Earthlings

Earthlings – you’re right ppl need to be aware, personally, I was getting sick watching it and had to stop. Lost all hope for humanity. Just think when we get visited, what the visitors will think of this behavior, and what repercussions will occur because so. Just imagine substituting humans for any one of those species-it could very well happen, as far out as it may seem.

I am stunned that people are not aware of what they eat. I was raised in a small rural town where it is still common to slaughter your own animals. I was involved in meat judging in high school, and attended a agricultural college. I am very aware of where my food comes from. To be so naïve about something you put in your body 3, 4, maybe 5 times a day is shocking. I do not think it is wrong to eat meat. At least no more wrong that cutting down a tree to make toilet paper. Since I have no plans to stop eating burgers or using toilet paper, I refuse to judge those that continue to supply me. To stop eating meat because of a shocking video and continue to support a farming industry that is destroying millions of acres of land and polluting vast tracks of fresh and salt water is just as naïve. I’m sure humanity is on the verge of cheap synthetic food but until then if you want cheap accessible food for 6.8 billion mouths, animals will die and the land will be raped. Don’t act so surprised.

‘In there behaviour towards creatures, all men were Nazis’ Isaac Bashevis. Wow that quote in the documentary just hit a chord, and an unusual comparison but one i found extremely relevant.

I am personally a vegetarian, but feel that people should not be forced into becoming vegetarian but should know how their food got on the table, and thus make their own decision. This documentary was very educational, but the sad thing is that it will only be watched mostly by those who wish to watch it aka those who are either used to killing animals to which this has no effect, or vegetarians who have already seen stuff like this. The other 99% will not watch it as it depicts images they wish not to see, as they may be unwilling to admit they eat the food from the animals shown (i may be completely wrong but its my personal opinion).

This almost made me sick. What is wrong with us? I don’t understand humans.

I am very touched by the film but I honestly think there should of been a big warning for viewers. A film like this makes a big impact on people minds. I myself know its so wrong to eat meat, but God or whoever is watching us, could understand that our populations are in the billions, so it would be really hard to feed all of us with just veggies and fruits. I am not saying I promote killing animals, I was so sicken by man kind and the things he does. But we grew up to believe in this world its kill or be killed.

the way we humans, who are suppose to be intelligent beings, treat animals just sickens me. Im just so ashamed to be even the same specie as these people who commit these horrible acts. Ive been a vegetarian ever since i saw a pig being slaughtered 5 years ago and now im totally going to be a vegan. I really do hope that people would just learn to sacrifice a little part of them to make the world a better place for our fellow sentient beings.

I watched the whole movie…you couldnt pay me enough to watch it again..everything was so sad and just made me hate how people use and abuse other living things. Very bothering…and its just sicck to see how our food it produced.

I think this planet is the jumping off place of the universe. I am sick.

Kelly: I’m sure there is some basis for the film’s arguments even if the footage is older. Rarely are things either totally black or white.

KK

On February 17, 2008 the USDA announced that it was recalling 143 million pounds of meat produced at the Hallmark/Westland Meat Packing Company in Chino, California. An undercover investigator from The Humane Society of the United States caught workers at this facility using a forklift to shove “downed” animals—those who were too sick or injured to walk—onto the killing floor.
http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advocacy/2008/03/beef-recall-draft/

Despite the fact that most Americans oppose horse slaughter and state and federal trends are moving against the industry, the Montana state legislature has passed HB 418, a bill to promote the cruel practice. Not only would the bill encourage the construction of horse slaughter plants in Montana but it would severely restrict citizen action to oppose their construction. HB 418 flies in the face of American public opinion and fiscal responsibility. The bill currently sits with Governor Brian Schweitzer, who has the power to veto this bad and irresponsible legislation.

Horse slaughter is a brutal and un-American trade in which our horses – animals not raised for slaughter – suffer enormously to satisfy the whims of high-end diners in Europe and Asia. So horrid is the trade that the country’s sole remaining horse slaughter plants (all European-owned) were shut down under state law in 2007. Meanwhile, the United States Congress is considering a federal ban that would permanently end the slaughter of American horses here or abroad. The Montana legislature is out of step with current thinking and Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer must veto this bill. We need your help to make this happen.
http://www.justsaywhoa.org/

Chicken Farm Owner, Manager Face Cruelty Charges…2006
http://www.wgal.com/news/9642188/detail.html

Tyson Chicken and KFC suppliers are the poster children for animal cruelty and there are too many instances available for anyone to doubt. How many times in the past 5 years have these companies made the news for questionable treatment of chickens?

So much has come out on the horrors of puppy and cat mills in the last two years a person would have to live on another planet not to be aware of it.

Mahesh, the low class of mental psychos who use holy books to justify their cruelty and greed are all a mess of contradictions and they choose the ones that fit their need.

In the OT Jeremiah refutes what has been about animal sacrifices being ordered by a god and clearly demonstrates the “lying pens of the scribes” had been at work and was telling the people they could take their burnt sacrifices and stuff them. However, the religious lot is like the god they serve and love the sweet aroma of burning flesh floating up their nostrils. BTW Jeremiah was stoned to death for speaking out against these forgers.

“Thus says YAHWEH of hosts, the God of Israel, “Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices and eat the flesh yourselves. For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices….Now my people do not know the requirements of God. How can you say, ‘we are wise, for we have the laws of God’, when, behold, the lying pen of the scribes has worked falsely.” (Jeremiah Chapter 7 verse 21, Chapter 8 verse 7)

Eating the dead carcass of what was once a living feeling creature does not appeal to me either and after this documentary it never will.

not water buffalo, Hippo

SO Disturbing! Yuck! What’s wrong with us?! Where’s compassion and value for life?! Look what these companys are feeding the people… sick dairy cow! It’s toxic on so many levels. An animal dies in fear… the energy from that remains in the meat that you then injest into your body. No wonder cancer is an epidemic. Perhaps the cows get the last laugh! McDonalds is the devil!
Seriously, Wake up America!! If we allstop being in service to the self and start being in service to others, what a wonderful world this could be.

man made himself into a devil and believes in him

I dont see any relation between the use of animals as food / religion / god. first we go into that don’t you think so? not spiritualism, or what a particular man has done, which is must be more complex then him just wanting to eat it; Answer this first if I may say without authority, what do you mean by religion?there is organized religion, the Jews, the Muslims, the Buddhist, the Hindu, witchcraft, and personal beliefs? and where do the concepts of these beliefs derive?are they really personal? is there a difference between the higher power and what the organized religions call god? the rest you are asking supposes that i believe in some spiritual moment, and there is nothing I want to say on that, with all respect; so then where can we begin? and do you want to move to the forum?

That which is called religion Charles, wont ever fly by me;another thing Yavanna, If I may pick without disturbing, do you think its possible that, that so called human nature in the sense which seems unshakable,perhaps might be a part of why there is something which we call god? could that be so? And is it capable of change, as all things are?

Forgive me Vlatko for my many comments……

is one just trying to prove a point, caught up in the past or are we together in this questioning?you see someone who is onto something new, wants to share, cause it is very important and it is very simple to talk about something one is very clear with when one has really gone into it, put in the hard work and so the words are like sweat, effortlessly dripping;
no rush its totally up to you but please understand one thing my comments don’t exclude anyone, if things were that easy, we wouldn’t have to think, life is the toughest work;

Good doc though. If I cared more I’d probably stop eating meat too.

How did humans with such big brains come to have such small souls? we should all be ashamed of ourselves for one way or another, we contribute to this horrible cycle.

People look to far into the way others act. Not everything we as humans do has some grand and deeper meaning. We do it just because we do it. And we aren’t the only species to act cruel to one another; chimps kill and eat the offspring of other chimps, they wage war on other chimp families, and even eradicate them for territory. Dolphins will kill each other out of jealousy and kill other aquatic animals for no reason what so ever except for the sake of killing.

I agree with the strong preying on the weak or exploiting them argument the film made. But humans are NOT the only species that do this, It’s the law of nature. And in the law of nature the more fit the specimen the higher on the food chain they are, and the higher on the food chain you are the more freedom you have. This is true not only in biological terms but in social terms as well.

Quietsamurai ,what you say is in fact a true fact, & we all agree on that. We also agree that all the other beings are driven by instincts and has got no choice. But for us having this choice makes us quite different from the rest. So when we make our choices, Should we ignore the fact that our habits and desires could cause a lot of “unnecesary” sufferings to fellow earthlings.
I think ,When you say “We do it just because we do it” it takes away the purpose of us-being human. Do we have to behave like animals just because we are biologically similar ? Should we follow the nature that favors the strong and the mean more than the weak and the innocent ?. Why should we look at lions when we can look at elephants.
Quietsamurai, you say chimps kill and eat their young , but i know you are not insane to do the same. Unfortunately you have forgotten to mention the names of animals who imprison other animals for entertainment or education, animals who breaks the spirit of the others just to ride or race, animals who practice blood sports for fun. I m sure you cant find any, but i would like to remind you that there is a species in this world who not only drinks milk but also kill and eat the same being that they drink milk from.
Quietsamurai did you read an earlier post from Eric which says about a Hippo who tries to save another being from death ? No offense here Quietsamurai but Personally i think it would have been much more comforting for me to be a buffalo rather than being a shameful scum human being.

Buddhists believe that when you eat something angry, it makes you angrier. Interesting that as commercial farming methods that are as cruel as they are efficient have risen, so has the amount of violence in the world…………….

and with you Mahesh, we can relate irrefutably

good one Priscilla, the environment is a factor, but many of us accept our habits if we can say it as that, which is always a question of living, and it seems difficult for those that eat meat to kick it and one simply accepts anything easy, whether it is fast food, or the next scientist, or doctor to agree, biologically, or just pure opinion,I remember this doctor saying it is okay to eat meat sometimes, as if that really means anything; many of the scientists do all of these studies and conclude into all sorts of avenues, but those of us who don’t eat meat actually know,understand what its like, not as a speculation or popular opinion, its silly how much of scientists talk of experimenting and yet one can see what they are doing which to me is not science, but that is a whole other thing;

This is a good movie for people who haven’t opened their eyes to the the implications of our practice of using animals yet, but there is so so much more to see and learn, and it definitely doesn’t come close to ending with the way animals are raised and killed.

The main thing I would like to add to this comment page is that we, by no means, need to consume or use animals or their products for our health or in order to sustain the rest of human population. Some people on here have stated that we need meat, that it is natural and necessary for us to be consuming meat and animal products the way we are in our society today, and that in order to feed our planet’s human population we can not give up animal products. However, this is not the truth, and we should not hide behind these beliefs when facing the issues surrounding the exploitation of animals. It is not necessary to human health or survival to consume or otherwise use animals.

These are all beliefs given to us by the society we have been raised in, so I understand why so many people take them for granted as the truth, but as soon as we step back from our biases and look a little deeper we see that this is not by any means the truth.

To begin with health, when you look at human health throughout history and at present, we do not need meat or animal products to be optimally healthy and thrive. Throughout almost all human history, up until very recently, much of the human population has survived with comparatively very little to no meat in their diets. Many populations today are still primarily vegetarian (never before having had meat once, let alone three times, daily) as they almost always have been, and it is only since WWII that humans have eaten meat on the scales we see to today- and even then, only in the wealthier nations. Throughout history meat has been associated with power and luxury, and you can still see this now- only in the past few years, with their further industrialization and increased “development” towards more Western ways of life, have other nations around the world begun eating meat on a more regular basis, and the health implications of this are not hard to see. It is only the nations who’s diets rely so much on meat and other animal products who suffer heart disease, cancers, obesity, osteoporosis, and dozens of other diseases on such a huge scale- and only when other nations begin increasing their meat consumption do they see these diseases as well, and make no mistake, they do at a rapidly increasing rate.

The American Dietetic Association states that vegetarian and vegan diets are suitable for all humans at any stage of life, and it would be illogical to assume any other conclusion, seeing as it has been a diet present throughout all of human history. A balanced, healthy vegan diet has never caused health or development problems in humans but has been a diet present throughout much of human evolution, whether by choice or necessity.

In our society we have been lead to believe that vegan diets can not sustain our bodies, but this is not true. Sufficient protein, for example, is easily obtained through a balanced vegan diet, the standard meat-focused diet actually gives us much too much protein, which contributes to the very diseases that most affect our nations. Any other deficiencies a vegan diet is thought to cause are also either false or due to the way our food is now produced, not the diet, as healthy plants grown in natural, healthy soil naturally provide everything everything our bodies need, and study after study shows that vegans in fact have less than half the amount of dietary deficiencies that those who regularly consume animal products. Again, the deficiencies some vegans have are not due to the diet and would not naturally occur, they are due to nutrients being stripped and lost in the production and processing of today’s food.

When you look at human health and development beyond very recent history, you see that it would make no sense for humans not to be able to survive and be healthy on a vegan diet- we would not be here today if we couldn’t. We know that humans are just as healthy, if not healthier, on balanced vegan diets, and that eating meat on any scale larger than a few times a year or month, unless forced due to environmental restrictions, is no more natural or necessary than eating twinkies.

We do not need meat to survive in our society, we do not need meat to be healthy. Knowing that, what valid excuse to we have to exploit animals the way we do?

Moving on to the idea that in order to feed such a huge population of people we can’t be expected to do it without meat, this idea also falls to pieces when you look at the bigger picture of the world. Keeping in mind that the nations which eat meat on a such a regular basis are the relatively few wealthier ones, and most of the world’s population eats little to no meat in relation to us, we see that meat does not play a beneficial role in feeding the world’s population by any means. In fact, it does the complete opposite, and the decision of the wealthier nations to consume so many animal products is ultimately harming the world’s population and the environment we live in.

It takes 20 times as much energy to produce 1 calorie from meat as it does to produce 1 from vegetables, which means that vast amounts of food is wasted in the production of meat in exchange for very little nutritional value. More than half of the world’s crops go to feeding livestock, a third of the world’s land surface is used for raising animals for food. The practice also uses and pollutes huge amounts of the worlds water, it takes up to 100,000 liters of fresh water to produce 1 kg of meat compared to just a couple hundred to a couple thousand to produce vegetables. According to a study by the UN, the production of livestock is, on every scale from local to global, one of the main causes of environmental destruction. 80% of Amazonian deforestation has been for cattle pasture, and most of the remaining 20% for soybean crops (90% of the world’s soybeans go directly to feeding livestock.) A recent report by the WorldWatch Institute indicates that at least 51% of all human caused greenhouse gas emissions come from raising livestock. Considering there are currently 600 billion animals being raised for food around the world at this very moment, huge amounts of plants, water, and land that could be used to directly feed the world’s population are being wasted for a relatively tiny amount of nutritional value due to the dietary choices made by relatively few people. The environment is being exploited just as much as the animals to satisfy our demand for animal products, the list of issues goes on and on, in the end it is undeniable that eating meat does not aid the survival and health of the human population but rather harms it (quite significantly.) We would be much more capable of sustaining our growing population without meat, and in fact we may soon have no choice to give the habit up due to this very reason.

So when learning about the production of animal products and it’s many implications, keep in mind that the truth is it is all very unnecessary, at at this point in time definitely not a naturally unavoidable part of the food chain and life cycle. We do not have the excuse to hide behind of this being natural or necessary.

Albert Einstein has said “Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.”

Leonardo daVinci stated “The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now do the murder of men.”

Both were vegetarian, as were most significant intillectuals and geniuses throughout history. This is a lifestyle choice that has been around for as long as we could choose it, beginning with Egyptian priests and Pythagoras, and it has been advocated passionately by the very people who have built our world views, including Plato and Socrates, Charles Darwin, Jeremy Bentham, Thomas Edison, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Benjamin Franklin, Mark Twain, Immanuel Kant, C.S. Lewis, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Leo Tolstoy, Franz Kafka, and the list goes on and on. Yet even though all these figures we consider so important had this one moral plea for humanity in common, we disregard it and exploit other animals without a second thought, with the excuse that we can not avoid it or that it is somehow morally excusable to eat and exploit animals simply because we are higher on the food chain. But the truth is humans do have a choice and have the ability to understand right from wrong, be compassionate instead of cruel, and consequently people have been avoiding using animals since they had the ability to choose, and it has lead to no negative consequence.

We can, and indeed do, choose.

The world has become a savage in every way,even more complex in its technology, slaughter, and most of us are just ravaging everything else, exploiting each-other sexually and all sorts of ways which is all of the egos food, digestible or not, which is our ego that we have to care for, watch, see what it is doing throughout the days and every second of what it thinks about that, which is to be completely aware of yourself of thought in order to put to a complete end such result that is not separate from the sources external evidence, which is the same source that searches for proof every where else

A terribly powerful moving film.Indeed one that noone would care to watch, but everyone should.It is only our complicity that allows these unbelievably obscene practises to continue.Our ignorance has blinded us..and this film has the power to open peoples’eyes….

Reb & Eric, it’s quite comforting to read all your comments here. That means you souls are really paying attention. Happy New year to all of you.

The part about dairy cows is b*******. Veal cattle aren’t produced this way legally. Dehorning is absolutely necessary, have you ever seen a cow with its eye poked out? I could go on. I’ve worked in the industry for a long time, most of this is illegal, and is certainly not standard, my parents owned a slaughter plant when I grew up, and this behavior is not the norm, even 25 years ago. In short most of this is bullshit.

red rover red rover we call Achems Razor over, i enjoy reading your comments the most, please comment

it is my feeling that most of the animal cruelty in this documentary is caused by or for financial benefits, i dont think anyone would disagree with that. nothings going to change until it becomes no longer profitable

think global and eat from local community farmers

whoopi goldberg:

If you insist.

I first watched “the earthlings”. quite a long time ago from another source.
It affected me deeply by the abject cruelty of us Homo Sapiens.
Against other living sentient creatures on our small self contained spaceship we call Earth.
I think the majority of humans somehow feel divorced from animals, unless they become our pets. Then it is a different story.

Again it is usually always about money folks. Check out a short doc. here on TDF. called “Wegmans Cruelty”

When I first watched “the earthlings”. I figured that’s it! no more meat for me.
That lasted about 2 days, I believe my chemical makeup is hunter-gather’er. Need Meat!! Need Protein!! Cave Man stuff!!
Check out, (The Paleo Diet)- Google-”Loren Cordain. The Paleo Diet”

So than again I ate meat, but with reservations, and no more packaged meat of any kind

Knew friends that butcher and process there own meat, did that, helped them.
Than I at least knew where my meat came from.

Used to hunt my own game, dropped that years back, to dangerous, with all the big white hunters out there.

Kosher meat!! what a farce, as in this doc. That meat ain’t blessed!

We became what we became because of eating meat, protein to sustain us for long periods of time, other-whys we would have to eat constantly, as in Vegan. diets.

I believe there is enough room on this planet for all humans, I should say all “Earthlings” to live in some sort of harmony.

Jari:

I said Vegan. not vegetarian. Big difference!!

And than it still depends on what degree of vegetarian, again big difference!!

Depending on the type of animal (ie meat product) for each calorie you gain from eating meat – it takes between 6 and 26 calories to produce it. The apologists for meat production might consider this inefficiency when making claims that meat farming is necessary for our survival, if that is the immoralities of such cannot be grasped.

are you sure it is all about money Archems? think on that very very deeply before you answer that..
any intelligent human can learn to grow their own food, it is very deceiving to speculate on such things, when it is from a verbal idealistic point of view, im sure that your brain probably required more energy to write all of those generally preconceived notions that most of us who don’t eat meat hear, that argument is neither reasonable or logical in any sense, but entirely theoretical, or from ones own experience, one must look at the whole thing, and looking at just biology in high school, that energy which is a part of your point is something that dissipates, it is first received by a plant before digestion and moves along, it is of no particular blame to anyone that mankind neglects such fundamental things as proper nutrition, and the only way that most seem to get a small part of it is to keep eating the same way, which is also becoming more poisoned, one must stick to the point which is why one eats meat? the rest of the arguments, problems can be resolved as long as it is not from a pessimistic,conformist point of view of the world; these are very serious issues which have nothing to do with who is right or wrong, or winner or looser, in fact that kind of game moves us further from what is true, it happens in all argument in relationship and what we must understand about truth is that we can also see it in the false as long as ones mind can listen, read, without resisting or distorting or getting caught up in a game of semantics; vegetarians don’t eat just veggies,grass as this man asked me and and I’m laughing at this moment, for those of you who do call yourselves vegetarian,and for the most part it is just to point out that you don’t eat meat however it just becomes a way to classify you as a person as mankind is doing more and more and that I’m sure you know, which is a part of a bigger problem; Division, that is a whole other discussion, but for anyone serious it is not a tiresome study to take up on their own… I hope reading this no one is deprived of breathing

I tell you, to try and get those neurons working in high gear and decipher, exactly what “eric” is trying to parlay in his profusion of meaningless words by all means is no is mean feat.
It would drive anybody to drink.

Eric indeed does makes lots of sesnse in his own profound style of writing which i love reading . Those who may find them meaningless might have chosen to be living in the dark ages. But those who respect the truth may read them over and over, until its understood, cos its worth and wont be a waste.

Achems Razor: “eric’s” writing on this important issue could easily be expanded into a book. Also What you have written just above could have easily been contracted in to couple of lines, or better if not written not at all cos this space is not about eric or you or me. So we should move away.
Eric has simpmly won my respect with his level of respect to other earthlings.
peace.

Achems Razor

I know the difference between a vegan and a vegetarian. Vegans don’t have to eat continuously as you stated either.

A lot of people eat meat because they crave of the taste and they think that cows are meant to be merely a meal.

@Achems Razor –> I’m vegan and I don’t eat all the time. Some people choose to b/c there is a school of thought about eating 5 small meals throughout the day to keep your blood sugar levels within a certain range. I get plenty of protein from beans, lentils, broccoli, nuts, and many other plants. Where do you think cows get their protein? Plants.

Humans have a much different digestive system than a carnivore and we’re the only animals that have to cook our food. Here is a really funny 5 minute animation on the subject by an articulate pig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05zhL1YUd8Q

Achems Razor:
I kindly like to inform you that it’s quite not true to say that vitamin B-12 comes only from meat. It’s a proven fact that mushrooms and sea-weed contain more than enough B-12 to last a life time of a vegan as the body needs only a minuend quantity of this. Vegetarians who drink milk get more than enough of it from milk alone.

Even though we need protein and animal fat in our diet, oh and the “christians” point of view that god put the animals and the earth here for us, there is no way that i will watch this video. EVER!!! This is the only documetnary on this site that I will not watch because I can not handle animal slaughter, abuse and misuse. The question that noone seems to want to ask nor answer is if there is a better way!

Achems Razor, I do agree with you that B12 is an issue. But i wanted to let you know that there are other sources apart from meat that provides B12. Japanese fermented beans is another source that i forgot to mention.
Last year in this part of the world where i live (Australia) it was all over the news and papers about a ground breaking research done on mushrooms about its content of B12 and its bio-availability. The vegan community here got quite excited about it.
I am a plant eating milk drinker but i admire vegans as they are much less selfish than us, and they are quite brave to do so too. I v met many vegans here in victoria , they are extremely kind and loving beautiful people, regardless of their B12 level.

From what I have read, you can get SOME B12 if you don’t wash vegetables that come in contact with the ground (tubers) I don’t know many people that don’t scrub potatoes though. I have also read that seaweed once again does provide SOME. In the same literature it also stated that these sources are often not enough to provide what is needed for humans. Hands down the best source is and always will be liver. B12 is something vegetarians and especially vegans need to keep tabs on.

About Mushrooms:

New studies suggest that although mushrooms do contain small amounts of B12, they are unable to synthesize it, but just absorb tiny amounts from fecal matter in the soil.

It would take anywhere from 7 to 326 cups of mushrooms to meet the FDA.

But in my opinion the FDA is always to low to begin with. usually just the minimum.

@ whoopi goldberg:

Yes, I agree, B12 is a microbe, a bacteria.
That not only thrives in soil, but it “does” thrive in digestive tracts,
the human body does utilize B12 from the digestive tract, it is stored.

That is why most primates eat there own feces, of course this is not recommended at all be me,(LOL). The old adage, eat a “little dirt” to be healthy. This is also not recommended by me.

And it is also true, that any thing refined or cooked or jam packed with hormones will kill B12.
Milk for one, is useless, unless it is raw unpasteurized.

There is major discourse on the web about B12.

You mentioned Red Star Yeast, a lot of doctors do not recommend this
because of the fungal potential. There is also the risk of “Candida”, that is prevalent in any yeast.

@ Joe_nyc:

Hola back, long time no see!

@ Mahesh:

Have Googled Marmite and Vegimite.

Marmite has B12 and unlike Marmite, Vegimite has “no” B12. at all.

Whoopi:

This B12 thing has piqued my interest.
I have looked at a few websites.

True, some people have a hard time to assimilate B12 because of bad health and yes, bad eating habits, or other associated syndromes concerning there gastrointestinal malaise. Usually it is generally because of deficiency of B12 for a number of years. Can actually become irreversible.

B12 deficiency should not be taken lightly by anyone.

Yes there is B12 in dirt, but the thing is who wants to eat dirt?
with unwashed vegie’s, if a person eats them raw, fine. a lot of people boil, or steam.

One one web site, sea food, namely snapper, had the highest B12,
much more than liver.

I came to the conclusion that my diet is fine, a lot of salmon, some beef, eggs, after watching this doc and another short doc here on TDF called “Wegmans Cruelty” I will only eat “free range eggs” from happy chickens.(LOL). Real butter, not margarine, trans-fat free or not.

be careful that you don’t get caught up in all that analysis, all that is being said is that very little that when deriving from something else cannot be derived in other means; when it comes to meat eating what most of you mean when you say natural implies your psychological self, the psychological self can only be in relationship with its nature when there is an end to contradiction,opposition, which on this site these comments keep bringing us to conditioning, being conditioned according to any idea or way, essentially implies a way of living which is not separate from ones thought, memories, education, but we separate thought from living and there is contradiction, conflict, a cancer within oneself

Since I was on the subject of B12, beneficial bacteria, the following is in correlation with this doc.

We live in a symbiotic relationship with bacteria. Between 2 and 9 lbs
of our body weight comprises of bacteria, would fill a half gallon jug.

“You are more bacteria than you are you”

Body contains 10 times more bacterial cells than human ones. Mostly beneficial.

We are walking “Petri dishes”

Not beneficial:
48% of soda fountains of fast food restaurants contain coliform bacteria that grows in feces. 11% contain E. Coli. and about 6 others.

Ice used in the drinks of most fast food restaurants have more bacteria than toilet water.

Or try a cup of “Kopi Luwak”, or Civet coffee, 20$ for a 12 ounce cup, from Asian Cats.
Most Cats live by the creed, “Never eat where you poop”
Apparently some humans missed that memo.

Greetings, Earthlings. where do i begin. Very disturbing to watch indeed. That old dirty bastard has reared his ugly head again… “GREED” and his bucktooth cousin “Mass Production”. Make no mistake about it, this is not done because companies are so worried about feeding the masses, hell the masses are overfed. This my friends, is done for profit. And as stated in the doc, we eat way more meat than we did in the past. It’s not that we need more meat, we have way more than we need to consume. Meat in excess. But the corporations have to make more and more profit.

Although I admire this doc for shedding light on a very important issue, I have to seriously question something here. Ok, basically the premise in this doc is to stop eating meat or stop supporting the machine that causes all these atrocities on the animal species or be a vegetarian. It sounds like the doc is strongly suggesting on being a vegetarian. There is nothing wrong with that. But I ask, are plants not a living species as well? not because they dont look like us and bleed the same color blood but they are earthlings, are they not? Who will stand up for them. They are being harvested in excess all over the world. What, because they don’t closely resemble us we just dismiss them? So I ask if the doc is advocating vegeterianism. who draws the line and says well it’s ok to cut down trees and plants and mass produce the (the plant species) but it is not ok to do this for the animal species?

It may not look as gross or disturbing as an animal being slaughtered but the plant kingdom is very much alive. Dont get me wrong i am all for some radical change this is just plain wrong. And all these terms “Kosher this and Kosher that..” gimme a break. Its all baloney. There is no beautiful way to kill an animal. Some are less gruesome than others but all involve killing the animal. I grew up and was fortunate enough to witness killing animals for food. Animals that we raised by us. This was on need basis not a greed basis. It comes down to respect. If you dont respect others and your surroundings this is the result.

Another point, if man has enslaved and tortured and raped, hanged and other countless acts to his own kind for hundrds of years (slavery), it should come as no suprise as to the way animals are being treated. Man, and his uncontrollable appetite for control and power stemming from GREED is damn near an unstoppable force. It always baffles me how the few can have such a hold on the masses. Everyone agrees that this act is wrong but yet and still we go about everyday as cattle (no pun intended). The machine just keeps turning. Wake up people. Stop feeling sorry and do something. We are in the final stage. What will it take for you to mobilize and do something, anything?! Will it take for them to start tagging you and processing you like cattle? Because believe it or not it has already begun.

And to think we get angry when an animal hurts a human….in comparison of humans hurting and killing animals…it hardly happens atall

We all need sustenance; humans animals alike. To propose that plants should have rights is to say we should believe cows to be torturers because they eat grass. Someone here has lost the plot and I don’t think it is me.

“Illusion ” Good luck starving to death whilst you contemplate the atrocities a rabbit might inflict upon hay. Get a grip matey.

I can only suppose your post was a joke.

I could only watch 10 mins of this … it was extremely difficult for me to watch … it is very unfortunate that this happens and I hope in the future a better way is found … after watching this I am strongly reconsidering my view on the subject …

Yavanna, I did not post this as a joke. I take the subject matter very seriously. If you took it as a joke that is entirley up to you. I hope you get a good laugh. Someone indeed, has lost the plot…

This is crazy. Human are learning so slowly. But let be clear, Hitler was vegetarian and if he would win, animals would be free, more or less.Maybe we need something or someone again to wake up the humanity. It is not worth to live side by side with animals.

Did you read the book titled “mein kampf”?I do not favorite or in any way adore Hitler, I yust like history. Stalin was a man with no education at all. Adolf was smart, he was the best in elementary school, but because of regime he could not study further. However, in his book he described his teenage life, he was working 12-14 hours daily, and after work he always read a book. And he said people who dont read books become dead in his minds. His ideology was failure I cannot argue that, but he was an animal lover. Eventually he would convince people to world meat. What would be the thing that we could learn humanity how to live?We still need leaders, we still don’t think with our “heads.”So we need good leaders or better a new regime. Capitalism yust went further beyond extreme borders. O you mention India, in India even humans don’t live life worth to a man, and you could not expect from people they will treat with animal differently, only cows are exception.You must first take care for yourself to take car for others!It will take many centuries that we will learn how to deal and live with coexistence with other beings. We use only 2% of our brains, some people in those butcher factories even less.

Moris: As Eric has pointed you out, people become vegetarians for various reasons, some for selfish reasons (their own health) while some do it for selfless reasons, and the religious reasons. Indians dont eat the cow and the muslims dont eat the pig, Whatever the reason, i think it is all good for these poor animals. Why Hitler was a vegetarian is something that i dont know. If you say he loved animals yet ordered to kill millions including babies and children …. ? i simply cannot understand that. is it what we call pathalogically insane or something like that? No Moris we dont need leaders like that.

I think it is not so nice to insult these poor souls who work at butchers. Dont they have more balls than those meat eaters who say “No i dont kill animals ,i eat what others have killed”

eric: Ok first read book mein kamp, second read book The Rothschild Dynasty! maybe than you will understand. get some real books and start learning about European history, usa history, start connecting things.we know so little what happen before WW2, what was behind the scene. So what is difference between now-days and days of Hitler rule?I cant see it:)people in africa are dying because of lack of food, and most people in usa, europe are hawing filthy asses. we realy need a gas c hamper to see holocaust, killing people?

I advise you this book not because is autobiographical but because this (crazy)man had some good thoughts.I like to learn, i like to read.Delusional man, what are you talking, most of the authority that we live in now days is delusional do you think you live in fairy tail.WAKE UP!If i quote:the most in-slave are those who believe they are free!for most of the nations Hitler was delusional, but not for Germans. What has changed?did leaders changed ideology or they just hiding the truth, like Hitler hide holocaust to Germans?OK so if we expel ideology what than?there will be no belief in anything, can human live without ideology without belief?!Lets look in other way, how do you think that they lived Germans before they lost their war?Was this utopia?I was reading research 95% of Germans were satisfied with work,their way life, there was plenty of everything, and most of them didn’t even know for holocaust, but Hitler gave Germans what he promised(no matter how high price will be…)!I do not support war, but humanity need something that will close us together, that will live in coexistence animals and humans!The war is just one of that event that close people together(not animal). War close us together for some time, after some decades we become again same as we were in the begging.You ask the question can it be peace now?I say to you man is on earth from about 200.000 years what has changed?How many time will have to pass?what will be events that will change our minds?It is all the same, we have leaders, we have wars?Yes we got some technology advantages, but yet in one side is poverty and in other wealth.If we want to live in peace,animal coexistence we must first deal with problems in our heads, because no other race can’t do this instead of us!

it is not the proteins that are so important, there are amino acids. Meat have more quality amino-acids than plants. The point is how are we treating with animals!In the begging of humanity we kill and eat because we were hungry, and we have to kill with our own hands!now-days there are massive animal production, whose point is to get more and more money!so i can’t see any solution. We have to reform our minds globally, not only locally in one of the area. As long there will be hungry people in earth, poverty and in other side to much of wealthy, the world will be the same as we know it!

Eric, you have a fine mind!

For all those who say that we couldn’t feed the world population without meat–this is just ignorance. an acre of land dedicated to grain would produce 10x the food than an acre dedicated to livestock. And acre of fruit trees would produce 100x that! Why are we being so irresponsible? Yes, the cruelty shown in Earthlings is horrifying, but the human starvation rate is staggering. We NEED to stop eating meat so we can fee the world. The “American Dream” makes me gag. why do we need to be/have/do what the TV tells us too? Why do we think that our culture is how it’s suppose to be? Or the right way? Because we were raised that way? Come on people, wake up! Go vegan! End hunger! plant a fruit tree! Return to our natural (frugivorous) diet! Stop feeding the war machine to pay for drugs(not just prescription)/food/worthless material thing NONE of us need and would be happier without! You don’t own your possessions–they own you! Beat your addictions! Learn to be happy with enough natural food, clean water, friends, freedom and basic shelter cause that’s ALL YOU NEED! And while your at it…why not try to make sure oppressed people have those things too. Because that’s just humane. Look into permaculture. My nation is a nation of monsters.

I 100 % agree with Platoson.
Our governments lets our children participate in wars, living on the streets, hungry, sick, addicted, sold, enslaved, beaten, uneducated. These are the harsh realities of life they’re living day after day until they die.
I don’t believe if our children saw these images of cruelty, monstrous acts on animals and or on children they would be dramatized for life. These children that we see on the streets are there instinctively to protect themself against what they were living at home.
These children can handle more pain than most adults that had it good all their life. I promise you all that.
They are the only ones who can change this sick world, they are the only ones that will do and actually do everything possible to change their world they’re living in for a better one.
Children are far more courageous, strong and tough emotionally then we in the West would like to admit. We can easily demonstrate our hypocrisy when we let them get bombarded constantly with sex and violence on TV.
Think about it !

Peace !

Allan, there’s nothing cruel about the Komodo Dragons.
Cruelty is a state of mind, human cruelty comes from to much of something or and not enough of something else. I’m not going to give you my psychiatric theses, ok.

Again Allan, there’s nothing cruel in the way Komodo Dragons kill their preys. As far as extinction goes, what as disappeared ? What biology recherche are you referring to ? Komodo Dragons are not fussy eaters, they will eat anything.
Animals do not have cruelty in them. Only humans have that, being cruel gives some kind of rush or satisfaction emotionally or psychologically to humans.

Allan I’m sorry but your kinda retard. Animals eat and hunt for their survival, to fed themselves, unlike humans, we are making big factories of meat no mater how much food we actually need.We need control, money, power and enslave everything what is weaken from us!you are describing komodo dragon, he kills in similar way as snakes do!and soon you will describing here how cruel snakes are!Cruelty is not an idea it is a fact!

@Moris

and by the way, my point was to seem retarded, because when you take what this film says and apply it to something other than humans, you see how retarded the point really is, I guess people are having a hard time seeing that.

Komodo dragon cant make a war kill 1000 of human – living beings!

How are you able mixing politic with this movie in this kind of way.Your argumentation is fuzzy. You are trying to teal that those who crated this movie have also killed those animals.This is the same as you would said that news reporters, creators, were killed those who died in news.This movie will not change nothing, but it is a fact.some people are closing their eyes from reality, and those are aimed public which movie is dedicated to.hey you should watch it again i think you missed the point!

Yes my friend Allan, you are confusing, even a little contradiction in the whole. Maybe because English is not your first language and you have a little bit of difficulty in expressing the fundamentals of your views. I don’t understand the logic of your point. Please do not try to explain again. But i have to say that if you are interested in these Docs you can’t be all that bad.
Let me ask you one question dude. Hunters that club young seals in northern Canada and scalp their white fur off when they are still alive, and make no mistake, they are still alive, and that’s because it makes it easier to get off or specifically men and male kids who hit dogs with metal pipes, hammers, what have you and then throw them in a dump truck still alive mind you then burn them away from the towns. I could go on for ever but… So are these acts cruel or not, are they a natures way are they justifiable ways of killing ??? Can’t these animals be killed in a different way, by Men of course ???

Allan what didn’t you understand from my writing.you are saying nonsense all the time!please it would be better for all to not refer any post here, you are just writing nonsense.those who work in benefit of animals, and those who work for profit are using same tactic…no one understand you here and comparing komodo dragon with act of humanity… Please i dont want to insult you anymore, but don’t post anymore contradictions, because no one understand you!i’m sorry my friend I will have to end with you.

Earthlings require other earthlings to survive.
Many other carnivores play with their food while alive before killing it and eating.
It is NATURE-AL for humans to be HUNTER/gatherers. That we have evolved to be more efficient at it is an achievement, not a thing of which we should be ashamed.

I would also like to add that when it comes to the seal hunt issue the reason this continues is because the seal population is still on the increase. These seals eat the ever defleated cod fish population on the eastern part of Canada. This region of Canada is heavily dependant on fishing for sustainable econmics.

Also I find it funny that you mentioned seals, becasuse it may suprise you to find out, that these seals are commonly known to bite the cod, and leave them for dead. Sport fishing in a sense. Just killing them indiscrimenatly and not eating their remains.

Now as far as my opinions on animal cruelity are concerned. I find it appauling. But I think this video misrepresents it. That is why I am trying to take a stand on the other side of the veiwpoint here. While these films arn’t propaganda to the degree in which films made during the ww2 era were, they are propaganda non the less, just a more subtle version of it.

I believe that cruelty to animals is such a cut and dry issue that we do not need films like this to further it’s cause. I find the shock and scare tatics to be appauling and shameful. It’s such a powerful subject that the point can be made quite clearly without use of such propaganda. Films like this should be renouced and condemed by those who claim to care about animals.

OMG. I’m so glad I’m Vegan. Now how do I stop from having to buy meat for my family, who refuse to go vegetarian. I hate contributing to the animal cruelty of it but this is one problem I haven’t been able to solve. Tried all the meat substitues with them and they balk at it. Please email me if you have any suggestions. DESPERATE TO STOP CONTRIBUTING TO THIS INSANITY.

Sandie ssfaughnan[at]yahoo[dot]com

Radian Measure

When most people find out that they have been lied to or mislead by a certain group or government they tend to dismiss any information given to them by this group or government thereafter.

So while this film may have had a profound affect on you, it may ultimatley serve to discredit the animal rights movement as a whole. Therefore regressing much of the progress these groups are making.