cetera? What if he was working for elites who want to spread disinfo. in order to deceive the public?

I don’t think he’s doing anything like the above, but it does matter who a person works for, for it relates to what a person does and what the person’s morals are. If a person works for elites who are enemies of the Constitution, democracy, et cetera, then I think you might have a different view than the one you expressed.

Comment:

Quote: “as for THIS documentary…wah wah wah!!!”

For a documentary, it’s not good, but if a person is entertained by it, then there’s nothing wrong with this. It’s no worse than watching hollywood productions. Like Roger Ebert says about films that are said to supposedly be based on true stories or events, this is often false; iow, a lie to try to “sell” the movie to the public so that more people will dole out money to view films they’d otherwise ignore. That’s possibly not at all true of this 2012 documentary, but I don’t think it has more value than merely learning what some people have believed and I like learning about myths people believe in. There’s nothing wrong with that; it’s education, getting to know our world a little more than we would if we stayed ignorant of what different people believe and what they do and are willing to do based on their beliefs.

It’s no worse than a lot of education or so-called education academia provides. A lot of official US, Canadian, … history is bogus, f.e.

The report on 2012 and from the research team that Jesse Ventura heads is interesting and entertaining; at least as good as sci-fi, apocalyptic hollywood films, most of them anyway. But what they produced for investigative report is evidently of documentary quality, and viewers don’t have to believe that 2010 will be doomsday any more than today might be before the day’s over. Their report isn’t for getting people to believe 2012 will be the end of this world; it’s only to inform viewers about the fact that there are people, including among US citizens and govt officials, who evidently believe that 2012 will or might be the end of this world or much of it anyway.

Their report does not, in any way, try to even infer that we should believe 2012 will be world-ending. Jesse Ventura and members of his research team definitely do not seem to believe it and any attentive viewer of their report can [see] this.

But if people want to believe 2012 is the end of the world as we know it, then so be it. All I would say to them is that I do not believe this end-of-world stuff.

I believe that the Ventura team produced a truthful report. They surely didn’t make up what their report consists of and when they investigated HAARP, they didn’t make up any of that report either. Anyone who believes the contrary about the latter report can simply look for videos about HAARP with Nick Begich and a few other people, and feature articles at, f.e., globalresearch.ca. The Ventura team seems very honest to me and plenty of what they’ve reported is not new information; many other people who are definitely credible and respectable have reported on the same topics; perhaps with the exception of the end-of-world-2012 topic.

But the Ventura team’s investigation and report about end-of-world-2012 believers and their activities can be taken as entertainment documentary; with the exception of what the govt is doing, for that’s costing taxpayers a lot of money and if anyone should have shelter when doomsday comes for most people, then it should not be govt officials, for they’re mostly traitors, rogues, cons, charlatans and so on. Doomsday should’ve already happened for them long ago. But of course that’s to dream.

Question:

Quote: “but thanks Vlatko for being two sided with your website”.

Who’s Vlatko? I did a search of this whole page for a post by Vlatko and see some posts referring to him or her, but no posts by him or her. What’s Vlatko’s website?

just want to point out THIS WAS PRODUCED BY THE HISTORY CHANNEL. They are for our entertainment at best, extreme disinformation at worst.

Thats some imagination of what the bible claims.. satan? rapture? toothfairy perhaps? come on if your going to say something should be edited by a ‘christian’ at least it should be by a REAL christian, that believes what the bible says not what church leaders dictate to their gullible paying sheep