9/11 and the British Broadcasting Conspiracy

John Bootle
September 26th, 2009 at 04:56

A wonderful piece of work especially in light of the fact that this BBC rebuttal work was a volunteer project. I have seen several American films on the subject and I was happy to see a Brit. perspective. Here in Canada (land of the apathetic) the Party line is generally toed, however, there is a quiet underground that knows the truth and is both saddened and maddened at what has resulted in a loss of freedoms and of course in the actual initial abject inhumanity of the tradgedy of itself. Thank you for your good work…..unfortunately my support can only be of the ‘moral’ variety………….John Bootle

someone who knows more
October 24th, 2009 at 06:39

A documentary by David Shayler!

Boy, this is a new low even for this website (which clearly specializes in paranoia and conjecture of the teenage angst variety).

Which David is this? The no-planes-on-9/11 mental breakdown in waiting David? The schizophrenic LSD-induced Son of Dog hippie-freak-out David? Or the cross-dressing Dolores Keane, the bewigged and long-legged doyen of joke journalism David (don’t believe me – google the idiot!)?

Quick now, which is it?

Here is the thing I really get a kick out about this deeply paranoid website – all the comments, the culture and the swagger is such that you are all part of some great “underground movement”, uniquely enlightened and alert to the reality of the world, you opine over the rest of the populations apparent naivety and blindness.

In some ways I agree with you in that. But I deem you all as being part of that swathe of the population too. Your problem is really quite simple – an inability to decipher information with the rigorous standards once demanded in the world of print journalism (like it or not, it had standards that went beyond “proving” a theory by providing a link to an already disproven news report). I know you all think that you are great dissenting investigators or some laughable crap like that. That amuses me. The only problem is – your so-called “discoveries” (as a collective bunch of groupthink cretins) can be overturned in objective terms very quickly and very succinctly.

You wouldn’t know a dissenting journalist of a true radical pedigree if one bit you on the ass. Seymour Hersh, Greg Palast, Robert Fisk and other true journalistic heros laugh at your so-called findings. But they also despair.

They despair at the narcissistic navel-gazing that goes into your efforts. When have any of you ever taken to the street to protest for a real and demonstrative tyranny, to stand up for the rights of people suffering in the real world (self-indulgent “truther” protest support group meetings don’t count!)? I will bet a very small amount of you have ever ventured out from behind your computers to do battle in the real world. And I think we all know the reason why this is, don’t we (all you lonely guys, take a bow).

True, not everything on this site is trash (there are some excellent films from my old friend John Pilger, for example). But, judging by the vast majority of comments listed below such films, the minds that pore over such fare seem incapable of distinguishing the good from the bad or the ugly.

The internet “dissent” (what a joke!) generation has thrown up a network of average intelligence middle class young men (most of you are angry guys, right?) of questionable mental and emotional, and certainly intellectual, maturity who, even at full adult age, clearly are grappling with the moral and sensory overload that most of the rest of us leave behind in adolesence. And what really cracks me up is, you guys imagine and fashion yourselves so often as intellectuals and deep thinkers!!!!! HA!

In truth, you are all just deeply confused.

So, continue with your sheep-like behaviour. Shake your heads knowingly, dismiss me as a government agent or blind patriot or whatever other term you religously-minded groupthink fools like to use and toddle off to your next online-wanking-appointment.

Continue to indulge in the flaccid, arrogant and corrupt notion that you know more than the vast majority of scientists (do you deny global warming too sheep?). Continue to insist that the dozens of witnesses who saw a plane hit the Pentagon don’t know as much as you saw in one or two dishonest and amateur “documentaries” (as compiled by spotty-faced teenage losers). Continue to imagine that your deft internet investigative abilities have unravelled the story that even the best of real journalists failed to unearth (and who, in fact, discovered ample evidence refuting your 2nd hand amateur version of events).

In time, as you grow somewhat older and mature however, a few of you will probably realise how the world really works. Not as simply as you OR ‘THEY’ imagine and wish for it to work. It is far more complicated than anything you imagine – closer to chaos than the perfect alignment of your paranoid fantasies.

p.s. The really funny thing is, every single one – again, EVERY SINGLE ONE – of you groupthink guys that I have encountered in REAL life have very quickly crumbled in debate against me (someone who employs critical thinking and personal honesty in life).

Question: how many of you pussies actually bring any of your “beliefs” up in everyday life? I bet you very few of you do. Yet, ask yourself honestly, do you also write stuff about how people should speak out over 9/11 and all that? I’ll bet you do. Cowards and hypocrites.

You can try to mock this post if you like but don’t bother. I’m not interested in your infantile bickering. I’ve bored by your groupthink and dishonesty. I’ve debated lots of you sheep plenty of times and found it easy but also tedious as, when faced with objective facts about what happened – 2 + 2 = 4 NOT 5 – you guys still insist otherwise. That’s your charm after all – an arrogant insistence that you are the awake people. That the matrix is real. That the government gives a shit about anything you have to say. That Alex Jones is anthing other than a ranting buffoon. That the truther movement is made up of concerned citizens (rather than groupthink morons of the same type that populate the fascist christian right).

You children really don’t get what’s going on, do you? You really haven’t got a clue.

Sleep now.

WTC7
October 24th, 2009 at 12:32

Hi there, someone who knows more,

As someone who has taken to the street, more than once, against the dictatorial regime in my country, and someone who has been in the street when the dictator was kicked off from his throne, I felt invited to write a few lines as a response to your indiscriminate dismissal of all of us here.

There is a lot of anger in you – you display it through the abundance of insults you throw off in lack of a more substantial argument to support what you are saying – and anger is never a sound judge. So, you obviously are in no state to pass judgements around as you clearly must first deal with the little nasty creatures in your own head. If your mom didn’t love you, there’s no need to take it on people who think differently about the world, there’s a better way – go visit a specialist.

I accidentally happen to know a bit about how the world (read: politics) really works, since it is my profession. And I am certain that there are quite a few others here who understand it’s workings. Or do you believe that you are alone in your exceptional insight into things? Hmmm, that is possible, it would surely fit into your mental profile…

Your passion about this little war of yours against the “group-thinkers” has overwhelmed you to such an extent where you are not capable of realizing that you belong to a similar group but one which stands on the other side of the spectrum. You are a group-thinker too, remember that.

And no, I don’t think that anyone who read your comment believes that you are a government agent, or a patriot of any sort for that matter, so you can sleep peacefully in that respect.

Tell us how did your first session go, I personally am eager to hear all about it. I’m sure your psychiatrist will be interested in everything you have to say.

Be well, and keep that rage under control.

Vlatko
October 24th, 2009 at 13:40

Take it easy someone who knows more (BTW, what a nice nick name). I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: The presence of this documentary on this site does not implies that I’m “for” or “against” the idea behind it.

The documentary is simply there like as many other controversial documentaries on various topics. If you don’t like it say it (like you did) but try not to insult persons or the website itself.

claretblue
December 8th, 2009 at 02:51

Okay, we’re expected to believe that on an “average” morning in New York when there’s nothing “special” happening, there are 100’s of TV cameras aimed at the Twin Towers. Yeah, sure!
Wise up, people. All the TV “footage” we’ve been allowed to see, has been proven to be fake! Any dumbass can see the mistakes in the footage, it is very amateur work after all.
And even the BBC in London reported that Building Seven had “just collapsed”, an hour BEFORE it actually did! Someone missed a page on her script!

mildearth
December 8th, 2009 at 10:29

I’m going to offer a link for “someone who knows more” to a video done by Dr. David Ray Griffin called “Let’s Get Empirical” in which he offers the facts about the many scholarly people that are involved in the “truther” movement and how the media has used the term “conspiracy” as a means to label people as if they are not worth listening to. Not that I care what you think but I am also one that does speak about my beliefs to the people around me everyday and I also march with friends and crowds with hope that we would be heard but the sad part is the corporate media doesn’t report for the people anymore and so the government can continue to ignore us.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3964499857359919664&ei=MSIbS4-IMJvqqAPsk42JBg&q=david%20ray%20griffin&hl=en#

Achems Razor
December 8th, 2009 at 16:55

mildearth:

Much appreciated for your links, I have bookmarked them and will watch them at my leisure. They look very interesting.

Reb
December 17th, 2009 at 21:04

some who knows more wrote:

“Boy, this is a new low even for this website (which clearly specializes in paranoia and conjecture of the teenage angst variety).”

Well, he just told us why he comes here so often. He has a whopper case of somekind of ‘angst’. Perhaps if we all pretended to sit at his feet and learn he could come off his medication and get a life of his own. These nutjobs never fail to show up. There has got to be a very large group home somewhere that specializes in self-worshipping delusional ‘gurus’.

Just imagine him with a big pot belly sitting at his computer in dirty underwear, unwashed hair in a filthy bug infested government housing apartment stuffing his already fat jowls with a rack of ribs and you will not be far off the mark. This poor slob has been deprived of attention his entire sad existence.

Reb
December 17th, 2009 at 22:03

Tim, I just tell it like I see it. If I looked down my nose at a website the way he claims to feel about this one I would be damned if I kept coming back again and again. He has probably been kicked off every site he has visited and we are now lucky to have his oh-so informative views…NOT.

Brent
December 21st, 2009 at 01:26

someone who knows more

Actually I think this is a girl who wrote this. Obviously she has no power at home and is mad at the male population. She must feel somehow belittled and she is taking her frustations out on this site. She wants to make herself feel good blabbering on an on how smart she is. Why would she waste her time on a site like this if she believes other wise. If I thought for a minute that what the government says is true why would I be here? I think its time for her to change her pad!

louiseiiid
January 19th, 2010 at 22:39

I must say that the quality of the moderating of someonewhomoansmore by Vlatko impresses me greatly – Well done Sir – an exquistely restrained reposte.

The trajedy of Mr Somebumwhoblowsmore is that he will probably not return and read the reactions to his bombastic diatribe.

Thanks to a gem of wisdom, which I just picked up effortlessly in this gem-field of a web-site, I now know that all violence eminates from within and is a projection of self hate. (see documentary Kymatica).

Should I be proved wrong (and I love it when that happens) and Mr Someonewithmorenoses – DOES return to the scene of his rant, this is for him…

Chill out Mr Somewhatsoretoes. Really brother – bitterness causes cancer.

tristan hillingborn iv
January 29th, 2010 at 03:50

someone who knows….ad hominem on mass.

having said this thanks for helping me choose not to watch this, you obviously didnt enjoy your time with it, i doubt i will either. keep up the pot krttlr black skit your bilious anger was a hypocritical revelation.

Yavanna
January 29th, 2010 at 11:30

Why skip this Doc on the advice of Someonewhoisacock?

Plenty of other people took value from it.