AIPAC: The Israeli Lobby

AIPAC - The Israeli LobbyThe United States supports Israel in a variety of ways. We give them all sorts of military and economic support, roughly 3 billion dollars a year. Israel, despite the fact, it is a relatively rich country, receives more foreign aid than any other other country in the world. We veto resolutions in the United Nations all the time that are critical to Israel. Is one allowed to question that reality, or is the pro-Israel lobby so strong, financially and politically, that the relationship with Israel is taboo and therefore unmentionable? And what happens to those who dare expose the unmentionable?

In March 2006 the American political scientists John Mearsheimer (University of Chicago) and Steve Walt (Harvard) published the controversial article 'The Israel Lobby and US foreign policy'. In it they state that it is not, or no longer, expedient for the US to support and protect present-day Israel. Together with the power shifts in Congress and the increasing doubts about the current Middle-East policy, this could become the fuse in the powder keg. Backlight talks to the people concerned in this 'new realism' debate.

The documentary sheds light on both parties involved in the discussion: those who wish to maintain the strong tie between the US and Israel (Neocon Richard Perle, televangelist John Hagee, and lobby organization AIPAC), and those who were critical of it and not infrequently became 'victims' of the lobby. Member of Congress Earl Hilliard from Alabama advocated a rapprochement with the Arab world and was promptly ousted by a political adversary who had the support of Aipac money. Historian Tony Judt, who tried to maintain that Israel was becoming a belligerent and intolerant ethno-state, driven by religion, found a lecture cancelled at the last minute. And Human Rights Watch director Kenneth Roth was personally attacked after he had criticised the violence Israel had used in the mini-war against Lebanon last summer.

Finally the question arises to what extend the pro-Israel lobby ultimately determines the military and political importance of Israel itself. Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson (Colin Powell's ex chief-of-staff) explains how the lobby's influence affects the decision-making structure in the White House. The lobby, Congress, the White House and Israel itself seem to have ended up in a suffocating embrace: will it ever change and how could it?Tony Judt and Richard Perle conclude by raising the crucial matters: what is the alternative? And what other friends can Israel count on?

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  1. Rip

    Why can't this problem be resolved. I'm almost sick of hearing about the gaza strip, violence, children brainwashed, holding grudges isnt' healthy. They should all just get along, stop giving them money, and teach them that they are all farkin jews anyway.... we are all jews....since we all came from the ottoman empire at some point, we all have jewish backgrounds. Why do ppl hate jews? Something some one might have done 2000 years ago? Leave them alone already, dam it.

  2. Max

    Ottoman empire wasn't Jewish.

  3. Tim

    And we didn't all come from there

  4. phil

    Nice too see somebody has America by the balls.

  5. Rodney

    I just wish that ALL lobyists would be band, but in the case of Israel: they have tons of money and they are doing to the palestinians what was done to them by the Nazis, IE: destroying houses, displacing families to take their land, taking civilian prisoners...etc, etc, etc....THIS MUST STOP...NO TO ZIONISM!!!

  6. Anti Zionist

    The ZIONISTS are brilliant! They follow their TALMUDIC LAWS but hide them behind a true Jewish faith (practiced by the Eastern Jews: That don't believe they should have a state of Israel) to get what they want, then they manipulate the #1 nation in the world to go and secure peace by fighting endless wars against their eternal enemies, for their up and coming new country. Yes the one they took from the Palestinians! The Zionists are indeed masters of disguise. They will bankrupt the US and England so they can establish their so called HOLLY LAND the new Zionist state. The distinction here must be made when referring to a true JEW, the eastern jew, for they are indeed children of Abraham and behave that way, by observing the sabbath, NOT observing the TALMUD and living a simple life style. That is the true Jew, once you learn to separate the real Jew from the ZIONIST the world we live in makes sense, therefore watch the ZIONIST for they will stop at nothing to accomplish their agenda.

  7. buck fush

    Screw Israel and US foreign policies. No matter what you do truth will prevail over evil. God protect is all.

  8. buck fush

    @anti zionist

    if you had read Talmud, it says Jews cant have a homeland. Jews are not allowed to have a homeland. But Zionists say that Jews can have a homeland going against the Talmud. Jews believe in promised land but they also believe that this promised land was taken from them when they sinned and got involved in? black magic and sorcery during and after the invasion of Babylon

  9. Rafael

    jews have orchestrated a very well thought plan, which is the gain of power (zionism) over the US and creation of Israel. WW2 has enpowered them, and no one can say anything against them (through your accusations you will be automaticaly called an antisimetist)

    Generaly speaking the States are corrupt in so many ways, that acrooss the world, wars are being fought for every type of American. Its time for Americans to form a national identity. Leave the latin, or italian or black American behind you. Differentiating yourselfs will only cause more problems..(and in your way of thinking its inevitable)

  10. Nicolas Margaritis

    The warning at the end of the documentary is very real. We have had enough death and atrocities from the region. Stop injustice and oppression, create an interest for every one to prosper and celebrate life because when people have nothing to loose but their lives they go out to kill and to be killed. If an individual reaches the conclusion that " I only have my life to loose and what kind of life is that? " then nothing can stop him becoming a suicide bomber.

  11. Hardy

    @Nicholas: Thank you. Finally someone who understands the basic problematic concerning this topic...

  12. Tyler520

    Can't your people just grow some stones and admit that you are anti Semites?

    Enough with the fake bleeding heart garbage about "injustice" and "oppression"

  13. RTY

    It is a shame that blatant anti-Semitism is tolerated on this site, and the obviously uninformed, unintelligent, and uneducated people who wrote the comments above.

    Reasonable people can differ about the optimal way to peace between Israel and the Palestinian people. Disagreement with Israel is not, per se, anti-Semitism. Unfortunately, repeating ancient lies and "blaming the Jews" or condemning "Zionism as Racism" IS anti-Semitism and people MUST condemn it as such.

  14. Uriel

    the Zionism as Racism statement was retracted from the UN over 10yrs ago, I see Ham is still trying to make themselves out like Shem as always, think the Anti-Zionists need to clean up there own backyard before they accuse anyone else, how about those Homosexuals for Palestine,thats the Arab wannabe palestinians, lets not forget the child soldiers of Islam, that is Murder #1 & Premeditated, don't see Israelis sendin there children out with suicide bomb belts, an they love to feed off americas & the worlds weaknesses to make them thier strength, an a kosher tax that doesnt really exist, by the way, the seedline of Ham is playin big time with the US, pity these fools can't see it.

  15. Norbonaut

    People here are not anti-Semites. They are anti-Zionists. And thank God, Allah, Buddah, Shiva and all the other millions gods and goddesses that the community of anti-Zionists is getting bigger bigger! Venceremos!

  16. Uriel

    You mean those propaganda statistics that flop from 1 number to another, more like one of those made up polls where the media alter the statistics, by the way i hope you enjoyed watching Satmar have there homosexual kisses with achmed nut job.
    Love the silly claims, an fear mongering of the anti-zionists, oh the jews control everythin, the news, the net, the toilet, help there even under my bed, help the zionists are rewiring my brain, sounds like Haman, an Ham, your own fears are devouring an destroying your own lives, without any Zionist doin no harm to you.
    can easily guess the majority of the new ager anti-zionists are sucked into replacement theology.heres somethin for you to meditate on....
    Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
    Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever.
    Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

  17. Rodney

    @Uriel, you just don't want to see the fact that Israel as they talk, and I can show you passage after passage in the Bible that directly say what Israel zionists are:
    In Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 Yahweh says that there are those claiming to be Jews, but are not Jews, and are liars. They are the church of Satan, the synagogue of Satan and are worshippers and followers of him.

  18. Mike

    from a historical perspective, this is more white europeans getting land cheap by stealing it from dark skinned people. The romans displaced a lot of tribes and kingdoms 2000 years ago, if we're in the business of turning the clock back shouldn't we turn France back over to the Irish? And,
    aren't Palestinians a culture with a semitic language? I'd watch who I was calling anti semitic.
    Unfortunately, Israel is only one of several countries that congress is doing more for than its own people.

  19. zeerak

    Interesting that the attack on AIPAC should come from two neo-realist scholars Mearsheimer and Walts. A bold effort on their part, and they are bearing the brunt for it.

  20. Anti-American Zionism

    Israel became the puppet of America. America are supporting Israel in a vast way because they are preparing for world. Domination.. My only comment is: STOP THEM!!!!

  21. Agha Javed Fazil

    i dont understand one thing. what is the point of gathering anti-islamic jews right in the middle of islamic states in the form of a tiny state of israel? and above all what this little state has been doing to palestine and other states around is suicidal for israel itself. i mean they have been killing palestinians for so long on everyday basis, demolishing their houses, occupying more and more of their land and building settlements their. is the world blind? especially europe and america. i mean what moral grounds do they have to support israel. and on the other hand the palestinians are not allowed to get weapons to defend themselves. they fight, most of the times with stones, and when they fight they are called terrorists. what a joke. i dont expect american and europeon public to be that blindfolded. they are smart people but blind folded. israel is being given every weapon to kill. they have latest weapons and planes and even nuclear weapons. but honestly, if we look at the situation i dont see israel survive for so long. first of all the basis of israel is wrong, second its geographical location is so dangerous for it, third its behaviour with palestinians and the states around. this is bad for the zionist minded jews. this is the program to kill them, i mean the state of israel is a plan basically against jews. the good jews are against the state of israel. but eventually israel will have to be gone. and it will also effect america both financially and morally. its time to spread the truth in america. americans are good people but they are unaware of the actuall situation.

  22. Lola

    what is sad about all of this is that once upon a time Muslims and Jews in the Middle East actually lived side by side, breaking bread and what not in harmony.. it wasnt perfect harmony but at least they weren't freakin killing each other on a day to day basis... this all escalated in the 20th century when the west decided to kick the middle east in the balls and create the state of Israel. I'm not saying Jews should not have their own land but Jews have been in the Middle east since the time of abraham and so have been the arabs... and if you believe in religion arabs and jews are siblings.. arabs are descendants if ishmail and jews descendants of Isaac.. both sons of abraham... after all that has happened to Jews in europe you would think that they would be just a tad more sensitive when dealing with the Palestinians instead of demolishing houses on a daily basis, imprisonment of any arab for any minor reason or no reason at all... but of course this isn't Judaism it's Zionism. i'm not an anti-semite i have many good Jewish friends who are in palestine fighting for Palestinians and Jews who are being persecuted alike for fighting for what is right.

  23. Anti-American Zionism: Wake up the world today!

    @Lola That is true.

    “Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.”
    — John Sheehan, S.J. (a Jesuit priest)

    Jews are humans, Christians are humans and Muslims are humans. BUT ZIONISTS ARE NOT.

  24. Lola

    @ Anti-American Zionism

    :) thank you for your comment and i agree with you 100% as well.

  25. Rodney

    ecent exposés revealing that Ethan Bronner, the New York Times Israel-Palestine bureau chief, has a son in the Israeli military have caused a storm of controversy that continues to swirl and generate further revelations.
    Many people find such a sign of family partisanship in an editor covering a foreign conflict troubling – especially given the Times’ record of Israel-centric journalism.
    Former journalist Alison Weir is executive director of If Americans Knew, which provides information and media analysis on Israel-Palestine. Her articles have appeared in the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, CounterPunch, Project Censored's series on investigative journalism, and elsewhere.
    Times management at first refused to confirm Bronner’s situation, then refused to comment on it. Finally, public outcry forced Times Public Editor Clark Hoyt to confront the problem in a February 7th column.
    After bending over backwards to praise the institution that employs him, Hoyt ultimately opined that Bronner should be re-assigned to a different sphere of reporting to avoid the “appearance” of bias. Times Editor Bill Keller declined to do so, however, instead writing a column calling Bronner’s connections to Israel valuable because they “supply a measure of sophistication about Israel and its adversaries that someone with no connections would lack.”
    If such “sophistication” is valuable, the Times’ espoused commitment to the “impartiality and neutrality of the company's newsrooms” would seem to require it to have a balancing editor equally sophisticated about Palestine and its adversary, but Keller did not address that.
    Bronner is far from alone
    As it turns out, Bronner’s ties to the Israeli military are not the rarity one might expect.

    •A previous Times bureau chief, Joel Greenberg, before he was bureau chief but after he was already publishing in the Times from Israel, actually served in the Israeli army.
    •Media pundit and Atlantic staffer Jeffrey Goldberg also served in the Israeli military; it's unclear when, how, or even if his military service ended.
    •Richard Chesnoff, who has been covering Mideast events for more than 40 years, had a son serving in the Israeli military while Chesnoff covered Israel as US News & World Report's senior foreign correspondent.
    •NPR's Linda Gradstein’s husband was an Israeli sniper and may still be in the Israeli reserves. NPR refuses to disclose whether Gradstein herself is also an Israeli citizen, as are her children and husband.
    •Mitch Weinstock, national editor for the San Diego Union-Tribune, served in the Israeli military.
    •The New York Times’ other correspondent from the region, Isabel Kershner, is an Israeli citizen. Israel has universal compulsory military service, which suggests that Kershner herself and/or family members may have military connections. The Times refuses to answer questions about whether she and/or family members have served or are currently serving in the Israeli military. Is it possible that Times Foreign Editor Susan Chira herself has such connections? The Times refuses to answer.
    •Many Associated Press writers and editors are Israeli citizens or have Israeli families. AP will not reveal how many of the journalists in its control bureau for the region currently serve in the Israeli military, how many have served in the past, and how many have family members with this connection.
    •Similarly, many TV correspondents such as Martin Fletcher have been Israeli citizens and/or have Israeli families. Do they have family connections to the Israeli military?
    •Time Magazine's bureau chief several years ago became an Israeli citizen after he had assumed his post. Does he have relatives in the military?
    •CNN's Wolf Blitzer, while not an Israeli citizen, was based in Israel for many years, wrote a book whitewashing Israeli spying on the US, and used to work for the Israel lobby in the US. None of this is divulged to CNN viewers.
    •Tikkun's editor Michael Lerner has a son who served in the Israeli military. While Lerner has been a strong critic of many Israeli policies, in an interview with Jewish Week, Lerner explains:Having a son in the Israeli army was a manifestation of my love for Israel, and I assume that having a son in the Israeli army is a manifestation of Bronner’s love of Israel."
    Lerner goes on to make a fundamental point:
    "...there is a difference in my emotional and spiritual connection to these two sides [Israelis and Palestinians]. On the one side is my family; on the other side are decent human beings. I want to support human beings all over the planet but I have a special connection to my family. I don’t deny it.”
    For a great many of the reporters and editors determining what Americans learn about Israel-Palestine, Israel is family.
    Jonathan Cook, a British journalist based in Nazareth, writes of a recent meeting with a Jerusalem based bureau chief, who explained: “... Bronner’s situation is ‘the rule, not the exception. I can think of a dozen foreign bureau chiefs, responsible for covering both Israel and the Palestinians, who have served in the Israeli army, and another dozen who like Bronner have kids in the Israeli army.”
    Cook writes that the bureau chief explained: “It is common to hear Western reporters boasting to one another about their Zionist credentials, their service in the Israeli army or the loyal service of their children.”
    Apparently, intimate ties to Israel are among the many open secrets in the region that are hidden from the American public. If, as the news media insist, these ties present no problem or even, as the Times’ Keller insists, enhance the journalists’ work, why do the news agencies consistently refuse to admit them?

  26. DanB

    I hope I'm not nitpicking, and I do love this site, but it sure would be nice to see the copyright dates on films.

  27. Waz

    Hey, the Jews started to practice Usury which is a sin in Islam, Judaism and Christianity, but they started to change the word of God and alter and corrupt scripture and said 'It's o.k as long as we only charge non-Jews interest (Usury)' And now look at the state of the world, debt ridden because they brought about interest which now everyone is practicing. The banks have ruined the world and are responsible for most of the world's poverty and crime and social unrest which has come about from the interest based aconomies.

    You can never get away from the fact that Jews see themselves as the 'chosen ones' hence no interest on Jews, their own kind, but to hell with the rest of us.

    I agree, it is the zionist Jews, but Jews generally have abandoned the Torah and the way of Prophet Moses, may God be pleased with him.

    Israel will fall, but only when the rest of the world, mainly the U.S, decide they have had enough of the Jewish leaders exploiting the holocaust and anti-semitism stance they have cleverly created. The Jews who died at the hands of the Nazis would be disgusted at the behaviour of their own people in Palastine and Gaza today.

    These banker or banksters will destroy us if we don't say no to Usury!

  28. juice

    this video dosent work .... please fix!

    thanks in advance

  29. eugler

    @ Vlatko

    what juice said (including the thanks in advance:)

  30. Vlatko

    Fixed that @juice and @eugler.

  31. Jimbo Kootenay

    read the Bible doughheads
    Gen 12:3
    Bless the Jew-Be blessed!
    Curse the Jew-Be cursed...
    Israel is America's only hope
    and God the Saviour is Jewish- His name is Jesus or correctly Jeshuah

    Salvation is of the Jews!
    ' Christ said:
    no man comes unto the Father except through me
    if you trust what God has written in the Bible- you are a Zionist!

  32. Rodney

    @Jimbo Kootenay: Are you jewish or one of those born-again fundamentalist oddballs that are called endtimmers...I think no I KNOW that if Jesus came back to earth and saw what those FALSE jews are doing to the palestinians,I think he'd be on their asses just as he was when the traders were doing business in a synagogue Don't forget what Jesus sais about the traders, pharasses and scribes..
    ***Matt 23:31-33 "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?"
    ***Matt 23:13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in."
    In Israhell they're taught the Talmud in classes, so to anyone NOT jewish we're all Goyim therefore we're animals put on earth to serve them....I DON'T THINK SO!!!!

  33. Matthew Vincent

    Gen 12:3 speaks to Abraham and not to the Jewish people. Abraham is the father of both the Jews AND the Muslims. By inserting the word "Jew" you are changing the text, its meaning. Don't forget the end of the text, that all the people of the earth will be blessed through Abraham. Something that is as much of a command (consult the original Hebrew) as it is a statement.

  34. Buknbro

    @Jimbo - Israel is America's only hope

    say what???? based on what? so far in my 47 years of life on planet Earth Ive not heard one reason why America needs Israel. NOT ONE!

  35. Justin_Funski

    The comments preceding mine are great examples of why, in the early and mid 1800's, Zionists felt they needed to establish a Jewish state outside of Europe: to get away from the hateful misunderstandings which had lead from the torture of Jews by the Church for refusal to convert to their eventual slaughter at the hands of fanatics. It is easy to confuse Judaism, Israel, Zionism, Evangelical end-timing, AIPAC, God's blessings and Antisemitism. They are all both interlinked and at the same time separate. Some look for any opportunity to criticize Israel to further hidden prejudices while others with legitimate criticisms are quickly labeled Antisemitic Jew-haters. I don't have the answer but only a few suggestions: 1) Try to avoid using the Bible to make a point about any of this. For every misquoted verse, someone will have a counter-verse. 2) Avoid sweeping generalizations: there is a lot of overlapping in this topic and one therefore has to be very specific about which aspect he is speaking of lest a broad brush paint someone accidentally leading to more offense and anger. 3) Try to get along. We all live on the same planet and none of us is a President or a Prime Minister with the power to make international decisions. Despite all our emotions and convictions, it's really all academic.

  36. theazcowboy

    Yup, they never did learn anything from their Warsaw Ghetto dayze or even their all expenses paid visits to Auschwitz, Sobibor and Dachu, huh Pilgrims?

    Maybe, a refresher course in humility and a biopsy to remove that 'Chutzpah gene' might help - but, don't count on it.

    Now living in Hog Heaven, comfortabably savaging the downtrodden Palestinians who have lived on 'their' own lands since before Jesus was kicking the Kahzarian 'money changers out of from the temples The worshippers of the Golden Calf have shown the world that they never gave up their love for gold, silver, money and JEWlrey (Read the Talmud) and this is the way things will be until the skies over the Middle East are filled with a glittering Zionist confetti cloud high up in the stratosphere showing the Palestinians that it is now 'safe to return' to their once confisctaed properties in the Holy Lands.

    Peace at last!
    Peace at last!
    'O Lord 'Peace at last!'

    Tombstone, AZ.

    Hint: Psalm 145:20 "Jehovah is guarding them that love him - The evil ones he will annihilate. (For it is written - and it will be done).'

  37. theazcowboy

    You forget that the ancient Hebrews that translated the Holy Scriptures from the Greek were a 'slick' bunch of sneaky Jews and 'found a special place for their money driven brethern' for all eternity

    you must also remember that Jehovah also brought the Holocaust to the wayward disobedient Jews because they needed to 'clean up their act,' and didn't.

  38. theazcowboy

    Now I understand why Ghandi wasn't a foolish blood soaked Christian!

  39. theazcowboy

    Amen, Bro!

  40. Rainmaker

    Nice documentary, but it failed to answer one critical question, while dancing around it the whole time: HOW COME that Israel has such strong lobbies and how come it controls the U.S. politics?!

    They spent all 50 minutes proving that Israel does have increadible influence on the U.S. politicians, but that was pretty obvious even without watching this film.

    Imagine that, say, Irland or Egypt controls the U.S. politics the same way. Virtually impossible, right!?

    The anwer is clear: very influencian people INSIDE the United States are closely connected to Israel on a VERY personal/cultural/genetic/etc. level. Also, there is no economic connection whatsoever: you cannot make any serious money with Israel. Moreover: it's a burgen and only consumes the American financial help without giving anything substantial in return. Politicians are ALL puppets and merely administrators, there is not a single person in the big politics who is trying to INDEPENDENTLY change things for the better just because it's the right thing to do. The real decision-makers are always behind the curtain, and they seem to REALLY like Israel.

    And the authors of this documnetaries simply did not have the balls to address this matter, though I'm positive they did their homework on this.

  41. G.P. de Bies

    Suicide bomb the AIPAC meetings

  42. joe31

    the zionist use the holocost to probogate there abuse and discredits it by there action they bought america and are polititions bought us out,actions speak louder then words call a spade a spade

  43. joe31

    apiac as no business controlling or influencing our government what about the constution wich sat noy to swear aliance to forieng government domestic or abroad,they represent isreal not united states..if politions bann someone because there not pro isreal policies then the all need to be put out,enough is enough

  44. reason_will_prevail

    it is appalling to see senior American politicians bow to tiny Israel and its' corrupt leaders as evidenced in Bibi speech at the house. Never seen so many senators and congressmen competing on who can suck zionist cock better and cleaner.

  45. Brad

    Amazing...when I did a search on Mearsheimer, all I could find were Jewish, Christian, conservatives, and liberals assassinating his character. Can there be NO polite discussion about the things the two co-authors wrote about?

    It seems as if the topic is completely taboo for intellectual discussion and criticism.

    No wonder why Ron Paul will never be "allowed" to win an election- the Israeli lobbyists are too powerful.

  46. jj

    can anyone tell me how any critisim of zionist are anti semetic when the are not semetic by race yet the palastians are semetic by race,who is the real anti semetic.......please some one explain,this hypocracy.

  47. Kyle Barton

    Zionism is terrorism.

  48. Geoffrey Grekin

    Simple Jewish Zionists from Israel took Lemons (Holocaust) and made Lemon-aid (anti-semetism).

  49. south paw

    Well, Israel played a big role during the cold war era. The logystical plan of a US attack on the USSR was very real. Now, today there is no reason why we should be spending so much money and loosing so many future alliances because of them. We need to face reallity and face the fact that the zionist have began a pest to us. They will start a war with some one there and they will turn against us when it's all said and done. Israel bullied too many people and now they will have to pay. We need to an example for the world and start to separate our self from that enviroment.

  50. south paw

    Some day my vote is going to count in this country...Some day!!

  51. Terry Beaton

    Is somebody copying this statement and filing it right now?

  52. bumpercrop

    Informative information about the influence of the Jewish American lobby
    (AIPEC) and foreign policy.

  53. bumpercrop

    Just one more valid example of why religion is destructive.

  54. James Snook

    This is anti-semetic...but also true. However, can you really blame them for using their intelligence, money & influence to gain an advantage?That is their right after all, in a free society. They just play the game smarter than the Palestinians. Instead of getting expelled for fighting, they made friends with the biggest kid in school.

  55. Erin Anderson

    How does IAPAC control the government? The answer is the Federal Reserve. The Fed is a private bank which controls the flow of money and is holding our country hostage. Those who control the purse controls our government.

  56. solitairecat64

    Unfortunately in this "game" millions of people get murdered. Doesn't that concern you at all?

    I'd be interested to see if you still feel the same once the Noahide Laws are implemented across the world, but under those laws I'll likely be in a detention camp or murdered because I am not Jewish. If you are not Jewish you should be concerned.

  57. bluetortilla

    I have come to believe in this mystifying state of affairs that it actually the U.S. holding the hoops here. It's convenient for them that it looks the other way around. That's the bargain.

  58. bluetortilla

    That seems to be the catch-all explanation for conflicts these days. I find it to be over-simplified to say the least. Guns and bombs in the hands of fanatics of any kind are what is destructive. When people blame religion, it seems to me they don't really understand the monster of nationalism and the geopolitical struggles that are caused not by religion per se, but are justified by its corruption.

  59. bluetortilla

    One cannot help but feel compassion for Israel, if you agree with the conclusion that the U.S. will boot Israel out when it no longer serves America's purpose or is more trouble than its worth. It is sad too that many Israelis (and Christians) have been brainwashed by the myth that the land of Israel is now theirs again because it was promised to them by God. Of course we cannot change the colonial history that led to the creation of modern Israel, but we do have to live with the consequences of a tiny state bristling with nuclear weapons (thanks to American policy) and surrounded by enemies in the most volatile part of the world.
    Many grumble and say that Israel manipulates the U.S. but I argue that is the hard rightists in the U.S. that shape much of Israeli policy and that even the most notorious of Israel's rightists were shaped by the soft domination of a imperial benefactor combined with the agonizing memories of history, resulting in an extremely powerful yet tiny nation being run by paranoid leaders.
    Both the people of the U.S. and the people of Israel want the peace process to move forward. What will happen when the U.S. abandons Israel with its weapons? The prospect is far more terrifying for the Israel people than it is for Americans.
    I do believe that Israel can achieve recognition and co-existence with its neighbors, but it will take a great leap of faith for the U.S. to begin extending good will toward Arab states, and it will take decades before Israel can ever be trusted by its neighbors. From the way things have gone so far, the future looks pretty sad and unfair for all in the region.

  60. anna miller

    The Abrahamic religions, Judaism, it's offspring, Christianity, and the grandchild, Islam, are to blame for much of our world's problems. The 3 Abrahamic religions all believe in end times mentality. They are all exlusionary.One must be: chosen/saved or redeemed. All three are highly patriarchal. Most of us have been sub-conciously programmed with Abrahamic religion.before the age of 7. Even those who conciously reject Abrahamic religions, behave out of this sub-concious programming/culture. I am chosen, saved or redeemed, and I will kill you, if I must, over the pleasure of agreement. The Abrahamic religions all share a psychopathic god, thus a psychopathic culture.

  61. anna miller

    Blue Tortilla, your statement:" I argue that is the hard rightists in the U.S. that shape much of Israeli policy" Who are these
    "hard rightists" of whom you speak? neocons? Did you know many neocons are Jews? And that a growing number of people serving in government posts have dual citizenships with Israel?

  62. bluetortilla

    Oh go on! This is really getting to be an old rub. Look at religions in history and you'll see no discernible differences in the role of the state and its association and sanction from different religions. Tell me one war in our history when this was not the case (and if there is a constant in history, it is war).
    By this argument that Abrahamic religion is 'different' than other religions you argue that Westerners and Islamic peoples who practice this faith are somehow different as well than other peoples of the world and you single them out for social control. This anti-Abraham attack contains a gross distortion of facts in my opinion and a dangerous precedent for repression (and just for a disclaimer no, I am not a believer of any religion). If it is the 'religion itself' that is causing the violence and not the statesmen who risk geopolitical instability for their own ends, then we would have to conclude that since Abrahamic religion is the cause of all this suffering (as opposed to pure power struggles) then we would need to rid ourselves of these religions, wouldn't we? And how in heaven's name (if I am still permitted to use such phrases) would you accomplish that? Burn the churches, mosques, and holy books? Jail the preachers? What do you propose?
    You should look at the directions your arguments are going. Religion is not an independent entity, influencing people's minds externally from without, by its own guidance and volition. It's not alive. To say so is to validate its mythology. it is instead a cultural artifact shaped by history and environment. If religion is used as a weapon, like a sword, it must be wielded by someone (though I hate to think that I just made an NRA argument). It's the human materialistic motives that should be our concern, not the doctrine- there are ten thousand ways to brainwash people.

  63. bluetortilla

    'Anti-semitism'is a dumb, racist misnomer invented by a German nationalist in the 1890's. Why not just say 'anti-Jewish' or better yet 'anti-Israel'? 'Jewish' implies a lot of things- culture, religion, et al. It's almost a completely irrelevant description of race.

  64. bluetortilla

    I'm not even sure what a 'neocon' is? Can't we just stick to 'left, right, liberal, conservative, radical, reactionary'? Unless is the moniker of some group, like NAZI, that is attempting a takeover or drastic changes. Anyway, are you saying that there are a disproportionately large number of Jews in conservative politics? How about WASPs, are they still the majority? Is this a conspiracy, the continuation of the so-called global Jewish conspiracy? Or is it the same good ol' boy banker/baron game from over a hundred years ago? What is the point you are making by saying that large numbers of neocons are Jewish? Who has dual-citizenship and why is it important? Isn't there a huge difference between being an Israeli and an American Jew? Do you have some lists to point me to?
    Hard rightists vis-a-vis Israel? Administrations of Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton (? always a ? with Clinton), and Bush Jr. I'd include Obama and Carter but I don't think of them as hard liners like Reagan, though all the presidents have blood on their hands. Kissinger was Jewish. Whether they're Jewish or not doesn't really matter if Israel blows itself and its neighbors up in a mushroom cloud.

  65. bluetortilla

    I read it and found it interesting. Firstly, it describes pretty typical lobbying. As for propagandizing, one can hardly blame the Jewish people for wanting to protect themselves in the aftermath of the holocaust. Third, it is quite true that atrocities committed by the Israelis against the Palestinians occurred regularly and methodically from the beginning of Israel's existence as a state, as did expansionism (though Israel is still tiny in comparison to it neighbors). Finally, we know a lot more about genocide now, and as a child I admit that we under the impression that the holocaust was the only example of genocide. Now we know that it has occurred throughout history regularly and often with same deadly efficiency as the NAZI genocide during WWII (e.g. the Mongols in Eurasia).
    These are the prominent issues; mostly ones of education. As for lobbyists, I say we criminalize private campaign contributions and use public funding. What's the difference between a lobbyist contribution and a bribe?
    By the way, if you believe that there is a Jewish conspiracy in the United States, you should speak up. I see influence by incidence, not by design. There is a huge difference between the two.

  66. solitairecat64

    There is quite a complex system of deception in place making it challenging to see the root of it. I believe that the key to finding “Mystery Babylon” today is to follow the hexagram. The religion of the hexagram is Satanism and the source of the hexagram is Ancient Egypt/Babylon. It is also called the star of Saturn (misquoted in the King James Bible as Remphan) which the martyr Stephen rebuked the Sanhedrin for and was stoned to death by them (Act 7). The image of the Star of Saturn is derived from the Kabbalah and its Tree of Life. The Synagogue of Satan is made up of Luciferians who claim the Star of Saturn. They are Jews and Gentiles alike. Through their mystical practices, they take orders from Satan - one who can transform himself into an angel of light. It was quite interesting to see NASA’s Cassini pictures of the hexagram on Saturn’s North Pole, with an “eye” inside of it none the less. The reality is stranger than fiction.

    Upon closer examination, you can see that there is a thread that is sewn through false religions and governments around the world. False religions include Judaism, Kabbalism, Freemasonry, Catholicism, Mormonism, Theosophy, the Bahá'í Faith, Zionism, etc. While Israel has adopted the pagan symbol on their flag, other countries have it present in their government buildings like in Washington DC. With this in mind, and based on Rev. 17 we can see the following:

    1. The Beast = Satan, who controls the global world system. He is the puppet master.

    2. The woman who rides the beast = Jerusalem, since they have been worshiping the beast since their days in ancient Babylon and Egypt. (see Isa. 1:21)

    3. The waters that the great whore sitteth upon = the apostate church and all false systems of faith.

    4. The great city that will reign over the world in the Last Days = Jerusalem, along with its many puppets (all having one mind). It is where the interfaith Third Temple will reside, the Vatican will eventually move to, and where Tony Blair once called "home."

    As we move forward more “truth” will be revealed. Pope Francis, a Jesuit, was put in place to bring in a one world religion. Jerusalem is “the great city” that will reign over the world in the last days. The Noahide Laws have been enacted in the US, the Pope has accepted them and they were created by Rabbi’s so they are ready to be implemented throughout the world. The next step is for the satanic powers that be to cause a calamity under the disguise of which they can implement the NWO.

  67. bluetortilla

    I don't take solace in that this is in reply to me, inasmuch this superstitious nonsense has nothing to do with what I'm implying.

  68. bluetortilla

    Anna Miller, people seems to have very strong opinions on this matter but I'm baffled. To me the U.S./Israel alliance is very complicated with far more questions left unanswered than clear.
    I have a question to you though. It seems odd to me that if the Jewish lobby is indeed that powerful then why does the U.S. appear to take a separate and independent foreign policy towards other states in the area? Including supplying them with arms and/or providing aid? A brief look at modern historical relations between the U.S. and Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, et al seems to me to point to unilateral policy-making on the part of the U.S.
    Assisting Israel in arming itself with nuclear weapons has got to be the biggest blunder of all times in international relations, and I still don't understand why it was ever allowed (basically that decision sits with the LBJ administration). I understand that the Israeli lobby is quite strong and U.S. support for Israel (for whatever reason) is quite vocal (they put on a good show), but I still cannot believe that Jewish lobbying has the power that people say (nor do I believe that the Christian right has as much power as people say either).
    So who has the Emperor's ear? I think it goes back to Eisenhower's words; that makes far greater sense to me.

  69. anna miller

    do some research on internet Blue Tortilla, most of this information has been kept from us, because corporate media is owned and controlled, by whom?

  70. bluetortilla

    Yes, thanks, I definitely will. It's a priority. I've ignored the U.S./Israeli role in geopolitics for far too long. I've no idea why given the graveness of the situation. It seems the whole world is turning a fearful blind eye. I concede that many of us have snoozed in the poppy fields on this one due to the lies of non-disclosure by the media you speak. Even here the best documentaries are done by a German production outfit.
    However I think I know where you're going with this and my theory is still that Israel is useful to U.S. strategies and goals and by definitions true to Real Politik is a puppet, and I will look for facts that back up what is to me a more reasonable hypothesis. I realize that the Jewish lobby (we could go on forever over lobbies/briberies) and the influence of Jewish owned media and banking have an influence on policy, but I am not about to indulge in an anathematizing Jewish world conspiracy. That unfounded and irrational paradigm is as practically as old as when the Romans expelled the Jews from Israel and the River Jordan itself. I don't believe that rich Jewish-American barons care about the average Israeli any more than the American WASPs do. They all love power.
    Now, would Jews use their money and power to influence politics? Sure. Would they in fact rule a vast global empire given enough accumulation of power? Again, absolutely. And who in the game of politics would not? But without a doubt they are not on the top of that totem pole. In the U.S., Protestant white guys are.

  71. bluetortilla

    Acgh!, that John Hague is a dangerous psychotic and it is a sign of very scary times indeed that he is invited to speak to the most powerful people in the U.S. government. How can I respond to a madman? All I can say is that a liberal movement is gaining a bit of momentum now in the U.S. and the hope is that deranged people like these simply watch their audiences shrivel. Hope for the best.

    However, Jewish folks know what HIS version of armageddon is and what he thinks will happen to the Jews when Jesus 'comes back' so one would hope that conflict of interest would cause this uneasy alliance to peter out (just decades ago these people hated Jews after all).

    Quick heads up: AT LEAST 98% of Americans are NOT Evangelicals and 'born againers' have a high turnover rate.The numbers are on the side of the sane, if they'd just wake up.

    Your second link led to a debate over Metzitzah B'peh. I don't think this is where you were leading me to. If it is, I hardly see how its any big deal at all.
    Nevertheless, watching this I'd say that Americans (and perhaps Europeans, I'm not sure) have a perhaps well-meaning but very annoying habit of imposing their morality over others in the world. You know the old saw- take the smote out of your own eye...and American society has an excessively large tree trunk embedded in its eye.

  72. bluetortilla

    Actually, you're just blowing smoke, and you've avoided all of my questions. I've been looking for some answers here, and only made a fool of myself. I've rambled on about things I don't know much about, and I've embarrassed myself enough.
    Your opinions (as far as you're willing to reveal them) in my view are intolerant and sensationalist. The political situation with the U.S., Israel, Palestine, and the Greater Middle East is far more complicated and multi-faceted that you'd ever care to admit. Religion is in the brew, but that's not what the pot of trouble boils down to.

  73. solitairecat64

    Coming from someone who appears to believe the propaganda the media is feeding us your statements about "superstitious nonsense" is meaningless. The fact that you still believe anything you hear about the Jews in Israel is a testament to your naivety.

    The documentary Peace Propaganda and The Promised Land provides solid evidence of the Jewish conspiracy that you chose to deny the existence of. We have been fed lies from this group for over a century even before the holocaust but certainly the holocaust story itself is mostly lies woven together with some truth. If you really want to be enlightened the first step is to admit that all mainstream media is feeding you propaganda to control you.

  74. bluetortilla

    i do not deny that ethnic cleansing (the predecessor to genocide) is being practiced in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. Yet you deny the German genocide of the (mostly) East European Jews. Don't you find the denial of either of these facts horrifying?
    I do not, and never have, believed in what mass media has told me about anything. My agenda is solely for peace in a world ruled by empire and realpolitik. I don't differentiate this crisis from others in the world except for one huge fact- Israel possess many nuclear weapons.
    The difference between you and me is that you believe in an evil Star of Saturn and I do not. I follow political science and you follow dark historical sorcery. I am much more fact-orientated and agnostic than you.

  75. Eusi Lopez

    tell mhat else is in store for AMERICA "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through...all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

    I Deal In Facts ~~~~~ Former Senator William Fulbright, in the 1970s, and former senior CIA official Victor Marchetti, in the 1980s, contended that AIPAC should have registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) requires those who receive funds or act on behalf of a foreign government to register as a foreign agent. However, AIPAC states that the organization is a registered American lobbying group, funded by private donations, and maintains it receives "no financial assistance" from Israel or any other foreign group.

    In 2006, Representative Betty McCollum (DFL) of Minnesota demanded an apology from AIPAC, claiming an AIPAC representative had described her vote against the Palestinian Anti-Terrorism Act of 2006 as "support for terrorists." McCollum stated that AIPAC representatives would not be allowed in her office until she received a written apology for the comment. AIPAC disputed McCollum's claim, and McCollum has since declared the incident over.
    Steiner resignation

    In 1992, AIPAC president David Steiner was forced to resign after he was recorded boasting about his political influence in obtaining aid for Israel. Steiner also claimed that he had met with (then Bush U.S. Secretary of State) Jim Baker and I cut a deal with him. I got, besides the $3 billion, you know they're looking for the Jewish votes, and I'll tell him whatever he wants to hear ... Besides the $10 billion in loan guarantees which was a fabulous thing, $3 billion in foreign, in military aid, and I got almost a billion dollars in other goodies that people don't even know about.

    Steiner also claimed to be "negotiating" with the incoming Clinton administration over who Clinton would appoint as Secretary of State and Secretary of the National Security Agency. Steiner stated that AIPAC had "a dozen people in [the Clinton] campaign, in the headquarters... in Little Rock, and they're all going to get big jobs."

    NY real estate developer Haim Katz told The Washington Times that he taped the conversation because "as someone Jewish, I am concerned when a small group has a disproportionate power. I think that hurts everyone, including Jews. If David Steiner wants to talk about the incredible, disproportionate clout AIPAC has, the public should know about it."

  76. Eusi Lopez

    To Me All Opinion Counts I like to read ignorance or people whom choose not to see because they don't like the truth, because it does not conform with the mental picture and dreams of fantasy they hold; well welcome to the real world it is what it is you cant change it don't urinate on my leg and tell me is raining change it and we can America Love it or Leave It and yes if you Love Israel more than my Country This United States of America You Are the One Whom needs to get on the HWY

  77. over the edge

    stop abusing the cap lock, stop with the telling others to "shut up" stop telling others to "kill themselves" and finally stop preaching with the repeated " Holy Jesus" this is your one and only warning

  78. AmericanwithaBrain

    To point out that Israel is a wealthy country that is receiving more US aid than any other country is promoting a Jewish conspiracy theory... how? If you dispute these facts, please do so. Just don't waltz in with a straw man Jewish conspiracy theory document.

  79. bluetortilla

    It would be sad indeed if a neo-international Jewish conspiracy emerges from the situation in the Middle East. And once people adopt such ridiculous mindsets, no amount of evidence to the contrary will persuade them otherwise. Documentaries like these frankly do not help. Lobbies serve as front organizations that only appear to be the main influencers of policy. Lobbies 'want' you to think that their efforts are influencing policy as pervasively as they are. You would be wrong to think that AIPAC is the reason for US support of Israel or even that is an organization that represents only Jews. It is far more complicated than that; there is much much more happening behind the scenes.
    We need to start by separating Israel the nation-state from Jews as group of people (if that's what they are- I really doubt the solidarity that is assumed of Jews is anywhere near as strong as people think). Next we have to consider U.S. interests and behavior in the whole Middle East region and beyond when evaluating U.S.-Israeli relations. The tail is not wagging the dog folks.

  80. Silas

    BlueTortilla you are rather active here in the comments section. I can see you replying to almost as everyone.

    For someone unaware, it would seem you might have more information and study besides rhetoric, about what the people that filmed and edited this material made it to in the first place. I mean, people are here to watch the doc because they are curious about it someway, before coming here to click play. Sometimes they feel like giving their 2 cents of what they understand about the subject.

    For what I read so far on your replies, you act as a spiritual or intellectual guide and feel an urge to enlight these poor souls into the realm of literacy regarding the subject.

    I have some theories so far.

    1- you must be someone who was involved in the film production and did not like the steering of its content

    2- you are training your debate/troll technics

    I would never accuse you of being jew or of practicing jewish advocacy.

  81. Howard Milstein

    The end of the documentary sets the stage for all the geo-political issues that have taken place between Israel, the U.S and all the jewish /israeli lobbies since the formation of the israeli/american relationship or "bond" if you will. Wilkerson stated emphatically "a war over Irans nukes would be a huge mistake". He is right that America should not be involved but FOR THE WRONG REASONS !! Israel most likely can tear them open alone...thereby saving the eventual chaos that Hezzbollah would put forth on the USA FiRST!!! Before they could even could or would try anything with Israel. Till this day america and Americas lawmakers do not understand the arab, Muslims or indeed the Middle East at all!!
    America is the BIGGEST satan to these people... So in a similar situation to Iraq in 1981, Israel is doing Ametica a favor... And this they and most Americans are to intellectually void to understand!

    Whatever one thinks of the power and influence aipac and other jewish lobbies have on America ; be it good, bad or indifferent (or over represented for that matter) Cheney and Bush get it; the two countries indeed share most of the same interests. When those INTERESTS change, if indeed they do, you will see a weakening of the jewish lobbies "so called" domination of Americas foreign policy; not to mention the aid Israel recieves from America... Which by the way America gets back in SPADES in almost every way in which we live our lives in this country

  82. bluetortilla

    Spoken like a true American. D:

    Walk softly and keep the bomb bays loaded.

    I wonder when American armchair analysts will ever learn that A: they are NOT the center of the universe but B: they ARE the center of world empire. You cannot try to rule the world through intimidation and go unnoticed.

  83. bluetortilla

    No, you got me all wrong. I am a sincere person faithful, as I can be, to my principles. I don't care that much about 'me.' I would like to see a better world, at the very least a survivable one for our species.
    One should never feign ignorance to protect another's feelings, nor should they change their 'writing style' or whatever to seem less affectatious. Debate is a pallor game done for amusement, while war is an abomination that murders innocent people. War is a cancer that must, if we are to survive and prosper as a species, be excised out forever. I for one will speak out against it until the day I die.
    Couldn't you agree with that?

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