Beneath The Veil

Beneath The Veil

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Dispatches: Beneath The VeilAn anonymous woman, covered from head to toe in a blue burka, is dragged across a football pitch and shot in front of 30,000 spectators. This haunting image of Taliban justice was filmed secretly in Channel 4's award-winning documentary Beneath the Veil broadcast in June 2001. The woman was Zarmina, 35-year-old mother of seven. In a new Dispatches film, Lifting the Veil, Carla Garapedian went to Afghanistan to discover her story and see whether women's lives have improved since the fall of the Taliban.

After a secret trial, Zarmina was jailed with her six-month-old twins. They were confined to one room for three years. She confessed that her husband, Alozai, had discovered she had committed adultery saying: 'He said, "Tomorrow I will go to the Taliban and they will stone you to death." That night I was afraid. I hit him over the head with a mallet.'

Money could have saved Zarmina's life. The final Supreme Court ruling stated that her life would have been spared if she paid 10,000 dirhams ($8,000 dollars) to her seven children for the loss of their father. But she had no money. Under Taliban law, Zarmina was judged by her own children. Children often participated in Taliban justice and witnessed executions. Alozai's brother brought the couple's children to court. Zarmina's mother says: 'They were always beating the children to say their mother had killed.'

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Cybil Peril
Cybil Peril
6 years ago

Very unfortunate. Today I discovered on news that Theresa May, Brit PM has described Islam "As poisonous faith of perverted Islam". World must realise that current Islamic practice is incompatible with modern society globally. Muslims must stop claiming their Islam ways in host lands or else, stay in their own cocoons. It must be said explicitly to Muslims.

Persiandolly
Persiandolly
7 years ago

I'm an afghan and I know that living in America is a best thing ever... I'm glad that I'm in a country were I don't feel a big threat. Many of you may think differently about afghans or Islam in general but let me tell you that my religion is not close to being bad. Islam is a religion with peace. We want peace that's all. But for some uneducated people we are "terriost" or a big threat smh. It breaks my heart how my religion is hated upon some people. All that matters to me is that I know my religion is a beautiful peace wanting religion. No in the Quran it doesn't say "Kill people and destroy mankind" it says not to harm one because that means you are destroying all of mankind. This is a nice video and my heart goes out to them. But don't say anything about Islam if you are not fully educated.

BigTim
BigTim
8 years ago

Has "documentary" been withdrawn from this and other sites because people are beginning to see it as propaganda?

Abdus Samad
Abdus Samad
8 years ago

Documentary doesn't exist.....!!!!

Porcino
Porcino
9 years ago

This documentary is interesting also by the things that aren't said. The argument of religion versus atheism is a non argument when it comes to man's ability to become a murderer. It is easily done as man is easily led. Ipen says there is no way he would attend the execution. I don't believe that for a moment. Given remarkable sequences of events and where you are placed in those events, you are capable of unspeakable acts. This is because we are animals and not enlightened, not wise and certainly not compassionate. Greed and power drives us all to one extent or another and the need to belong will have your mind working to place you in a position where you firstly need to survive. Once you have done this, you will want to succeed and advance and there you go. Your alternative is death and I hardly think that many will opt for that. Don't kid yourself that you are not capable of doing it. Citizens from most countries in the world have carried out atrocities in times of war. The difference is that for these people there is no such thing as atrocities, just necessities of survival. When we stop seeing others as our brothers and sisters, we become ripe fruit for the picking, I don't care who you are or who you think you are. God just doesn't come into it. Be true to yourself and have your own mind, care for those you don't know nor understand and try to resist being part of the pack. If there is a better way, I've yet to see it.

lpen7
lpen7
10 years ago

Like everyone else I was appalled and heartsick! It's all so very tragic on so many levels. I also have a question: How did they get 30,000 average Afghan citizens to go to the Internationally constructed arena to witness an execution? Perhaps they were tricked one time but this happened more than once. Unless I CONDONED it there is NO WAY you could convince me to ATTEND an execution, regardless what other sporting event may happen! I make no real judgment, I simply ponder the question.

CanadianOne
CanadianOne
10 years ago

Warped Sick S*it. The whole lot of them need to come into awareness and humanitarian way of life, already.

Gina Correa
Gina Correa
11 years ago

I feel physically sick after watching this. The Taliban are some warped motherfu**ers.

Melissa Saenz-Lopata
Melissa Saenz-Lopata
11 years ago

Whether we like it or not, the Taliban is part of the West's legacy. The U.S. government and the CIA encouraged extremist Muslim groups to come to Afgahnistan, funded the Taliban, trained the Taliban to take over and continue to work with them and fund the to this day. Many public U.S. officials including Hillary Clinton and Ron Paul have admitted that we are to blame for the direction of that country. This seems to be the usual outcome when the U.S. intervenes in a country whether it is to abuse it to gain a military, political or corporate advantage or to loot it for it's precious oil or other natural Products.

This political restructuring of the Middle East, is part of a policy of militaristic imperialism that the American and British ruling circles have been engaged in for several centuries. What is happening now with the Taliban was put in place knowingly or unknowingly by the U.S and CIA.

chiangraiken
chiangraiken
11 years ago

I admire Carla Garapedian's courage for going in to the hyena den and risking her life to make this moving documentary. Throughout, her voice was measured - never shrill or breaking. Remarkable. None of Afghanistan's ancient glory exists today. The landscape is as dry and unforgiving as the mindset of its cruel and paranoid Taliban. Another example of how religious zealotry can pollute the mind and bring out the worst in its adherents.

N
N
12 years ago

The definition of evil is ignorance and relgion ( all religion ).

Siti Shyakina Mokhsein
Siti Shyakina Mokhsein
12 years ago

using religion as a way to justify murder is absolutely heinous. These Talibans are purely terrorists, not Muslims at all.

hayla101
hayla101
12 years ago

Nobody seems to be doing anything productive to help our fellow humans. all we do is potray there primitiveness and how horrible they are. They are monsterous(the taliban, the ones that kill the innocent) but we need to stop focusing on the hatred and make a move towards a positive action towards change in Afghanistan. Getting everyone to hate them will only make people more un-willing so it seems. Has anyone done anything productive? even after all the news on tv and documentaries about violence in afganistan. instead we should do something and fill people with hope and ideas of a positive change for the better, to help give these poor people their right to live, every person should have that right

hayla101
hayla101
12 years ago

These Talibans are hiding behind a religion to get away with mass murder. they claim they are muslims but in no way or form are they. they promote what we are against. in no book or teachings of islam do they mention us muslims having to have ridiculous and outrageous laws like these. people need to be more willing to really look behind the headlines and do their research before making claims and accusations.
But that is not what is most important in this documentary. Im so appreciative of everything i have im even appreciative that im writing this comment right now. I dont think other countries should ignore this. i think countries should get involved. if we leave to fend for themselves they have no hope. the people are slowly dying out and its sickining to watch.
they are not going to change any time soon, they have a primitive way of life that has been rooted in their mind that doesnt make them change over-night.
I am just a 16 year old muslim girl, i dont claim to know everything this is just my view

Manoj Panda
Manoj Panda
12 years ago

killing innocents is not justice or bringing peace or unity to the country.. liked the way its shown..but made me very much sad to know all this..

mac
mac
12 years ago

How do we judge this talibans are bad. what about this so called western civilization responsible for killing millions in the name of christian belief. In U.S.A they killed more than 14 million indians in the past 500 years and still they are the victims living in the reservations with unemployment more than 85% with suicide rate at the rate 4 to 7 every week. What's happening to the native Australians every day? Americans atrocity in Afghanistan and Iraq. Stop this nonsense trying to portray Talibans are the evils. Before coming to any judgement please watch documentary Trudell and The canary effect, this will open your eyes.

sillyhead
sillyhead
12 years ago

I am having such a hard time understanding how a country gains from keeping its people primitive? Keeping people poor. It just blows my mind that in this day & age there are people living like this. Unreal. Somewhere, Someone is gaining from this chaos....somehow.

Just to think, we have cute little clothes & jewellery for our treasured pets and to know there are women & children on the streets is heart breaking.

timi
timi
12 years ago

This documentary is important for everyone to view. Of course it is hard to see--but the Taliban are awful--awful isn't the correct adjective- Ruthless extremely evil men who want to control everyone. Too many people have their heads in fairytale land of never-never land ethos and are playing games instead of learning about current events not watching the news as to what is really happening. The abuses of many people in our lives seem to be nonexistent for many who are trying to keep with their own lives as hard as it may seem--- but many have nothing to compare to the atrocities that have been committed to many people in third world countries. Bad things happen everywhere to alot of people--it happens possibly because they are ill -informed or just don't realize what's occurring under our noses. Our rights slowly erode because of the few extremely rich that control the masses. This documentary is an eye opening realistic example of what people shouldn't have to experience. People have to watch the news, read and relearn history so we will be able to stop horrible catastrophe from starting. Wake up everyone before it is too late!!

John Cury
John Cury
12 years ago

My god, reading the comments here, I am astonished at the illiteracy and stupidity of most people. Thanks to people like THIS we have these problems in the world. Next time please educate yourself at least on the subject then make comments.

knowledgeizpower
knowledgeizpower
12 years ago

This Doc watching it really really pissed me off. I'm glad I'm not from a culture like this ohhh they would have killed me no doubt, I could not live in these circumstances, i probably would be a bitter woman a Man HATER to the fullest. I'm reallly bad with holding grudges for abuse like how these women experienced. And the little kids eating moldy bread that lady had seven kids and she can't work! In a america you get ripped on so hard for having alot of children and a single mother and do not work. These people encourage that just so the mothers and her children starve. I think men like that power s*** to keep you down and controlled. Women don't do it! Have you ever been with a man that doesn't want you to work and stay at home then you have alot of kids now he takes good care of you right. But you have to do what he says and if he leaves you what do you have NOTHING, unless you marry some wealthy man or something how many wealthy men do you know or have married. From what i see most people with money sign pre-nups any way. Don't buy into that crap you better have your own income on the side just in case or you and you're kids will struggle. This is the Worst case of struggling for a women and their children I have ever seen. This doc i won't view again f*** it thats the way I feel after watching this shit.

Cathy Adams
Cathy Adams
12 years ago

This documentary isn't about HATE, it's about making the world aware of the atrocities being brought apon the Afgan ppls, and the horrors they have to endure. Women forced to feed moldy bread to their starving children, not allowed to work, not allowed basic human rights. Hospitals destroyed, homes torn and blown apart....and all I read here is how this brave woman is promoting hate, most of you are missing the point....she is asking for ppl to CARE!!!!!!

Nada Ali
Nada Ali
12 years ago

I watched the documentary , and I was abhorred by the injustice and the tyranny being portrayed. I don't think the reporter meant to say this is what Islam does to people , this injust , cruel , women abuser religion. After all there are women "ROWA" those who were feminists and fought for basic rights. Islam doesn't prevent women from working , teaching , or medical care. It's the extremists . The Taliban is no different than the KKK , they both killed for control and because the other party is a different ethnic group.

Acire5
Acire5
13 years ago

What is the purpose of the Taliban? After watching this documentary, that is the question I ask myself. Women aren't the only ones being oppressed, it is men and children also. I wonder if we weren't there at the moment how better would it be? They put forth rules that are required by everyday people to follow ,but yet they do not follow the same set of rules that, the everyday person must. Why is this?

I understand that many countries have a set of rules regarding adultery,fornication,murder and etc...So if you live in these few countries that stone,hang,shoot for the punishment of certain crimes. Why then is it always a women or young girl punished more often then the men who carried out similar crimes or acted out with a women to commit adultery,fornication.
Women are dealt with more harshly then men, because in some of these countries,women are less then livestock. If you are to punish for crimes then the punishment should be carried out for all who commits crimes.

It seems that groups like the Taliban,Al-Qaeda are not fighting for their peoples right, but for total control. This documentary shows just that, if they were there for the needs of people. They wouldn't murder husbands,fathers, because by murdering husbands and fathers they are destroying the entire family. After they have been killed, their wives can not sustain a family without an income, so women and children starve. Under the rule of the Taliban women can not work. So we are back at the beginning of my comment What is the purpose of the Taliban?

Barbara
Barbara
13 years ago

I cannot believe how this discussion went. So much name calling and whose country is better. What we seem was a woman murdered for committing adultery. My question is what happens to a man if he is accused of adultery? Several people made the comment that she should be killed because she knew the law. I have heard that a man can accuse his wife of adultery and buy off some of his friends to say they slept with her too and the one one punished is the woman. In that part of the world if a woman is raped, she is punished not the man how raped her. Yes women's right have been slow to come to other countries but we do have them. It took a lot of brave women standing up for their rights. I think we should bring all our soldiers home and let these people kill themselves off. We need to reduce world population.

Vilewoman
Vilewoman
13 years ago

Wow, started reading the comments and got about halfway through when I realized this was a documentary meant to promote hate. Simple enough.

I only have a few comments to comment on, as I got annoyed about half way through.
The woman in the video killed her husband to keep herself from being stoned to death for adultery. So, the question automatically comes up, who's right, who's wrong, what your religious views are and where in the world you live.
All are the wrong ways to look at something. Murder is murder no matter what you look at it. Killing someone for cheating is a part of their VERY OLD culture. A people who have lived with the same laws for thousands of years don't change overnight, through force or because another culture disagrees with them. They change on their own and through their own progress. Period.

As to the Native American who stated "I will never forget the day the Mayflower sailed" You weren't alive then.

As to the woman who said "Women need more power" I call bull. You need to learn to use the power you have now to make this world EQUAL!
I am a female Native American who lives in Europe with a husband who comes from a much different culture than I do. We have a 50/50 relationship. We each do our part to make our lives work and live in the world. Women now a days are trying to take over the world, men did this 5,000 years ago and one gender ruling anything DOESN'T WORK. There are two genders on this planet, not one.

Making documentaries based in hatred only keeps us further from what should be our goal. Equality, human rights and understanding.
Stop blaming religion, region or gender and learn we are all human, no matter what way you look at it.

L.Walker
L.Walker
13 years ago

take 'god' out of the picture and see man's humanity to man for the atrocity that it is. we create the world that we live in, and do not receive it from 'god'. it is ourselves that we have to change to live in a peaceful world.

islam means peace? christians are christ-like? that's like nutella calling itself a 'hazelnut spread'. we all know what's up.

mary
mary
13 years ago

Those stupid, misguided men ! they dont know how to respect & enjoy the beauty of their own womenfolk.. .. they are so driven by allah & the 52 virgins promised them. they cant see the beauty of life on earth right here on earth.. if her husband claimed she commited adultery, well then it is between the 2 of them..she was prob beat everyday.& worse .& also he may have lied about the adultry .sure she shouldnt have killed him but she knew she was to be stoned because of what her husband was about to tell the taliban, she was scared out of her mind, ! she knew her fate & that she wouldnt be believed

soffy
soffy
13 years ago

Thank you for doing a good job of showing us how things are going on there..it is sad that taliban is doing all this.These countries talk all about muslim of living and all but what there are doing to the ppl of they country, shame on them...it is not what they say is law and order, I wonder if yo get all of then in line and just shot them will be much better or what to do to help the little girl and mothers who need all the help from these freaks who rape and kill for fun..the other thing is when the minister talked abotu build them a plce to to kill the ppl who had sex with others or just want to kill ppl then i think who ever build the place for soccer should build a place just to kill these asswholes...my prayrs goes to all are hurting..

bob singh
bob singh
13 years ago

islam 101

ProudinUS
ProudinUS
13 years ago

@Tina

what did you mean we are causing atrosities to our own people?...I tell you what, you show me one and I will feed them and give them some clothes.The next day at 5:00AM I will wake them up with some breakfast and go job hunting.(Repeat every single day until accomplished....There problem solved

Indivisuals create there way of life(not gov.) I'm tired of perfectly healthy people who blame their financial problems on others..US..plenty of jobs..Unemployment rate is just a polite term for people who think they are to good for certain jobs...Gov. can't put some majic pill in people and give them a little ambishin to get off their lazy a$$es and make a decent life for them selves..So,most just take the easy way and collect wellfare that comes out of working people wallets such as myself! I've been working fulltime since I was fifteen and I am now 41 and have never gone without a job.I make decent money and have been puting some a way for retirement since my early twenties.I've never blamed any one when I go through some low finance trouble every now and then but I keep my head up and go to work mon.-fri. just like everyone else.

Atrosities?...NO
laziness/complaining....Ah,Yah

ProudinUS
ProudinUS
13 years ago

@Tina

Well if my nation and yours is messing up the world why don't you put a demorolizing sheet over your head and move to F$%^ing Afghanistan.Will see how much of your dumb*** logic makes sense.Go on, get the f%ck out!

I am extremelly proud of my nation.You like your freedom,I'm sure.Your just one of those that want it without a price.Islam is a very violent "cult" that messed up our soil.

Yes ,I think you'll do just fine over there.At least their men will keep you silent!

Tina
Tina
13 years ago

Sorry last thing to Proudinus

You make me sick!!!! Greatest Nation on the planet? Christian? think you need to go back to school and start learning some shit sweetheart!! Your comments are far from Christian and your nation along with mine is messing this world up, at least I can feel better that the impact the UK make will be that much lesser than the US... For that I may be able to sleep at night but you? What's the point in asking the question your just going to throw your toys out of the pram and resort to good old name calling, you are all the same.

Tina
Tina
13 years ago

To proudinus

I love my country (uk) but I am not proud (and neither should you) even I believe its simply a playground for politicians. You say we have freedom of speech but do we really, stand on the side of a street and start raising eyes about your government and if you put up enough of a threat I am positive something will be done..... look at Julian Assange for example, convenient don't you think that a few days after the recent leaks he then became most wanted.

We live under this umbrella of safety ( a media hyped safety) and its bullshit. Our governments f--k us up, this recent "recession" has left millions homeless and out of work and its due to irresponsible lending and bloody gambling with our countries money. These people should be taken to task.. I am anti west (I live here because for the moment I have to), America and the UK have their fingers in ever god damn pie because greed and "democracy" is what runs our countries.

The 9-11 chat you have been having with Grey area makes me laugh, Of course the powers that be were behind that, its great for the economy and gave a great excuse to go invade a Nation that has a big stockpile of oil, especially when we are about to run out. Of course they had something to do with it, the West always do.. Don't be so naive!!! The same kind of comments came from another one of you American bright sparks when I recently went to LA. "Your from Britain, f--k you for BP!!" how many more of you Americans have a brain that works like that. Open your eyes and look at our shit first.

How dare anyone have anything to say about anyone else's countries when ours is far from safe, is far from justified and is far from fair.

This has nothing to do with the documentary, which was very good by the way. I am simply sick of all westerners thinking their way or the highway and not even given a thought to the nasty under the table shit going on here.

Tina
Tina
13 years ago

When the Western World is causing so many atrocities to its own people I do not think we are in a position to condemn any other country or regime.

Politics and religion are the two evils in this world and it is because of them and the constant strains put on hard working and good people that we have the world we do today.

It is disgusting that we could sit back and allow people to be murdered or indeed sit back and allow people to be made homeless but we do everyday. We allow our children to eat "fake" food, to invest in "fake" economy, to be literally taken the piss out of for personal gain.

Individual people are not evil, the system is. We accept our side of the system everyday (western) and we do not seem to complain about it too much but watch how other countries do it and we are baying for blood.

I am of the belief that every country has a lot to do in order to bring their countries up to scratch, lets concern ourselves with sorting out our own and bringing that under control before we dive head first into someone else's.

khan
khan
13 years ago

To the person who made this documentry.

Yes you made a very good documentry and a lot of peoples said that you did a good job and so i am saying you did a good job. you need to understand Islam before you say some thing about islam i am not toward the Taliban as i dnt know them but the only one thing i know that in Islam commetting adultary after you are married you will be punished stone to death, so if the women who is shot dead if she has commetted adultary and it is proven then she should die because it is the law of Allah but unfortunately you your self dnt even look muslim and you dnt know about Islamic system you also joined those who are against Allah and his message you will get your answer on the day of judjment when you face Allah.

ProudinUS
ProudinUS
13 years ago

I happen to live in a country where we have the military force to protect our standard of living.If some terrorist come here and throws a wrench in our way of life we have every right to go into the country they are inhabiting and return the favor 5 fold.

The reason for the hatered in some muslim countries for us is because of jeolousy and religion.We can't let terrorist groups get away with acts like 9-11 because then every tom,dick and harry will think we are to sympathetic and weak and they will use this to their advantage.

Many races and religions live in the US. and most islamic people say" This is not islam as I live".Then they turn around and say give us a chance.That's all good and fine,but you have to understand the fear in the American people.You hear stories all the time about terrists getting caught with bombs trying to board our planes in the media (which is where a lot of fear comes from).Our society is not used to this unsureness nor should we tolerate it!

Like I said America is made of many different cultures and have the right to be proud of it.But when it all comes down to it they live here and need to be loyal to the US and be thanful that we live in one hell of a great nation.

doctim11
doctim11
13 years ago

Fundamentalism is a danger in all religions but in Islam it is a danger to the world. Muslim commenters claim this is not Islam but in fact it is and it requires Muslims to acknowledge it instead of claiming it doesn't exist or is just misunderstood and condemn it.

over the edge
over the edge
13 years ago

@proudinUS
you have too much hate inside you. you say that you
"let things be what they are in government." as to divorce yourself from the negative actions of your government and then hold the average Afghan responsible for the actions of theirs. you claim the Afghans hid the Taliban but they were in charge. if you meant they hid bin laden then you are ignoring the fact that the Taliban offered to hand him over if the US would provide proof of his involvement in 9-11 . then you claim the rights to Afghanistans resources as payment for 9-11. then by your logic the US should pay for the reconstruction of Iraq seeing as the reasons for going were all lies. I am not anti-American as you will probably claim. My statements are only meant to try to hold the US accountable for their actions as they hold the rest of the world to. you also claim "that hates us because of our way of living" and you ignore the fact that these terrorists were your allies not too long ago and only when they were no longer useful did the US turn their back on them at that point i kind of understand their anger (not their actions tho 9-11 and killing innocents are always unjustified )

ProudinUS
ProudinUS
13 years ago

WOW,do you really dislike America this much? Look I know there might be some dirty politics in government.But it doesn't affect my freedom,freedom of speech,stanard of living,religious preferance or my ability to express my views.
As for forgetting about 9-11 that will never happen in the US nor should it.WE are the greatist nation on the planet and considered a christian .That's why we are hated.Not because of some "Redneck"as you call it.
Some people will always find fault with our country in one form or another.Other ,such as myself, don't dwell on the negative and let things be what they are in government.I thank God every morning I was brought up in a country where you have rights"The good Ol' USA".
I do have compassion for other cultures to an extent.But it's hard to find simpathy for those that hate so much.
Merry Christmas.

grey area
grey area
13 years ago

well first thinh is the government is corrupt so if they wer hidiing them its cuz ther corrupt, so like i said get rid of the govt i think we can both agree on that right. 9-11 ...get over it alredy how many years has it been? its cost more than even highest sums were thought it would . did you forget the economy crisis? thats all cuz of this pointless war. so if ur so gung ho how come ure not over ther clippin afghani kids then huh rambo? no heart? coward? or should i call you rosie then? your comment is half right but the other half is rednek blabber that wat makes the world hate america smart guy.. i mean rosie i mean rambo . if the u.s govt wernt such jaka$$es theyd feed all the starving kids at home instead of trillions on 'war on terror' where is bin laden? oh yah thats right hes in the george bush protection program , ther both probably smoking cigars in cuba right now

ProudinUS
ProudinUS
13 years ago

@grey area
Let me quess,your gay.Am I right Rosey O'Donnel?
I guess 9-11 didn't mean nothing to you.I quess we should
drop our purses and forgive,right.And they are hiding them monkey.If someone is in your back yard without permission and you don't do nothing about it wouldn't that make you a coward? Oh wait, I almost forgot who I was talking to.So tell me Rosie what would you do?
The fact that they knew they were their and didn't do nothing or tell anyone is the same as hiding them.So what I'm trying to say Rosie grey is be thankful your aloud to be who you are in a country where you can practice your "sexuality" and not have to look over your shoulder.
What exactly was wrong with the commet I made Rosie?
I'm just frank and to the point.Wait let me quess,your one of those people who feel sorry for those starving kids on the commercials that are from a different country, right? You feel more sorry for them, then the little starving kids you got in your own country.
Well,anyway coward,rosie whoever you are,I send my kisses and hugs.

grey area
grey area
13 years ago

@proudinUS
the only one who needs the a$$ kicking is you. let me guess...your an inbred hillbilly who shoots up a junk heap in his backyard and drinks himself to sleep every night in his trailer and says 'we dont like yer kind round here' to everyone whos not a redneck like yourself right? they dont harbor taliban you jaka$$ the taliban took over, the everyday person over there hates the taliban . get rid of the government and the country will be free from those talibany jerks. george bush jr.s like yourself should walk off a cliff

ProudinUS
ProudinUS
13 years ago

1.Our troops go over and get deserving justice for
9-11.
2.Liberate Afghanistan from the Taliban regime who
hides behind their religion.
3.Make sure every taliban is brought to justice.
4.make sure we stay in country and make them pay back
every dam cent it cost to rebuild our towers.
5.Take 1/3 of oil for them hiding Taliban.
6.Nah! take 1/2
7.Take ALL oppium. (for medical purposes of course)
8.Stay out of bussiness of what ever they do to their
women(don't care)
9.Send videos of us kicking their a$$ to rest of the
muslim world so nothing like 9-11 ever happens
again.
10.wake up and start all over if needed.

Im proud of OUR men and women overthere.These talibash,,
telegas,,, teleport, ah, hell who cares.The only reason these punks are getting so much attention is because of the media.I say we bomb,take what they owe,and leave the dessert to the snakes.
We dont have to understand a dam thing about a country who's hiding the trash that thrashed our soil.You left winged punks who say we should tolerate and embrace a culture that hates us because of our way of living can kiss my a$$.

PS.There's no compassion felt for those people who do self inflicking sh%t.

Kris
Kris
13 years ago

I have received mail accusing me of being Islamophobic - I would have thought my first made it clear I am not. To be phobic (i.e. fearful or hating) of anything you must, by definition, have strong feelings about that subject. In my previous post I made it clear I do not hate Islam, I just don't care about it. It means nothing to me. It plays absolutely no part in my life, nor do I want it to, nor will I allow it to. I will not read the Koran to "educate" myself on the subject, I will not learn or use all the Arabic phrases or abbreviations that seem increasingly common.
As I said previously get all our troops out of Afghanistan - their situation and their future haven nothing to do with us. What the Afghans choose to do with their country and how they do it is none of my business - let's run our own affairs and leave them to theirs.

TomatoTom
TomatoTom
13 years ago

It is amazing that even after watching the documentary that people could argue instead of thinking what they could do to better understand other people. This is about families, neighbours and friends being terrorized. Put down your politics and blinders. Step into their shoes for a moment as a human being. or are you a human being?

Jack
Jack
13 years ago

No matter who you are and what you believe, take a moment to stop and THINK how we are lucky to voice our own opinions, right or wrong. Be honest with yourself, we were lucky to be born into this world of safety. To be born in a world of civil war and then Taliban is a nightmare. Count your blessings.

atif
atif
13 years ago

Afghanistan was under soviet rule during 1979-89. The US supported the Afghan Mujahideen to overthrow the soviets and by the grace of god , it happened. But after the soviets left the region , even america like a scary cat left the region. This was because the leaders of the Afghan mujahideen were educated people from outside afghanistan who were mostly foreigners like arabs , chechens , european muslims etc.and they would in turn establish a modern islamic state which america never wanted. Then this led to a chaotic civil war by mad warlords due to lack of a centralised govt. and they inflicted huge damage on the afghan people from 1990-95. They use to kill many people who opposed them. They raped hundreds of muslim women and did horrible things to them like the serbs of the balkans. Then all of a sudden , a new man rose to the seen - Mullah Mohammad Omar. He started a small movement against these warlords to get rid of them and there tyranny. Fortunately, many locals and foot soldiers of the Afghan mujahideen supported this cause under the banner called "Taliban" meaning "Students" in pashtun language. By god's grace , they conquered whole of Afghanistan and got rid of the warlords from afghan mainland and cornered them to noth-eastern state of Badakhshan. America , happy by the change of events ordered three muslim countries Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and UAE to accept the Taliban regime.
But, during this Taliban regime, complete peace was established under the unitary rule of Taliban. There were no murders,no rapes, no poppy cultivation as per the islamic laws. This scared the west as it got alarmed to see the achievements of the illitrate Taliban. It was something the western capitalism couldn't achieve. Moreover , the Taliban didn't let america lay oil pipelines from central asia which america couldn't tolerate. So, america planned and did 9/11 all by itself to invade afghanistan. And , it invaded with the help of the old brutal Afghan warlords (Northern Alliance) multiplying civilian atrocities.

As far as killing of the women is considered , muslims only kill those who practice rape , prostitution which is not at all wrong. And the whole of the muslim world accepts it.
The west created a small groups of modernists and imposed their modernist view on the whole of muslim world.

ThisVideoLIAR
ThisVideoLIAR
13 years ago

Quran does not state that a man may beat his wife... Islam is a religion of peace...

A wife has as many rights as her husband...even a wife can divorce her husband if he does not make her satisfied in the bed!

Please do not be blind followers. Read the Quran as a book and see this for yourself rather than rely on propaganda.

saalam

Noona
Noona
13 years ago

No God could permit such things to happen, therefore I believe that there is no God, only evil people and those who suffer because of them. We are on our own.

Kris
Kris
13 years ago

What annoys me most is the Western sense of guilt and feeling we MUST accommodate the mad mullahs and their medieval ideas. I keep being told to read the Koran before I pass any comment. No thank you. Islam has NO place in my life, nor do I want it to have nor will I let it have. When people preach at me about what is happening in Afghanistan or Iraq or wherever, thet seem incapable of understanding the simple fact that I don't care - Ilam is of no importance or interest to me nor will I allow it to be so.
The UK is no longer a major or imperial power and we should stop behaving like one. We have absolutely no business in Afghanistan and that appalling and barbarous country is not worth one British life or one drop of british blood.
Read my limps - I don't care - let us run the UK not the world.