Islam: What the West Needs to Know

Islam: What the West Needs to Know

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Islam: What the West Needs to KnowThis documentary sets out to investigate the notion that Islam is a religion of peace and explore the widely circulated idea that those who commit violent acts in the name of Islam are a fanatic few. The filmmakers try to hold Islam's own sources to the light to make the controversial claim that the religion is actually driven by a violent, expansionary ideology that seeks to conquer any contradictory religion, culture, and, ultimately, government.

This film is by far the most interesting presentation of Islam that I have yet to see. I recommend viewers be fully awake before attempting to watch it, as some amount of concentration is required to reap the full benefits of this documentary.

Packed with direct quotes from the Koran and other reliable sources, along with compelling visuals and tasteful interviews, it will challenge even the experts. Is violence built into the Muslim ideology?

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Mark38175
Mark38175
12 years ago

I found this very informative. I knew nothing about Islam and will investigate the views that were presented. If what has been said is true; then this documentary should be seen by everyone.

Ronak Alinejad
Ronak Alinejad
12 years ago

I am a well educated woman, not a follower of any Abrahamic religion. And I have studied all these three religions for years. After listening to the whole documentary very carefully, I have one conclusion to share with you:
Every era, every historical time, has its shrinked minds who spread nonsens and untruth in the name of objective facts and Truth. They know how to put every single word, every event, every proposition out of its theological, linguistique, cultural, political and geografical context and reduce everything to one single factor, which in this case they call it "Islam".

You have this kind of people througout history, everywhere, in all cultures and in all religions. Be aware of the false claims and halfs truths they try to spread. Be critical of what they call their sources. Because I asure you what you hear here is for a very great deal only twisted facts and twisted truth.

These "commentators" are driven by a blind hate. Some of them should go and take a very good look at their own history and the history of their own faiths.

Maha Deva
Maha Deva
12 years ago

islam is no better or worse then any of the abrahamic religions sorry to say. its oppressive towards women, its totalitarian and it has a vision of global supremacy. Anyone who thinks that jews or christians dont have blood on their hands or in their holy books dont know their god from their a--holes and sure as hell do not know the history of their faith...i hate how this documetary trys to state all these "evils" of islam without mentioning that the other two abrahamic religions are just as bad and in a lot of ways worse lol.

Syed Muhammad
Syed Muhammad
13 years ago

how anybody can expect, respect for Muhammad from such people who don't care about their own prophet

Memento Mori
Memento Mori
13 years ago

Is it really that hard to just stop fighting?
Are any of these goofy stories really worth dying for?
Is it really worth someones life and possible soul to be fighting over who's got the better main character?
Are we really so stupid that we kill each other by the millions over books?
Does the average individual really give a damn about what someone else around him believes?

Um...wake up.
If you want the fighting to stop, then stop fighting.
How you go about this is your own business.
We are not seperate groups, we are one very big group stuck with a few different personalities but we're also stuck on this rock together.

"Us vs Them" and Violence are primitive and barbaric ways of thinking and acting, they divide us and create strife because if no ones getting along then we're all suffering from our own short-comings.

Its 2011, if every person on the planet woke up tomorrow and realized that none we fight about is really worth fighting about and we should work together, there would be nothing we couldn't accomplish, we would become the kings of this age. We as a species have the capacity for so much good if we could only stop focusing on the petty and insignificant differences between us.

Stop thinking in terms that separate us.
The concept of different races of human is only an illusion, its a title, not a state of being. It doesn't matter if you call yourself Japanese, American, German, Polish, English, Welsh or Arabic, you're all Human Beings and are equally entitled to rights and freedom and everyone could have that if we could just work together.

debbye
debbye
13 years ago

“Live Simply That Others May Simply Live” – Mahatma Gandhi

veronica
veronica
13 years ago

I have just finished to watch the documenary and I am shocked.
There is a part of me who still doesn't want to believe that it could be true that a jihad against infidels is on. We prefer to call it terrorism but what they say about the Quran and the hadith, and the concepts of El Taquia, houbna and jakilia simply make me feel thinking. Honestly, I think what they say in the documentary is true but before reaching a final conclusion, I will read the Quran and collect information.

Sin nombre
Sin nombre
13 years ago

Another poor soul looking for a way to get taught in the school of hard heads. I will stop and because you and your lost friends will never understand. So Vlatko I have a proper education and a job. I have an education from two countries and i'm sad to say the one they provide in america dose not suffice. So re-educate yourself my friend. Till next time Peace be upon your poor souls

sin nombre
sin nombre
13 years ago

Here are some verses in the Quran and Hadith about Equal rights

"And when the news of (the birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark, and he is filled with inward grief! He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that whereof he has been informed. Shall he keep her with dishonor or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision."
(An-Nahl 16:58-59)

The rights of Muslim women were given to us by Allah (SWT), who is All-Compassionate, All-Merciful, All-Just, All-Unbiased, All-Knowing and Most Wise. These rights, which were granted to women more than 1400 years ago, and were taught by the perfect example of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW), were given by the one Who created us and Who alone knows what rights are best for our female natures. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran:

"O You who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at time of marriage) you have given them, unless they commit open illegal sexual intercourse. And live with them honorably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah brings
through it a great deal of good." (An-Nisa 4:19)

Islam considers a woman to be equal to a man as a human being and as his partner in this life. Women have been created with a soul of the same nature as man’s. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran:

"O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife (Eve), and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever and All-Watcher over you." (Al-Nisa 4:1)

And in the words of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW),

"Assuredly, women are the twin halves of men." (Sahih reported by Abu-Dawud (RA)

Islam does not blame Eve alone for the First Sin. The Quran makes it very clear that both Adam and Eve were tempted, that they both sinned and were both forgiven after their repentance. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran:

"Then Satan whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts (before); he said: "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save you should become angels or become of the immortals." And he (Satan) swore by Allah to them both (saying): "Verily, I am one of the sincere well-wishers for you both." So he mislead them with deception. Then when they tasted of the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifest to them and they began to stick together the leaves of Paradise over themselves (in order to cover their shame). And their Lord called out to them (saying): "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you: Verily, Satan is an open enemy unto you?" They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers." (Allah) said: "Get down, one of you an enemy to the other (i.e. Adam, Eve, and Satan, etc.). On earth will be a dwelling-place for you and an enjoyment, - for a time." He said: "Therein you shall live, and therein you shall die, and from it you shall be brought out (i.e. resurrected)."(Al-A’raf 7:20-25)

in first Timothy 2:14 the bibles states that it was Eve who's to blame for being deceived not Adam. You see Islam is a way of life that has evidence. If you read you will find

sin nombre
sin nombre
13 years ago

Poor brother antagonist is just lost. His education is just limited, he's just studying from the school of FOX and CNN. Antagonist You never read the Qu'ran nor the hadith so you will never understand our Prophet(and i do mean your and my Prophet) Because he's your prophet to. You may not believe in Muhammad but he's much your's as he is mine. What about the prophet Lot who got both his daughters pregnant. antagonist did you know that women have no equal rights in the bible, here are some leads if you still don't believe
New Testament:

1 Timothy 2:11-14 - "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

1 Corinthians 14:34 - "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

1 Corinthians 11: 3 - Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

There are many other verses in the bible that tells man they have a higher authority over woman, Yet there are many verses in the Quran that saids otherwise. So go out get the Quran and have some time out with your lord.

Mad
Mad
13 years ago

Read the English translation of the Quran and tell me you still believe this phony Zionist propaganda

Antogonist
Antogonist
13 years ago

@sin nombre you have converted to islam from being a catholic right, did it not strike you as odd that the prophet mohammad likes to f*ck little kids, how can he be from god he can only be from satan or just a warlord making up the rules to suit himself, you have been told a lot of lies friend you have to save yourself from they devils. maybe u just like them cos u hate the whites, i guess i might if i was black or whatever and join the stronger enemy of them. Join back to the good side lad.

Sin nombre
Sin nombre
13 years ago

There is no hate towards jew in the Qu'ran. If you can find me a verse in the qu'ran (not in from the internet) but from the book itself. Then you are right. But till then akhi (brother) peace b upon you

Antogonist
Antogonist
13 years ago

@Sin nombre I have felt sympathy for palestine before I learned that Islam preach hate about the Jews in the Koran and even if palestine belonged to the Jews you would still hate them. I actually like the 3rd reich but I know when to let go of something when it is just stupid. The Jews might be intolerable people but Islam wants to conquer the world and has no tolerance for anyone, this may be bourne out of anger but everything in the Koran seems to be angry anyway. You should have stayed catholic, I don't believe the bible but jesus was crucified, I'm going to look into gnostic christianity because apparently jesus may have went to another dimension, they believe there is a world here on earth which we cant see but thats all I know. The roman catholics killed them all but their writings were found not so long ago, I may read them. Peace be Upon you.

Sin nombre
Sin nombre
13 years ago

Because it's not? they take land that were the palestinians and kill people for the sake of nothing. England and the united states gave them some of the land. But human greed let them take more and more. Every one sees this happening and are seeing that Israel should not be there. Look brother i was once a kuffar and was on the side of the kuffar, born a roman catholic and left it once i became a communist back in my fathers land of Colombia. but now i see that for every little thing has it's purpose including the "OCCUPATION". Just like how the europeans took over and coloniZed the north, central and south america. It's funny how the jews that ran away from the "OCCUPATION" are doing the same tactics that were done to them on the palestinians. From what i am reading you have a one point of view in knowledge. Like again as i said before, i feel pity for you Peace be upon you (If you know what that means).

Antogonist
Antogonist
13 years ago

@sin nombre I don't even need to reply to that lol you might believe what you just said but come on you might as well just say that the moslems have already colonised mars. Brainwashed isnt the word, I can think of a few insults for you but I'll let you be, I'm only a kuffar in the company of other moslems, at other times I'm your fake friend. So tell me one thing why do all arab countries not allow Israel to be a country?

sin nombre
sin nombre
13 years ago

i feel bad for those like you Antagonist, do yourself a favor and read a book. I think that you are brain washed by the christian and west propaganda on us muslims. No one here said any thing about Israel (no One) but you. our past is a past of rich education, we had scholars from all parts of the known world teaching each other every thing, and they were not only Muslims. from math, science, physiology, calligraphy, astrology just to name a few and we gave that to the poor white europeans. Who in that time were living is squalor and dying from diseases, We were asked to come and help them by the christians and the jews to fight off a barbaric tribe that would have wiped out all of the known christian and jewish world in europa. Muslims (not Moslem another propaganda word that has been brain washed to poor lost souls like yourself) did not force themselves into europa like the jewish have in palestine or the zionists because true jews know that they do not have a holy land this was written in the books of moses . Killing more and more Muslims daily and have no right to live in occupied lands, i have no hate just pity over those who don't understand. It' is not in my way of living to hate other that are not Muslims or have a different point of view. It's sad you would say such things to someone who you never met nor ever hung out with. In the word of every jew and muslim "Peace be upon you"

Antogonist
Antogonist
13 years ago

@Sin nombre is that you admitting to terrorist activities lol, well the west has moved on from they days but it wasnt all one sided. it sounds to me you have been fed a lot of propaganda by the Moslem religion, there is an agenda which is very simple in islam and that is to try and make the whole world Islamic, they are well entrenched within our society so why not use this opportunity to fulful the wishes of the prophet. Radical Islam has almost zero to do with Israel and the United States, this is merely an excuse used by moslems to get the sympaphy vote and to make people from the west take pity and not realise that you are not angry because of what the west has done at any point in the past but you are angry because your religion teaches it and demands it. Tell me what are the sins of the west when you consider that Palestine was at one time Christian but the turkish moslems took it from us in the past, they were our enemies in the first world war and we took it back. Just so happened the jews had nowhere to stay and have as much right as christians, jews or moslems to be there so why cant the moslem world accept it and concede palestine to the jews. It's because you are taught anti-semitism as part of the Koran. All this bile you spit out is within you. The jews donts deserve to be treated this way. You have loads of land so be happy with it. If you are greedy and hateful it was sowe your own destruction. Cant wait until that day when Islam will be confined too the past. I include christianity in there, they are all lies. Jesus was resurrected though so thats Islam wrong straight away. Watch the real face of jesus when science meets religion. Do yourself and all the moslems you know and stop follwing an evil false religion. I feel sorry for you man.

Sin nombre
Sin nombre
13 years ago

@ antAgonist, i'm sorry that people like you forgot that christianity came to the so called new world killing, stealing, raping and wiping out whole nations language, faith, culture in the name of jesus. If we during the times of the crusade and the conquistador had CNN, MSNBC or Fox we would have called (well i think everyone would have called) the christians terrorists. Look at how many countries in the past have been effected by the christian onslaught of their "HOLY CRUSADE". Muslims are attacking because of many years of persecution, but if you had any common sense, you would tell yourself. "How can any one sneak bombs, or in that case make bombs without being caught by the government". Nothing can't pass the technology we have today only unless they have an agenda to accomplish, meaning the government and their schemes they plot

Antogonist
Antogonist
13 years ago

@sin nombre more muslim lies, you people think we are stupid that is your problem, im guessing you havnt seen the evidence from undercover mosque. Your propaganda is null and void you parasite.

sin nombre
sin nombre
13 years ago

This documentary was one of the worst films i've ever seen in all times, these men are taking the word of OUR lord and making it as if the lord of the Qu'ran did not order prophets in the bible to go out and kill those that did not follow the same as Lord of the bible and the torah. The problem with people is they stopped reading when they finish school and read nonsense like the news paper and watch television. We as a whole have to stop letting the media, and these so called scholars who are not Muslims define what the Qu'ran says. It's like having a person who don't believe in any religion, faith, or way of life explain to us what Our lord have to tell us in our books. It is as though we wish to start world war III through ignorance like they did with the other first two wars.

Agustin
Agustin
13 years ago

@Hhumanist, I share your take on this documentary. What about the Bible? Does it also contain passages condoning violence? I have never read it, because I find it insufferable, but the matter is worth investigating.

From a personal point of view, the Christian crusades are over. It is 2011 and Islam still insists on Jihad.

Antogonist
Antogonist
13 years ago

@dean watch undercover mosque before you come out with garbage statements like that, open your eyes no one cares about your stupid ideas

deanxxx
deanxxx
13 years ago

It's an interesting video but ultimately it fails because it lacks balance (an alternative point of view in defense of the Koran) and does little to place the selected verses in context. I ended up learning quite allot but from one point of view, which is never healthy.

If I want to know about the Koran (which I do on a purely academic level and as I have many Muslim friends) I will consult many sources as one should with EVERY topic.

BTW, I'm an atheist, a fierce critic of religion (I like Hitchens and Dawkins) and someone who does not try to win the approval of my religious friends (I only choose moderates as friends regardless of ideology held) therefore, I'm not making an apology for the Koran or any other 'sacred' text, I just require high standards when it comes to journalism. On this basis, the film fails.

Your comments please...

rb
rb
13 years ago

you all people keep arguing who's right or wrong
why???
it is because religions...!!
it is very simple to see the proof that all religions are wrong because they divide people and they try to kill each other, even a 7 year old kid know that this is wrong.

xock
xock
13 years ago

ALL religions are garbage, think for yourself, and not by some god. Bravo to Jade for winning every single argument.

Epicurus
Epicurus
13 years ago

@gustavo....would you like you buy some swamp land in florida?

Gustavo
Gustavo
13 years ago

Dear Everybody,

When did Mohammed resurrected? For as long and detailed as the Quran is I did not see the chapter where Mohammed came back to live and preached anywhere. Sorry.

JESUS was the only one that resurrected and is the only way to eternal life. Goodnight.

Pyrrhus
Pyrrhus
13 years ago

Though I am not a theist, I feel that neither religions nor faith-based epistemologies in general serve as the basis of the real problem. The real problem is MEN.

Jade
Jade
13 years ago

Isn't it amazing that ALL terrorists and Islamic apologists 'misunderstand' Islam in EXACTLY the same way as these people? 15,000 Islamic terror attacks since 911, almost all use Islamic texts and teachings to justify their actions.

This has to be the most AMAZING coincedence ever. Don't they know that Islam is a Religion of Peace? Haven't they read the memo?

Ibn Sina
Ibn Sina
13 years ago

Nothing by pure garbage.

The whole documentary can be readily refuted and rejected, and the deceit in it can be easily exposed, only by doing a couple of hours of research on internet about every point that was brought up against Islam.

Immortal
Immortal
13 years ago

It is a shame that religious fundamentalism is seen as more of a virtue then being fundamentally sensible.

Nick R
Nick R
13 years ago

EJ,

Sorry for the late reply, ive been busy reading up on the Muslims women getting sentenced to death for no reason whatsoever.

Listen, did Mohammad marry a 6 year old and then have sex with her when she was 9. If so then he is a pedophile. Did he behead 800 jews, if so he is a war lord, serial killer.

Your religion was founded on blood. The only good Muslim is one who has a relaxed, weak intepretation of the Koran.

I saw a pitcure today from a big Mosque here in Australia. Celebrating your Eid ul adha (funny you must slaughter animals to express any joy) Anyway, all the men were packed in and around the Mosque while the women packed into side allies with the rubbish bins. Even your women are to scared or stupid to realise you treat them as slaves.

Chris
Chris
13 years ago

This is an excellent and very interesting documentary. Definitely worth watching. At first I though't it would be a documentary done by westerners who are attacking Islam. However this documentary is told by former muslim fundamentalists who tell first hand how they were indoctrinated from small. Very good film. Also recommend another film called "Islam Rising, A Call to One World".

Jade
Jade
13 years ago

btw. I am a male. I am a political science graduate. I have read the Quran in its entirety more than once, I have spent 12 years living in a predominantly Islamic part of Bosnia and have a keen interest in islamic history. If anything, the documentary could have been more critical had there not been time constraints.

Jade
Jade
13 years ago

EJ, you're missing the point. Christianity may be the worst evil the world has ever seen, but any atrocities committed by Christians DO NOT EXCUSE the DOCTRINES of the Quran. Which is the topic of this discussion. Muslims almost always (when out of arguments) resort to slandering Christianity as if this is supposed to somehow have bearing on violence in the name of Islam. Stick to the argument, Islam, not Christianity.

Besides, most of the horrific crimes and human rights abuses we see in the Islamic world are directly commanded by the Quran. Crimes committed by Christians are done so despite the teaching of Jesus. This is why cartoons of Jesus and books critical of Christianity do not result in fatwas against authors and the burning of embassies. This is why there has been 15,000 Jihad attacks since 9/11 and why Muslims need to be constantly appeased so as not to hurt their feelings. Well I got news for you, western civilisation is built on freedom of speech, freedom of religion, equality of men and women, the seperation of church and state, equality of all people and basic rights afforded to all, regarless of what they believe. Islam seeks to murder apostates, critics, unbeleivers are taxed, women can be beaten as per the commands of the Quran, men can marry 4 women, criticism is outlawed, religious intolerance is mandated etc. etc. etc.

This is incopatible with western notions of human rights and a society that seeks to disable tyranny.

This isn't just different to the Islamic socio-political world view, it's better. And if muslims wish to live in western countries where such virtues are enjoyed, then they'd better get used to it. That means cartoons of muhhamed or whoever else we see fit to draw, that means pork in your kids school despite your objections, that means no Sharia courts or any legal system parralel to the prevelant one, that means respect and tolerence for all religions or lack thereof.

But that's not what we see either, we see more muslim advocacy groups fighting 'islamophobia' rather than concentrating their efforts on fighting the supremacist ideology which leads to terror, subjegation and a backward, barbaric system of governence.

Jade
Jade
13 years ago

EJ,

The context of all of the controversial verses that call for subjegation of the unbelevers, that cann unbeleivers the worst of creatures, deem women half as worthy as men, deem Christians and Jews unfit for friendship with Muslims and the loist goes on is there for everyone to see. The entire Quran is further elaborated by the Sira and Hadith, all interpreted by Islam's greatest scholars. All agree that the verses mean exactly what they say.

Whitewashing it and pretending like it's taken out of context is either an example of taqqiya or ignorance. All it would take is one Islamic scholar to debate Spencer and humiliate him, but all have declined so far. Because he reports it like it is, the clerics, the imams, the grand ayotolah among hundreds of thousands of devout Muslims agree that Islam is here to dominate. That it seeks to subjegate unbeleivers, women until all religion is for Allah. Denying this may work with the layman who assumes that religion is a personal matter and buys the religion of peace rhetoric. Islam is anything but, it is a supremacist political system and it's doctrines are there for all to see.

EJ
EJ
13 years ago

Past or present an atrocity is an atrocity... And you seem to be missing my point. All those things that you see on TV, are they the same things you see in our Holy books/what our Holy prophet said we should do? My point is very simple, don't judge Islam based on people's practice be they good or bad. Do your own fact finding, it'll probably give you a better understanding. True that adultery is punishable by death, but does a woman commit adultery on her own? No, so why is she the only party sentenced to death? Well mate, this is a question that puzzles me as much as it puzzles you but one thing I can say for certain is that if she is the only person being punished then it is UNISLAMIC.

When you say no other religion does what fundamentalist Muslims do it makes me question where you were when all this hype about priest taking advantage of children, was occurring? Or when the Israelis are constantly oppressing the Palestinians and mind you this has been on for almost 50yrs now.

Nick R
Nick R
13 years ago

Sure, I don't disagree that every religion has a dirty history, nor are they perfect today (im not a religious chap). But today, and I am only referring to the present, Islam is truely the source of some atrocious stuff. I notice you refer to how the the Koran is the exact same to thousands of years ago. I think that sums up the entire predictament. You have a whole bunch of extreme, fundamentalist, strict - whatever - Muslims who want to implement a thousand year old religious system. It is this incompatibility to the 21st century that is the root of many of the issues. Personally i think we should give you guys what you want - in a sense. Muslims want a Islamic super state. I would love to kick all the trouble making Muslims out of Australia and send them back to Lebanon or Iraq or Afghanistan etc and they can live in thier 7th century fantasy world. But my friend, in the 21st century we respect human rights - we dont stone women to death or exucute them as pregame entertainment at a soccor match..No other religions are doing what fundamentalist Muslims are doing....

EJ
EJ
13 years ago

@ Nick R

If that is the case, then how should one see Christianity based on what the christian Serbs did to Muslims in Bosnia? Violent right? How should one consider Christianity based on the crusade? Violent? Intolerant? How should one consider Christianity based on some of the atrocious acts missionaries perpetrated against indigenous tribes in Africa, Australia and the other places? Oppressive? I wouldn't be surprised if you are unaware of some of these things because of the kind of media today. That's why I'm going to say to you what I said to Jade "I urge you to read extensively and make conclusions based on your own findings and not the findings of others."
I don not base my judgment based on what I see individuals do or say (which seems to be the case with you , if I read your comments right). People are inconsistent in their belief and practices therefore will always find a way to justify their actions (e.g extremists). But religion (particularly Islam) is absolutely consistent with what is revealed in the Quran. What was revealed in it a thousand yrs ago is still what you will find in it today. On the other hand peoples' practice and interpretations of the religion are subject to change but that in no way alters what was originally said by the Quran. that's the reason why I urged jade to read for herself and now I also urge u to read for yourself and see if your life experiences on Islam are in any way related to what the Quran teaches.

Nick R
Nick R
13 years ago

@ EJ

What made this documentary so disturbing for me is that so many of the points made so much sense of what we see each and every day around the world. If you consider this film by itself then sure you might say it is biased. But unless you have been living with your head up your arse for the past decade we see these things all over the place. Look at England, France, Netherlands, anywhere you like really. Are you even considering personal experience. Maybe Jade's comments are based on alot more than this single documentary. Islam is not peaceful religion, it shows no tolerance towards other religions - i was in Indonesia christmas eve 2000 when 29 bombs across 13 cities targeted Christian churches. And any good muslim i know is very relaxed about their relgion. After 12 years in Indoneisa - largest Muslim population in the world - and i do not know a single decent strict Muslim. They all root goats. Islam doesnt have a leg to stand on mate. You dont need this or any other documentary to know that - just look out at the world any thats all you need.

EJ
EJ
13 years ago

@ JADE

You seem to be someone who takes very keen notice to detail, and as a result u were right when u said the verses are followed to the tee. I therefore urge u to take a look for yourself at these verses (from the Quran it self), read the verses before and after them (if possible read the whole chapter) and see if the verses have a different meaning from what they mean when u hear it from a hate spewing documentary of this nature. The world today is full of biased and crippling info. It would be suicidal to allow yourself to be convinced by a single source or point of view. I urge you to read extensively and make conclusions based on your own findings and not the findings of others.

Thanks.

Jade
Jade
13 years ago

There is a difference though, because the Koran's hundreds of passages are followed to a tee by it's proponents and are said to be eternal, binding and unchangable.

We will not see a reformation of Islam until all these passages are thrown out. But then it will not be Islam. To follow the example of the prophet as described by Allah is to be a sexual deviant, a tyrrant, a murderer, a supremacist, a pedophile and the lost of catchy names goes on.

Jade
Jade
13 years ago

Why can't muslim apologists stick to the topic? The topic is supremacist, violent and intolerant passages in the Koran. The topic is NOT Christianity, Judaism or other religions.

Defending Islam by pointing out that Christianity also killed people hardly qualifies as a defense.

Christianity may be the worst evil to ever surface in the history of the world, but that's not the topic.

fenix
fenix
13 years ago

Essalamualeykum-which means peace be with you, people look around you...time has come that we forget how we practice our faith, the important thing is to try to keep our faith which is in danger! People forgot how to love each other, how to respect. Be tolerant! Enough Blood!!! Just care to translate the arabic words we muslims use, and you people of faith will understand it's the words you use! People see what they want to see, its easier to blame religion than to blame politicians and people wanting money. Peace be with you!

Nick R
Nick R
13 years ago

Hass,

You make a very correct point that no religion has a clean slate - which is why i am not fond of any of them. But to make your point you went back in history again. Your right; every relgion has a filthy past of violence and destruction. But i am talking about now, today,and more worrying - tomorrow. Everywhere i turn these days is a story if Islam and an example of how so so many are not interested in getting along with us non-Muslims.

I am interested in your statement that you are a proud Muslim and a proud yank (im Aussie) I think that is great, but this documentary claims that to be a such a Muslim you a not very strict and follow a loose interetation of the Koran.

I got no problem with Islam as long as in Australia they respect our culture and do not even think of asking us for Sharia law - which they have already done...but it wont happen.
Cheers

HASS
HASS
13 years ago

Nick-I somehow beleive you when u say that ur not anti muslim eventhough i am still offended when u say ur anti islam( sorry its my beloved religion man!). i guess its like if u were christan( and a proud one) and i say to u i am anti christianity. guess u wont like either ..lol.any way lets get to the point. u state that i am half a century late . ok let's really go back to the PAST!!. i am gana take u back to the christian crusades when the crusaders killed many innocent people ( muslims usually)and it was condoned by the church as a way to go to heaven( sound familiar??) or maybe u prefer to go back to the days when the church was killing astronomers and philosophers for saying the earth was not the centre of the universe. i guess according to ur logic that entitles me to be anti-christan but i am not. i am smarter than that!!. the fact is this nick. every religion has had a violent past all of the them( i am refering to the big 3) has had people within that religion that distorts that faith either out of ignorance or selfbenefit. islam happen to be the last of these religions coming thousands of years after judaism and christianity. maybe it is maturing at its own pace! or maybe not. maybe its just armagadon playing before our own eyes. in which case i happen to think all faiths will just be spectators and watch it playout if it is meant to be ( after all ,all 3 faiths beleive in armagadon one way or the other) lets hope for the best and be smart nick. i am a muslim american and i am as patriotic as anyone. i love this country. but it doensnt mean i have to give up one iota of my pride for my faith our my love for my beloved fellow muslims. peace

Nick R
Nick R
13 years ago

Great point Jade.

Hass - I recognise your point, but when you look at the security environment TODAY, not 50-60 years ago, Islam is the core of the vast majority of concerns. If you want to look at the past i will make that point that communist expansion started most those wars. We crushed that ideology and we will hopefully do the same to the radical elements within Islam. Believe it or not i am not anti Muslim - but i am anti-Islam

This documentary is very well referenced, how can you arguw that it isn't.

You make a good point - shame its half a century past its due date.

Nick R

Jade
Jade
13 years ago

Al of their contentions are clearly referenced and available to anyone who has even a passing interest.

Jade
Jade
13 years ago

The state of Islam is a direct reflection of the teachings of this religion. It stifles development, it abuses women and subjegates non believers. There is no freedom to question authority and apostates are legally murdered. Also criticism of the political system they call Islam is outlawed. What we are left with is muslims lamenting for the days of 700 years ago when Islam was arguably the most advanced of the civilisations.

A society is never trully free until it is allowed to question authority, on the reverse you get tyranny. Which is exactly what we find in states where elements of Sharia are implemented.

The documentary is based on the Koran and the Hadith which clearly call fpr violence and subjegation through hundreds and hundreds of passages. How come so many terror groups and clerics misunderstand the RELIGION OF PEACE in EXACTLY the same way as the scholars in this video? Isn't that a coincedence of coincedences? Or perhaps are we being tricked by western muslioms ashamed of their scriptures and realising that our western notion of human rights and dignities are incompatible with Islamic law and teaching?

I'll take the latter.