Evolution of Life On Other Planets: Even the Gods Have Gods

Yes, it’s “panspermia” as far as it believes that all our DNA came from other planets, but I actually like it. Had I not a strong Christian faith, this is what I would most likely find most attractive. Much more than raw eveolution.

Question 1: Where did life come from: Outter space in the form of bacteria and viruses (thank you supernova that blew up all those lovely words so that we might live). These contained all the blueprints for “metamorphic evolution” which is not based on Darwin’s flawed theory which says that all change is random. We are products of “Inheratance,” not a radom mutation with is alwost always fatal or negative in nature for the host.

Question 2: where did life in outerspace come from? It’s eternal without a beginning, but our minds cannot phathum such a thing; get over it.

Question 3: Who is God? Not directly answered but alluded to that if there is a God, then he/she is some butt-kicking super stud alien from an older planet “seeded” bofore our own with the same materials and therefore in an advanced state of metemophasis. But, even he has a “god” somewhere more advanced than him, or her.

I didn’t want to rate this film, but I liked the Beethoven music throughout the documentary. LOL! How dramatic!

I supposed that I too believe in “eternal life” in that I believe in an eternal God from which all creation came from, but where I differ from the documentary is that God’s creation is purposeful, and this documentary states that everything is by some element of chance as to where and how and when the materials from the blown up planets in the supernova reached a sutable environment to start their metamorphasis evolution, from “inheritance” not radam mutations.

Metamorhpasis brings change brings a higher metamorphasis brings more change and so on and so on. Therefore, all life on all plantes will have similar beings as we all come from the same “seeds” from the blown up worlds of long long ago.

Clever theory; baseless, but clever!

Josken: Wow! That’s a really good questions about why the Bible and evolution can’t “co-exist,” so-to-speak! I’ve thought about just that this past week in fact.

First, let me say, this particular documentary (when you get around to seeing it) thumps pretty hard on Darwinian evolution. It says that it’s just not logical and metamorphic evolution is all planned out (by very smart DNA). They actually say “DNA is very intelligent” and they mean just that–it’s almost like the DNA is “planning” it’s next metamorphosis into who knows what majestic and fantastically advanced being we will someday become “if we don’t go extinct first.”

Aside from all that, this was my personal thought on the theory of evolution and my understanding of creation by God. Genesis 1:1 says “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” and Genesis 1:2 says “The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep . . .” depending on which translation you use.

My father is also a very good Biblical scholar, and he told me that the earth was originally cared for by Lucifer (before his rebellion and fall A.K.A. Satan). Between verses one and two, there was a vast amount of history where Satanic rebellion on Earth was suppressed resulting in destruction of the Earth. It would seem odd that God would create anything “formless and void” and then produce life on it as seen in Genesis 1:2 and following. Therefore, I believe also that something more has happened there that is not recorded as it was not necessary to know at the time Genesis was given to Moses to record.

My Two theories:

Theory 1. Earth and all the universe was made at once (including things “in process” like stars being born, living, and dying). The earth for untold ages was governed by Lucifer (not yet Satan) and during his rebellion was destroyed and was made void and formless. Adam and Eve are made at a time much much much later in Earth’s history when God “reforms” all life on earth, including man about 6 thousand years ago. My dad thinks things like dinosaurs were part of the old earth before the Adam and Eve era. I personally think that they were all part of the new Adam and Eve era as well as all things and were in the Garden of Eden also and that carbon dating and the such is very flawed in dating things from the past, giving falsely huge numbers and dates.

Theory 2: This is one I’ve thought of myself. God is eternal (standard Christian theology). God is forever and ever and ever and ever and ever into eternal time past and into eternal time future. He has no hurry to accomplish what He knows He can and will do. Perhaps God did create the universe in a “Big Bang” and allowed it to “mature” by His guidance and laws of physics and His direct supervision until the time when it was time to make Adam and Even and all “life” on earth; His “universal” apple of His eye. The earth rocks (formless and void), the sun, stars, and all the rest of the “lifeless” universe etc. may indeed be very old, but the “creation” is only about 6 thousand years old from the time of Adam and Eve. It was then that “life” was made fully formed, perfect and in its complete diversity which is decreasing (not increasing) as seen today by massive species loss, and not evolution.

Evolution is not God’s way; instant creation of life is. I tend to think that “light” and all light sources such as stars and our own sun, were created instantly “in progress” and at the perfect ages they are now in a moment’s time. Either that, or God began the process 13.5 billion years ago knowing the time when “light” would be needed on Earth for his most magnificent of creations: Adam and Eve.

Either way, Darwinian evolution is just not Biblical; in order for Adam and Eve to be the first of their kind, they had to be the first of their kind! From there, they had children etc. and the world was populated that way.

I also have a theory that Adam and Eve where created genetically perfect, and the reason why we age so quickly now is from genetic degeneration in some way. You can trace the lifespans mentioned in Genesis down from huge ages early on to “normal” ages right after the flood of Noah. Something changed. Our genetics are slowly corrupting and we are “aging” because of it. We are spiraling towards a “destruction point” but true to my nature, I know and understand and have faith that a new age is coming where there will be a new Heavens (space and all in it) and a new Earth (our planet) where death and slow destruction no longer exists (Revelation chapter 21). This will not be Eden revisited, as our understanding of life will never be as ignorant as Adam’s was ever again, but perfection of being expanded in perpetuity.

I love science; it helps us understand how God has done what He has done, and I love Him more and more with each new discovery! I think it sad and shameful when we use our immense potential for discovery to try and disprove He who loves us most and from whom all wisdom and understanding and knowledge and mystery comes. We will have all of eternity to explore and learn about our wonderful universe, for it has been created by God for Himself and for our pleasure as well. What exciting times we live in!

Nonetheless, these are just “theories” and I am content to trust that God created and breathed life into His creation just as it says He did in Genesis. I can worry about the details after I meet Him face to Face, if I have any questions left at that time.

I hope that answers a few of the deeper questions you might have. I’ve tried to have a well thought out understanding of what I believe to compliment my “faith”.

Josken,

I agree with a lot of things you said above, as I myself don’t believe that one needs a priest, or a book for that matter, to tell him/her what’s wrong and what is right. In that same spirit, I must say that I cannot agree with you in the part where you say “Having a god simplifies things. Because you have a reason not to steal, not to cheat, which godless people haven’t got”.

Why is it that I can’t agree with you on this one? It’s because what you say implies that without a god people can’t know about morality.

There is an old friend of my family, a man who declared himself his whole adult life as a communist. He believes in no god. But he is as decent, as honest and as ethical person as it goes. (My father and he always had arguments about political and other issues, as my father was an anti-communist from the deeps of his heart. But they got along extremely well.)

Hence, I’d say that what you are talking about is a social phenomenon, developed in the early human societies, that at one stage has been codified in the Bible (for example) as an already existing value, like a law for those who are to follow the faith offered (because there were always those who tried to act against the accepted values of decency and morality).

But I enjoyed your post

As i say in previous posts. I don’t want to offend your religion, nor do i say that god does not exist. I simply get really frustrated that the church has had so many scandals and still wants to portray them selfs as the defender of the poor and helpless.
That is why, if i would be a practitioner of my faith i would do it on my own instead of joining one of these institutions.

@ wtc : (hard one for me to explain): A couple of years ago i learned at school (in religion) that people have 2 or 3 ways of having a conscience, i believe. It was said there (i don’t know the exact numbers, if their were any) that if children don’t do something (stopping for a red light, grabbing a cookie from the yar,etc) their conscience kicks in because they were tought (=teach) that if their behavior is bad they will be punished. So they leave the cookie in the yar not because it is bad and it is stealing. But they do that because they know that they will get punished if they do. The latter stage is that you don’t do it because you know it is wrong. But a lot of adults (and i don’t know the numbers as stated) stay in the first way. They will not run a red light because they fear of being caught etc. I have to say it works with me that way as well. So what i tried to say was that for these people god simplifys things because if you don’t care what the moral value of something is (don’t steal etc) there isn’t really a reason not to do it. As I said i was raised a Christian, and one day i started thinking about god and doing bad things. And i realized: the only one stopping me from doing bad things is me, and if i do bad things it won’t matter unless i get caught…

@ charles: i don’t understand what you mean about the missing links and the random mutations. Evolution is just a numbers game. If you have such large populations it is just bound to happen. It is like that in the universe their are so many planets (because it is infinite) that there bound to be other planets like earth. Mutations in these large populations are rather small and it depends on the enviorment witch mutation has an advantage. This slight advantage over time get this mutation to be the norm. This of course means that some mutations will be bad and that these creatures will die. But when you look at the population evolution will make sure that the best survive.

Aren’t the darwin islands proof of his theory anyway?

Grtz

Pretty sure Darwin had no theory of evolution. He wrote on natural selection.

Natural selection has been proved many times. It is easiest seen in agriculture. Insects have become immune to many pesticides. The current generation of insects are better and stronger at resisting pesticides… but nothing else. Obviously mutation is a great benefit to any species that must adapt. These new species of insects might actually be incapable of surviving in what was once there natural environment, but it does not change the fact that the had to change to survive.

Corn is another great example of natural selection. The most fruitful corn plants had a better chance of being replanted. Corn has changed so much in the last 500 years that modern corn is incapable of surviving on its one. It must be planted and tended or it will not survive.

Both cases can easily show natural selection but also show that just because something adapts doesn’t mean that is always better.

So dna is not “smart”… it just allows organisms to be very adaptable. And although the idea(not a scientific theory) that life comes from the cosmos is an interesting notion there is plenty of organic material here on earth to start life without it be pre-packaged and sent here.

It is human nature to want to believe in greater powers then ourselves. It is comforting to think that is something greater out there. The only problem is there is no proof.

There is some pretty good evidence that “morality” is both nurture and nature. Many cultures accept suicide. In many non-western cultures to stop a suicide is immoral. That goes against most of our western nurture. I wonder if it was nature, nurture, or god that said it was a good idea to burn witches?

The problem with science is that it is more complicated then religion so religion seems like a good answer. It is easy to say that the universe started with the stars already burning.

“And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:”
“And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.”

But the bible tells us that stars were not created until after oceans, dry land, and even trees and plants.

UNKNOWN QUOTE
“If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. “

CHarles b as in bell?

There is nothing RANDOM with the evolution theory. It is survival of the fittest, not some random pop up of a wing or leg. Don’t you go to school in the US? And the “theory” is not flawed compared to the bible.
If an animal have something that makes it a bit better than hes friend, he will most of the time be the one that mates and get offspring spreading that good gene that helped him to survive and of the offspring 1 out of 3 will survive and guess what…
And if you want to see evolution in progress speed up by human control, look at your dog. Every dog is decent from wild wolves. Even a Chihuahua… by selection some properties, good or not so good for survival has been transfered to the next generation over and over. The transformation took about 2000 years. And it was not some work by creation of a god.
By the way, you don’t believe in Thor, Odin or some other ancient Nordic gods, how come? They had far more convincing stories that made them more realistic and their story of how the universe was made is almost the same as Christianity, but we can explain thunderstorms and the moon etc now so we abandoned them and every other God, except one for some people…

idk. i can’t claim to know if this is true or not, but they seem a little too sure of themselves.

i hope people don’t believe this. the last thing we need is more people believing evolution is false. it’s just not and you don’t need to be a genius to understand it either. it’s just sad that so many people are ignorant of its premises. it is common sense.

If their is a god, may he strike me down now. Nah, he won’t do it, he wouldn’t dare, that pussy.