The New American Century

hope this is not true…
but the sadest thing happend in the iraqs museums,the nation with less than 400 year history destroyed the evidence of the first great culture in the history of the world.
…and they think electing some black guy is a great achievement for the culture. someones moral compas is not working

McCarthy and communism… is a ploy to destroy local government. USSR is not in play simply because they have internal conflict with themselves… but supports other nations who go against US.

Iraq war comes from United Nation…
Chemical Ali, Gerald Bull’s missile launcher, human rights, nuke wars and others…

The Saddam Military are the one annihilated on their way home… that the Americans showed but not on Soviets pictures.

Texas… Pres. J.F. Kennedy was assassinated and has an oil tycoons believed to be behind the activities where V. Pres Johnson have a knowledge of the events, have really got hold and have rooted in the political system. Maybe they got hold of the military system as well…

This NEOCON and among other entities doesn’t know how to run the business of the Government. They only care of their pride and pockets… as Americans.

Hmnnn… a plus and minus for this documentary.

Absolutely sickening. All Americans should be ashamed; those that could stomach this documentary to it’s end.

As for the sycophantic tosspot comments above. F*** the museums, f*** your BS pseudo intellectual platitudes and f*** you all. How dare you comment on a documentary such as this with such moral superiority having clearly not watched the video. Or more’s to point understood what was reported.

I`m so angry right now I`ll say no more. Stop treating these comment sections as some sort of display for your crass morality platform / ego management. Childish hypocritical verbgage!

Awesome documentary. Everyone should watch it btw.

This is indeed a depressing video,
however its nothing new, countless instances have occurred through imperialism and wars since the Roman Empire.

The only real difference is the scope, psychological understanding and its manipulation, and more advance technology.

The Game remains the same,
Power.

Capricious

I may just as well have included British in the first line of last nights comment. We are just as bad. Your comment is great. What can WE do? I just got really angry last night watching the last bits especially; where mercenaries are shooting up civilian families in cars on the highway and zerging “numerous people on the road” in one push of a button…

By being apathetic we are just as guilty as the direct perpetrators though but I don’t have any answers, only a guilty thought that I`m glad I wasn’t born over there…

Solomon

I had watched the doc twice – back to back – before I posted last night. What now? I don’t know. Maybe some incredibly wise person will tell us how we can all help those poor people over there. We have this notion called democracy and in theory this means we could call for full withdrawal and reparations to the war zones…. Like that’s going to happen….. Maybe we should all (atheists too) convert to Islam – that would really screw up our governments.

To hell with the USA

The western civilization has far exceeded the Pharaoh,The Roman Church, the Mongols in barbarity and destruction for greed and power. Pharaoh was so bad that Qur’an mentions him by name. Yet Pharaoh was selective as to whom to kill, and did not kill women or children. Same is true with Nebuchadnezzar who did not kill women or children. But the bible oriented western civilization takes pleasure of killing everybody, destroy the land and infrastructure, life maintaining food growing fields by using depleted uranium and destruction of Mosques and Schools. Last time it was the Mongols who destroyed the Iraqi Schools and Library. This time it was USA, UK and their Allies that destroyed the Schools, Libraries and robbed the Museum.
Though very heart-aching and disgusting on the part of USA, this documentary failed to pin point the actual perpetrators behind the scene. There is no mention of UK and Israel. There is no mention of Grand Theft of USA and other European countries by the same people who were the organizers and cheer leaders of the Illegal wars. Though much damage have been inflicted in the Muslim Countries, the brainwashed western citizen are next victim of same Murderous and inverted Robin Hood and its Cabal, and I for one will say, ‘You deserve it brothers and sisters’.
because you helped your rulers by being lazy and inept to realize/understand their game of all this negative propaganda against Islam and Muslims.
Why I say this because the comment I read on this forum after the documentary. This is the only documentary where comment makers have not been that aggressive against Islam as compare to other documentary. Their aggressiveness reflects their inner hatred against Muslims that, I am sure, is due to Media distortion and misinformation. Who owns the Media? 95 % of Media is owned by Dual American/British and Israeli citizen. So in actuality the western Goyim is not the benefactors of this Barbarism, even though its their leaders who committed the atrocities.
What does Sharia say about laws of war?
You will not attack unarmed.
You will not attack women.
You will not attack children.
You will not attack the elderly.
You will not attack the places of worship.
You will not destroy fields.
You will not uproot the trees.
If enemy surrenders and wish to retreat. Help them reach their places of security, with their weapons.
If enemy wish to make peace, make peace with them, for Allah does not like transgressors.
If you take captives, offer them same food that you eat.
If a captive can teach 5 Muslims to read and write give them their freedom.
Now compare what the Muslims have faced from the bible oriented Nations in recent times and then tell me how is Christians or Judeans or Atheist superior to teaching of Islam?

As a newly converted Muslamic let me say Hardy that I find your comments offensive and yee of little faith know not the true meaning of our profit!

/faces east

*NOmNOmNomNoMNOmNOmNomNoMNOmNOmNomNoMNOmNOmNomNoM!

Not enough Mana!!!!

Murad,

Please understand the documentary was trying to take an objective stance,
I do not believe that Christianity, or Jewish nations are the problem, or that Islam is the solution.

Whatever our color, religion, beliefs whatever, we are all capable of both loving gestures, and horrendous acts of savagery.

All religions, and all holy texts, whether the Qu’ran, Bible or Torah speak of laws for the good of humanity, the very same laws that religious fanatics break to emphasize their religion over another

We must look beyond the petty divisions of religion to solve the worlds problems and realize that we all are human, all capable of horrendous crimes.

Before we can fix the world, we must fix ourselves.

@Murad, The war has nothing to do with religion. Religion is you in your congregation. This is all about leadership. The greed and corrupt leadership.

Maybe in Quran, it will tell you that the nature of the beast.. The very core of tyranny and the Devil’s joy is within the greed for power and money! You can see and observed them on any group or society.

Love that is not shared is not love but greed… Peace.

This was not the first attack on American soil.
The Canadians burned down the White House in the War of 1812.

Death to America.

The leaders of these aggressive countries are not christians.Their actions prove they are exactly the opposite to christanity.These people belong to the church of satan.What good is it to control all the money and power of the world if in the process you loose your soul.To Hell with these psycopaths…

The leadership seems recognizable now… Take what is suppose to be taken and disregard what is not needed.

I know, words are just words but it tells you of what is from what was.

@Yavanna, forgive and forget? Tell that to the victims of your proposed society and see who the sinners are. You can not serve at the same time a Master and a Mammoth… that is what I have read… It is easy to follow what evil have been done, just follow the lead of the leadership… and you’ll find out that you’ll become one of them!

Who tells who are the Jews are? Who the Christians are? Ah… the power of denials. You are just a plain idealist!

“More” you are totally right – the last bit just totally blew me away. NOT a conspiracy doc.

Solomon. I don’t know what you have read about Mammoths but yes I am an idealist. What other type of people should there be? Why not at least hope if we cannot expect a perfect civilisation where the atrocities seen in this doc wont happen?

not sure how religion came up in the comments section, maybe pointing fingers at a possible root cause? thinking one group has more right to do gods will than the other… are we still in the 13th century ? i think this particular doc may be similar to many others following the same topic and thats prolly why….its the same topic and the information available for explanation is what we all have access too and can be interpreted many different ways but the problem does exist, quite simply it is an effort to gain control of every aspect of life.

On an individual basis a person trying to gain control of his or her own life that would be ok , however this particular fkd up situation is due to corporate agendas and business incentives passed on to those in our government and to them it seems worth selling out basic human rights when they are not personally affected by the those decisions il quote some religious rhetoric for the solution ” let them die for the things they are doing go right with them ” a new generation of thought perception is emerging prepare for natural sustainability with technological advancements , detoxify ourselves eat organics get ur head out of the sand don’t fight amongst yourselves nor against those who oppress you just try to maintain and survive the transition …the end of cheap fossil fuels drawth nigh !!!

antjo

Don’t worry mate, my views are pretty well known on the site. I`m not really a Muslim; that was just a little joke with Hardy. Read my comments on the doc Muhammad – Legacy of a Prophet if you need proof of my persuasions.

Thanks for your concern though and nice post :)

@antjo……You are a LIAR. It is to be expected from the likes of you to LIE against Islam, 8 + Million massacre Muslims are not enough, that were Massacred on lies coming from Tel-Aviv, London and Washington, that you spout out more LIES and do more mass murders.
Sura 9:5 is about the Mushrikeen that had expelled the Muslims from Mecca devouring all their properties, as is done in modern days by evil Banksters, to fight only those who break their agreement with the Muslims. This sura does not mention Jews or Christians.
Sura 9:29 Is referring to those Christians and Jews that are under the protectorate of Islam, that, they shall pay tax and get equall protection. No where in Quran, it says to kill children. This female infanticide was practiced in pre-Islamic era and is still practiced in India. Muhammad (pbuh) absolutely forbade the practice and gave equall rights to women. All the children regardless where they are born are innocent. Its is the teaching of Bible to kill every man, women and children and even their cattle and uproot trees, that do not believe in their set of belief. It is still practice today. You killed untold Millions on LIES all over the world. You Kings were the drug runners and still are. The Monarch of UK and Holland still earns their money from drugs. Why do you think the English has attacked Afghanistan twice?
As far as women dying? Ask Yvonne Ridley why she converted to Islam. Of the mass reversion to Islam 2/3 of them are women. Ask them why they have reverted to Islam. Ask the people of Iraq, why their women and children died. Ask the peole of Afghanistan why their women and children are dying. Its your Judeo/Christian barbaric culture that find pleasure in killing innocent women and children.
Ask the native American who killed them. Its your Judeo/Christians ancestors that killed them. You pathetic barbaric murderer, your ancestors killed 150 Million Native Americans.
Our women have dignity and honor, and we protect them and respect them. Our women are queens and princess unlike yours that is just plain simple sex object, use them and throw them and find new object. Like the book says “To you, your Religion, to me Mine” and “You will not believe what I believe, and I would not believe what you believe”.
Islam is the Religion that believes in Justice first, regardless of your religious affiliation, a must, so every body can live their lives.
But hey keep on trying the LIES. It is to be expected from immoral people like yourself.

All hail Reb!!!!

DITTO!!!!

@Eagle Eyes

To say that these people are not true christians is to imply that your interpretation of the scripture is the true interpretation of the scripture.

A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE SYMPTOM, now the problem that is very different. “When a decision is made to cope with the symptoms of a problem, it is generally assumed that the corrective measures will solve the problem itself. They seldom do. Engineers cannot seem to get this through their heads. These countermeasures are all based on too narrow a definition of what is wrong. Human measures and countermeasures proceed from limited scientific truth and judgment. A true solution can never come about in this way.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masanobu_Fukuoka

The problem may date back to the mother of Amenhotep IV the beginning of EVE and we shall be like gods… and she built herself sociopathic positioning as mother of a god… a weak second rate choice god.

It is nice to see other sides it helps to clarify the UNWANTED to then allow you to better focus on the wanted, what you Resist will persist … real change will come from from REAL CHANGES . Zhuanghzi was right …

@Solomon

As far as water is concerned their are various methods which one can use to purify unclean water using nothing but rocks, sand and charcoal. The same goes for purifying air.

@Allan, Natural Water cycle is the purist water cleaner through the power of the sun… but it is already threatened in a term called ‘acid rain’…

The water purifier that you have mentioned would cost a lot, just like the bottled water of today…

As for the air, too many trees have been cut down already…

@allan, I am referring to the world’s ecological balance… Although here with us, in our time, we are required to plant a tree as a prerequisite to our college graduation. I don’t know about now, though.

Well, here is the worst tree cutter, Indonesia,Brazil and some few countries…

Here is the site for those other devils on the loose:
http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange2/current/lectures/deforest/deforest.html

And to include these other devils:
http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/society/waterpollution.htm

If it is not working properly, you’ll have to reconnect the separated gap.

Money is not the root of all evil, it is the devil who are used by the money… to supply the demand of the money spenders!

Solomon-Yavana-Murad-Reb-

Aren’t we behaving like human’s on a battle ground ? what happened to compassion and logic? properly, ALL religions where ones created to help people- but, people, humans, are in control of them-this is one of the mess – till -today !

Politics and War – I personally hate both of them – politics, is to me deception, control and greed – in a “chameleon” way – helping and freedom for others – it is fogging of our minds ! War, I have experienced World War 2 my self – War, a “child” of politics, is the worst of human behavior – destruction -suffering – pain – death – but, for some – Money – Greed and Control over others – Who is so blind to believe the prostitution of politics ?

I think, it would wise for every one – to think for them self ! be more understanding and accepting – no mater of their religion or believe, color or heritage – and the right to their opinions !

There are good and bad people in ALL religions, believes and races –

To idealistic ? my excuse – I am on artist – Sojourn

@Solomon

What you perceive to be religion is actually existentialism. Religion as evidence shows is much different.

Sojourn, I do not know where you get your information from but I suggest you go back to the drawing board. As far back as any religion can be traced the story of war, hate and division is the bottom line.

Someone once stated that “the first priest was a wise man who met a fool.” Even a fool should stop and consider how the so-called government leaders live like royalty on the money of the simple workers all the while claiming they are there to serve us. Worse than that the so-called holy leaders live the same way from money they extort in the name of an invisabile vindictive god. Wake up *****! We are slaves to both religion and government but you are too ****** to see it and you are a huge part of the human problem. If the masses should wake up and stop supporting these vipers, they would fall and perish like the parasites they are.

Money and greed cannot compare with the human ego. Very few are willing to admit to wrongs within their governments and religions and so it continues on and on. If the ego could be conquered all other problems would be a piece of cake.

As it was said “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.”

No one here needs your empty pious attempts at setting us straight. If you like the sound of your irritating words go stand in the shower and bellow your idiotic mantra to the walls.

You claim everyone should think for themselves yet you butt in and begin to tell everyone how to think and behave. What a hypocrite!

Achems, you tell it pal!!!!

@Reb, fools earned their shares. lol.

@Solomon

Religion and existentialism are both methods in which one finds meaning for their existence. The major difference between the two is that religion uses the book, church and religious doctrince to find the meaning.

A carpenter uses a hammer to build his house. Religion uses the book to find meaning. The difference is a carpentar does not worship the tool in which he uses. He recongizes that he is just as capable at getting the job done without the use of that one tool. And just like in carpentry, their are much better tools at ones disposal in the modern world to achieve ones goal other then through religion.

@allan

Well solomon I guess that’s just where we disagree. I don’t believe your hypothetical magnet actually has any magnetism.

Regarding this documentary, being a Muslim my position is clear. Although I do not and will never support extremist sensibilities for two reasons
1) I believe such effort to be counterproductive. America’s military presence around the world exists in order to create instability. Retaliation against America serves only to justify America’s amoral agenda to its self and all those who believe that America is the land of the free. Rather, a peaceful world will cause America a tremendous amount of problems geo politically, financially, psychologically etc.
2) Islam is concerned with living a balanced life, emphasising knowledge, logical critical analysis, compassion and a high regard for human life.
When humanity has debased its self to the realm of animalistic tendencies, death is not only an inevitable outcome of issues of self interest, death becomes customary.
I am ashamed because blood is on my hands.

To those concerned: before you make ill informed judgements about Islam consider this. As I am writing these words to be published on this website there will invariably be alternative modes of interpreting what I am expressing. This brings me to my point. The Quran ought to be understood in the context in which it was created to begin to approach comprehension. Thus, to understand what I am writing here and my motivation behind it, it may be important to know that I am and educated Black Muslim, who is anti war and pro human rights. Now this may give the reader a richer comprehension of my writing.
There are some people who interpret the Quran both literally and rigidly ignoring, the fact that the context the Quran came out of is not the world we live in today.

On the other hand, there are some who view the Quran as a multi layered wonder of meaning to be understood in the context of Islamic history and applied to life, today, moderately and intelligently striving to enrich and protected all people.
My outlook on life supports the latter.
For all those with a far reaching perspective I recommend reading: the biography of the Prophet Muhammad by Karen Armstrong who was a former nun, now an author on comparative religion. Reading this will provide and informative and intelligent history of the Prophet Muhammad’s life and the Quranic revelations.

Rashad I wrote an earlier answer to your first post but then deleted it – it seemed too aggressive. It must be my old age mellowing me out. Maybe I`m just sick of explaining to people like you there is no such things as ghosts fairies and leprechauns. It just really gets soooo tiring.

Point 1 – I will not argue that – It is a factually based argument. What the USA and my own country the UK is doing around the world can only be described as evil…. that doesn’t make the inhabitants of the USA and the UK evil…

Point 2 – ” Islam is concerned with living a balanced life, emphasising knowledge, logical critical analysis, compassion and a high regard for human life.” that’s utter ********. Perhaps if you’re male you can fit that concept into the jigsaw. Bury yourself under a personal tent for a month or a year – maybe those “objective” rationalisms will differ….”

I have met you half way here. !It’s freedom baby yeah! (Austin Powers pbuh)

Would you acknowledge in your anonymity – here you are free and at least please allow yourself a little critical thought. That perhaps you or your Imans might be wrong. There is no shame in admitting imperfections. I have yet to hear an honest Muslim…. only brainwashed ones…

Yavanna: indeed you must be omniscient, as your certainty is impressive. But looking beyond your opinions we are both motivated by what we believe, it is that in your world the tangible, material is absolute and can be easily rationalized which in fact makes it easier to apply your concept of a jigsaw whereas my world affirms, the material world though denies the ego’s effort to claim mastery of all things.

logically I can not know for certain that God exists however I can use the material world in conjunction with what I regard as divine revelations held in the Quran to develop sound, logical suppositions to inform my belief knowing that I can never be certain about what I know. Yet the superiority complex that you infer in your tone suggests that you have irrefutable evidence and also that my world is less valid than yours.

I am an open minded individual ready and eager to listen to sophisticated rebuttals, not nonsensical remedial replies that begin and end with bull****.

To those saying this isn’t a conspiracy documentary, it spends a lot of time focusing on aspects of 9/11 and plugging the alternative of government blowing them up. It talks about general government lies over the centuries, but there’s clear bias towards “9/11 truther” ideas, with 9/11 imagery repeatedly coming up (It’s the background of the topic-change screen for god sake)

It’s a bit more “archived footage, don’t trust government” than interesting facts, but it’s allright. There are a few other documentaries that cover it better, not that I can think of off the top of my head though.

Fredd, as a born and bred American who was just as brainwashed from my birth as anyone else who trusts their government and religious leaders, I must agree with most of your comments. It seems that most people prefer to stay blind and dumb and go along to get along. I don’t. Someone once stated that “even in a minority of one, the truth is still the truth”. People don’t want any part of the minority who seeks truth as they have been trained from birth to be part of one herd or another. They believe there is safety in numbers, but knowledge is power and that is what is lacking within a controlled herd. They play follow the leader and for the most part are cowards. They care more what their peers will think of them than they care for the safety of their own children or their childrens future. Part of that can also be attributed to personal greed. They fear retribution from many directions if they dare speak out or take a stand. As long as they can live the life they are accustomed to living no one is welcome to rock the boat. They fail to realize what they receive is mere crumbs compared to the slices of pie the political and religious crooks and cons receive, all on our hard earned money. The only difference in this nation and any other is the fact we have the military might, evil leaders and a land of ****** blind selfish fools.

I fear for my childrens lives and future. Most folks think of other countries who have butchered their own by the millions and say that could never happen here!!!! What a moronic attitude. This nations government has conducted all sorts of bioweapon experiments against it’s own people for decades without the knowledge of the people, much less consent. They force deadly crippling vaccines, and like the obedient dumb sheep people are, they line up and wait their turn draging helpless children along with them. These facts have been proven since the FOIA was enacted yet most people never access their right to know and willingly stay on the dunce seat.

Maybe one day, hopefully before it is too late, these imbeciles will wake the hell up and realize “we the People” way outnumber the perverted greedy mongrel parasites who now rule over us and they will stand up and take care of business. Then and only then will there be a proper cleansing.

Wishing bad things on everyone within any nation makes us all alike. There are many good and just people in this nation, but their voices are smothered and the media does what it can to make them look like fools and nutjobs. Those who really begin to pull back the curtain and expose corruption most times end up dead or harm comes to their families.

Your country, like all others, has a bit of dirt around the front door and a beam or two in your eyes. Until we all take responsibility and stop living in some dream world, history will continue to repeat itself and fingers will continue to point. Wish us total destruction if you must but I think it would be much more humane to send out a good thought for those of us who do and say what we can to wake people up. I would rather see that than the genocide of a nation.

This is a reply to yavana’s question posted on feb. 28. The question was what to do now after obtaining such knowledge. The only thing left to do is start thinking about a people’s revolt no matter how ridiculous that sounds in this day and age. Either we bring the violence down on ourselves and stop this or the violence will continue else where but still places the blood on our hands.

Arugula, Lincoln is quoted as saying “It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” In your case it would be type your empty headed clueless opinion.

I suggest you read the governments published plans ‘Program for a New American Century’, Global 2000 and also Codex Alimentarius. I highly suspect you can’t comprehend anything more difficult than the **** and Jane publications. What an imbecile.

Arugula, I also suggest you do some simple research on what a threat the Illuminati were considered to be to our Founding Fathers. This demonic group, along with their zionists cohorts in central banking were deemed the most destructive elements that this nation faced. They unfortunately lost the battle against these world powers and what we see today is the greatest and deadliest last ditch effort for these powers to gain complete and total control of the world and de-populate the undesirables. They, of course, will decide who lives, who dies and who is enslaved. Ignoring evil will not make it go away. As long as people like you prefer stupidity over knowledge there is little hope for the rest of us.

Glad to be moroccan, arab and muslim.
At least when I will have my kids -If God is willing- I shall raise them without being propelled to lie to them when they ask me about history. when my kids will ask me about history I will show them this among other things.

very informative well put together documentary and while i will agree that it brings to the fore several underlying factors such as religion i don’t think religion is the main contributing factor for the atrocities, and based on the comments it is clear that none of us are without our own degree of prejudices and mind set based primarily on socialization. having said that the thing that stands out is the fact that several groups of persons (even some Americans) were nothing but pawns and victims themselves this goes to show how far some of us are willing to go to attain power and wealth… i say just live and let live 1-LOVE-!

Mythotically written well done “Beyond Treason” is another must see doc. The defining attributes of the typical psychopath as put forward by any psychologist would point out the real impact on society starts with the evil lurking at the top.It’s ruthlessness can be hidden in the beginning by a privileged upbringing commiting their crimes with impunity.(enabled at an early age.) Later manipulating that position of trust to rise up maliciously taking advantage of momments of chaos/vulnerability/weakness, blatantly burning your world financially/emotionally/physically for nothing more than personal gradification with no empathy,remorse or thought for future consequences.It’s my opinion the “Gang of 4″ fits the profile and their delusions of grandure have back-fired all ready. Just have to arrest and prosecute for crimes against humanity and bury Halibertone in the arab desert for breach of contract.

Well, at least there is a place where you can see virtual people trying to have an open, honest and relatively rational conversation about highly sensitive topics.

Yes indeed, so sad and so tragic, and the worst part is that people is actually getting used to see this kind of human misery as a “common thing”, its so sad that many people will not no ANYTHING until their own country gets invaded and beat down to pieces, only then they will scream for justice, when they are the ones in pain.

Well I first have to introduce myself as to being new to the forums and also the many voices of the people. I feel honored to realize there is still a rational inquisitive and intelligent collective of individuals. Here is my dissertation of above said entries and in no way am i saying nor stating a superior agenda to set aflame your opinions for I respect YOUR side of the spectrum. I feel obligated to say that based on myself and only myself that this world we made is no longer sufficient. We are in desperate times and I’d be negligent in most regards by not saying we are capable of KNOWING BETTER but hardly DOING BETTER.

I’m not able to cite sources of a more refuted and acknowledged master on the issues I express. There is more important topics to address than who said what 2000 years ago or 2 years ago. My interests reside with who’s doing something about it. The next issue to embark upon is what is BETTER? With that is why is it better, and who supports your vision of this better. How will it affect me at a personal/social level.

But even now I see the questions formulating within the confines of your mind so I stop here to eagerly await your responses.

Hanzerino

Some of you are blaming all Americans for this atrocity. Wishing ill upon our heads. Please search your soul and realize you can’t blame every American for this horrible stuff. I wouldn’t blame every German for what the Nazi’s did just as I wouldn’t blame every Middle Easterner for suicide bombings on innocent people. This is a problem all good men and women must stand up to and resist and name calling, ill wishing, and damning of others will not help!

hella ulahhh.

Don’t be zo impatient
the time wii come.

Find your { LIGHT } it’s the on.
Ly your the;
SEE

Horrifying doc, like so many other big lies, corruptions and agressiveness and also on the smaller but not less effective scale of the things we do to eachother every day… these things are only possible because they are a reflection of the lies, corruption and agressiveness in ourselves…

The neo-conservative in the video states something like ‘they will have to attack us in order to survive or submit to our superior power’… if we as earthlings choose to stay blind for our own individual and communal power and to keep following like sheep… i’m afraid he’s right!

when reading the comments above i notice the shame of being a westerner, the hate and anger towards our so called leaders or the fear of not being able to do something… then follows the religious bickering… i must honestly admit that , initially, i also had all of the feelings above, rising from my stomach (exept for the religious part, ’cause i’m really past that)

but people! let’s stop wasting our precious energy on thinking in such boxed and conventionally offered ideas that only create division. the power that anyone has over you is based on your own consent… we all have the power to change the way we view ourselves and the world… to change the way we choose to act in our everyday lives and interactions with eachother…
instead of fighting against or submitting to the seemingly unvincible destructive powers, let’s just choose to respond ‘no thank you, not for me’ -as being a third possibility- and acting accordingly. let’s try to see ‘there is no spoon’(the spoon being a metaphor for the illusions we like to keep up)… wake up and step out of our ‘comfort zones’, stop living in fear, really make an effort individually to clear out and overcome our own corruption and to become more aware (like by watching some of these vids and spreading them or at least daring to talk about them as a topic worth discussing with our friends and family even if they say your crazy) and create our own independant way of life, our own ‘economy’ by simply offering eachother our services in whatever you’re good at and ‘really’ like doing (it will also make you feel happier than just receiving death-dollars for it), our own food production, cultural freedom and diversity, allow change in our lives and even room for mistakes… take back the right to use our time like we choose (away with self chosen slavery) and to refrain from the guidance of people with (obvious) destructive intentions…

it might be, no it IS hard and might take a while till the fruits of these changes can be enjoyed…

but would that be worse than to watch in fear and apathy how our world and lives are being destroyed for generations to come?… or maybe we can just go back to sleep after a good night’s discussion and pretend the next day that we didn’t know what was happening under our noses and in ourselves…to be ‘happy consumers’???

it’s my, your, our choice… certainly NOT pnac’s ;)

@moltenman

Well said and I am speaking as a sad and disappointed American who knows true history and the truth about what has been going on in this nation for many years. The sheeple have been played as fools and most of them are only concerned about ‘self’. They refuse to admit they have been had and that we do not live in a ‘godly’ nation. If we did they would get up off their ignorant arses, come out of the rotten churches and help the rest of us take back what is rightfully ours and leave the rest of the world to pursue the same happiness they want to claim instead of killing and robbing them blind.

war = war ,period

what if all media was owned by the American people.instead of 4 or 5 people.which happen to run the military companies.i wonder

@Caspricious: “What can we do? Our hands are tied; we’re surrounded by weak-minded vaginas (for lack of a better word).” Do you think the whole nation rose in revolt against Britain? I do agree that people are more weak minded today but this really makes no significant difference. In Iraq and Afghanistan the people at least still have the stones to stand up for their land. Here people grab a camera at most. People have to organize in their local communities. I will not loose my liberty before I loose my life.

fuking hell. america is fukd.

@ Eff:

Yeh! Reb was/is good, he was here, and then he is gone. He figured his IP address had somehow been compromised.

Sort of a mystery, I know nothing to do with TDF. Has to be some outside sources! Was it big brother?? Glad I’m Canadian!

Hi People
@ Ayron Aukland
@ El Hanzerino
@ Matt (from down under)
@ Pete
@ Pacha
@ Epicurean Logic
@ WTC7
@ joetmml
@ anyone else I may have missed in my hunt.

Just a REMINDER?
It’s easy to register and join in the FORUM page
I did it! So anyone is capable…this way we won’t need to
plug up the documentary page as much…
and in turn lessen Vlatkos headaches.
Cheers! See you online. Your valued input is desired by all!

@celtic warrior “If it wasn’t for whiskey, the Irish would rule the world.” If you read the old newspapers more carefully…you may notice that Georgy Bush was re-elected thanks to his Brother Jeb and the Floridians who “rigged” the election. And who says that they got the last election right?
Concerned Americans actually voted for Rocky and Bullwinkle
and also voted to get rid of Milwalkee beer and free-trade some good Canadian hooch…But Hey! You are only Irish sitting on your shamrock laurels….

@CelticWarrior
Well Done! Paddy! Had there not been a Katrina event, then Bush-ed may have snookered his way in again with his lack of compassion. However, Presidents are only puppets yanked about by the “Illuminated” Ones. As I speak, your Prez is at a G20 closed doors conference down the road, selling his wares to promote the North American Union. Security costs for this party is a $Billion-Bucks of taxpayer money along with all the other related costs foolishly spent by our government. So as you see? We also need a change of leader(s). I wish our military would come home to protect the protesters from the NWO cop-outs. PS: Glad you saw the humour from former remarks, hope that whiskey you’re sipping on is Canadian Club.

couldnt agree more with you man with no name,the rising will happen and we shall overcome…remember we the people are THE RESISTANCE.

@man with no name:..LET THE GAMES BEGIN…

@everyone

This page of comments is pretty revealing as to where everyone’s concerns lie. We shouldn’t be fighting amongst ourselves. We’re better than this. At least the people who took the time to watch this video must be open minded? Our religious/theological differences should be open to discussion but the discussion should be of self-examination. It’s impossible for us to completely understand one another at this time. We should focus instead on understanding ourselves, so that can share the things we’ve learned objectively. Wouldn’t it be easier to be happy for someone’s beliefs and revelations, if that someone was talking about his/herself? What he/she has done and should be doing? Instead of passing judgement.
(Please don’t bother me with “hypocrite” comments. i was trying to choose my words carefully. this applies to me as well.)

Anyway to comment on the video..
We all know who planned 9/11. MONEY!! Money is always responsible. The greediest always have the most.
Why Iraq? Saddam would not be a puppet. Not that he was a good man. I’ve heard bad things, though they could easily have been lies. The fact is Saddam was in control of his oil. Not that they need the oil, they just want control.
Think about the BP spill. That was ONE american offshore drill. 1/3rd of the gulf is contaminated. Does anyone know how much oil that is? This world has more than enough oil. They want control. Why? MONEY!! We might never see Iraqi oil. We already have enough. They just want to sell it at unreasonable prices.

I’m disheartened by all my neighbors and most of the population for not being able to think critically. Most of them are just brainwashed products of the american environment.

Quick question, What is to stop the US from taking control of the world tomorrow? I dont mean literaly tomorrow but to declare war on the world tomorrow. They would win for sure. if they wanted to they would win, they only way they wouldnt is if all other country united together to fight them but that aint going to happen. everyone in the world truly is fucked. If USA want something they will get it other wise they will just own you.

1 million Iraqi civilions killed. WTF?

It is such bullsh*t. They are in control of the world, they can do whatever they want, if someone wants to stand up againts them the usa will just nuke them, if countrys protest this hey lets just nuke them as well. They are the global terrorists and there is nothing, NOTHING we can do. its to late. It is such a depressing thing to say but USA owns the the world. They win.

Wouldn’t planet earth be such a better place without America? I don’t know how they have the right to call anyone terrorists; they have caused more terror to the earth and all its other inhabitants than….. than….. Well i really can’t think of a big enough analagy to use. @ the moment the American establishment (meaning; government, all security services ESSPECIALLY THE C.I.A which should stand for CREATORS of INNOCENT AGONY, the many many company’s supplying the American fighting machine with all its equipment and ammunition praying, encouraging and ordering war so to sell sell SELL, the so called scientists that STILL deny climate change, the oil company’s pressuring the government not to sign up to any meaningful emission targets, all the secret, denied, undisclosed and untruly fronted organisations that only America seems to encourage and produce on a daily basis and too many more to mention) and the American people are crying rape about BP and the current oil spill, don’t get me wrong I hate this, but 2-3 days after this disaster they were amounting up how much compensation congress and the effected people around the gulf coast should get. I’m going to finish this rant with 4 words but first ok BP have straight away agreed to pay this within reason, even though mostly the company’s used to service this pipeline and adjoining structures are AMERICAN! BHOPAL NEARLY TWENTYSIX YEARS!!!!!!
India is projected to be one of the largest and richest countries in future years, please get your own back and humanely or not cull the American establishment, please.
OK IM still on the fence over the American Public but can they really be that ******???

American,Don’t send your children to an unjust war if you do not want to cry over their dead bodies and later the loss of their souls.Look at the injustice and cowardice of these would-be soldiers.May God bless the Irakis and other defenseless target of America(this falling empire). You false leaders, you cannot escape the justice of God. I am a Christian and will stand for what’s right,not for a bunch of lies. Americans,stop violating conscience by condoning these cruelties, stand for justice before justice stands against you forever.

I recognize much of the footage from docs over the past few years. This lends credibility and cohesion, sadly, to a tale vastly different from the MSM’s foreign policy fantasy show. I’ve seen a few docs but this one moved me to tears and anger. The doublethink that’s alive and well in America is amazing; “Hearts and Minds”, “Patriot Act”, “Coalition”, “Human Rights”, “Honor”, “Bravery” … Shame.

And thus saith the Lord: They shall stand as a bright testimony against this people, at the judgment day; whereof they shall be judged, every man according to his works, whether they be good, or whether they be evil.

OMG!!!! This is terrible! I have the solution, but the Supreme Court has ruled that it’s unconstitutional (surprised?). We need PUBLICALLY FUNDED ELECTIONS. If we had publically funded elections taxpayers ( to all you “don’t raise my taxes people” it will be well worth it, considering how so much of our tax dollars are squandered by self-serving politicians)Last time I checked, 2004, it would be $4 for every man, woman, and child in America. If we THE PEOPLE, financed political campaigns there would be no proverbial pocket for the oil companies and Halliburtons to put our politicians in. Their power would lie with us, not the corporations who are giving them millions of dollars each election cycle.

Also, we have to wake up and take an active role in our government, All of the “neo-cons” mentioned have been in government for 30+ years. When are we gonna start holding politicans accountable for what they do? They have no more incentive to uphold their office than Halliburton has to spend money. No matter what they do, we keep them in office. The educations system is so bad that I’m really starting to think that they’re making sure we stay dumb enough to keep voting for them.

Also, I agree w/ one of the previous posts, the people in the film are DEFINITELY NOT CHRISTIANS. They may go to church and they may profess their faith, but they go against the teachings of the faith. The basic rule of the Bible, and the lesson that can be learned from the life of Jesus is love your neighbor as you love yourself.

God smiles as His creatures squirm and thrash to glorify their identities over His Eternal Power. God shall rebirth this system of awareness with death through fire and shall possess no qualms about doing away with all of humanity in the perfect process. God’s face shall remain still in Its radiant smile.

These young-kid soldiers ******** to killing people. It’s the whole sad system that has led us to this point. Please, world, wake up!! please!! It’s not islam, christianity, or judiasim. It is the interests of a small group of elite, who control the resources of this planet and will stop at nothing to advance their aims of securing more and more. We are all slaves!! We will always continue to be slaves unless enough of us wake up and burn this house down. Peace and love. God help us all. (oh and there is no god)

they don’t deserved to be called soldeirs. just brainwashed pawns.

just bads people, who can’t be forgiven. is what they.

Great except using Alex Jones as a source does hurt its credibility.

A very sad reality…

We as human beings can not be trusted in any position of authority without abusing it! MEDIA, POLITICIANS, SOLDIERS etc. etc. etc. ..AND PEOPLE USING THIS f****n FORUM!!! everyones in the same boat!

People will always try to muscle in there views and believes even when there not required and dont matter! ..so coming back to the documentary itself there is a chance that if not all some of this is reality and if it is, its REAL REAL SAD!.

And the footages shown are disgusting against humanity in every single fu***n way because making starving children run after a bottle of water is far from funny and O killing Innocent civilians.. naked tied people, women raped all these things have come with a war and always will, these people will repay during there current lives in some way and these people should not be aloud to live as a part of any community anywhere in the world! ..Hang them until they die.

What is War!..its fighting!

WAR takes form in many ways for example our friends earlier in this form slandering each other believes and views, this is low a level fight on a silly forum. (And they get little kicks by muscling in there little views)

!! Stop slandering each others views and believes as this is war in its self !! and if somebody can they will use your narrow mindness and hatred to create a fight!

There are people, society, groups fighting for a number of big reasons ..Power, Money, Reputation and so unfortunately simple and narrow minded civilians are doing the dirty work at different levels and in different ways.

The media is a very powerful tool that can be a very big brainwasher in its self.

Believe nothing you see and nothing you hear these days and do not ruin the love with people because of what BBC says be f***kn civil at all times with everyone.

Spread the LOVE! if everybody follows this simple policy then nobody will be fooled because you will show no weakness me not liking Americans would be a weakness because not everyone can be the same.

let the government officials now that you will not follow there soppy reasons and stories, you will not support any wars ! and they will find a legitimate way to make there fortunes.

.. it has broken my heart ..

I haven’t even watched this film yet but I feel compelled to comment on the stupidity, narrow-mindedness, and outright hate being thrown at us Americans. It’s our government that is corrupt. It’s our government that divides us. It’s our government that seeks to destroy this country. And it’s yours too. And if you don’t believe it, then you’re as brainwashed and manipulated as you think we are.

the american neo cons are failing miserably at their ” new american hellish century ” thanks to the muslims and their determination to be independent and keep their culture.

VIVA LA RESISTANCE !!

Hey freethinker was it not the American people who stood by and watched as the neo-cons stole the election for Bush, was it not you who stood by and watched as they then ripped up your constitution, was it not you who stood by and watched as they sent your army half around the world to slaughter the people of Iraq who by the way had f%&k all to do with 9/11, was it not you who stood by as they lied and lied and lied to its citizens about the reasons for that war, was it not you who stood by and watched as they then walked away with their big fat pensions after destroying your credibility around the world, the neo-con government you RE-ELECTED should all be in fu%&ing prison for the war crimes they have commuted in the past ten years in the name of keeping America safe… so don’t come on here and call people ****** and narrow minded when you haven’t even seen the damn documentary.

It is statements like yours that only reinforce peoples views of what the uneducated Americans really think and how they view themselves. Before I finish I would like to say I do understand that there are millions of Americans who despise and are sickened by what has happened in their name, lets just hope that they don’t have to see it again..

Please… there needs to be an option to rate these comments… (like YouTube or Digg)! :)

Truly an eye-opening film! <3

ok i get it now that word must be blocked,now i find it very amusing.s.t.u.p.i.d.

This docu actually made me sick. I thought I knew that
were not given al the info we would like; but this looks
worse then I expected. Esp. the last few minutes were
sickening (Iraq). If this is true, we need help!

Hi @ ron evo,

LOL means ‘Laughing Out Loud’
I’m dutch too — where about do you live?
I live near Enkhuizen.

And yes, the documentary ìs heartbreaking; at a certain point I covered my eyes — it was too much.

Have a good night.

a very well done doc. everyone should whatch it

very very sad what the world is becomming to be, what some people in power can do is monsterous, and those brain washed ignorants at the end… just plain and simple pissed me off

peace